shaun.lawson Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 15 hours ago, Ministry of Football said: Lot of absolute nonsense on here about some hate campaign against Levein, as if that is the reason supporters question his tenure in charge. It is all about results and competing for trophies, nothing else matters. Our first 10 games saw us top of the league and even played some exceptional football during this period. From time to time we rode our luck, but that is football. Levein deserved all the praise he got. Now however, including cup games, we haven't won in 7 and Levein genuinely seems out of his depth. Injuries have not helped, but it is the managers responsibility to prepare us for all eventualities. We sold Lafferty and did not get Vanachek. Instead Levein himself chose to spend money on Clare and Wighton. I suspect that if we offered all that money for Vanachek, he would be here by now. Levein must be judged on his decisions. My opinion on this is that Levein is a safe pair of hands. If you are happy with that, then fine. If you want to see us win something however, we will probably need something different. Does he deserve to be sacked at this in time? Of course not, that is just rediculous. If we don't get our act together soon or do well in the Scottish Cup... Hearts aren't some charity for constant failure. Everyone manager has a shelf life and Levein has been here for a long time now. I'm my opinion he has to really compete or win something to earn a continuation of employment. Mid table and bottling it in really big games isn't my idea of how Hearts should be setup. When there are managers like Clarke at Killie, performing absolute miracles and competing against the old firm on a tiny budget, we must not accept second best. If and when we do decide on a change, it must also be a clean break. No going upstairs nonsense. I honestly think Levein has earned the right to see how this season pans out, before being fully judged. Great post. 14 hours ago, To Be Frank said: In August 2017, did you know Steve Clarke (who had been out of a job for a year and not employed by anybody else) was a fantastic manager? This is the correct question. At that time, there was nothing in his back catalogue to suggest he'd go on to do what he has. Nothing. He's amazed everyone - albeit, hasn't achieved anything tangible yet. Whether he will? Who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 2 hours ago, EastSideJambo said: Not really Geoff. Both clubs are moving in diametrically differing directions in the table I hope I'm wrong and our fortunes improve starting today. Six points between now and Friday would be most welcome Back to back finishes behind Killie would be tough to justify "Nailed on". My arse! "I hope I'm wrong...". My arse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: "Nailed on". My arse! Kilmarnock were 'nailed on' to finish 2nd at the winter shutdown in 1998/9. They ended up 4th. Below St Johnstone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 14 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said: Kilmarnock were 'nailed on' to finish 2nd at the winter shutdown in 1998/9. They ended up 4th. Below St Johnstone. Quite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deodato Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 On 05/12/2018 at 22:59, magicTs said: In the last calendar year, from the start of December 2017, Steve Clarke's Kilmarnock side have played 36 SPL games: 23 wins 9 draws 4 defeats 78pts out of a possible 108pts. In the same calendar year, since the start of December 2017, Craig Levein's Hearts side have played 39 SPL games: 16 wins 11 draws 12 defeats 59pts out of a possible 117pts. So Kilmarnock despite having played 3 less league games than Hearts have taken NINETEEN points more than us. Clarke is doing an absolutely phenomenal job with a fraction of the resources, far poorer facilities and about a third of the fanbase that Levein has at his disposal. He should have been appointed Hearts manager when Cathro was given the boot, he was the very obvious choice within Scottish football and I have no doubt whatsoever we would be top of the SPL right now and not Kilmarnock. I would love to see what he would be doing with the players we have available and I'm sure he would have brought in some far better than the numerous duds we've again conspired to end up with. Love posts like this. Appreciate the analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboGraham Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 5 hours ago, shaun.lawson said: This is the correct question. At that time, there was nothing in his back catalogue to suggest he'd go on to do what he has. Nothing. He's amazed everyone - albeit, hasn't achieved anything tangible yet. Whether he will? Who knows? Clarke is an unusual one, there is a post quoted by Deodato that says “he (Clarke) was the very obvious choice within Scottish football”. However, in the period since he was released by Villa half the teams in our league changed manager and none appointed him, this included us and of course Killie who eventually appointed him after their second vacancy. There is no doubt he has been an incredible appointment for Kilmarnock. However, I don’t think we should spend too much time lamenting that we didn’t identify a surprisingly inexperienced Clarke (I thought he had more than 2.5 seasons prior to Killie as a boss) as our next manager. At West Brom he had 6 great months, 6 average and 6 poor followed up by a 35% win rate with Reading and dismissed within a year. He is the obvious choice within Scottish football today, his Kilmarnock record confirms this beyond doubt, but let’s not rewrite history and argue that he was the obvious answer staring us in the face both pre and post Cathro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 9 minutes ago, JamboGraham said: Clarke is an unusual one, there is a post quoted by Deodato that says “he (Clarke) was the very obvious choice within Scottish football”. However, in the period since he was released by Villa half the teams in our league changed manager and none appointed him, this included us and of course Killie who eventually appointed him after their second vacancy. There is no doubt he has been an incredible appointment for Kilmarnock. However, I don’t think we should spend too much time lamenting that we didn’t identify a surprisingly inexperienced Clarke (I thought he had more than 2.5 seasons prior to Killie as a boss) as our next manager. At West Brom he had 6 great months, 6 average and 6 poor followed up by a 35% win rate with Reading and dismissed within a year. He is the obvious choice within Scottish football today, his Kilmarnock record confirms this beyond doubt, but let’s not rewrite history and argue that he was the obvious answer staring us in the face both pre