Herbert. Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Is anyone watching this? Its disgusting that people can get so fat and cost the NHS thousands just to keep them living in bed filling their faces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Салатные палочки Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 See the young lass at the start eating a big dirty pile of Chinese and a full cheesecake That woman's two daughters are headed the same way. Hard to believe she is only 19!! But it's never their fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert. Posted January 9, 2019 Author Share Posted January 9, 2019 I think the mum has made the daughters that way, I feel sorry for them being worried what they will do once the mum has lost weight and doesn't need them. The mum is a fat bitch that's not only ruined her life but her daughters. If she wanted to loose weight she wouldn't eat as much shit and do some chair exercises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Irufushi Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 43 minutes ago, Tazio said: always makes me laugh that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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@VladMagic Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 There was a really quite disturbing documentary on TV a while back about the worlds fattest ( or one of the worlds fattest) teenagers. Think he was called Billy? He weighed 500 pounds plus and was pretty much house bound. He sat in his bed playing X box all day eating enormous amounts of food whist his mum slowly fed him to his death. What he wanted he got. He was completely spoiled but the disturbing thing was the role his mum played in the whole sorry story. She was his servant doing everything for him. She thought she was helping him but it was her who was slowly killing him.She just couldn't see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 The Royal College of Physicians are, incrementally, trying to medicalise it. The president chucked out a statement about societal factors/genetics and so on and so forth - factors outside the control of the person. Bar an incredibly tiny minority, it is utterly within the control of someone to lose weight. If you eat and exercise like a 10 stone person, you will be 10 stone. If you eat and exercise like a 20 stone person, you will be 20 stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Салатные палочки Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, VladMagic said: There was a really quite disturbing documentary on TV a while back about the worlds fattest ( or one of the worlds fattest) teenagers. Think he was called Billy? He weighed 500 pounds plus and was pretty much house bound. He sat in his bed playing X box all day eating enormous amounts of food whist his mum slowly fed him to his death. What he wanted he got. He was completely spoiled but the disturbing thing was the role his mum played in the whole sorry story. She was his servant doing everything for him. She thought she was helping him but it was her who was slowly killing him.She just couldn't see it. Was he American? I think I have seen him. There was a series about him once on one of the lifestyle channels. One where his Xbox controller broke or the Wi-Fi was down and he was a blubbering mess. His mum went shopping for him every day and when she got back fired four microwave cheeseburgers in for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 24 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: The Royal College of Physicians are, incrementally, trying to medicalise it. The president chucked out a statement about societal factors/genetics and so on and so forth - factors outside the control of the person. Bar an incredibly tiny minority, it is utterly within the control of someone to lose weight. If you eat and exercise like a 10 stone person, you will be 10 stone. If you eat and exercise like a 20 stone person, you will be 20 stone True but there are also strong psychological factors at play as well which can’t be ignored by the medical community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 17 minutes ago, davemclaren said: True but there are also strong psychological factors at play as well which can’t be ignored by the medical community. Nobody is ignoring it. Of course there are strong psychological factors - sickness behaviour/ reward behaviour and so on. The issue I have is the unseemly rush to turn everything into a medical condition, and thus shift responsibility from the individual "I'm not well" so " you have to give me something" cure their over eating with a tablet/pill/operation. The answers to problems are usually simple......... Stop ALL kids leaving school grounds - with healthy calorie restricted school meals being compulsory- no packed lunches / snacks etc Mandatory "morning mile" runs for the kids ( disabilities not withstanding!) Whack tax up on food and ringfence it to make all council sports facilities and sports clubs FREE to use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 26 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Nobody is ignoring it. Of course there are strong psychological factors - sickness behaviour/ reward behaviour and so on. The issue I have is the unseemly rush to turn everything into a medical condition, and thus shift responsibility from the individual "I'm not well" so " you have to give me something" cure their over eating with a tablet/pill/operation. The answers to problems are usually simple......... Stop ALL kids leaving school grounds - with healthy calorie restricted school meals being compulsory- no packed lunches / snacks etc Mandatory "morning mile" runs for the kids ( disabilities not withstanding!) Whack tax up on food and ringfence it to make all council sports facilities and sports clubs FREE to use Certainly some good ideas there though you will hit problems with the more libertarian politicions who would see that as state meddling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Certainly some good ideas there though you will hit problems with the more libertarian politicions who would see that as state meddling. libertarian and politician are two words that are a juxtaposition you cannot be both IMHO. I digress, however. I