Enzo Chiefo Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Maple Leaf said: When you use the term "ever", you're covering a lot of ground. That includes the teams of the 1950's when we won the league a couple of times, the Scottish Cup, and a couple of League Cups. Therefore, no, I don't think that this is the best-ever squad. We could be seeing the most exciting year since 05/06, maybe 85/86, and I'll settle for that. 97/98 and even 91/92 were great seasons too. Winning at Parkhead in Jan 92 to stay top of the league, in front of 7500 Hearts fans ..great days. Guys like John Millar would walk into our first XI this year. It all went tits up iirc when Jordan went away for a few days to study AC Milan's training methods then we lost 0-4 to Aberdeen. Rangers strengthened that January and we were possibly only one signing away from really making a challenge. 87 /88 team was great too...finished 2nd i think and robbed of a SC Final place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Just now, Enzo Chiefo said: 97/98 and even 91/92 were great seasons too. Winning at Parkhead in Jan 92 to stay top of the league, in front of 7500 Hearts fans ..great days. Guys like John Millar would walk into our first XI this year. It all went tits up iirc when Jordan went away for a few days to study AC Milan's training methods then we lost 0-4 to Aberdeen. Rangers strengthened that January and we were possibly only one signing away from really making a challenge. 87 /88 team was great too...finished 2nd i think and robbed of a SC Final place. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted September 19, 2018 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 Just to reiterate my OP. I’m talking about squad not first team/starting 11 (if I was, 05/06 wins it in my lifetime). Two very different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 16 minutes ago, DH1986 said: No. Do you remember how many goals he scored from midfield? Who would displace him?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, Gashauskis9 said: Just to reiterate my OP. I’m talking about squad not first team/starting 11 (if I was, 05/06 wins it in my lifetime). Two very different things. You can’t separate the first XI from the rest of the squad, though. Not really different; rather, one is an integral (and the most important) subset of the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 19 minutes ago, DH1986 said: No. Yes, he would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 21 minutes ago, Gashauskis9 said: Just to reiterate my OP. I’m talking about squad not first team/starting 11 (if I was, 05/06 wins it in my lifetime). Two very different things. On paper the 98/99 and 06/07 squads were better. We underperformed both years though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Do you remember how many goals he scored from midfield? Who would displace him?? Just now, Peebo said: Yes, he would. John Millar scored 7 goals in his first season, 1 in his second, 4 in his third and hit the giddy heights of 10 in his fourth season. Lets not make him out to be a Cameron or a Hartley here. He was a distinctively average footballer who other than the odd goal here and there.....really contributed very little else in a Hearts jersey. JJ found him out very quickly and punted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 1 minute ago, DH1986 said: John Millar scored 7 goals in his first season, 1 in his second, 4 in his third and hit the giddy heights of 10 in his fourth season. Lets not make him out to be a Cameron or a Hartley here. He was a distinctively average footballer who other than the odd goal here and there.....really contributed very little else in a Hearts jersey. JJ found him out very quickly and punted him. We don’t have a Cameron or Hartley in our current team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Just now, Peebo said: We don’t have a Cameron or Hartley in our current team. We have Naismith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, DH1986 said: We have Naismith. Best utilised as a striker , as we saw at Hampden last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, DH1986 said: John Millar scored 7 goals in his first season, 1 in his second, 4 in his third and hit the giddy heights of 10 in his fourth season. Lets not make him out to be a Cameron or a Hartley here. He was a distinctively average footballer who other than the odd goal here and there.....really contributed very little else in a Hearts jersey. JJ found him out very quickly and punted him. He played in a team that played in SC Semi Finals and led the league in 91/92. Are you suggesting Olly Lee is a better player?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) Slating John Millar. I'm out. *******s. ? Edited September 19, 2018 by Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Form Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 I’d say this squad has some way to go before being compared with 05/06. And I’m pretty sure we’ll never again have one that compares with late 50s when we won the league looking back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, DH1986 said: We have Naismith. We do, aye. And I wouldn’t put him up there with either of them (not yet, at least). Not many others in the first team on that level, though, which is more pertinent to the point at hand. IE John Millar of early 90s was more than good enough to get in the current Hearts team. The bar is much, much lower these days than the last couple of decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 16 minutes ago, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said: On paper the 98/99 and 06/07 squads were better. We underperformed both years though. 