jambos are go! Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRzVT9L45II Great viewing. SNP member Sillars saying; Wee Nicola is not very bright but the best of a bad bunch. She should go as soon as someone else turns up. The decision to call for IndyRef2 was a huge mistake. No attempt has been made to find out why they lost the referendum The decision on fracking was wrong and bad for Scotland The SNP are totally centralised around Nicolas' Office with no policy making structures within the party. Labour will offer a huge challenge in central belt seats at the next Holyrood election and they probably wont have a majority Next indy ref not advisable till 22/23 when they make a post Brexit case based on facts . Independence needs a much broader base than the SNP. IMO he is saying the independence movement needs Scottish Labour to succeed. Just an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Like Napoleon's escape from Elba, it looked clever at the time, but it soon ended with their Waterloo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajones Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 10 minutes ago, jambos are go! said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRzVT9L45II Great viewing. SNP member Sillars saying; Wee Nicola is not very bright but the best of a bad bunch. She should go as soon as someone else turns up. The decision to call for IndyRef2 was a huge mistake. No attempt has been made to find out why they lost the referendum The decision on fracking was wrong and bad for Scotland The SNP are totally centralised around Nicolas' Office with no policy making structures within the party. Labour will offer a huge challenge in central belt seats at the next Holyrood election and they probably wont have a majority Next indy ref not advisable till 22/23 when they make a post Brexit case based on facts . Independence needs a much broader base than the SNP. IMO he is saying the independence movement needs Scottish Labour to succeed. Just an opinion. I stopped reading after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Really excited to see the fresh viewpoints that will emerge here in this thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yabadabadoo1874again Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 ...looks like Archie McPherson's twin sister is hamming it up...!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 22 minutes ago, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said: Really excited to see the fresh viewpoints that will emerge here in this thread... The fresh viewpoint is that It's Over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Meanwhile the former leader is busy filming the new Cracker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 33 minutes ago, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said: Really excited to see the fresh viewpoints that will emerge here in this thread... Ok. Scotland should declare UDI and join together in a new federal state with Catalonia called "Scatalonia", with dual capitals in Barcelona and Edinburgh, a rotating presidency, haggis tapas as its national dish, and use bitcoin as its currency. That fresh enough for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Grappelli Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 10 minutes ago, redjambo said: Ok. Scotland should declare UDI and join together in a new federal state with Catalonia called "Scatalonia", with dual capitals in Barcelona and Edinburgh, a rotating presidency, haggis tapas as its national dish, and use bitcoin as its currency. That fresh enough for you? The national anthem could be "Scatman" by the late, great Scatman John. May Christ have mercy on his sweet soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, The Gorgie Gatsby said: The national anthem could be "Scatman" by the late, great Scatman John. May Christ have mercy on his sweet soul. Great idea. Ladies and Gentleman, please rise or descend on bended knee for the Scatalonian national anthem: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 19 minutes ago, redjambo said: Ok. Scotland should declare UDI and join together in a new federal state with Catalonia called "Scatalonia", with dual capitals in Barcelona and Edinburgh, a rotating presidency, haggis tapas as its national dish, and use bitcoin as its currency. That fresh enough for you? Scotalunya. YES. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Just now, redm said: Scotalunya. YES. ? Admittedly, albeit grudgingly, a far better name for our magnificent new country than Scatalonia. Drat, back to the drawing board... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 hour ago, indianajones said: I stopped reading after that. Yep, me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Fracking is commonly done in North Sea wells and has been since the 70s. not sure the SNP are aware of that. Maybe they will have to ban offshore fracking also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 32 minutes ago, redm said: Scotalunya. YES. ? Two Catalan independence campaigners in jail tonight. I'm definitely in favour of that spreading to SNP personages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajones Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 19 minutes ago, deesidejambo said: Fracking is commonly done in North Sea wells and has been since the 70s. not sure the SNP are aware of that. Maybe they will have to ban offshore fracking also Absolutely stupid comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Jim has been bitter since about 1975 or so... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 If Sillars had the bottle a number of years ago to push on with the Scottish Labour Party as a separated entity from the Labour Party as he attempted then I believe Scotland would be independent by now. As it was he was he was a prominent force in moving the SNP away from the "tartan tory" reputation it had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted October 16, 2017 Author Share Posted October 16, 2017 38 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Jim has been bitter since about 1975 or so... ? But not since 1707 I presume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 8 minutes ago, jambos are go! said: But not since 1707 I presume. He probably would be if he was old enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 You can spot the BBC Scotland and Daily Record readers a mile off on here. Which is a shame for their own intellect and personal advancement in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T.F.Robertson Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 3 hours ago, deesidejambo said: Fracking is commonly done in North Sea wells and has been since the 70s. not sure the SNP are aware of that. Maybe they will have to ban offshore fracking also Been done in Alberta for as long as I can remember. A bit bigger than Scotland, right enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb102 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 9 hours ago, deesidejambo said: Fracking is