would see it as preventative health measures to reduce future NHS spending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcc Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 52 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Nobody is ignoring it. Of course there are strong psychological factors - sickness behaviour/ reward behaviour and so on. The issue I have is the unseemly rush to turn everything into a medical condition, and thus shift responsibility from the individual "I'm not well" so " you have to give me something" cure their over eating with a tablet/pill/operation. The answers to problems are usually simple......... Stop ALL kids leaving school grounds - with healthy calorie restricted school meals being compulsory- no packed lunches / snacks etc Mandatory "morning mile" runs for the kids ( disabilities not withstanding!) Whack tax up on food and ringfence it to make all council sports facilities and sports clubs FREE to use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb102 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 54 minutes ago, gjcc said: Is that Merchiston Castle School in the background? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 hours ago, gjcc said: Section N? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@VladMagic Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Salad Fingers said: Was he American? I think I have seen him. There was a series about him once on one of the lifestyle channels. One where his Xbox controller broke or the Wi-Fi was down and he was a blubbering mess. His mum went shopping for him every day and when she got back fired four microwave cheeseburgers in for him. That's the one. She had him on 8 thousand calories a day!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 The mother only has one tooth in her mouth but its like Hollywood white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, VladMagic said: That's the one. She had him on 8 thousand calories a day!! Lightweight. Brian Shaw eats 50% more He's also 6 ft 8 in and trains insanely hard. Edited January 10, 2019 by Stokesy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 38 minutes ago, VladMagic said: That's the one. She had him on 8 thousand calories a day!! That's about the same as a bike rider consumes during the Tour de France. I don't see any fatties there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, doctor jambo said: The Royal College of Physicians are, incrementally, trying to medicalise it. The president chucked out a statement about societal factors/genetics and so on and so forth - factors outside the control of the person. Bar an incredibly tiny minority, it is utterly within the control of someone to lose weight. If you eat and exercise like a 10 stone person, you will be 10 stone. If you eat and exercise like a 20 stone person, you will be 20 stone Basically this. However often I am presented with evidence which would suggest some people are just immune to gaining weight and others.more prone to it. Got a pal who scoffs like a pig, drinks alchohol by the barrel load and doesn't excercise that much yet looks like a 100m sprinter. If I did what he did I would be obese within 3 months. Always thought it would catch up with him but he's been doing it since we were kids and now we are approaching 30 he hadn't changed ? lucky ******* I suppose. Edited January 10, 2019 by AlimOzturk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, AlimOzturk said: Basically this. However often I am presented with evidence which would suggest some people are just immune to gaining weight and others.more prone to it. Got a pal who scoffs like a pig, drinks alchohol by the barrel load and doesn't excercise that much yet looks like a 100m sprinter. If I did what he did I would be obese within 3 months. Always thought it would catch up with him but he's been doing it since we were kids and now we are approaching 30 he hadn't changed ? lucky ******* I suppose. It's a lot more complex than the doctor has claimed Height plays a big factor in it, one of my mates is like yours. His insides must be horrendous to be fair. I'm shorter so putting on any weight is noticeable right away really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 29 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: It's a lot more complex than the doctor has claimed Height plays a big factor in it, one of my mates is like yours. His insides must be horrendous to be fair. I'm shorter so putting on any weight is noticeable right away really. There's obviously going to be some individual variation but the basic principle of calories in Vs calories out is going to be true for the most part. If you want to lose fat monitor what you eat on a daily basis and make adjustments as you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 12 minutes ago, Stokesy said: There's obviously going to be some individual variation but the basic principle of calories in Vs calories out is going to be true for the most part. If you want to lose fat monitor what you eat on a daily basis and make adjustments as you go. Oh aye for the most part the basic maths of it is sound. But there is a lot of psychological and biological factors mixed in there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Stokesy said: Lightweight. Brian Shaw eats 50% more He's also 6 ft 8 in and trains insanely hard. His shites must weigh about a stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@VladMagic Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Genetics has a massive part to play in all this. We can all control our weight upwards and downwards by what we eat exercise and lifestyle habits however our genetic code from parents and grand parents does affect how we and our offspring turn out. What we do with this is up to us. Do we conform to genetics and say "I will be a fat *****" because my parents are "fat *****"? Or will I break that code and live a healthy lifestyle? Choices folks choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftBack Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 10 hours ago, doctor jambo said: Nobody is ignoring it. Of course there are strong psychological factors - sickness behaviour/ reward behaviour and so on. The issue I have is the unseemly rush to turn