JamboX2 Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, Hunky Dory said: What’s the difference? Being interviewed by a journalist in the lobby of Holyrood for an opinion and being paid by their broadcaster to produce a show is different.
Jambo-Jimbo Posted November 11, 2017 Author Posted November 11, 2017 7 minutes ago, JamboX2 said: 1. I agree - Corbyn and his shadow cabinet shouldn't be on RT. 2. Salmond can do what he wants. But shouldn't to the detriment of his party and movement. He's very closely linked in the public mind to the SNP. So what he says and does carries weight. It's why he gets gigs on BBCQT, Newsnight, Daily/Sunday Politics as a spokesperson sanctioned by the SNP. So yes he's free to do what he likes but you'd have hoped he'd maybe do things that may not pull him into disrepute and discredit himself and by association (right or wrong) his party. 3. Pro-Yes voices are present in multiple media outlets in the UK. Writers in major broadsheets and red tops. A new newspaper. A sunday paper. Repeated prominent Yes people on BBC Scotland radio. SNP politicians on panels for various major political shows. There is actually balance and plurality of opinions in the media. 4. (a) "the Mail, Sky, or the BBC" - The Mail is a private organisation with an independent editorial line bought by a significant number of people in Scotland. Sky and the BBC are equally editorially independent of their financial backers - like the Mail or Evening News for that. None of their backers have bern accused of the murder and silencing of journslists. (b) "present a fairer insight into UK-US foreign policy" - Or a Russian view of UK-US and western foreign policy. Like I say, when did RT take a questioning view on the rights and wrongs of Russian backed militias in Donetsk or of annexing Crimea? Which will surely have to stop, as Sturgeon can't criticise Salmond for him going to RT and still have him as a sanctioned SNP spokesperson. What a gift and a half that would be to all the other political parties not just in Scotland but in Westminster as well, if he isn't now dumped by the SNP.
ToadKiller Dog Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 Hysterical nonsense. Who gave RT its licence to have a channel the Labour government in 2005 Dont remember any hysteria then. Who gave RT a license to have RT UK channel the tory dumbs government! Launched 2014. Salmond to host a show question hysteria. Old George Foulks woke up to call Salmond a traitor in that bastion of freedom and impartial journalism the daily express (says it all). Personally I wouldn't have made the same choice as Salmond but his show is an irrelevance in comparison to the likes of power that people like Paul Dacre, Murdoch and the BBC have over shaping public opinion and policy in the UK http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2017/11/11/rts-are-not-endorsements/
JamboX2 Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 14 minutes ago, ToadKiller Dog said: Hysterical nonsense. Who gave RT its licence to have a channel the Labour government in 2005 Dont remember any hysteria then. Who gave RT a license to have RT UK channel the tory dumbs government! Launched 2014. Salmond to host a show question hysteria. Old George Foulks woke up to call Salmond a traitor in that bastion of freedom and impartial journalism the daily express (says it all). Personally I wouldn't have made the same choice as Salmond but his show is an irrelevance in comparison to the likes of power that people like Paul Dacre, Murdoch and the BBC have over shaping public opinion and policy in the UK http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2017/11/11/rts-are-not-endorsements/ Nothing wrong with a commitment to media plurality and allowing RT to broadcast. More an issue of their backers and opting to jump into bed with them.
deesidejambo Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 Keep it going Eck. The halfwits think it’s great to wind up the majority. But all it does is drive middle-ground votes away. Go Eck and Vladimir!
deesidejambo Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 Did he mention the Russian annexation of Crimea?
flecktimus Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 2 hours ago, JamboX2 said: Take you've missed the coverage of the paradise papers, harrasment scandals, Patel fiasco and Johnson... not to mention their coverage of the Brexit shambles. Regularly asking tough questions and breaking these types of stories. Even against their own organisation. When have RT been broke stories that cast scrutiny of Putin on press freedom? Or Russian actions in Syria or Ukraine? The persecution of the LGBT community? The BBC has editorial independence in journalism from their paymasters (ultimately the licence payer), the state and of the BBC Trust. Like Sky News do. Like CNN. F24 in France etc. RT has repeatedly shown it doesn't. By it's actions. Added to that they have recently registered in the USA as a foreign state agency. So the differences are pretty substantial. Which makes this a lapse of judgement and ut is one for any mainstream UK politician. It used to be the home of Galloway and Farage. Leave them to it as increasingly it's clear these two have had a degree of Kremlin funding through various other means. Raise you, BBC Gavin Esler Vote no Borders,
yabadabadoo1874again Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 In best ANCHORMAN voice... BritNats...ASSEMBLE!!! Oh you're already here ?