and post Cathro. Let's also keep in mind that he didn't want the Hearts job when it came up, or at least he didn't apply for it despite being unemployed and actively looking for work. He's also said he's at Killie because they were his boyhood club, that he wasn't interested in the rangers job and that if he moves anywhere it'll be back to England. Yeah he's doing well but any suggestion that we missed a trick doesn't really stand up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Good OP and quite right too. Steve Clarke is not a one season wonder, he's a two half season wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ministry of Football Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Smithee said: Let's also keep in mind that he didn't want the Hearts job when it came up, or at least he didn't apply for it despite being unemployed and actively looking for work. He's also said he's at Killie because they were his boyhood club, that he wasn't interested in the rangers job and that if he moves anywhere it'll be back to England. Yeah he's doing well but any suggestion that we missed a trick doesn't really stand up. Would be have wanted to work under Levein.... I think he has proved he is more than able to manage and indeed transform a club, all by himself. When Levein does eventually move on, there must be no moving upstairs so this kind of thing does not happen again. If Levein can do the manager and DOF roles in one, so can anyone else. Edited December 8, 2018 by Ministry of Football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Don't know if this has been mentioned, the story through here is that his wife comes from the area and that there are elderly parents. He's here for family reasons apparently, and the Killie job suits his situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, Ministry of Football said: Would be have wanted to work under Levein.... I think he has proved he is more than able to manage and indeed transform a club, all by himself. When Levein does eventually move on, there must be no moving upstairs so this kind of thing does not happen again. If Levein can do the manager and DOF roles in one, so can anyone else. So just ignore that he's not interested in bigger clubs than us in Scotland and only wants Killie or a move to England, it's all Levein's fault? Cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Celtic to take 4 or 5 off Killie today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcjambo Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Looks like he is a one season wonder after all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VALDOS Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Killie appear to have gone with the tactics that so many others have failed with... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcjambo Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 4-0 Celtic ha ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VALDOS Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I might just bring out the Macallan single malt and raise a wee glass to Brendan and the boys for keeping the league the way it should be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thommo414 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Gambo said: Celtic to take 4 or 5 off Killie today. Looks like you might end up way off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTweedy Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Gambo said: Celtic to take 4 or 5 off Killie today. What about the second half? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 3 hours ago, upgotheheads said: Don't know if this has been mentioned, the story through here is that his wife comes from the area and that there are elderly parents. He's here for family reasons apparently, and the Killie job suits his situation. That and his brother approached him I think in relation to it on behalf of the Killie board. As it was Killie and personal reasons he found common ground with them. He also has stated he wont go anywhere else up here its either Killie ir back South depending in the family situation. Something like that anyway but don’t let that knock anyone off their moaning trains Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Ministry of Football said: Would be have wanted to work under Levein.... I think he has proved he is more than able to manage and indeed transform a club, all by himself. When Levein does eventually move on, there must be no moving upstairs so this kind of thing does not happen again. If Levein can do the manager and DOF roles in one, so can anyone else. I read this a lot about so and so not wanting to work with Levein. Is there any actual evidence of this? In fact the evidence is there that Levein has launched or at minimum helped along the careers of several coaches and managers, Neilson, Houston, Cathro (still working at a good level) and Jack Ross (Hearts on his CV will only have helped him) spring to mind. And players who are aspiring coaches or influential figures, notably most recently Steven Naismith, have also said how much they like working with him and how much they learn from him. Clarke's done a superb job with limited resources for two seasons. I remember when Stuart McCall did that at Motherwell. The Hearts job is a different kettle of fish from Killie. Much, much higher expectations for a start, bigger budget, more expectation to bring young players through, no plastic pitch to give you advantage at home, a large demanding home crowd instead of a small crowd with zero expectations. I'd like to think he'd be a candidate for us but there's zero evidence he can run our youth system and wheel and deal in the transfer market as successfully as Levein has done over his managerial career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Pep Clarkiola getting horsed in Glasgow. Must be imagining things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Aye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Gambo said: Celtic to take 4 or 5 off Killie today. Spot on , the media love in with killie is blown out the water today, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyces beard Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, To Be Frank said: Pep Clarkiola getting horsed in Glasgow. Must be imagining things To be fair Frank there are alot better and worse managers than Mr Clarkiola that have taken a good thumping at Parkhead bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Well they had a good couple of days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Harry Potter said: Spot on , the media love in with killie is blown out the water today, Was it a love in or heaping pressure on them. The media want 1 thing and 1 thing only and that's the arse cheeks fighting it out for the league every season. The rest of us are cannon