commonly done in North Sea wells and has been since the 70s. not sure the SNP are aware of that. Maybe they will have to ban offshore fracking also Could do.Then maybe just import fracked gas from Pennsylvania three times a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 9 hours ago, indianajones said: Absolutely stupid comparison. Nope. One of the reasons behind a fracking ban is they say the technology causes earthquakes and or leaks of fliuds into different formations. They should investigate the NS fraccs to see if that has happened. They will find out it hasn't. Also banning fracking while allowing frac gas to be imported suggests hypocrisy. The SNP continue with their diddy populist policies. Meanwhile the rich get richer as they drag their heels on tax rises. I don't read the Mail, Express, or National as all three are for tubes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 The usual blow hards appearing I see. Political threads are always just awful on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 11 minutes ago, Sarah O said: The usual blow hards appearing I see. Political threads are always just awful on here. They're all experts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 8 hours ago, Space Mackerel said: You can spot the BBC Scotland and Daily Record readers a mile off on here. Which is a shame for their own intellect and personal advancement in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 9 hours ago, deesidejambo said: Fracking is commonly done in North Sea wells and has been since the 70s. not sure the SNP are aware of that. Maybe they will have to ban offshore fracking also It’s true. But I think most people now take the term “fracking” to mean the factory-like, multi-stage operations that are seen across multiple plays (typically shale or “tight” formations) in the onshore US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 28 minutes ago, deesidejambo said: Nope. One of the reasons behind a fracking ban is they say the technology causes earthquakes and or leaks of fliuds into different formations. They should investigate the NS fraccs to see if that has happened. They will find out it hasn't. Also banning fracking while allowing frac gas to be imported suggests hypocrisy. The SNP continue with their diddy populist policies. Meanwhile the rich get richer as they drag their heels on tax rises. I don't read the Mail, Express, or National as all three are for tubes. It absolutely is a stupid comparison, fracking in populated areas and fracking miles out at sea are obviously two very different things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 I think he was making some decent points on a few points: 1. The Independence movement should become independent of the SNP. The devolution movement was a-political and rather than wobble grew and grew. The SNP will always put certain folk off and as long as it's the lead it will alienate Labour, Liberal, Tory and some Greens from the cause. 2. Sturgeon tying her first ministership to education is a mistake. Education is an oil tanker area and takes a long term to be corrected or shifted. That .ay not come soon enough for her efforts. 3. Things have massively changed through Brexit and the clock and argument needs reset on any timescales with serious thought put into the prospectus for independence. Added to that policy formation needs opened up across the SNP. No policy groups in the biggest Scottish party? Not utilising its talent. It's shutting down this debate on what next and what went wrong which sums up why there's been no discernible boost to the SNP or independence by Brexit. The line is "one more push". Sillars has seen more change in politics across the UK than most. He should be brought into the tent not exiled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 10 hours ago, Gorgiewave said: Two Catalan independence campaigners in jail tonight. I'm definitely in favour of that spreading to SNP personages. We could perhaps draft in some of the Spanish constabulary to police the next Nationalist march... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 9 hours ago, Space Mackerel said: You can spot the BBC Scotland and Daily Record readers a mile off on here. Which is a shame for their own intellect and personal advancement in life. Says the man who is quoting The Express on another thread. Still miss Princess Diana? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 12 hours ago, Trapper John McIntyre said: Meanwhile the former leader is busy filming the new Cracker. Will you take a swatch at that Feck sake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 1 hour ago, ManMoth said: It absolutely is a stupid comparison, fracking in populated areas and fracking miles out at sea are obviously two very different things Of course there is a difference but there are also similarities so its not "stupid" to consider these. But the point is the SNP dont even know wells are routinely fracked offshore. But keep on importing fracc gas - presumably the SNP are happy that people in the US can suffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 21 minutes ago, deesidejambo said: Of course there is a difference but there are also similarities so its not "stupid" to consider these. But the point is the SNP dont even know wells are routinely fracked offshore. But keep on importing fracc gas - presumably the SNP are happy that people in the US can suffer. I don't believe that the national government aren't aware of offshore fracking chief, and your US hypocrisy doesn't hold water - the US has huge areas of largely unpopulated land, it's basically continent sized and can carry out this sort activity hundreds of miles from civilisation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56anawthat Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Jim Sillars has made a 'career' out of opposing his own party's policies. Maybe we should do some trial fracking in his own backyard to see how his constituents feel about that. Er.. Does he actually have a constituency? Maybe that wouldn't work then. Is he still strongly in favour of Brexit? Wonder what his colleagues think about that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Nookie Bear said: Says the man who is quoting The Express on another thread. Still miss Princess Diana? That link was used to make the news source more "credible" for the BBC Scotland and Daily Record readers amongst us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 3 hours ago, ManMoth said: I don't believe that the national government aren't aware of offshore fracking chief, and your US hypocrisy doesn't hold water - the US has huge areas of largely unpopulated land, it's basically continent sized and can carry out this sort activity hundreds of miles from civilisation Not to mention the fact that the people who control the mineral rights (eg local landowners) are typically well-rewarded for letting the fracking take place. The whole fracking thing in Scotland is pretty much red herring, and all about politics and populism. A Scottish government