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Boris
3 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Anything containing the pretentious word neoliberalism is not worth reading. 

 

:rofl:

 

 

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SE16 3LN
23 minutes ago, Boris said:

It reminds me very much of the 70's and sadly it is the case across the UK, the states and of course the EU, all the so called advanced capitalist economic areas. The worrying thing is that Brexit, the global recession and the crisis in the Euro Zone are all about to make it worse.

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JamboX2
1 hour ago, Boris said:

 

Brexit, and the lack of imagination being shown by both the Tories and Labour, is really showing up the political "elite" of the UK at its worst.  What confidence do they give that they will be able to make things better post Brexit?

 

I agree. But the lack of intellect is displayed on the front benches. I think that will soon change.

 

1 hour ago, Boris said:

 

Therefore I wonder if we may drift into independence? I mean, we may get to the point where becoming independnet, regardless of consequence, will be seen as the better option?

 

Agreed. But that's hardly any better than a no deal, no plan Brexit.. 

 

1 hour ago, Boris said:

 

From the anecdotal evidence of some on this thread, it would appear that for many Brexit was very much taken with a "give a shit" mentality.  Arguably why then do it again over Scottish independence?  Perhaps because the perceived consequences are by then so marginal?

 

 

Again you're right. But none of that makes it a better choice inherently because it's there. Nor does it make the consequences any better to bear once they hit. 

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Ulysses

It seems that Arklow Shipping who were supposed to be backing Seaborne were never really involved and had no agreement in place with them.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/11/supposed-backer-of-no-ships-ferry-firm-says-they-had-no-deal?

 

Seaborne's management - headed up by someone who previously ran a shipping charter company on to the rocks with debts of €1.8m - are now hiding behind a confidentiality clause.

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Boris
8 minutes ago, JamboX2 said:

 

I agree. But the lack of intellect is displayed on the front benches. I think that will soon change.

 

I suspect Labour could do so much better.  I like Corbyn, I think his heart is in the right place, but he is flatlining now.  Yvette Cooper, for example, has shown more mettle over the current debacle than many in Labour.  Starmer is growing on me too.  As long as they don't forget the social aspect of what made Corbyn "popular".

 

On the Tory side...no, sorry.  Stumped.

 

8 minutes ago, JamboX2 said:

 

 

Agreed. But that's hardly any better than a no deal, no plan Brexit.. 

 

 

Again you're right. But none of that makes it a better choice inherently because it's there. Nor does it make the consequences any better to bear once they hit. 

 

I'm not saying it does, actually agreeing with your point, merely saying that frustration at brexit may play toward independence.

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JamboX2
40 minutes ago, Boris said:

 

I suspect Labour could do so much better.  I like Corbyn, I think his heart is in the right place, but he is flatlining now.  Yvette Cooper, for example, has shown more mettle over the current debacle than many in Labour.  Starmer is growing on me too.  As long as they don't forget the social aspect of what made Corbyn "popular".

 

On the Tory side...no, sorry.  Stumped.

 

Cooper for me. About time they had a woman leader. Starmer is superb as are Stella Creasy and David Lammy. Their front bench could be bolstered somewhat with the talent they have. And again agree with the social aspect.

 

Tories; Grieve, Clarke, Soubry, Morgan, Rudd... all better than the current mob.

 

40 minutes ago, Boris said:

 

I'm not saying it does, actually agreeing with your point, merely saying that frustration at brexit may play toward independence.

 

Totally agree. I just think sleep walking into it would be a horrendous miscalculation.

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Mikey1874
1 hour ago, Ulysses said:

It seems that Arklow Shipping who were supposed to be backing Seaborne were never really involved and had no agreement in place with them.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/11/supposed-backer-of-no-ships-ferry-firm-says-they-had-no-deal?

 

Seaborne's management - headed up by someone who previously ran a shipping charter company on to the rocks with debts of €1.8m - are now hiding behind a confidentiality clause.

 

Might be hard to keep secret.

 

Just depends if anyone wants to go after this and the other 'secret' deals and spending. UK has a lot of scrutiny over spending - Public Accounts Committee etc. 

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Mikey1874

I thought May's response to Corbyn was interesting. Like she was saying she had effectively negotiated a customs union with EU just they aren't calling it that. 

