iantjambo Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Looks unlikely that we'll have him next season as he falls out of our budget. http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl-lower-divisions/genero-zeefuik-fee-is-out-of-reach-for-hearts-1-3730654 A shame but it's good to see we have people who won't allow the crazy spending of previous regimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fxxx the SPFL Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Looks unlikely that we'll have him next season as he falls out of our budget. http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl-lower-divisions/genero-zeefuik-fee-is-out-of-reach-for-hearts-1-3730654 A shame but it's good to see we have people who won't allow the crazy spending of previous regimes. correct we have to live within our means having said that Genaro was not getting a game in Groningen's first team and possibly unlikely to in the future so they might be happy to offload him for ?100k. The fact that he is rattling in the goals has probably made some other clubs take a look at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendricks Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 So nothing we didn't suspect already then. Hearts won't spend 300k on Zeefuik. No surprise there but it doesn't mean there is not every possibility that Groningen want rid and a deal can be achieved that suits all parties. Robbie states he's a player Hearts want to keep which is encouraging and there is plenty more mileage in this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Saying to Groningen and Genero: We want to keep you, try and come to some arrangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Robbie once again saying the right things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haken Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Good stuff. Doing things properly. I didn't realise that Zee had quite a bit of a contract left to run. Might be a possibility to extend the loan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeno Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Also saying that the 300k bandied about is a lot of pish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swavkav Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 His parent club have not set a fee for him to stay with us on a perm, so who knows what can & will happen, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son Of Anarchy Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Saying to Groningen and Genero: We want to keep you, try and come to some arrangement. Exactly this and rightly so. If we get him on loan again great. If not? Thanks big man and best of luck wherever you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Exactly this and rightly so. If we get him on loan again great. If not? Thanks big man and best of luck wherever you go. I think his club have already stated they don't want another loan deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanbauld Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Could just be the Hearts management trying to force a price statement from Groningen who seem to be hoping for a bidding war. Realistically Zee has been fun and his first touch and hold up play is superb but he has weaknesses and I think we could replace him and El Hass with better and at not a great cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 correct we have to live within our means having said that Genaro was not getting a game in Groningen's first team and possibly unlikely to in the future so they might be happy to offload him for ?100k. The fact that he is rattling in the goals has probably made some other clubs take a look at him.Even ?100k can be used up somewhere else on wages.I just don't think we are at a stage where we can be forking out fees on players yet but of course Levein and Neilson will know best how to use the budget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 It's called bargaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Negotiating tactics nothing more. We may get him or we may lose out just have to see which way the penny drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Loblaw Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Nothing new in this really. We'd like to keep him if the price is right but we won't pay over the odds, which is fair enough. Personally though I'd rather we tried to find out what the deal is as soon as possible. With the league already in the bag I'd rather giver Sow, Keatings and Oliver game time over Zeefuik if there's no chance he'll be a Hearts player next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john brownlee Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 It's called bargaining.its called the hobsman Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahgrassyshoes Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Whilst Zeefuick has been great for us, it is unlikely anybody will be offering ?300000 or even that many Euros for him on the back if a handful of games in the championship. I said when he first came Goiningen would end up letting him leave for nothing if a club came in. I still suspect that will be the case; however, he has made a far greater impact that I expected as well. He'd need to increase his self discipline to get in shape if he was ever going to justify a fee. While he'll never be Hen Broon, there is a lot of weight he could shed and it would make a massive difference for him. While he's been good at linking the play, he's very immobile and better defenders wouldn't find him half as difficult to deal with as if he was a bit slimmer and more mobile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon tinted glasses 2 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Nothing new in this really. We'd like to keep him if the price is right but we won't pay over the odds, which is fair enough. Personally though I'd rather we tried to find out what the deal is as soon as possible. With the league already in the bag I'd rather giver Sow, Keatings and Oliver game time over Zeefuik if there's no chance he'll be a Hearts player next season. Hearts will already know exactly what deal is in place as these things are usually agreed in the initial loan agreements. If not then its basically Hearts saying we would rather return him onto your payroll whilst sitting in the reserves than pay a stupid fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerry Jambo Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I think his club have already stated they don't want another loan deal. They did indeed........I think we may get him if both parties are all for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 ?100K pay up ?1K/week for 100 weeks or GTF Thats should do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Of course Robbie isn't going to come out and say "We've got shedloads of cash in the bank and will def be forking out on players". Who knows, we might have the ?300k, but we certainly won't be telling Gronigen that... Start with a ?50k offer and take it from there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 They may be happy just to get him off the wage bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasavallan Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 They did indeed........I think we may get him if both parties are all for it This is my view, too. However, let's not get hung up about Groningen's valuation of the player. As far as Groningen is concerned they have a few options: 1) He is in their future plans and they want him back in their 1st team squad. 2) He is not in their plans and they believe they can sell him to another European club for their valuation price. 3) He is not in their plans and they will sell him for whatever money they can get. 4) Sevco have offered 3M for the player. Of course a big influence on what happens is Zeefuik's own preference. If he is happy in Edinburgh and wants to stay at Hearts then I am sure the clubs will negotiate a deal of some sort. Zeefuik is looking far fitter and leaner than when he first came,but he may revert to his previous state if he returns to Groningen, so maybe he is reluctant to return to his old ways. My own opinion is that; as he gets fitter and leaner under Neilson he will become a better player for us in the Premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Does Zeefuik want to stay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackal Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 The days of us paying 300 k for a player are a long way off. The club have already shown they can pick a player so why would they spend so much when they could find another gem for minimum cost. I also think if Zee goes back not many clubs will take a chance on him regardless of what he has done with us this season, after all its hardly top class competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corryjambo Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Does Zeefuik want to stay? Probably the most important point. If he does not want to stay we are all wasting our time speculating on an outcome, if however he really likes it here I would guess the clubs will come to some agreement as Groningen would not want an unhappy player back on their hands. edit: just noticed Tasavallan makes the same point in his post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Does Zeefuik want to stay? I would be very surprised if he doesn't - scoring goals, playing regularly, good response from fans, nice City - what is there not to like? I think as usual Robbie is playing a blinder here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the big show Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Does Zeefuik want to stay? He has already quoted that he is very happy hear so i would take from that he does want to stay , I just hope a deal can be sorted as i have no doubt that him and sow would score plenty in the premier and not only that will make the club money when the right offer came in for them . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Still think there's a good chance he'll be here ext year. They're not going to get ?300,000 from anyone, especially if we're not willing to pay it. So they either take a hit or keep him and continue paying his wages and hope his Hearts form carries on for them, given how far out of the picture he was there that seems unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.T.K Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Does Zeefuik want to stay? He was in the papers a few weeks ago saying he wanted to stay, however "?The ball is in Genero?s court and Groningen?s." I take this as he might need adjust his wage expectation which will be factor of him wanting to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandjambo3 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Pay the dosh.........1 year contract......................bang more goals in..............................sell for 500k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Don Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 There's a lot of mileage in this possible deal yet. I'm certain were only at the first round of negotiations if even that far. It could be just RN using the media wisely to say we haven't got the readies. We might have we might not but whatever you don't go in with your best offer straight from the start. There is also potential for addons to any arrangement ie. % of future sale, X amount after so many appearances or goals, instalment payments after X amount of games and so on. There are any amount of options open in negotiating deals. This isn't dead yet Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shed Floodlight Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Could just be the Hearts management trying to force a price statement from Groningen who seem to be hoping for a bidding war. Realistically Zee has been fun and his first touch and hold up play is superb but he has weaknesses and I think we could replace him and El Hass with better and at not a great cost. Why?? is El Hass leaving?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Le Clos Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Pay the dosh.........1 year contract......................bang more goals in..............................sell for 500k Alternatively - pay the dosh, he doesn't replicate his form in the Premiership, and we're stuck with a player we've paid over the odds for. It's a no brainer for me. If we can sign him within our budget then fine. If we can't, we shouldn't. It was paying outwith our means that got us into a mess. Luckily, I don't think there is any chance of Budge letting that happen. Regarding Zeefuik though, I wouldn't be surprised if we sign him but as has been said it won't be for anywhere near ?300k. I also think there will be player available on free transfers who are at least as good as him. It's about balancing transfer fees and wage demands to get the best deal possible though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Yup. Budget comes first. They found him they can find someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amoruso_lets_it_run Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Pay the dosh.........1 year contract......................bang more goals in..............................sell for 500k If we got him on a 1 year contract then he could leave for free the following summer which would be the worst case for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Jambo Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Why?? is El Hass leaving?? [/quoteI hope so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauld Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Every time I see a Zeefuik thread I'm terrified to even look. Comments saying he is immobile. Unfit We could replace him and El Hass (Wtf!?) with better. I don't want us to fork out 300k for him but that is not to say he isn't worth that. In our situation at 300k we should look elsewhere for players but if we can beat that price down we should go for it. Zeefuik has other qualities but his number one quality is he scores goals. If you have a goalscorer in your team then you are going to win more games than you lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the big show Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Every time I see a Zeefuik thread I'm terrified to even look. Comments saying he is immobile. Unfit We could replace him and El Hass (Wtf!?) with better. I don't want us to fork out 300k for him but that is not to say he isn't worth that. In our situation at 300k we should look elsewhere for players but if we can beat that price down we should go for it. Zeefuik has other qualities but his number one quality is he scores goals. If you have a goalscorer in your team then you are going to win more games than you lose. 100 % This . although i think he is well worth 3ook . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauld Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 100 % This . although i think he is well worth 3ook . I said I don't want us to pay 300k on him but at the same time I'm not saying he isn't worth that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Le Clos Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I said I don't want us to pay 300k on him but at the same time I'm not saying he isn't worth that. That's the key point. What he's worth and what Hearts can pay are totally different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Looks unlikely that we'll have him next season as he falls out of our budget. http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl-lower-divisions/genero-zeefuik-fee-is-out-of-reach-for-hearts-1-3730654 A shame but it's good to see we have people who won't allow the crazy spending of previous regimes. The article did mention that the ?300k fee has not come from Gronigan (sic). So who knows what sort of horse trading can be done. He might even pull a Webster to play for the famous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 It's called bargaining. negotiating. Hibs may seek bargains but the big team negotiates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queensferryjambo Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Well if we cannot keep him for the right deal it is a shame but good luck to him in the future. Zeefuik has done a great job in a period when we were struggling with Sow, El Hass and Carrick out injured. He will definitely be one of those players who will IMO become a cult hero for the fans to talk about in seasons to come. Especially after he rattles in a few at Easter Road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Everyone is missing one key message in the article Robbie has stated that the ?300k figure hasnt come from Gronigen. They havent asked for ?300k. We are not talking about a negotation down from ?300k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeno Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 ne'ermind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanbauld Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Every club in Europe knows he is available, how many are in for him ? the answer is his current valuation. If he leaves its not so much his goalscoring we would miss it would be his hold up play and excellent first touch. Lets face it there are weaknesses, with the natural build he has he is not going to get in many towering headers or break aways from the half way line, fine if the rest of the team can compensate for his weaknesses and thrive from his strengths which they seem to do just now but what if a forward becomes available who is strong in the air, fast over the ground, can hold up play and has a good first touch (bit like Sow), Would we be wrong to strengthen the team at Zee's expense ? Thats the strategy Robbie has used since taking over and I dont hear much criticism of that (now) ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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