HMFC 86 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/latest-news/hibs-fan-says-burning-flare-at-derby-could-have-left-his-son-blind-1-2726369 Typical banner headline in the hobos news, now nearly a week after the derby. Was this a flare (or smoke bomb) and was it Hearts fans that threw it? I heard some suggestion the h1b5 section 43 had flares... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyJenkins Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Looked like a smoke bomb to me. Regardless, if it was a Hearts fan, it was a really daft thing to do. As for teh Evening Hobo gtf... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groot Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 it was a smoke bomb 100% edit - reading the comments the father doesn't come across too bad, people need to understand the difference between a flare and a smoke bomb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory House M.D. Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Andy Walker, yer a ###### Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigieboy Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Taking your kid that age to a volatile derby. Shame on the parent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFC4ME Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 the kid sounds like more of a man than the dad. also in the article its says it landed by the kids feet, I'd hardly say that's "inches" from a blinding/disfiguring injury can someone enlighten me, if the game was on sky sports surely all it takes to find out if it was thrown is for someone to rewind sky+ no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Taking your kid that age to a volatile derby. Shame on the parent. Behave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 We get some amount of bad press eh? Disproportionate even. Whoever threw it is a ****** though, Nae need. Was it definitely a Heart's supporter by the way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenor Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I thought the general opinion on here before was that a Hearts fan wouldn't have been able to throw a smoke bomb that far. From where I was sitting it looked like a fair distance from fans in section G. Could it not have maybe been a Hibs fan attempting to throw it over to us but missed spectacularly; a bit like the stupid tw*t of a Tim who throw a flare into their own set of fans at Tynie not long ago? Today, Andrew Snr, 33, said the reckless actions of one rival supporter could have blinded his son Seems a bit presumptuous when we don't know where it came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 No mention of the Hibs Section 43 youtube video which clearly showed Hibs fans with proper flares and smoke bombs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFC 86 Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share Posted January 9, 2013 No mention of the Hibs Section 43 youtube video which clearly showed Hibs fans with proper flares and smoke bombs. Seemed an awfy big coincidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambo85 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 If a Hearts fan did through it then whoever it was must have had an arm like John Elway in his day because that is some distance to through a smoke bomb. Seems strange that Hibs fans were letting of maroon and red flares / smoke bombs on their march before the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigieboy Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 We get some amount of bad press eh? Disproportionate even. Whoever threw it is a ****** though, Nae need. Was it definitely a Heart's supporter by the way? Unproven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 No mention of the Hibs Section 43 youtube video which clearly showed Hibs fans with proper flares and smoke bombs. Lots of them, and all of them apparently red/maroon. Interesting the article doesn't mention the allegiance of the ball boy spitter. Puzzled why police CCTV which must surely have been focussing on that corner of the ground can't shed any light on the incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I thought the general opinion on here before was that a Hearts fan wouldn't have been able to throw a smoke bomb that far. From where I was sitting it looked like a fair distance from fans in section G. Could it not have maybe been a Hibs fan attempting to throw it over to us but missed spectacularly; a bit like the stupid tw*t of a Tim who throw a flare into their own set of fans at Tynie not long ago? Seems a bit presumptuous when we don't know where it came from. A couple of posters on here said it was definitely from our end. The polis are monitoring forums and camera footage apparently so no doubt these guys will be asked about what they saw... Personally -having not seen the incident other than the smoke- I had been convinced that it was Hibs supporters who let it off, as the Sect42 YouTube video seems to back up... If it was not for a couple of forum members saying it came from the Hearts end then I'd be pretty sceptical likes. How sure is everyone that this was not a sect42 smokebomb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Taking your kid that age to a volatile derby. Shame on the parent. Dont you know the children are our future!! No reason kids cant go to derby matches if knuckle draggers can step out the 80s and behave like normal human beings or just not act like total twats at the football!