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Jambo100

All this is due to the Unions.They backed the wrong brother.David would have walked the 2015 election.Rather than help the members the unions have destroyed jobs and the country.Brexit only happened because of the split in the Tory party..The Tories have record employment and record low unemployment and still not happy.

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Boris
1 hour ago, Jambo100 said:

All this is due to the Unions.They backed the wrong brother.David would have walked the 2015 election.Rather than help the members the unions have destroyed jobs and the country.Brexit only happened because of the split in the Tory party..The Tories have record employment and record low unemployment and still not happy.

 

It's all the fault ofthe Trades Unions?

 

Heard it all now...

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Dusk_Till_Dawn

Honestly so fecking bored of this 

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Victorian

"No deal MUST remain on the table as a negotiating position".

 

There are no ****ing negotiations going on.

 

Funny how it's only the MPs who state that no deal is nothing to fear who parrot out this shite.

 

PM is accused of running down the clock to frighten MPs into finally accepting her deal.    She denies.    Her reasoning for the denial is that she cannot have run down the clock for the reason that she brought back her deal from the EU at some point in the past.    

 

Yes Maybot,   we know.    But that's not why everyone knows you're running down the clock.    As well as the reason.

 

Yet she gets away with this obvious and obtuse dishonesty.     

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Dannie Boy
6 minutes ago, Victorian said:

There are no ****ing negotiations going on.

 

There are negotiations going on be in no doubt about that. They won’t be public and there will be a deal (transition deal).

I've said this all along that there will be a last minute Transition deal followed but a future trading deal. It’s in the interests of both parties to get this done.

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Victorian
1 minute ago, Dannie Boy said:

 

There are negotiations going on be in no doubt about that. They won’t be public and there will be a deal (transition deal).

I've said this all along that there will be a last minute Transition deal followed but a future trading deal. It’s in the interests of both parties to get this done.

 

There can only be a transition on the express understanding of a satisfactory backstop on Ireland.     There will be a future relationship but only after lengthy future relationship treaty negotiations.

 

There is no second stage transition to facilitate the primary transition.    Only a deal to facilitate a solely existing transition.     It must contain a backstop on Ireland.      No ifs or maybes.    

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Victorian

The only other option is for the Tory red lines to be binned and a deal negotiated on the basis of the UK remaining in the or very similar bespoke customs union.     May has chosen to veto this in order that the Tory Party remains together snd for her to remain as the PM for a bit longer.     National interest,   we are told.

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Toggie88
16 minutes ago, Victorian said:

The only other option is for the Tory red lines to be binned and a deal negotiated on the basis of the UK remaining in the or very similar bespoke customs union.     May has chosen to veto this in order that the Tory Party remains together snd for her to remain as the PM for a bit longer.     National interest,   we are told.

 

Spot on. 

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NANOJAMBO
22 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said:

 

There are negotiations going on be in no doubt about that. They won’t be public and there will be a deal (transition deal).

I've said this all along that there will be a last minute Transition deal followed but a future trading deal. It’s in the interests of both parties to get this done.

Varadkar dismissed that idea recently when May was in Dublin & Belfast - he said negotiations take place with EU/UK govt and no one else.  Merkel has gone out of her way to publicly dismiss  the Sun for their distorted version of a recent meeting between  UK & Germany. Yet Jeremy Hunt says today he's off to Europe for negotiations with his EU counterparts. It's all wishful thinking to convince the UK viewers that UK is bending over backwards to fix this mess and it's the nasty EU who refuse to negotiate.

The WA is done & dusted  - the best  May will get is some form of words (which you can be sure will have no legal standing  vis a vis the WA) which her own party will reject. 

 

Interesting article here on how some of her party see No-Deal as a realistic (maybe even desirable) outcome.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-no-deal-brexit-fallback-plan_uk_5c617348e4b0910c63f30fc8?utm_hp_ref=uk-theresa-may

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Dannie Boy
17 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

There can only be a transition on the express understanding of a satisfactory backstop on Ireland.     There will be a future relationship but only after lengthy future relationship treaty negotiations.

 

There is no second stage transition to facilitate the primary transition.    Only a deal to facilitate a solely existing transition.     It must contain a backstop on Ireland.      No ifs or maybes.    