fodder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Celtic are a good side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaywalker Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 5 hours ago, VALDOS said: I might just bring out the Macallan single malt and raise a wee glass to Brendan and the boys for keeping the league the way it should be Knob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 So Clarke has Killie as a false top of the league for 4 days and people get all excited...saying sliced bread is no longer all that. Clarke is doing a very good job - at Killie - but why do peoople think this makes him a success at his next club? Football doesn't work that way, and it never has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, Spellczech said: So Clarke has Killie as a false top of the league for 4 days and people get all excited...saying sliced bread is no longer all that. Clarke is doing a very good job - at Killie - but why do peoople think this makes him a success at his next club? Football doesn't work that way, and it never has. Pup Clarkiola is the greatest thing since sliced tortilla according to some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairneyhill Jambo Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 (edited) Can't believe some folk are gloating over a Celtic victory today. I'd rather Killie had pumped them. Edited December 8, 2018 by Cairneyhill Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Cairneyhill Jambo said: Can't believe some folk are gloating over a Celtic victory today. I'd rather Killie had pumped them. Exactly. Celtic's first win over Clarke's Killie in 5 attempts. Something CL should be aspiring to. Edited December 8, 2018 by Enzo Chiefo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Pup Clarkiola bottling the big games. Naw Style, Nae passion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboGraham Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 The thing is though...Killie getting ripped a new one at Parkhead doesn’t suddenly mean that Clarke is a poor manager...same as Hearts struggling for a few games whilst missing four first pick players doesn’t make Levein a poor manager... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4marsbars Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, JamboGraham said: The thing is though...Killie getting ripped a new one at Parkhead doesn’t suddenly mean that Clarke is a poor manager...same as Hearts struggling for a few games whilst missing four first pick players doesn’t make Levein a poor manager... Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Looking at Clarke's CV he gives the impression of being someone who doesn't really fancy being a manager, especially at a higher profile club. He's tried it but only for a couple of years and even though it seemed to go well he went back to being an assistant pretty quickly, even though Fulham wanted him apparently. That could mean he doesn't like pressure, which he would be under a lot more at Hearts than Killie. It'll be interesting to see if he moves on to a bigger club or chooses to stay in his comfort zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 See what they do next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolio Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 9 hours ago, VALDOS said: I might just bring out the Macallan single malt and raise a wee glass to Brendan and the boys for keeping the league the way it should be Weird thing to say, or you’re simply a tit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 8 hours ago, To Be Frank said: Pep Clarkiola getting horsed in Glasgow. Must be imagining things Sorry but I don't think we are in a position to take the piss out of anyone getting horsed In Glasgow you are better than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T.F.Robertson Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Cairneyhill Jambo said: Can't believe some folk are gloating over a Celtic victory today. I'd rather Killie had pumped them. You and me both. They turn it up when needed, not that we'd know anything about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 We should have beaten them as well — anyone who picks Broadfoot is a shit manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 9 hours ago, JamboGraham said: The thing is though...Killie getting ripped a new one at Parkhead doesn’t suddenly mean that Clarke is a poor manager...same as Hearts struggling for a few games whilst missing four first pick players doesn’t make Levein a poor manager... That sort of logic doesn’t make operate on JKB though unfortunately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 36 minutes ago, To Be Frank said: That sort of logic doesn’t make operate on JKB though unfortunately Its not the fact that folk are happy that celtic beat killie by a big score but the fact killie are not as fantastic as the media make out, as stated they were lucky to leave Tynecastle with 3 points , i said yesterday killie now have that fear where teams are thinking, oh no its killie we are playing, that should not be the case, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VALDOS Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 8 hours ago, Coolio said: Weird thing to say, or you’re simply a tit. I think this one has gine right over your head. I was simply in keeping with the mood on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 18 hours ago, VALDOS said: I might just bring out the Macallan single malt and raise a wee glass to Brendan and the boys for keeping the league the way it should be Unacceptable post imo. Should be suspended for even thinking something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 12 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Exactly. Celtic's first win over Clarke's Killie in 5 attempts. Something CL should be aspiring to. Hey, hey like clockwork!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Maybe Killie played into Celtic's hands like we did at Celric Park. They are a defensive minded side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
part_time_jambo Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 I think there are too many people, press and supporters, not giving Hearts enough credit or recognition. They are only 1 point behind world-beaters Kilmarnock despite not winning any of the last 8 games and suffering major injury blows, and will only get better, yet Kilmarnock are the ones being tipped as challengers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VALDOS Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Unacceptable post imo. Should be suspended for even thinking something like that. What, for even thinking about opening such a fine bottle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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