98/99 is a warning from history. We kept the same squad, never lost anyone of importance, and added players. Started the season superbly (we all thought another challenge was on) then hit that horrendous rut as one slip up led to another. I was there that night at Tannadice when Mickey dragged us to victory and we were suddenly transformed for the last dozen matches. You really can't do anything else in football than take each week as it comes....then laugh or cry depending on the outcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, Peebo said: We do, aye. And I wouldn’t put him up there with either of them (not yet, at least). Not many others in the first team on that level, though, which is more pertinent to the point at hand. IE John Millar of early 90s was more than good enough to get in the current Hearts team. The bar is much, much lower these days than the last couple of decades. Spot on Peebo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Debut 4 said: 98/99 is a warning from history. We kept the same squad, never lost anyone of importance, and added players. Started the season superbly (we all thought another challenge was on) then hit that horrendous rut as one slip up led to another. I was there that night at Tannadice when Mickey dragged us to victory and we were suddenly transformed for the last dozen matches. You really can't do anything else in football than take each week as it comes....then laugh or cry depending on the outcome Too true. Weird season. We'd added genuine quality with guys like Pressley and MacKinnon. 2-0 up after 20 odd minutes on the first day and running Rangers ragged. I made I'd probably favourites for the league that night. Then everything unravelled. I remember being properly shellshocked after the McCoist hattrick game at Rugby Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Loved John Millar. Honest as the day was long. But he is not strolling into this team. I was not enthralled by the Olly Lee signing but he has been wonderful. Haring is probably the comparitor for Millar. Fun times to watch how the class of 18/19 evolve. Not relegation material though are they Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said: Too true. Weird season. We'd added genuine quality with guys like Pressley and MacKinnon. 2-0 up after 20 odd minutes on the first day and running Rangers ragged. I made I'd probably favourites for the league that night. Then everything unravelled. I remember being properly shellshocked after the McCoist hattrick game at Rugby Park. The Mo Berthe game at Dundee was a very concerning day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveandal Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 I loved John Millar. A very underrated player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Loved John Millar. Honest as the day was long. But he is not strolling into this team. I was not enthralled by the Olly Lee signing but he has been wonderful. Haring is probably the comparitor for Millar. Fun times to watch how the class of 18/19 evolve. Not relegation material though are they But the point is Sir Gio, comparisons are being made after a handful of games. Guys like Millar had experience of scoring and winning at places like Parkhead. At the end of October, having played Hibs, Rangers and Aberdeen we will be better placed to compare. Having said that though, as Peebo stated, the bar is far lower now, standard wise, than back in those days. Edited September 19, 2018 by Enzo Chiefo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said: Too true. Weird season. We'd added genuine quality with guys like Pressley and MacKinnon. 2-0 up after 20 odd minutes on the first day and running Rangers ragged. I made I'd probably favourites for the league that night. Then everything unravelled. I remember being properly shellshocked after the McCoist hattrick game at Rugby Park. Last sentence is exactly the way I felt. I was there too and it didn't seem real. This was meant to be a routine 3 points for a team carrying on form from the previous season. I remember the glee of some vermin at work but that was borne out of relief and them shiteing themselves we'd be in the hunt again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 3 hours ago, loveofthegame said: Without Berra the defence still gives me slight concerns. We’ve been largely untested so far and even in games we’ve won comfortably we’ve shipped some big chances especially down our right flank (ICT before we scored & St Mirren in particular spring to mind). Smith can be suspect defensively, and Dunne/Dikamona are largely unproven. Sooner Berra is back the better- a suspension or injury to Souttar could be an absolute disaster. same goes for Uche as we’d lose our only target man (until big vanecek comes in). I’ll keep riding the happy train for now and hope it lasts all season but I think the starting line up would lose to 98 and 06 teams comfortably- we don’t have players of the calibre now that we did back then (Naismith, Flogel, McCann, Cameron, Adam, fyssas, Gordon, pressley, Hartley, rudi, janny, bednar). The squad depth looks gd now but most of our back ups would