 

I still say the Back Stop will be altered. How I don’t know but it has to be. Look at ot this way if we exit on the 29th and there is no transition deal in place then the Back Stop doesn’t matter. The EU and the UK negotiation team agreed a Back Stop but it’s the main stumbling block at the moment. However if May gets a majority for the existing deal and it gets voted through then the DUP will pull the plug and it will be a GE. If there is a GE according to the latest polls the Tories would regain a majority as Corbyn is unelectable as a PM. I realise it’s polls I’m referring to which could well be ballocks. 

 

For me I'm of to Tenerife for six weeks on Friday, return on the 27th March. I could have and wanted to stay longer but I didn’t want to chance it. I’m sure there will be a deal but didn’t want to take a chance and get stranded. Not that is mind🌞🍺🍷

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Dannie Boy
13 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

Varadkar dismissed that idea recently when May was in Dublin & Belfast - he said negotiations take place with EU/UK govt and no one else.  Merkel has gone out of her way to publicly dismiss  the Sun for their distorted version of a recent meeting between  UK & Germany. Yet Jeremy Hunt says today he's off to Europe for negotiations with his EU counterparts. It's all wishful thinking to convince the UK viewers that UK is bending over backwards to fix this mess and it's the nasty EU who refuse to negotiate.

The WA is done & dusted  - the best  May will get is some form of words (which you can be sure will have no legal standing  vis a vis the WA) which her own party will reject. 

 

Interesting article here on how some of her party see No-Deal as a realistic (maybe even desirable) outcome.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-no-deal-brexit-fallback-plan_uk_5c617348e4b0910c63f30fc8?utm_hp_ref=uk-theresa-may

 

It amazes me that people like yourself think there is no negotiating taking place. You have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, neither do I for that matter but does anyone think that nothing is happening. Don’t forget this is the EU who have history of last second deals. 

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Victorian
15 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said:

 

I still say the Back Stop will be altered. How I don’t know but it has to be. Look at ot this way if we exit on the 29th and there is no transition deal in place then the Back Stop doesn’t matter. The EU and the UK negotiation team agreed a Back Stop but it’s the main stumbling block at the moment. However if May gets a majority for the existing deal and it gets voted through then the DUP will pull the plug and it will be a GE. If there is a GE according to the latest polls the Tories would regain a majority as Corbyn is unelectable as a PM. I realise it’s polls I’m referring to which could well be ballocks. 

 

For me I'm of to Tenerife for six weeks on Friday, return on the 27th March. I could have and wanted to stay longer but I didn’t want to chance it. I’m sure there will be a deal but didn’t want to take a chance and get stranded. Not that is mind🌞🍺🍷

 

That scenario is an irony for the Tory 'loyal rump'.     The ones who cannot conceive of any other course than to meekly fall in line behind the government.    That they would continue to vote for May's deal,    which if successful,   could lead the DUP to tear up the confidence & supply arrangement,   which could lead to an election,   which puts individual sitting MPs in peril of being ousted at the ballot,   or even deselected by their local parties.

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Dannie Boy
16 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

That scenario is an irony for the Tory 'loyal rump'.     The ones who cannot conceive of any other course than to meekly fall in line behind the government.    That they would continue to vote for May's deal,    which if successful,   could lead the DUP to tear up the confidence & supply arrangement,   which could lead to an election,   which puts individual sitting MPs in peril of being ousted at the ballot,   or even deselected by their local parties.

 

Throw into that lot a Labour split which is be muted in the press at present AND the rerun of Nigel and his new one ticket party. 

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Victorian
1 minute ago, Dannie Boy said:

 

Throw into that lot a Labour split which is be muted in the press at present AND the rerun of Nigel and his new one ticket party. 

 

The leading Labour grumblers could not be more transparent if they tried.    Corbyn is being bizarrely accused of being a facilitator of a Tory Brexit.     Yet his strategy and stated preferred outcomes couldn't be further from anything the Tories have proposed,   government or other factions.

 

The Labour grumblers are rank opportunists.      Total wankers.

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Mikey1874
40 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said:

 

It amazes me that people like yourself think there is no negotiating taking place. You have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, neither do I for that matter but does anyone think that nothing is happening. Don’t forget this is the EU who have history of last second deals. 

 

Public enough

 

But meetings might not be negotiations

 

 

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Dannie Boy
15 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

The leading Labour grumblers could not be more transparent if they tried.    Corbyn is being bizarrely accused of being a facilitator of a Tory Brexit.     Yet his strategy and stated preferred outcomes couldn't be further from anything the Tories have proposed,   government or other factions.

