kingantti1874 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Call me a cynic but I am struggling to believe the figure is this low.. ?75k (we were led to believe if we sold out stmirren), 20k from here, 8k from brau, 20k from auction and u20's - are we rally to believe the rest of the merchandise sales, match tickets and many many fund raising activities have raised less than ?140k.. Can't believe that !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brux Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 That's a lot of money in a short space of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo191 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Maybe that is only in shares though?? So wouldn't be counting all the extra events ect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 That's a lot of money in a short space of time We were @ 200k after 48hrs.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pohang Jambo Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 According to the Evening Hobo News, that 250k is the total for merchandise, tickets, shares, fund raisers etc. Good effort all round, need to keep it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poseidon Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I think that probably a fair reflection of the total without taking the shares into account Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 A CONCERTED effort by Hearts fans to bail out their ailing club has raised almost ?250,000 in just seven days. A Hearts spokesman confirmed that supporters had achieved the running total just a week after a plea for help was first issued in the face of a ?450,000 unpaid tax bill threatening the club?s extinction. The fundraising tally achieved through share investments, match ticket sales and cash donations was announced as Hearts director Sergejus Fedotovas held ?constructive talks? yesterday with Supporters Direct. The government-backed body is negotiating on behalf of the consortium Foundation of Hearts, which is attempting to lead a fans? buyout of the club. Mr Fedotovas had earlier warned they could be facing a long-term funding gap of up to ?2 million to ultimately stave off liquidation. In a statement issued yesterday, the club said: ?We welcomed the opportunity to talk to Supporters Direct today and we expect further meetings in the future as we move towards a club owned and run by its supporter base. ?There is a lot of hard work ahead, but the current share scheme and the fans? fund-raising efforts remain our priority.? One unidentified supporter has purchased the club?s top share package in the past week, contributing ?27,500 alone to fundraising coffers. The Tynecastle fighting fund will receive a further boost tonight when a team of Hearts Legends take to the field against an unnamed local football team at the Football Academy at Heriot-Watt University. Kick-off is 7pm. The immediate closure threats facing Hearts have been stalled after Her Majesty?s Revenue and Customs (HMRC) agreed on Tuesday to an extension giving the club extra time to pay off its outstanding tax bill. The ?450,000 debt can be paid in two instalments under the agreement. Tomorrow had been the original deadline. The majority of Hearts? first-team players have also agreed to defer their November wages as the Edinburgh side pulls out all stops to battle its crippling debt. Leading members of Foundation of Hearts will meet in the next few days to discuss plans. A website for the consortium ? www.foundationofhearts.org ? went live last night. Director Alex Mackie said Hearts now needed to outline what they considered a reasonable offer, including expectations over the size of a potential lump sum payment. He warned fans negotiations would take some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 According to the Evening Hobo News, that 250k is the total for merchandise, tickets, shares, fund raisers etc. Good effort all round, need to keep it up. As I say im utterly amazed its that low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poseidon Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 According to the Evening Hobo News, that 250k is the total for merchandise, tickets, shares, fund raisers etc. Good effort all round, need to keep it up. If true then there must be a lot of folk that haven't put theitr hand in their pocket yet. Would only take 1250 people spending ?200 to hit that figures and know there are folk that have spend more then a grand themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 As I say im utterly amazed its that low. How much were you expecting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poseidon Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 As I say im utterly amazed its that low. me too, i'd be gutted if that's the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry hippo Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 As I say im utterly amazed its that low. I think that's a lot of money in a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pohang Jambo Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 As I say im utterly amazed its that low. True. Maybe Hearts are downplaying it to attract more support, or simply the Evening Hobo has picked the figure out of thin air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 As I say im utterly amazed its that low. It probably doesn't include everything - some fundraising is still ongoing, not all the money will be in the club's account and so on. It may also not include shares bought before the ?450K tax bill came to light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedy_Jambo Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 As I say im utterly amazed its that low. Are you suggesting that Vlad has been pocketing some of the money raised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poseidon Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 It probably doesn't include everything - some fundraising is still ongoing, not all the money will be in the club's account and so on. It may also not include shares bought before the ?450K tax bill came to light. I guess the likes of the Brauhaus ?8k and the Tuesday