significantly weaken the first team. I think the point above about the OF being weaker than 98/06 is a valid one however, so to an extent it is all relative. Yep - your last para in particular. There is a good argument to say that our 98 and 05 teams (even with Vlad on the scene) would not just beat our current team but would also win the league this season. It is all relative - entirely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Loved John Millar. Honest as the day was long. But he is not strolling into this team. I was not enthralled by the Olly Lee signing but he has been wonderful. Haring is probably the comparitor for Millar. Fun times to watch how the class of 18/19 evolve. Not relegation material though are they This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 The bar is lower ?!?!?! John Millar wasn’t a better footballer than Haring, Djoum or Lee. Millar could only dream of having the fitness, pace, touch or passing ability of these guys. Millar could definitely head a ball though......that was his only strength imo. I never once left a game think John Millar was MOTM today.....his passing was immense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 3 hours ago, Brighton Jambo said: No my point is that any squad that had Pospisil, Brellier, Berra, Webster, Mikolinius, McCann, Goncalves on the bench is stronger than who we have on the bench today. Depends what team dickhead had put out that day to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 30 minutes ago, S Form said: I’d say this squad has some way to go before being compared with 05/06. And I’m pretty sure we’ll never again have one that compares with late 50s when we won the league looking back. Well about 4 games...: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 28 minutes ago, Peebo said: We do, aye. And I wouldn’t put him up there with either of them (not yet, at least). Not many others in the first team on that level, though, which is more pertinent to the point at hand. IE John Millar of early 90s was more than good enough to get in the current Hearts team. The bar is much, much lower these days than the last couple of decades. Naismisth’s career has proven that he is better than Hartley was. What we haven’t had from Naismith yet at Hearts is 3 years of Hartley’s form for us. That’s all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, DH1986 said: The bar is lower ?!?!?! John Millar wasn’t a better footballer than Haring, Djoum or Lee. Millar could only dream of having the fitness, pace, touch or passing ability of these guys. Millar could definitely head a ball though......that was his only strength imo. I never once left a game think John Millar was MOTM today.....his passing was immense. In terms of the standard of Scottish football in general . Fitness and GPS stats possibly but then Dave Mackay and Gary Mackay wouldn't match up fitness wise but would win hands down in terms of football ability, compared with their modern day equivalents. Box to box midfielders don't exist now, thanks to Academies producing identikit players but, it's safe to say that if Olly Lee does as well as John Millar did over several seasons with us, we can mark him down as an excellent signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Jammy T said: Naismisth’s career has proven that he is better than Hartley was. What we haven’t had from Naismith yet at Hearts is 3 years of Hartley’s form for us. That’s all. Yup. That is all. That’s what I’m judging it on. The 9 months I’ve seen from Naismith have not been as good as the 3 years of Hartley, or the 5 of Cameron. Naismith has not been as good for Hearts as Hartley was. By the time he has completed his time with us, that appraisal may well change. I hope it does, as it will mean we have had another outstanding club legend. Edited September 19, 2018 by Peebo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 22 minutes ago, DH1986 said: The bar is lower ?!?!?! John Millar wasn’t a better footballer than Haring, Djoum or Lee. Millar could only dream of having the fitness, pace, touch or passing ability of these guys. Millar could definitely head a ball though......that was his only strength imo. I never once left a game think John Millar was MOTM today.....his passing was immense. Only strength? **** me. Each to their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Irufushi said: 05/06 team would smash this current team into smithereens, imo. It would be cigars out by half time but there's no shame in that. We've a great squad just now who are playing really well as a collective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56anawthat Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Kid Creole said: 1957-58 squad was quite good ? Yes it was. In fact all of the squads from 1955 to 1962 were pretty good. Not many of you will be old enough to remember, but many of the names are legendary - as well as the incomparable Dave Mackay, there were Willie Bauld, Alex Young, Alfie Conn, Jimmy Wardhaugh, Ian Crawford, Gordon Marshall, Bobby Kirk, Andy Bowman, John Cumming, Freddie Glidden, Bobby Blackwood, Johnny Hamilton, Jimmy Milne, Jimmy Murray, Jim Cruickshank, Willie Wallace, Norrie Davidson, Davie Holt, Gordon Smith, etc. Squads were much smaller then but there were no passengers in that lot! Edited September 19, 2018 by 56anawthat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 46 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: But the point is Sir Gio, comparisons are being made after a handful of games. Guys like Millar had experience of scoring and winning at places like Parkhead. At the end of October, having played Hibs, Rangers and Aberdeen we will be better placed to compare. Having said that though, as Peebo stated, the bar is far lower now, standard wise, than back in those days. I think a few are forgetting how shite Celtic were after 88 for many years. A bit like The Rangers have been. Hibs too. Aberdeen were a decent side though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 21 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: I think a few are forgetting how shite Celtic were after 88 for many years. A bit like The Rangers have been. Hibs too. Aberdeen were a decent side though Celtic were pretty shite, but in John Collins (the one who springs to mind), they had a midfielder in the early 90s much better than anyone they have today. They are shite now. Aberdeen of that era were indeed decent. They had a player who played alongside Gullit, Van Basten and Rijkaard in the 1990 World Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted September 19, 2018 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Peebo said: Celtic were pretty shite, but in John Collins (the one who springs to mind), they had a midfielder in the early 90s much better than anyone they have today. They are shite now. Aberdeen of that era were indeed decent. They had a player who played alongside Gullit, Van Basten and Rijkaard in the 1990 World Cup. Hans Gillhaus was superb, unplayable on his day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said: In terms of the standard of Scottish football in general . Fitness and GPS stats possibly but then Dave Mackay and Gary Mackay wouldn't match up fitness wise but would win hands down in terms of football ability, compared with their modern day equivalents. Box to box midfielders don't exist now, thanks to Academies producing identikit players but, it's safe to say that if Olly Lee does as well as John Millar did over several seasons with us, we can mark him down as an excellent signing. I honestly think you’re memory of JM is severely distorted. You can surely already see that Lee is a better footballer than Millar?.....and Lee is no Aguiar. Millar didn’t pass the ball well.....he didn’t dribble well....he wasn’t a creator of goals. He wasn’t tough holding role midfielder.....he wasn’t a box to box man. Just what are you recalling he did so damn well that makes you think he would stroll into our current team ? I don’t think that period was exactly golden for Scottish football......I doubt you’d see many players from that era get into the equivalent sides these days. I think football has moved on more than you realise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queensferryjambo Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 1 hour ago, DH1986 said: John Millar scored 7 goals in his first season, 1 in his second, 4 in his third and hit the giddy heights of 10 in his fourth season. Lets not make him out to be a Cameron or a Hartley here. He was a distinctively average footballer who other than the odd goal here and there.....really contributed very little else in a Hearts jersey. JJ found him out very quickly and punted him. What utter garbage John Millar was hardly a distinctly average player. In fact I would go as far as say he was an excellent player for Hearts. His contribution over the seasons he played for us was tremendous. He played a completely different role to Hartley and Cameron so is hardly comparable to them. They both played an attacking midfielder role. Millar's job was to break up play in midfield and regained possession for Hearts. Millar scored 21 goals in 122, Hartley scored 31 in 118 and Cameron scored 48 in 157. Considering Millar was not an attacking midfielder his scoring ratio is almost as good as Hartley and he certainly never played in any teams as good as 1997/98, 2005/06 or 2006/07 that Cameron and Hartley had the luxury of. As for Millar displacing Haring, Lee or Djoum. See when any of our current midfield score a winner at Parkhead, score a winner against Rangers (in fact score 4 times against Rangers in 4 different games) and scores 3 goals against Hibs (2 in wiining games and one saving the 22 in a row record) come back and tell us how little Millar contributed. Jeffries hardly found Millar. Millar was almost 30 and Jeffries had to use him as part of the deal to get a 24 year old Cameron from Raith. Millar was an excellent player for Hearts and hardly needs our own fans trying to belittle his contribution to our club to try and win an internet argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Do you remember how many goals he scored from midfield? Who would displace him?? Djoum, Lee, Haring, Cochrane and Naismith for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, the jambo poet said: I think a lot of people are comparing squads and determining who was better with regards to who we played, scores, etc when talking about the different eras. However to get a clearer picture of the whole picture you have to perhaps compare our rivals teams/squads also from the same periods/years... For instance...the Celtic team of 2006 was far far superior to their current team. The one which beat us 3-2 (unfairly) was this.... Artur Boruc Ross Wallace Neil Lennon Bobo Balde Stephen McManus Paul Telfer Stylan