 

The Labour grumblers are rank opportunists.      Total wankers.

 

Muted🤣

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Toggie88
48 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said:

 

It amazes me that people like yourself think there is no negotiating taking place. You have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, neither do I for that matter but does anyone think that nothing is happening. Don’t forget this is the EU who have history of last second deals. 

 

The EU's position has been stated time and time again by several different officials and EU leaders. 

 

While I agree with you on your last point, the EU is actually a very flexible institution when it needs to be. However, the position it is at the moment can't just be fixed with a little flexibility from the EU. There's a fundamental impasse in the negotiations and the EU hold the cards. 

 

May's now running down the clock for the sake of the Conservative party and remaining in number 10. Quite despicable when you think about it. 

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Dannie Boy
14 minutes ago, Toggie88 said:

 

The EU's position has been stated time and time again by several different officials and EU leaders. 

 

While I agree with you on your last point, the EU is actually a very flexible institution when it needs to be. However, the position it is at the moment can't just be fixed with a little flexibility from the EU. There's a fundamental impasse in the negotiations and the EU hold the cards. 

 

May's now running down the clock for the sake of the Conservative party and remaining in number 10. Quite despicable when you think about it. 

 

On the surface the EU are holding the line. Which is more than can be said to the UK and the disconnected approach we’ve got.

Your last bit is political and may or may not be correct. It’s an assumption at best with no proof. 

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Toggie88
1 minute ago, Dannie Boy said:

 

On the surface the EU are holding the line. Which is more than can be said to the UK and the disconnected approach we’ve got.

Your last bit is political and may or may not be correct. It’s an assumption at best with no proof. 

 

It may well be, but so is your assumption that there's negotiating going on behind scenes. 

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Dannie Boy
15 minutes ago, Toggie88 said:

 

It may well be, but so is your assumption that there's negotiating going on behind scenes. 

 

I acknowledged that. Let’s be realistic though, does anyone really think no one is speaking off camera! 

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Victorian

It would actually suit both sides to publicise any progress.    As an encouragement to parliament that an acceptable deal is still possible.    Some degree of hope for business throughout Europe.     

 

If May was making ANY sort of impression on the EU... we would be being told all about her success.

 

Nah.  No way Pedro.    All intimations of so-called negotiations are entirely fantasy.

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Toggie88
18 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said:

 

I acknowledged that. Let’s be realistic though, does anyone really think no one is speaking off camera! 

 

We know they are speaking off camera, however do you really believe that anything of substance is actually being 'negotiated'?

 

We know what both sides red lines are, and we know there's no possible way of both parties getting what they want without one of them caving. So what can they be negotiating? 

 

We're now in a situation where a no deal scenario might be in the best interest of the Prime Minister and Conservative party, but the complete opposite for what is best for the country.

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Dannie Boy
1 minute ago, Toggie88 said:

, however do you really believe that anything of substance is actually being 'negotiated'?

 

Who knows. I don’t and you don’t. 

4 minutes ago, Toggie88 said:

, but the complete opposite for what is best for the country.

 

In your opinion. 

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Toggie88
2 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said:

 

In your opinion. 

 

And every economist's.

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jake
1 hour ago, Victorian said:

 

The leading Labour grumblers could not be more transparent if they tried.    Corbyn is being bizarrely accused of being a facilitator of a Tory Brexit.     Yet his strategy and stated preferred outcomes couldn't be further from anything the Tories have proposed,   government or other factions.

 

The Labour grumblers are rank opportunists.      Total wankers.

There's delusion folks.

That's all for now.

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Dannie Boy
4 minutes ago, Toggie88 said:

 

And every economist's.

 

Including the ones that are saying the EU finances are on the down. 

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Toggie88
Just now, Dannie Boy said:

Including the ones that are saying the EU finances are on the down. 

Don't think they're advocating a no deal, are they? 

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Dannie Boy
15 minutes ago, Toggie88 said:

Don't think they're advocating a no deal, are they? 

 

No idea.Have you asked them? 

The EU down turn is a China driven event, very little to do with Brexit if at all.

I’ve read that there’s 100k VW workers jobs in  Germany at risk due to Brexit. This whole thing and it’s initial Detrimental effects is not just impacting on the UK. If these jobs are in fact at risk I’m sure businesses in Germany will be lobbying the EU to seek to over come any perceived differences and difficulties. 