everything into a medical condition, and thus shift responsibility from the individual "I'm not well" so " you have to give me something" cure their over eating with a tablet/pill/operation. The answers to problems are usually simple......... Stop ALL kids leaving school grounds - with healthy calorie restricted school meals being compulsory- no packed lunches / snacks etc Mandatory "morning mile" runs for the kids ( disabilities not withstanding!) Whack tax up on food and ringfence it to make all council sports facilities and sports clubs FREE to use Agree especially the ban on kids leaving school premises at lunch time. Would have, imo, a massive impact with minimal cost (except for the fast food premises that thrive on the kids business). I work in a small town and at 1pm the centre is of kids/locusts swarming around Gregg's and subway and even home bargains to stock up on sweets and processed crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftBack Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 9 hours ago, davemclaren said: Certainly some good ideas there though you will hit problems with the more libertarian politicions who would see that as state meddling. The state already meddles ie minimum alcohol prices and smoking bans (which I agree with). Obseity is a massive (pun intended) crisis and therefore radical action is needed. Higher prices will just the poorest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, LeftBack said: The state already meddles ie minimum alcohol prices and smoking bans (which I agree with). Obseity is a massive (pun intended) crisis and therefore radical action is needed. Higher prices will just the poorest You could argue that a state ( tax ) funded healthcare system should be more interventionist in preventing illness. Private health care providers probably wouldn’t cover them at all or at an exorbitant cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 11 hours ago, AlphonseCapone said: Oh aye for the most part the basic maths of it is sound. But there is a lot of psychological and biological factors mixed in there too. 12 hours ago, AlphonseCapone said: It's a lot more complex than the doctor has claimed Height plays a big factor in it, one of my mates is like yours. His insides must be horrendous to be fair. I'm shorter so putting on any weight is noticeable right away really. It really isn't. AS you are shorter - you should be lighter, so you should eat less. The difficulty is standardised portions A Whopper meal with fries is the same size for someone 6ft 5 as it is for someone 4 ft 3.. As are bags of crisps/ chocolate bars/ slices of toast or ham sandwiches and so on BMI takes your height into consideration Average calorie recommendations are based on "average"- 5'10 male. If you cannot keep you weight within target- you are eating too much. "but what about athletes/ muscle is denser than fat" - most people who use that argument are not athletes- quite the opposite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert. Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: It really isn't. AS you are shorter - you should be lighter, so you should eat less. The difficulty is standardised portions A Whopper meal with fries is the same size for someone 6ft 5 as it is for someone 4 ft 3.. As are bags of crisps/ chocolate bars/ slices of toast or ham sandwiches and so on BMI takes your height into consideration Average calorie recommendations are based on "average"- 5'10 male. If you cannot keep you weight within target- you are eating too much. "but what about athletes/ muscle is denser than fat" - most people who use that argument are not athletes- quite the opposite BMI is a load of pish it should be banished. For my height its 54kg to 74kg to be healthy, Im broad and stocky so if I was 11 stone I would look unhealthy and malnourished. At my fittest doing half marathons and going to the gym 4 times a week I was still classed as overweight to obese, That's not good for people with issues about weight who base health off a number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 15 minutes ago, Herbert said: BMI is a load of pish it should be banished. For my height its 54kg to 74kg to be healthy, Im broad and stocky so if I was 11 stone I would look unhealthy and malnourished. At my fittest doing half marathons and going to the gym 4 times a week I was still classed as overweight to obese, That's not good for people with issues about weight who base health off a number. someone who is 5'7 and weight 80kg has the same size skeleton as someone who is 5'7 and weighs 50 kg BMI is not really a load of pish- I already pointed out that it does not work for "rugby types " or athletes most of the public are not in that category- BUT - if you stop all your exercise, and remain at the same weight- your BMI will be more of an issue- as it becomes fat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 20 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: someone who is 5'7 and weight 80kg has the same size skeleton as someone who is 5'7 and weighs 50 kg No they don't. Bone thickness varies, as does the shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 16 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: No they don't. Bone thickness varies, as does the shape. not by much it doesn't- hence why Tom Kerridge is now a right skinny bassa, as is NIgela Lawson- they do not develop enormous skeletons when they are fat, Their skinny person skeleton is merely swamped in blubber. Bone density varies throughout your life too dependent on weight/smoking/menopause/exercise levels and so on- fat people have DENSER bones- not BIGGER bones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Modern life. I've an excuse and I'm sticking to it come hell or high water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 5 hours ago, doctor jambo said: It really isn't. AS you are shorter - you should be lighter, so you should eat less. The difficulty is standardised portions A Whopper meal with fries is the same size for someone 6ft 5 as it is for someone 4 ft 3.. As are bags of crisps/ chocolate bars/ slices of toast or ham sandwiches and so on BMI takes your height into consideration Average calorie recommendations are based on "average"- 5'10 male. If you cannot keep