Petrov Alan Thompson Shaun Maloney Shunsuje Nakamura John Hartson subs: Mo Camara, Adam Virgo, Stephen Pearson, Paul Lawson, Aiden McGeady, Wei Du, David Marshall our team was: Craig Gordon Robbie Neilson Andy Webster Steven Pressley Takis Fyssas Rudi Skacel Deivadas Cesnauskis Paul Hartley Julien Brellier Edgaras Jankauskas Calum Elliot subs: Stephen Simmons, Jamie McAllister, Steve Banks, Neil MacFarlane, Michael Pospisil, Lee Wallace, Christophe Berra If you look at our team/match day squad that's as good as it gets....our subs bench is very strong although Wallace and Berra and I guess Simmons too were youngsters at the time. The majority of that Celtic team played in the English Premier League at some point so were pretty good. Celtic team we beat 1-0 this season : Craig Gordon K Tierney M Lustig J Hendry J Simunovic S Sinclair J Hayes K Eboue S Brown C McGregor L Griffiths subs: James Forrest, Michael Johnston, Kristoffer Ajer, Odsonne Edouard, Olivier Nitcham, Tom Rogic, Scott Bain Our current team aren't nearly as good as the 2006 team, but the same can be said of Celtic's current team. What I guess I am saying is, it's all relative to the teams you are playing against. Yes our new team/squad is looking really strong but not as strong as the best team/squad we have had, which in my opinion, was 2006. However the current champions are in the same boat. Celtic are imo on par, imo Edouard (sp), rogic and forrest came on from the bench in our recent 1-0. Boyata also rested. I'd even argue celtic are better now v then. Think you're being a bit hard on the relative thing. Rangers are worse, no doubt. I'd also argue that Aberdeen and Hibs are far better, along with St Johnstone and Killie. Our team has yet to prove it is as good as 06, one can only guess. I'm going to say yes and put my neck on the line , time will prove this team is our best. Edited September 19, 2018 by WeeChuck'sHeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said: Djoum, Lee, Haring, Cochrane and Naismith for starters. Short memory JJ..Djoum is an imposter imo. Never kicked a ball for months after the African Nations Cup and should have been shown a red card with his first touch of the ball a fortnight ago . Comparing Millar to a 17 year old laddie that may or not make it along with a guy who was originally brought in as cover for CH??? Fair enough , have the discussion in May or after we've played against the majority of the top teams but now??? Nah. Edited September 19, 2018 by Enzo Chiefo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 24 minutes ago, queensferryjambo said: What utter garbage John Millar was hardly a distinctly average player. In fact I would go as far as say he was an excellent player for Hearts. His contribution over the seasons he played for us was tremendous. He played a completely different role to Hartley and Cameron so is hardly comparable to them. They both played an attacking midfielder role. Millar's job was to break up play in midfield and regained possession for Hearts. Millar scored 21 goals in 122, Hartley scored 31 in 118 and Cameron scored 48 in 157. Considering Millar was not an attacking midfielder his scoring ratio is almost as good as Hartley and he certainly never played in any teams as good as 1997/98, 2005/06 or 2006/07 that Cameron and Hartley had the luxury of. As for Millar displacing Haring, Lee or Djoum. See when any of our current midfield score a winner at Parkhead, score a winner against Rangers (in fact score 4 times against Rangers in 4 different games) and scores 3 goals against Hibs (2 in wiining games and one saving the 22 in a row record) come back and tell us how little Millar contributed. Jeffries hardly found Millar. Millar was almost 30 and Jeffries had to use him as part of the deal to get a 24 year old Cameron from Raith. Millar was an excellent player for Hearts and hardly needs our own fans trying to belittle his contribution to our club to try and win an internet argument. Hi John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 30 minutes ago, queensferryjambo said: What utter garbage John Millar was hardly a distinctly average player. In fact I would go as far as say he was an excellent player for Hearts. His contribution over the seasons he played for us was tremendous. He played a completely different role to Hartley and Cameron so is hardly comparable to them. They both played an attacking midfielder role. Millar's job was to break up play in midfield and regained possession for Hearts. Millar scored 21 goals in 122, Hartley scored 31 in 118 and Cameron scored 48 in 157. Considering Millar was not an attacking midfielder his scoring ratio is almost as good as Hartley and he certainly never played in any teams as good as 1997/98, 2005/06 or 2006/07 that Cameron and Hartley had the luxury of. As for Millar displacing Haring, Lee or Djoum. See when any of our current midfield score a winner at Parkhead, score a winner against Rangers (in fact score 4 times against Rangers in 4 different games) and scores 3 goals against Hibs (2 in wiining games and one saving the 22 in a row record) come back and tell us how little Millar contributed. Jeffries hardly found Millar. Millar was almost 30 and Jeffries had to use him as part of the deal to get a 24 year old Cameron from Raith. Millar was an excellent player for Hearts and hardly needs our own fans trying to belittle his contribution to our club to try and win an internet