Gigolo-Aunt Posted January 21, 2008 When talking about Frail to the press, can you not address him as "Shaggy" - Although not meant to,It shows a complete lack of respect. Gaffer or boss will do. Trivial some might think, but there you go.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real Maroonblood Posted January 21, 2008 It's better than Scooby or Daphne. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nrhamilton Posted January 21, 2008 When talking about Frail to the press, can you not address him as "Shaggy" - Although not meant to,It shows a complete lack of respect. Gaffer or boss will do. Trivial some might think, but there you go.... Maybe he told them "call me Shaggy"...so its just natural when talking about him no ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eggo Posted January 21, 2008 When talking about Frail to the press, can you not address him as "Shaggy" - Although not meant to,It shows a complete lack of respect. Gaffer or boss will do. Trivial some might think, but there you go.... Spot on with the "trivial":confused: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gigolo-Aunt Posted January 21, 2008 I dont think so. Shaggy is from his coaching days. He is the caretaker manager now and must distance himself from "One of the lads" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clerry Jambo Posted January 21, 2008 .........and I wish they would stop talking about giving Shaggy the Managers job:eek: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
troonjambo Posted January 21, 2008 I dont think so. Shaggy is from his coaching days. He is the caretaker manager now and must distance himself from "One of the lads" normally you would be right mate but ,frail main job i think is trying to create a team spirt and put some fight and heart back into a tremendiously demotivated devided squad of players shaggy will do for now :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar Posted January 21, 2008 I think that is quite right. The Boss/Big Chief/Gaffer Should only get called names behind his back. Calling him by a nickname shows a lack of fear, Almost some disrespect... If the players screw up, It's OK, Shaggy's a nice guy. Or, The Boss is gonna go nuts, I'd better shape up! Happened to a club (Peterborough) a couple of years ago down Engerland way, Big Ron had to go in and sort them out! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Sifter Posted January 21, 2008 Surely if Shaggy thought it was disrespectful he would've told them not to use it? If Shaggy is ok with it, then whats the fuss? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JamboRobbo Posted January 21, 2008 We're getting a real manager soon anyway aren't we? Not much point stopping calling him Shaggy now just for a week or two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boaby Ewing Posted January 21, 2008 Put a suit on while you're at it. Just try not to look like the work experience boy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The xx Posted January 21, 2008 When talking about Frail to the press, can you not address him as "Shaggy" - Although not meant to,It shows a complete lack of respect. Gaffer or boss will do. Trivial some might think, but there you go.... Are you for real? Yesterday you were moaning that Velicka scores too many gols or something, now you're annoyed because one of our coaches (who recently became caretaker-manager) is on nickname terms with the squad! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redm Posted January 21, 2008 When talking about Frail to the press, can you not address him as "Shaggy" - Although not meant to,It shows a complete lack of respect. Gaffer or boss will do. Trivial some might think, but there you go.... It might be just a wee thing Gig, but I agree that it's probably not the best idea. They can call each other what they like within the confines of the dressing room (and I expect they do!) but it would be nice if they'd even try to convince us that anything is normal behind closed doors. When there are discipline problems within the squad, it doesn't reassure anyone to know that they're all best pals - we just want to know that someone is kicking their collective bahookies. It would probably help Frail's position too. The media are generally kind towards him personally but sometimes verge on patronising him and his role...this sort of thing probably just creates a (hopefully) misleading impression of how things are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billy52 Posted January 21, 2008 It might be just a wee thing Gig, but I agree that it's probably not the best idea. They can call each other what they like within the confines of the dressing room (and I expect they do!) but it would be nice if they'd even try to convince us that anything is normal behind closed doors. When there are discipline problems within the squad, it doesn't reassure anyone to know that they're all best pals - we just want to know that someone is kicking their collective bahookies. It would probably help Frail's position too. The media are generally kind towards him personally but sometimes verge on patronising him and his role...this sort of thing probably just creates a (hopefully) misleading impression of how things are. Generally caretaker managers get talked up by the players to get the job and none of them seem to last long. The temporary manager knows that if he doesn't get the job he is fired and a few of the players will be punted as well. It suits all of them to stick together at this stage but this could only be bad for Hearts as we have an inexperienced coach and a squad filled with mediocrity. Whats a player going to say to his pal 'shaggy' when he gets punted or dropped? A real manager should have the authority in him to make sure he gets respect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redm Posted January 21, 2008 Generally caretaker managers get talked up by the players to get the job and none of them seem to last long. The temporary manager knows that if he doesn't get the job he is fired and