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john brownlee Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 how about this....... some hobbit threw the smoke/flare to section G but hit the floodlight tower bouncing back into the h1b5 end looking like it came from the Hearts end deflecting the evidence as in the eveninghobit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cwapsy1874 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 If the smoke bomb was green would he gone to the evening news? I can't help but think he is just trying to get Hearts in trouble here. Is he annoyed at the smoke bomb going off or is he annoyed because he thinks Hearts fans threw it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboSimo Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 how about this....... some hobbit threw the smoke/flare to section G but hit the floodlight tower bouncing back into the h1b5 end looking like it came from the Hearts end deflecting the evidence as in the eveninghobit Did that happen? I did hear it was from Hearts end but that would be fantastic if it was true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Can we stop calling it a flare please, it was a pissy wee smoke bomb that you can buy if you go paint-balling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc22 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 No mention of the Hibs Section 43 youtube video which clearly showed Hibs fans with proper flares and smoke bombs. Happend to be the same colour as the ones in the video as well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Chelsea have just announced that fans risk arrest for attempting to enter grounds with smoke bombs or flares and reminded fans that the club gets in trouble when eejits set them off in the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Marius Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 As horrific an experience it must have been for the poor lad (regardless of whether it was a smoke bomb or flare, that's not the point as the wee lad wasn't to know the difference), why does the parent have to go running to the Evening News to "sell" his story? Surely you wouldn't want to keep dragging up the whole sorry mess and put your kid through the hassle of being photographed in the media. Where was the ballboy who got spat on story? Will he get a turn to tell the world and have a front page spread about him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 This smells the same as the time ratboy got coined at Tynie and was quick to blame the Hearts fans. Of course, we remember how that turned out ,eh Deek? Maybe the club could comment now and again when we get this crap in the press? It all seems rather one-sided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bainy Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I never seen it till the smoke in the stand but my mate said it came from our end and was some throw to get it to where it went off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo1874 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Taking your kid that age to a volatile derby. Shame on the parent. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I have major doubts it came from the Hearts end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EreWeG0.. Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Andy walker, a proper phannys name... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I never seen it till the smoke in the stand but my mate said it came from our end and was some throw to get it to where it went off. Who threw it superman, there has been some posters saying the distance needed to be overcomed was impossible,looks and smells like a Hobo feck up, there are very good at attempting various things but it usually ends up a farce, that in its self reeks and sounds like it was concocted and instigated by a bunch of Hobo bairns, from their lady flags and card display antics at the final to that hilarious card display at Easter Road in the first derby this year surely points to a section of Mr Bean like Hobos who are behind this incident at Tynie, there is even u-tube evidence of them with these smoke bombs BEFORE the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Wiseau Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 A couple of posters on here said it was definitely from our end. The polis are monitoring forums and camera footage apparently so no doubt these guys will be asked about what they saw... Personally -having not seen the incident other than the smoke- I had been convinced that it was Hibs supporters who let it off, as the Sect42 YouTube video seems to back up... If it was not for a couple of forum members saying it came from the Hearts end then I'd be pretty sceptical likes. How sure is everyone that this was not a sect42 smokebomb? If a couple of posters on here said that it was raining outside, I'd put on a pair of shorts tbf. Utter cringe from The Evening News as always. A burning flare ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouse Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 'The eight-inch flare, which is understood to have been launched from among Hearts supporters in the Wheatfield Stand, ricocheted off a barrier on the front row of the upper tier of the Roseburn Stand before landing at the feet of young Andrew' Why is it so difficult for them to understand the difference between flares and smoke bombs. What chance the smoke bomb was actually thrown from further up the stand and ricocheted back off the barrier towards their own fans, it's not as if they don't have a history of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticJambo Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Something to throw into the mix (bad pun, unintentional); not a rule as such but I'm guessing that the vast majority of all incidents like these are instigated by the away support, in the UK anyway. The Home end tends to be much more 'sensible'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory House M.D. Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 So the smoke bomb infact came from behind The ###### Family? Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Something to throw into the mix (bad pun, unintentional); not a rule as such but I'm guessing that the vast majority of all incidents like these are instigated by the away support, in the UK anyway. The Home end tends to be much more 'sensible'. Correct yet more to add to the reality that this was a Hobo feck up and they are trying to offload the blame on Hearts fans, they are embarrassed yet again and as is with the final they are trying to bury their embarrassment of yet another almighty feck up.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Does a smoke bomb have 'embers'? What a strange article. Not at all convinced it came from the Hearts end. I'm sure CCTV will reveal the truth though, whatever that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticJambo Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Correct yet more to add to the reality that this was a Hobo feck up and they are trying to offload the blame on Hearts fans, they are embarrassed yet again and as is with the final they are trying to bury their embarrassment of yet another almighty feck up.. Indeed, an age old tactic ... deflecting attention with attacks on the other guy ... big game of smoke and mirrors. Is it surprising though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Lannister Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Said video of red smoke-bombs/flairs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 That video should be brought to the attention of the police and media,there is absolutely no evidence to say this came from the Wheatfield,think we may be getting stitched up here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remnants of Standards Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I saw something largish clearly being thrown from middle to upper G just after the ballboy incident. Next thing maroon smoke rises from their end. It absolutely came from our end (if indeed that said object caused this) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destruction Derby Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Can we stop calling it a flare please, it was a pissy wee smoke bomb that you can buy if you go paint-balling This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I saw something largish clearly being thrown from middle to upper G just after the ballboy incident. Next thing maroon smoke rises from their end. It absolutely came from our end (if indeed that said object caused this) Sniff sniff sniff I'm smelling the distinct smell of shite in this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldcastlerock2012 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnyOc12jzDU Said video of red smoke-bombs/flairs Well that's pretty damning. Unless video can be produced showing Hearts fans with red flares/smoke bombs, etc the evidence points towards Hibs fans and I'm sure the media will pick up on that seeing as they appear to be very concerned about this story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 So all the evidence points to it being a hobo smoke bomb apart from a couple of random 'hearts' fans on internet forum who think it came from the Wheatfield. So the Scotsman runs with the story about it coming from Hearts fans, hmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remnants of Standards Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Sniff sniff sniff I'm smelling the distinct smell of shite in this post. sniff sniff...LOLZ. From the old main stand that's exactly what i saw. I'm interested in your theory though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Benoit Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I saw something largish clearly being thrown from middle to upper G just after the ballboy incident. Next thing maroon smoke rises from their end. It absolutely came from our end (if indeed that said object caused this) From the middle to upper G all the way to the concourse in the School End? Calling shenanigans on this shite unless anyone can prove Geoff Capes is a Hearts fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I was sat in the middle of section F and seen nothing thrown from the Hearts end. What I have seen is videos of hibs fans with smoke bombs exactly like the one that was set off in the roseburn stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigieboy Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 From the middle to upper G all the way to the concourse in the School End? Calling shenanigans on this shite unless anyone can prove Geoff Capes is a Hearts fan. It must have turned left when it reached past the side screens of stand. Utter shyte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remnants of Standards Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Personally i hope it was all indeed a risible plot hatched in Leith, and that JKB's very own amateur sleuths clear our name. We shall see i guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldcastlerock2012 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Personally i hope it was all indeed a risible plot hatched in Leith, and that JKB's very own amateur sleuths clear our name. We shall see i guess. It doesn't take much sleuthing to be fair. So far the only definite evidence produced shows Hibs fans with red flares and s bombs on the day of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boba Fett Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Posted on another thread about this... I was in lower G that night, row 3, seat 10. I would say the distance from me to said smoke bomb was too far for it to be launched. I saw nothing being thrown, so if it came from behind me, or further up section G, out of my sightline, that's some throw! Also, the coppers weren't shy about using video cameras to film both sets of fans... Surely if someone lobbed a smoke bomb they'd be picked up on them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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