argument. Well said QJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Rob Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 TBH what our squad lacks right now is an X-factor player. Naismith could become that player for us, but currently I can’t see anyone else turning a game with something created out of nowhere, a la Skacel. Re: the John Millar discussion, I really liked him as a player. The team of 1991-92 doesn’t get a lot of love compared to some of the others as they never won a trophy, but just look at the players: Henry Smith Alan McLaren Tosh McKinlay Craig Levein Gary Mackay Dave McPherson Scott Crabbe Derek Ferguson John Robertson John Millar John Colquhoun Millar and Crabbe were the only two of that 11 not to get full Scotland caps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By the light Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, Doc Rob said: TBH what our squad lacks right now is an X-factor player. Naismith could become that player for us, but currently I can’t see anyone else turning a game with something created out of nowhere, a la Skacel. Re: the John Millar discussion, I really liked him as a player. The team of 1991-92 doesn’t get a lot of love compared to some of the others as they never won a trophy, but just look at the players: Henry Smith Alan McLaren Tosh McKinlay Craig Levein Gary Mackay Dave McPherson Scott Crabbe Derek Ferguson John Robertson John Millar John Colquhoun Millar and Crabbe were the only two of that 11 not to get full Scotland caps. The first team that I properly remember as a 10 year old. Proper hero worshipping time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudi5kaceldream1ng Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 It’s a tidy squad. Up there with the best? Can’t be said until we win a trophy. At the moment even the 2012 squad is superior due to winning a trophy. It’s all about winning for me. I hope albert Kidd isn’t playing when we play dundee away on the 27th...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Rob Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, By the light said: The first team that I properly remember as a 10 year old. Proper hero worshipping time. I was 18 and in my first year at uni. It says something that I can still rattle off that team 27 years later, including who wore what number. (The only other team I can do that with is the 1990 Grand Slam rugby team - I even have to think to name the 97/98 Cup winners). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ93 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 21 minutes ago, Doc Rob said: TBH what our squad lacks right now is an X-factor player. Naismith could become that player for us, but currently I can’t see anyone else turning a game with something created out of nowhere, a la Skacel. Re: the John Millar discussion, I really liked him as a player. The team of 1991-92 doesn’t get a lot of love compared to some of the others as they never won a trophy, but just look at the players: Henry Smith Alan McLaren Tosh McKinlay Craig Levein Gary Mackay Dave McPherson Scott Crabbe Derek Ferguson John Robertson John Millar John Colquhoun Millar and Crabbe were the only two of that 11 not to get full Scotland caps. Vanecek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jambo poet Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 1 hour ago, queensferryjambo said: What utter garbage John Millar was hardly a distinctly average player. In fact I would go as far as say he was an excellent player for Hearts. His contribution over the seasons he played for us was tremendous. He played a completely different role to Hartley and Cameron so is hardly comparable to them. They both played an attacking midfielder role. Millar's job was to break up play in midfield and regained possession for Hearts. Millar scored 21 goals in 122, Hartley scored 31 in 118 and Cameron scored 48 in 157. Considering Millar was not an attacking midfielder his scoring ratio is almost as good as Hartley and he certainly never played in any teams as good as 1997/98, 2005/06 or 2006/07 that Cameron and Hartley had the luxury of. As for Millar displacing Haring, Lee or Djoum. See when any of our current midfield score a winner at Parkhead, score a winner against Rangers (in fact score 4 times against Rangers in 4 different games) and scores 3 goals against Hibs (2 in wiining games and one saving the 22 in a row record) come back and tell us how little Millar contributed. Jeffries hardly found Millar. Millar was almost 30 and Jeffries had to use him as part of the deal to get a 24 year old Cameron from Raith. Millar was an excellent player for Hearts and hardly needs our own fans trying to belittle his contribution to our club to try and win an internet argument. I agree that John Millar was a very underrated player for Hearts but he was limited in his footballing ability. What I will say is he had a knack of being able to put the ball in the net which money can't buy nowadays. His worth as a ball winning midfielder outweighed by his ability to be in the right place at the right time to score goals. It was uncanny. A great natural runner who managed to get beyond the midfield of the other team and cause problems, normally resulting in a goal. We signed him from Blackburn with no fuss, under the radar and he turned out to be a great signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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