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Ulysses
27 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said:

 

No idea.Have you asked them? 

The EU down turn is a China driven event, very little to do with Brexit if at all.

I’ve read that there’s 100k VW workers jobs in  Germany at risk due to Brexit. This whole thing and it’s initial Detrimental effects is not just impacting on the UK. If these jobs are in fact at risk I’m sure businesses in Germany will be lobbying the EU to seek to over come any perceived differences and difficulties. 

 

 

Can you find a source for your "I've read that" quote?  The UK accounts for somewhere between 2 and 2.5 percent of VW's sales.  The company employs about 640,000 people.  If they lose 2 to 2.5 percent of sales and that were to mean they had to lay people off (which it probably wouldn't given VW's way of operating), that would come nowhere near 100,000.  That's the entire VW group, by the way.

 

Like every other major exporter in the EU 27, VW sells far more to the Single Market than it does to the UK.  That's the key market to protect, and that's what both VW and the German government will seek to do.

 

I've said it before, but it bears repeating.  If the EU 27 is asked to make concessions to the UK that risk its internal market, it cannot and will not do so, because that internal market is almost seven times as big, and seven times more important.

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NANOJAMBO
4 hours ago, Dannie Boy said:

 

It amazes me that people like yourself think there is no negotiating taking place. You have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, neither do I for that matter but does anyone think that nothing is happening. Don’t forget this is the EU who have history of last second deals. 

I don't think there is no negotiating taking place, EU negotiators have said so and this is backed up by Varadkar, Merkel and senior ministers in EU who all say  - WA is done and will not be renegotiated. How many times do they have  to say it ? If there IS negotiating going on it WILL not affect WA because  if it did , the whole EU position / negotiations on the future relationship are going to be very difficult because EU will have demonstrated they are weak. This is a game of bluff by May. Why is Jeremy Hunt saying he is off to Poland for "negotiations" when May has already come back from Brussels last week, empty handed. This is all wishful thinking so that if No Deal happens the media will try to pin it all on Brussels. But Brussels don't care. 

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NANOJAMBO
1 hour ago, Dannie Boy said:

 

No idea.Have you asked them? 

The EU down turn is a China driven event, very little to do with Brexit if at all.

I’ve read that there’s 100k VW workers jobs in  Germany at risk due to Brexit. This whole thing and it’s initial Detrimental effects is not just impacting on the UK. If these jobs are in fact at risk I’m sure businesses in Germany will be lobbying the EU to seek to over come any perceived differences and difficulties. 

You've been Googling the Daily Fascist website, haven't you ?

They said this .....

  • Wolfsburg, the home of Volkswagen, could see as many as 500 jobs under threat

The whole article is pure invention

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ri Alban
5 hours ago, jake said:

There's delusion folks.

That's all for now.

100, 000 VW jobs at risk, quoted by Danny Toryboy.  Now that's delusional. Anyone who thinks that the UK leaving the EU will somehow destroy it, need to find another God to pray to, as he's busy pissing himself laughing.

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The Mighty Thor
9 hours ago, Victorian said:

It would actually suit both sides to publicise any progress.    As an encouragement to parliament that an acceptable deal is still possible.    Some degree of hope for business throughout Europe.     

 

If May was making ANY sort of impression on the EU... we would be being told all about her success.

 

Nah.  No way Pedro.    All intimations of so-called negotiations are entirely fantasy.

Here's an update for you. From the department of International trade, led by Liam Fox. It's a list of the 'Easiest Trade Deals in history' that he's managed to secure with 40 odd days to go;

 

Switzerland

Chile

Eastern African block

Southern African block

Faroe islands

 

That's the list of global superpowers we have deals in place with. With 44 days to go. 

 

This time next year Rodney, we'll be Millionaires.....

 

:cornette:

 

 

 

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Dannie Boy
8 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

 

Can you find a source for your "I've read that" quote?  The UK accounts for somewhere between 2 and 2.5 percent of VW's sales.  The company employs about 640,000 people.  If they lose 2 to 2.5 percent of sales and that were to mean they had to lay people off (which it probably wouldn't given VW's way of operating), that would come nowhere near 100,000.  That's the entire VW group, by the way.

 

Like every other major exporter in the EU 27, VW sells far more to the Single Market than it does to the UK.  That's the key market to protect, and that's what both VW and the German government will seek to do.