you weight within target- you are eating too much. "but what about athletes/ muscle is denser than fat" - most people who use that argument are not athletes- quite the opposite I can't take your post seriously if you are quoting BMI. The major flaw with BMI and your point RE height is that folk at a certain height aren't the same build. There is no standard weight for a specific height. Build and muscle mass matters. I feel like you went to medical school in the 80s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 55 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: I can't take your post seriously if you are quoting BMI. The major flaw with BMI and your point RE height is that folk at a certain height aren't the same build. There is no standard weight for a specific height. Build and muscle mass matters. I feel like you went to medical school in the 80s. Build? Built of what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) For the vast majority BMI is fine to use but you should consider what % of that weight is body fat and where that is being stored. BMI will tell most people what they already know alongside their general fitness and knowledge of what they eat. The issue is that people choose to ignore what they consume or under estimate the impact. Edited January 11, 2019 by Jamboelite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 21 minutes ago, Jamboelite said: For the vast majority BMI is fine to use but you should consider what % of that weight is body fat and where that is being stored. BMI will tell most people what they already know alongside their general fitness and knowledge of what they eat. The issue is that people choose to ignore what they consume or under estimate the impact. one other big thing is people underestimating what they eat. They think say eating a bowl of cornflakes for breakfast is x calories when it is likely to be 3 or more times that due to what is classed as a standard portion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 A bodybuilder and a fatty of the same height may have the same weight and therefor the same BMI. One is pure muscle. The other is 80% lard. BMI is a very poor indicator of obesity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Can we have a personal trainer and a nutritionist debate this, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 I work with a fat guy. He said he put on the weight after moving out of his parents house and having no idea of portion control and how much of stuff he needed to cook. He's about 10 stone overweight though. That excuse might work for the first week tops, but he's clearly just continued making and eating too much because he's a greedy ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Cade said: A bodybuilder and a fatty of the same height may have the same weight and therefor the same BMI. One is pure muscle. The other is 80% lard. BMI is a very poor indicator of obesity. Yes but you are talking about extremes in terms of the comparison. BMI for the majority of people is a good indicator and if you can do that alongside body fat % you wont go far wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 At any height/weight, BMI is a poor indicator. Muscle weighs more than fat. You don't have to go to extreme examples to understand that it's almost medically useless. Body fat % is a far better indicator but calculating that is not easy and requires special equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Anyone remember the league of fattys in Judge Dredd ? The magic ton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lauriesrank Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 14 hours ago, doctor jambo said: not by much it doesn't- hence why Tom Kerridge is now a right skinny bassa, as is NIgela Lawson- they do not develop enormous skeletons when they are fat, Their skinny person skeleton is merely swamped in blubber. Bone density varies throughout your life too dependent on weight/smoking/menopause/exercise levels and so on- fat people have DENSER bones- not BIGGER bones Aye ok, black people have denser bones than whites, fact. And that's before you bring in any other factors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 On 10/01/2019 at 14:51, doctor jambo said: Section N? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 14 hours ago, Cade said: A bodybuilder and a fatty of the same height may have the same weight and therefor the same BMI. One is pure muscle. The other is 80% lard. BMI is a very poor indicator of obesity. The bigger issue is that short fat people can be told that they have a reasonable weight and short lean girls can be told that they are underweight. This leads to unhealthy people being given a clean bill of health and incorrect anorexia diagnoses. Anyone that is 'overweight' due to the amount of time they spend in the gym knows enough to ignore stupid BMI results. People in the other two groups often don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 I do have some sympathy for the people in the show, certainly wouldnt shout and scream at them as being bad people they ain't evil, and it's more than just somebody jyst being a greedy ****er. But real credit to the medical team the surgeon who operated and the psychologist (blonde woman), who spent a lot of time with the family. You could see the change in attitude from the mother and the two daughters once she got outside again. Good luck to them hope they continue down that road . Often these shows are more along the lines of let's laugh and point our finger(we as humans love to look down our noses at others) at the stupid people who appear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb102 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 14 hours ago, Cade said: At any height/weight, BMI is a poor indicator. Muscle weighs more than fat. You don't have to go to extreme examples to understand that it's almost medically useless. Body fat % is a far better indicator but calculating that is not easy and requires special equipment. The best example of that is Rory Underwood being grounded by the RAF as his BMI was too high whilst also playing international rugby for England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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