night ?20k might not be converted into shares yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent B.A Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 True. Maybe Hearts are downplaying it to attract more support, or simply the Evening Hobo has picked the figure out of thin air. This I dont see where they could have got the figure from. Hearts wouldnt have given it to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 How much were you expecting? Read my opening post 75 k from stmirren 20k + from here 8k from the brau 15k from auction 6k from u20's =124k ish So the rest of the merchandise sales, additional match tickets, shares sold directly + the other fund raising activities have raise less than ?126k which equates to approx 450 people buying the ?275 package... Pretty much every Jambo I know is in for far far more than ?275 . Doesn't sit right with me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMac Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 there has been estimates in the EEN for the last week... I assume they are just guessing based on original guesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMac Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Read my opening post 75 k from stmirren 20k + from here 8k from the brau 15k from auction 6k from u20's =124k ish So the rest of the merchandise sales, additional match tickets, shares sold directly + the other fund raising activities have raise less than ?126k which equates to approx 450 people buying the ?275 package... Pretty much every Jambo I know is in for far far more than ?275 . Doesn't sit right with me not to mention it states that one person bot the 22000 package Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 Are you suggesting that Vlad has been pocketing some of the money raised? Not suggesting anything mate. Just saying logically it seems low and it concerns me if its really that low.. 1/9th of the total required. I know for sure I can't continue to contribute like I have financially - I'd be bust.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Read my opening post 75 k from stmirren 20k + from here 8k from the brau 15k from auction 6k from u20's =124k ish So the rest of the merchandise sales, additional match tickets, shares sold directly + the other fund raising activities have raise less than ?126k which equates to approx 450 people buying the ?275 package... Pretty much every Jambo I know is in for far far more than ?275 . Doesn't sit right with me Fair enough, I was under the impression that we weren't releasing figures that included shares but that may have changed. If they have they might not be able to include money that's not cashed, like cheques, credit card payments, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 Fair enough, I was under the impression that we weren't releasing figures that included shares but that may have changed. If they have they might not be able to include money that's not cashed, like cheques, credit card payments, etc. I hope so.. Time for transparency from the club - we have a right to know how much we have spent donated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Read my opening post 75 k from stmirren 20k + from here 8k from the brau 15k from auction 6k from u20's =124k ish So the rest of the merchandise sales, additional match tickets, shares sold directly + the other fund raising activities have raise less than ?126k which equates to approx 450 people buying the ?275 package... Pretty much every Jambo I know is in for far far more than ?275 . Doesn't sit right with me if we have sold an extra 4,000 tickets for St Mirren and at a guess and extra 2000 for Aberdeen and Celtic at say an average of ?20 per ticket that would be ?120k on its own? Im with you, 250k seems very low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I hope so.. Time for transparency from the club - we have a right to know how much we have spent donated. I wouldn't rule out the EEN pulling that number out the sky btw. Tbh I don't see why we need a weekly update on how much funds we've raised, it could very easily result in complacency from fans which is what we need to try and avoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 if we have sold an extra 4,000 tickets for St Mirren and at a guess and extra 2000 for Aberdeen and Celtic at say an average of ?20 per ticket that would be ?120k on its own? Im with you, 250k seems very low. Extremely low!! As I say, club need to be transparent - we have a right to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 If this is true, good job we got an extension.... It must be higher than this for the reasons others have said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 I wouldn't rule out the EEN pulling that number out the sky btw. Tbh I don't see why we need a weekly update on how much funds we've raised, it could very easily result in complacency from fans which is what we need to try and avoid. See where your coming from but if suggest if people lose confidence in club that will also result in a loss of confidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbodog Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Seeing as the club have said that they will not be releasing how much has been raised via the share offer, it seems awfy weird folk getting their knickers in a twist about a guess from the evening news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 About what i'd have guessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GforGallo Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 It says in the article that the figure was announced when fedotovas was meeting with the fans direct or whatever its called, so it possibly came directly from him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adayinmay Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Read my opening post 75 k from stmirren 20k + from here 8k from the brau 15k from auction 6k from u20's =124k ish So the rest of the merchandise sales, additional match tickets, shares sold directly + the other fund raising activities have raise less than ?126k which equates to approx 450 people buying the ?275 package... Pretty much every Jambo I know is in for far far more than ?275 . Doesn't sit right with me I agree the figure quoted in the EN seems low and wrong. I hope its just them getting it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnythejambo Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I think this just shows theres not a cat in hells chance of raising the 2 million shortfall from the fans. Hope this Foundation thing takes off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_vlad Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I think that's a lot of money in a week. Not even a week, but 5 days, its nearly 300k. Don't know how people think thats a bad show! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigis semiauskas Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Fed was asked on the radio if the figure was 250k,he doesnt want to say how much exactly but that it was higher than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Not even a week, but 5 days, its nearly 300k. Don't know how people think thats a bad show! Don't think they are saying it is bad rather it is lower than expected when you start to do the maths on tickets sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Dee Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I'm more interested to know how many people have taken up the share offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pivotno1 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 a dont think this counts the share issue money dont think they can legally divulge how much was taking in until the offer closes maybe some of the legal mob can clarify this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 a dont think this counts the share issue money dont think they can legally divulge how much was taking in until the offer closes maybe some of the legal mob can clarify this I don't think it does either, if it does it is heading for disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Call me a cynic but I am struggling to believe the figure is this low.. ?75k (we were led to believe if we sold out stmirren), 20k from here, 8k from brau, 20k from auction and u20's - are we rally to believe the rest of the merchandise sales, match tickets and many many fund raising activities have raised less than ?140k.. Can't believe that !! Yes. And were we feck at 200k in 2 days. You listed all the major fundraisers which you calculate as half the total quoted, an.additional 120k including shares seems about right. What total were you expecting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford City Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 The Evening News has been known, in the past, to - how should I put this - speculate about some things which may not be 100% true on closer examination. So there's no reason to believe them on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 Yes. And were we feck at 200k in 2 days. You listed all the major fundraisers which you calculate as half the total quoted, an.additional 120k including shares seems about right. What total were you expecting? Really so an average of less than 450 people with the 275 package... Taking into account one guy bought the top package @ over 20k, less than 380 people have taken the ?275 package on average? I'd have expected between 500-600k at this point, and so did the guy I spoke to in shop yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 The Evening News has been known, in the past, to - how should I put this - speculate about some things which may not be 100% true on closer examination. So there's no reason to believe them on this. Speculate is a very polite and mild work for what they get up to - not like them to try and muddy the waters as far as Hearts are concerned though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I think this just shows theres not a cat in hells chance of raising the 2 million shortfall from the fans. Hope this Foundation thing takes off They would need to raise at least just as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Really so an average of less than 450 people with the 275 package... Taking into account one guy bought the top package @ over 20k, less than 380 people have taken the ?275 package on average? I'd have expected between 500-600k at this point, and so did the guy I spoke to in shop yesterday I think that that is quite a fair chunk of people you would expext to be able to just give up that amount of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford City Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Speculate is a very polite and mild work for what they get up to - not like them to try and muddy the waters as far as Hearts are concerned though. I was trying not to post anything libellous. Remember the News has already this season (in the Spartans match report) called both Mehdi Taouil and Sam Nicholson 'Callum Tapping'. They are capable of anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodHull Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I don't think that includes merchandise,current ticket totals and fund raisers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Vallance Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Re the share issue alone. There a lot of people like myself outwith Edinburgh who are only in town on match day and are planning do hand in their share applications on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 I think that that is quite a fair chunk of people you would expext to be able to just give up that amount of money. Given the feedback on here, the feedback in the shop and the near 100% take up from my own friends and family(who I suspect would cover a fairly broad demographic) .. I would think its not a big number at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Re the share issue alone. There a lot of people like myself outwith Edinburgh who are only in town on match day and are planning do hand in their share applications on Saturday. also a good number of people will have posted their applications and they might still be processing them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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