 

I've said it before, but it bears repeating.  If the EU 27 is asked to make concessions to the UK that risk its internal market, it cannot and will not do so, because that internal market is almost seven times as big, and seven times more important.

 

7 hours ago, NANOJAMBO said:

You've been Googling the Daily Fascist website, haven't you ?

They said this .....

  • Wolfsburg, the home of Volkswagen, could see as many as 500 jobs under threat

The whole article is pure invention

 

 

An influential economic research centre has warned that 100,000 jobs could be put at risk in Germany if the UK leaves the EU without securing a deal. 

The study by the Halle Institute for Economic Research found that jobs in the car industry would be particularly vulnerable to the uncertainties created by Britain tumbling out of the EU without securing a favourable trading relationship.

Export giant Germany sold 770,000 vehicles to the UK in 2017 and 15,000 jobs in its automobile sector are reliant on this huge level of trade.

The study estimates that Wolfsburg, hometown of Volkswagen, would be hit hardest by a collapse in exports that would result from a no-deal exit.

Some 500 jobs, or roughly...

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/02/10/100000-german-jobs-risk-no-deal-brexit/

 

My 100,000 VW jobs was obviously wrong as it was recalled from memory when it was discussing it but my point is and was lots of jobs COULD be lost  on all sides due to a Brexit with no deal. 

Like all these assertions and figures of losses they are all guess work educated or otherwise. 

 

 

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JamboX2
11 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Public enough

 

But meetings might not be negotiations

 

 

 

I'd pay a lot for a PM who was as intelligent and honest as Guy Verhofstadt. 

 

The European nations with consensual government produce much more rounded and intelligent leadership than the opportunist brand we get like Cameron and May.

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Boris
1 hour ago, JamboX2 said:

 

I'd pay a lot for a PM who was as intelligent and honest as Guy Verhofstadt. 

 

The European nations with consensual government produce much more rounded and intelligent leadership than the opportunist brand we get like Cameron and May.

 

You have just described 21st century Conservatism exactly as it is.  Spivism of the highest order.

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Toggie88
1 hour ago, JamboX2 said:

 

I'd pay a lot for a PM who was as intelligent and honest as Guy Verhofstadt. 

 

The European nations with consensual government produce much more rounded and intelligent leadership than the opportunist brand we get like Cameron and May.

 

Indeed - the whole Brexit process has made the idea of a federal Europe all the more appealing! 

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3 hours ago, JamboX2 said:

 

I'd pay a lot for a PM who was as intelligent and honest as Guy Verhofstadt. 

 

The European nations with consensual government produce much more rounded and intelligent leadership than the opportunist brand we get like Cameron and May.

Sadly they are thin on the ground.

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1 hour ago, Toggie88 said:

 

Indeed - the whole Brexit process has made the idea of a federal Europe all the more appealing! 

The opposite in my opinion, unless you want an imperialist super state grabbing land and money from the workers in the interests of the global cartels.

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"Ministers have been warned not to be lured into Brexit discussions with their UK counterparts amid deep unease over how a meeting between the Irish and UK attorney generals was portrayed.

The Government believes details of Séamus Woulfe's meeting with Geoffrey Cox was leaked in advance to the UK media as part of a bid to "make it more than it was".

The engagement, which took place in Dublin last Friday, was reported as a discussion on how legally binding changes could be made to the backstop in the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement.

 

However, the EU and Ireland have repeatedly stated that the Withdrawal Agreement will not be reopened under any circumstances.

In a sign of the distrust between the two governments, senior Irish ministers were yesterday told to be sceptical about any requests for meetings from the UK.

"There is a fear they will try to 'bilateralise' ministers like what was done to the Attorney General," said a source.

As a member of the EU27, the Irish Government has always insisted that it cannot negotiate on a bilateral basis with the UK.

In the House of Commons yesterday, Prime Minister Theresa May cited the meeting between the two attorney generals as a sign of progress in her mission to get the backstop changed......

 

"The talks are at a crucial stage," Mrs May told parliament. "We now all need to hold our nerve to get the changes this House requires and deliver Brexit on time."

 

Full article here - https://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/ministers-warned-to-be-wary-of-meeting-requests-from-uk-37811456.html

 

Juncker went out of his way to tweet he doesn't know what May is talking about - there are no talks. May is all but lying to Parliament to delay this. 

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