Mikey1874 Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 1 hour ago, deesidejambo said: Keep it going Eck. The halfwits think it’s great to wind up the majority. But all it does is drive middle-ground votes away. Go Eck and Vladimir! That is a good question Fight might have been lost For a generation anway
Thunderstruck Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 If Salmondovich takes requests for music on his show do you think we could get him to play Roy Orbison’s “It’s over”, then Talking Heads’ “Once in a lifetime”.
Phil Dunphy Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 There's some Celtic level whataboutery going on in this thread.
Boris Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 I'd have thought that those criticising Salmond should really be pleased, given RTs apparent image amongst same voices. Irrespective of broadcaster, it seems more a wish to silence Salmond. No one is forcing anyone to watch this!
jambo1961 Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 Wonder if Eck still has a shot on the swings with his good lady at the same time having one eye on the insurance policies no doubt
JamboX2 Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 2 hours ago, Space Mackerel said: Only source for that story was the state broadcaster Itar-Tass. I'd take it with a pinch of salt.
JamboX2 Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 2 hours ago, flecktimus said: Raise you, BBC Gavin Esler Vote no Borders, Pardon?
Roxy Hearts Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 It's some of the types of attitudes on this thread that turned me to independence a long time ago. Playing the man as usual. I know we all do it but he doesn't represent every thought for Scots and we did vote for independence it was others who lost it for us. That includes propaganda.
yabadabadoo1874again Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, jambo1961 said: Proud to be part of the ''NAW'' brigade Proud BritNat is a thing btw.
Geoff the Mince Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 For me anyone appearing on RT is due criticism (Nat or Brit) This is a channel which for 5 yrs has backed Assad and Russians actions resulting in 100'000s of civilian deaths, not Jihadis civilians ! Wheres thier moral compass for taking blood money ?
Thunderstruck Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 10 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: It's some of the types of attitudes on this thread that turned me to independence a long time ago. Playing the man as usual. I know we all do it but he doesn't represent every thought for Scots and we did vote for independence it was others who lost it for us. That includes propaganda. Everybody views the world, the media and politics through the prism of their own prejudices and we can make allowances for that. Delusion (highlighted) on the other hand....
Roxy Hearts Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 Just now, Thunderstruck said: Everybody views the world, the media and politics through the prism of their own prejudices and we can make allowances for that. Delusion (highlighted) on the other hand.... Scots did.
Thunderstruck Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 Just now, Roxy Hearts said: Scots did. I refer you to my second sentence.
Roxy Hearts Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 Just now, Thunderstruck said: I refer you to my second sentence. Demographics. Not prejudices.
Thunderstruck Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: Demographics. Not prejudices. Wrong again, it’s your prejudiced, narrow view that cons you into believing nonsensical “analysis”. If someone with a contrary view had suggested that the Irish demographic had swung the vote to “Yes” in Glasgow, North Lanarkshire and Dundee, you would be scathing of that view. That, however, is a view that has some traction in some bigoted groups.
Roxy Hearts Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said: Wrong again, it’s your prejudiced, narrow view that cons you into believing nonsensical “analysis”. If someone with a contrary view had suggested that the Irish demographic had swung the vote to “Yes” in Glasgow, North Lanarkshire and Dundee, you would be scathing of that view. That, however, is a view that has some traction in some bigoted groups. Irish of which I'm part and Italian. Voted for Brexit. Don't get your point but then you're a Britnat and I know your narrowinded point of view.
Phil Dunphy Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Roxy Hearts said: Scots did. So there were 2,500,000 non-Scots who voted against independence? That's a new one.
XB52 Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 6 hours ago, Hunky Dory said: Of course it’s party political. Corbyn was on RT not that long back, as the leader of the opposition. No discussion. Salmond’s a member of the public. He can do what he wants. The problem here is that pro-Independence voices are gaining exposure on media outlets that is out with the control of the unionist arm. RT is no worse than the Mail, Sky, or the BBC. They actually present a fairer insight into UK-US foreign policy than any of the afore mentioned three. Agree. I started watching RT a couple of years ago and found it more believable on most world news areas than the BBC
Roxy Hearts Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 7 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: So there were 2,500,000 non-Scots who voted against independence? That's a new one. Majority of Scots. Anyway we are where we are so thanks for our current Westminster govt.