banning fracking is like me declaring myself unavailable for selection for the Scottish National team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 13 minutes ago, Peebo said: Not to mention the fact that the people who control the mineral rights (eg local landowners) are typically well-rewarded for letting the fracking take place. The whole fracking thing in Scotland is pretty much red herring, and all about politics and populism. A Scottish government banning fracking is like me declaring myself unavailable for selection for the Scottish National team. I heard a chap on the radio from some University saying that Scotland's geology doesn't really lend itself to fracking. In other words, it would cost too much to extract too little. Not worth it. Edit: this chap http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-40953427 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 9 minutes ago, Boris said: I heard a chap on the radio from some University saying that Scotland's geology doesn't really lend itself to fracking. In other words, it would cost too much to extract too little. Not worth it. Edit: this chap http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-40953427 Indeed, the economics make it very easy to ban fracking, particularly when such a ban creates political goodwill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 13 minutes ago, Peebo said: Indeed, the economics make it very easy to ban fracking, particularly when such a ban creates political goodwill. But given the economics of it, why is it even on the agenda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 13 minutes ago, Boris said: But given the economics of it, why is it even on the agenda? The political agenda? Because people lap it up! It’s a vote-winner to ban it. Commercially, not sure it is on the agenda of many companies who actually know what they are doing with unconventional oil or gas development. Sure, some (INEOS) will think they can do it. But geology, costs, logistics, regulatory structure, land ownership and the prices of oil and gas all mean the economics look extremely shakey. Not many serious oil and gas companies will bother with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, Peebo said: The political agenda? Because people lap it up! It’s a vote-winner to ban it. Commercially, not sure it is on the agenda of many companies who actually know what they are doing with unconventional oil or gas development. Sure, some (INEOS) will think they can do it. But geology, costs, logistics, regulatory structure, land ownership and the prices of oil and gas all mean the economics look extremely shakey. Not many serious oil and gas companies will bother with it. Which suggests that it is on the agenda at the behest of companies like Ineos, lobbying Westminster (and no doubt Holyrood) for the opportunity. Which in turn brings up the environmental issues. I doubt it's been mooted, just so it can be banned so a govt looks good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flecktimus Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 30 minutes ago, Boris said: I heard a chap on the radio from some University saying that Scotland's geology doesn't really lend itself to fracking. In other words, it would cost too much to extract too little. Not worth it. Edit: this chap http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-40953427 As someone who has worked extracting mineral (coal) from the Scottish geology, i concur. I also worked in the North Derbyshire coalfield where the geology was a lot more stable. Many years later i met an American geologist whom worked in the oil industry. Basically i asked him why the North Derbyshire coal field had lots of methane gas and the Midlothian coal field had practically none despite being a lot deeper. His answer was quite simple; Scotland geology is so full of fault lines that the gas has escaped into the atmosphere over millions of years. Midlothian has at least 3 big fault lines, pentland fault, sheriff hall fault and the Southern Upland which is the largest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 12 minutes ago, Peebo said: The political agenda? Because people lap it up! It’s a vote-winner to ban it. Commercially, not sure it is on the agenda of many companies who actually know what they are doing with unconventional oil or gas development. Sure, some (INEOS) will think they can do it. But geology, costs, logistics, regulatory structure, land ownership and the prices of oil and gas all mean the economics look extremely shakey. Not many serious oil and gas companies will bother with it. Exactly this. Its populist politics, which is an SNP speciality. The volumes to be recovered are tiny, if any at all. The real frac target areas are in England. But taking in US frac gas is hypocrisy as many US fracked fields are under populated areas so its not correct to say US do it out in the desert. They dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Just now, deesidejambo said: Exactly this. Its populist politics, which is an SNP speciality. The volumes to be recovered are tiny, if any at all. The real frac target areas are in England. But taking in US frac gas is hypocrisy as many US fracked fields are under populated areas so its not correct to say US do it out in the desert. They dont. So fracking in Scotland is simply an SNP conspiracy put out there, so they can then ban it? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 It would also appear that it was the Labour Party, The Greens and the LibDems that voted for the ban. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36422083 Your slur on the SNP looking a bit shaky there! Still, your Tory chums voted for it. The above, of course led to this https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/03/scottish-government-bans-fracking-scotland-paul-wheelhouse Where the Scottisg Govt listened to public consultation and banned it. A Govt listening to the people? Nah, just populism... You seem to damn them if they do (fracking) and damn them (and us, by voting Tory ) if they don't (indy ref2). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Boris said: So fracking in Scotland is simply an SNP conspiracy put out there, so they can then ban it? Really? Yes. They didn't invent it - it is a known technology but it is convenient to ban it as they think they will get support from those who dont understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 1 minute ago, deesidejambo said: Yes. They didn't invent it - it is a known technology but it is convenient to ban it as they think they will get support from those who dont understand it. FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 27 minutes ago, Boris said: FFS Yawn. You support importing frac gas from the US in the knowledge that it often comes from underneath populated areas? So its OK in your view for American citizens to be exposed to risk so that Scotland can profit. Some Socialist you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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