a few of the players will be punted as well. It suits all of them to stick together at this stage but this could only be bad for Hearts as we have an inexperienced coach and a squad filled with mediocrity. Whats a player going to say to his pal 'shaggy' when he gets punted or dropped? A real manager should have the authority in him to make sure he gets respect. I'm not suggesting that they don't respect Frail, I think they do. But I don't think they're scared of him and a wee bit fear is never a bad thing. My comments were more about how things appear outwardly...to the press etc. Jambos will have their own ideas about what's happening internally at the club and are less likely to be influenced by these wee things, but the media are watching and the players/coaches etc could do themselves a favour and try to improve things there. There are far more important things for them to concern themselves with, mind you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryan Gosling Posted January 21, 2008 Put a suit on while you're at it. Just try not to look like the work experience boy. He had a suit on for the pre- and post-match interviews. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sked21 Posted January 21, 2008 If I was manager I would want to be called Guv or Guv'nor. Then the mutiny sets in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gigolo-Aunt Posted January 21, 2008 Are you for real? Yesterday you were moaning that Velicka scores too many gols or something, now you're annoyed because one of our coaches (who recently became caretaker-manager) is on nickname terms with the squad! Yup, for real. A few folk on this thread got what I was banging my drum about. As for Velicka, it would appear that went over your head as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarhead Posted January 21, 2008 When talking about Frail to the press, can you not address him as "Shaggy" - Although not meant to,It shows a complete lack of respect. Gaffer or boss will do. Trivial some might think, but there you go.... FWIW I agree with you. It's all about perception. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pants Shaton Posted January 21, 2008 Are you for real? Yesterday you were moaning that Velicka scores too many gols or something, now you're annoyed because one of our coaches (who recently became caretaker-manager) is on nickname terms with the squad! i?ro?ny1 /ˈaɪrəni, ˈaɪər-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ahy-ruh-nee, ahy-er-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation ?noun, plural -nies. 1. the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, ?How nice!? when I said I had to work all weekend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adi Dassler Posted January 21, 2008 You're right mate. We were talking about this last week. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zicoinexile Posted January 21, 2008 Are you for real? Yesterday you were moaning that Velicka scores too many gols or something, now you're annoyed because one of our coaches (who recently became caretaker-manager) is on nickname terms with the squad! Oh dear, think you might have missed the point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbos Right Peg Posted January 21, 2008 When talking about Frail to the press, can you not address him as "Shaggy" - Although not meant to,It shows a complete lack of respect. Gaffer or boss will do. Trivial some might think, but there you go.... 100% correct. Not for one minute would I expect Sir Alex Ferguson to accept being called 'Eck' or 'Boozy Red Nose' by any of his players. So when muppets like Callum Idiot are quoted in the papers calling Frail 'Shaggy' it reeks of a lack of professionalisim and respect. I doubt Tommy Walker would have accepted being addressed as anything other than 'Mr Walker'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted January 21, 2008 100% correct. Not for one minute would I expect Sir Alex Ferguson to accept being called 'Eck' or 'Boozy Red Nose' by any of his players. So when muppets like Callum Idiot are quoted in the papers calling Frail 'Shaggy' it reeks of a lack of professionalisim and respect. I doubt Tommy Walker would have accepted being addressed as anything other than 'Mr Walker'. He shouldn't even get the privilege of calling him gaffer. It's Mr Frail to you Callum Idiot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dirk Diggler Posted January 21, 2008 When talking about Frail to the press, can you not address him as "Shaggy" - Although not meant to,It shows a complete lack of respect. Gaffer or boss will do. Trivial some might think, but there you go.... Correct. When I heard that baboon Elliot calling him 'Shaggy' the other week there, He went even further down in my estimation. Have a little respect ya shellsuit wearing jakey ned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spacerjoe Posted January 21, 2008 We're getting a real manager soon anyway aren't we? Not much point stopping calling him Shaggy now just for a week or two. Just like our "Acting Chief Exec: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horse Posted January 21, 2008 When talking about Frail to the press, can you not address him as "Shaggy" - Although not meant to,It shows a complete lack of respect. Gaffer or boss will do. Trivial some might think, but there you go.... Thought he was only in charge for the short term until we got a real manager..so can't see what difference it would make IMHO. Unless of course you think he will be in charge until the end of the season or longer...surley not..Mad Vlad going back on his word:p Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Julio Posted January 21, 2008 Thought he was only in charge for the short term until we got a real manager..so can't see what difference it would make IMHO. Unless of course you think he will be in charge until the end of the season or longer...surley not..Mad Vlad going back on his word:p Vlads a man of honour Horse come on get with the script. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