XB52 Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 10 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: So there were 2,500,000 non-Scots who voted against independence? That's a new one. The majority of Scots voted for independence
Roxy Hearts Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 Just now, XB52 said: The majority of Scots voted for independence Thanks XB52.
jambo1961 Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 Ecks choking or a ride after a few weeks away in London ..what does he do.. lets face it if he does go for it with his burd death wont be far away just saying likes
Roxy Hearts Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, jambo1961 said: Ecks choking or a ride after a few weeks away in London ..what does he do.. lets face it if he does go for it with his burd death wont be far away just saying likes Stay off the lager.
Phil Dunphy Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 9 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: Majority of Scots. Anyway we are where we are so thanks for our current Westminster govt. 8 minutes ago, XB52 said: The majority of Scots voted for independence Based on what, exactly? If you honestly think the vote was hijacked by non-Scot voters then you're, quite frankly, a dangerous individual.
jambo1961 Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: Stay off the lager. How Thems the facts Then again maybe his good lady is a guise like plenty MP's have when they like to take it up the
Roxy Hearts Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 Just now, Phil Dunphy said: Based on what, exactly? If you honestly think the vote was hijacked by non-Scot voters then you're, quite frankly, a dangerous individual. The analysis of the demographics. Dangerous individual? Give it a rest for goodness sake! I'm an ordinary person wishing to see my country govern itself like normal countries.
Phil Dunphy Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 1 minute ago, Roxy Hearts said: The analysis of the demographics. Dangerous individual? Give it a rest for goodness sake! I'm an ordinary person wishing to see my country govern itself like normal countries. The "analysis" is nonsense. Unless you spoke to every single person who voted, then your claim is whimsical, romanticised garbage. If the majority of Scots wanted to be independent, then it would've happened.
XB52 Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 7 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: Based on what, exactly? If you honestly think the vote was hijacked by non-Scot voters then you're, quite frankly, a dangerous individual. There have been a few polls showing that the majority of Scots voted Yes. Ruk voters voted about 70 to 30 No and EU voters 65 to 35 No. No Rgument with that as it was always stated the vote was for everyone living in Scotland.
Phil Dunphy Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 Let's have a closer look at some of the numbers. 122,036 votes cast in Dumfries and Galloway - 65.67% voted against. So the majority of those people weren't from Scotland. 61.10% of 378,012 votes cast in Edinburgh were No. The majority of those people weren't from Scotland either? 206,486 votes in Aberdeenshire, 60.36% majority against. Loads of non-Scottish people in the Grampian area then. This the majority of Scots voted Yes nonsense is laughable.
Phil Dunphy Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, XB52 said: There have been a few polls showing that the majority of Scots voted Yes. Ruk voters voted about 70 to 30 No and EU voters 65 to 35 No. No Rgument with that as it was always stated the vote was for everyone living in Scotland. I didn't take part in any of those polls. Did they send that out to every voter? Polls mean nothing in these debates.
Phil Dunphy Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 From the last Edinburgh census, 2011. Quote 401,000 people in Edinburgh were born within the UK. Quote Of those Edinburgh residents born in the UK, 335,000 or 83% were born in Scotland,14% in England, 1.6% in Northern Ireland and 0.5% in Wales. But of course, it was only the non-Scots who voted No. Those numbers totally add up
jambo1961 Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 Shouldny have polls near an election I say also had the kids not had a vote the Naw vote would have been even better..What gets me about the SNP is the fact they have swallowed the Tories lot from the days gone by yet want to be independent Even kept Major in for longer thing is the SNP are scotlands Tories and always have been
yabadabadoo1874again Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 21 minutes ago, jambo1961 said: Shouldny have polls near an election I say also had the kids not had a vote the Naw vote would have been even better..What gets me about the SNP is the fact they have swallowed the Tories lot from the days gone by yet want to be independent Even kept Major in for longer thing is the SNP are scotlands Tories and always have been Ragin' BritNat Red Tory... Shat it and voted no. Yes? Your BritNationalist utopia isn't going so well is it. No?
Roxy Hearts Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 34 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: The "analysis" is nonsense. Unless you spoke to every single person who voted, then your claim is whimsical, romanticised garbage. If the majority of Scots wanted to be independent, then it would've happened. Calling me a dangerous individual nullifies any respect for your responses. You Britnats really are something when you're up against it.
Phil Dunphy Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 Just now, Roxy Hearts said: Calling me a dangerous individual nullifies any respect for your responses. You Britnats really are something when you're up against it. And you CyberNats hate it when folk present evidence to counter your nonsensical ravings.
yabadabadoo1874again Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 1 minute ago, Phil Dunphy said: And you CyberNats hate it when folk present evidence to counter your nonsensical ravings. CyBritNat!!! Kinda rolls off the tongue...?
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