Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Francis, I was going to dissagree with you there but... I once dissagreed with something Sergey posted and so under Gray's law... I would be a Hibby for doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Francis, I was going to dissagree with you there but... I once dissagreed with something Sergey posted and so under Gray's law... I would be a Hibby for doing so. Gray's law. That has a nice ring to it. I just find it laughable thinking back to the obsession some had with a guy who done exactly this but it's a great laugh when it's us doing it to another club. I'm pretty sure it spilled over into real life actually with some posters and Sergey. You are all very touchy about the throwaway comment I made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Thankfully I have never met Sergey, and I have not been one of the many gloating about Rangers possible trouble on this thread. In the defence of those that are enjoying the indulgence of such flippancy and myrth, I would point out that most Hearts fans doing so are perfectly entitled to do so since it is commonplace for fans of all clubs and not just Hearts and Hibs. Also the way Hearts were beaten with that particularly shitty stick means, many might want to even the score a little when they perceive that another club is not being treated in the same manner. Feck me though... You seem really SEEETHING about it Snakey Gray! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Root Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Gray's law. That has a nice ring to it. I just find it laughable thinking back to the obsession some had with a guy who done exactly this but it's a great laugh when it's us doing it to another club. I'm pretty sure it spilled over into real life actually with some posters and Sergey. You are all very touchy about the throwaway comment I made. Isn't that how forums work though? You defend your own and your own position, you destroy anything that is not you or your own. Sergey = Huns = destroy Hearts = us = defend We can call this Root's Law or Das Law. Either works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 I presumed he was just our resident Rangers fan, like WeeRobbo's our Hibby. It is sad when you find yourself having to defend your status as a Hearts fan because you dared to point out the many untruths contained in a post. So lets deal with facts -- Season ticket Holder for over 30 years -- Send a PM and I'll meet you at my seats so you can see if I exist (I say seats as I also bring along the family whose tickets I pay for like many on this board) Shareholder for over 15 years and did not sell my shares to Vlad in a vain attempt to think it might have some influence over his actions. Yes I have been to Ibrox -- many times and before some of you were born -- try standing in the enclosure as we used to do with little or no segregation -- in the old days we also had to sit in the Celtic main stand in the front enclosure and yep I went there also -- it was fun getting out back in the day. So been there -- Munich, Paris , Vienna, Zagreb, London etc and of course Arbroath and would hope that would be enough for most on this board. With the lies and mis information spread about us through recent years it is at times right to point out the inaccuracies of some postings on here (as some have done to me -- some rightly and some wrongly) -- opinion is one thing and fine by me but statements claiming to have a factual basis which are patently wrong need to be pointed out and rather than have a 10 page thread with no basis in truth I looked to point this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 opinion is one thing and fine by me but statements claiming to have a factual basis which are patently wrong need to be pointed out and rather than have a 10 page thread with no basis in truth I looked to point this out. Just heard this, but not sure if its 100% true on not, but here goes: Claiming a factual basis eh? Not even close. Given that you jumped down a guys throat for posting a rumour and insinuated he was at least a timpathiser, doing the reverse seems not unreasonable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Claiming a factual basis eh? Not even close. Given that you jumped down a guys throat for posting a rumour and insinuated he was at least a timpathiser, doing the reverse seems not unreasonable Cheers mate! Made the point I was also trying to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychocAndy Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Just heard this, but not sure if its 100% true on not, but here goes: 1. It has been confirmed that Rangers' bank accounts have been frozen by the bank today. 2. If they don't pay HMRC the small bill that they owe them by Monday, they will be placed into administration. The big bill is still pending. 3. Should that happen all season tickets,VIP boxes, game packages etc, will be null & void. 4. They will not be allowed any credit facilities,so it will be 'cash only' gates at Ibrox. 5. Rangers faxed a letter to the bank yesterday,saying that Liverpool made a ?9M bid for Jelavic so that they could register him as a ?9M asset with the bank. Apparently Kenny Dalglish went nuts as no such offer was made by Liverpool. They are consulting their lawyers & considering legal action. Nursing a semi Just heard this -- know its 100% true-- see below 1. Rangers bank accounts have not been frozen 2. The money for the 'small bill' has already been ring fenced from their account 3. Packages etc utter tosh and nonsense 4. What credit facilities as they have no debt with any bank -- debt held by chairman. 5. They did not fax any letter and you don't know Kenny Dalglish and once more there is no bank debt. PS Get a real life instead of a fantasy one-- stop leading people on false trails with lies and mis-information. Nope it's gone, nothing, nada, nix, it's not pining for the fjords it's dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted September 5, 2011 Author Share Posted September 5, 2011 Huns, Tims & Hibby's would ALL rejoice and gloat at our misfortunes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Gray's Law? Root's Law? Hypocrisy? Partisan double standards? Impromptu policing of the board? More hypocrisy? it's quite funny when certain posters end up trying police the board or discredit the posting behaviour of others, when they themselves are often guilty of 'iffy' practices themselves. everyone ends up being a hypocrite on here at some stage. it's unavoidable really. you may call this panzee's theory of posting relativity. i think there's a difference between rats.net type 'tick-tockism' and posting about rangers financial woes. from what i've seen, we tend to be far more sceptical and questioning of the validity of information relating to rangers or anyone else then perhaps they tend to be over there. i think for a time it was basically accepted 'knowledge' that we would go bust. it was just a matter of when. it's quite alright to speculate on rangers position, and even perhaps over-play the seriousness of it all. i mean... don't the glasgow based gutter media do exactly the same thing to us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Gray's Law? Root's Law? Hypocrisy? Partisan double standards? Impromptu policing of the board? More hypocrisy? it's quite funny when certain posters end up trying police the board or discredit the posting behaviour of others, when they themselves are often guilty of 'iffy' practices themselves. everyone ends up being a hypocrite on here at some stage. it's unavoidable really. you may call this panzee's theory of posting relativity. i think there's a difference between rats.net type 'tick-tockism' and posting about rangers financial woes. from what i've seen, we tend to be far more sceptical and questioning of the validity of information relating to rangers or anyone else then perhaps they tend to be over there. i think for a time it was basically accepted 'knowledge' that we would go bust. it was just a matter of when. it's quite alright to speculate on rangers position, and even perhaps over-play the seriousness of it all. i mean... don't the glasgow based gutter media do exactly the same thing to us? That was a maze of craftily worded points and cul-de-sacs of inferal... I believe that would be better being named: 'Pan's Labyrinth'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Root Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 That was a maze of craftily worded points and cul-de-sacs of inferal... I believe that would be better being named: 'Pan's Labarynth'. Or even Pan's Labyrinth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Or even Pan's Labyrinth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Root Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Heh heh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wibble Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 With the HMRC arresting the 2.8m quid the first domino has toppled. Anyone who does business with Rangers on a week to week basis will now be terrified that they might never get paid and will demand upfront payments. Anyone who is owed money by Rangers will stop providing new goods and services until outstanding obligations are met. With the loss of 10m in Champs League money the Whyte masterplan will be tits up and the big tax case hasnt even been finalised yet. Look for there to be stories soon about how the police are threatening to not cover their games because of unpaid bills, or the catering company are refusing to supply catering etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Look for there to be stories soon about how the police are threatening to not cover their games because of unpaid bills, or the catering company are refusing to supply catering etc etc. Or how they arent getting their boiler fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 If the rumours are true and Whyte is having his hand forced - Expect to hear about a deal to sell off the land around Ibrox soon. In terms of getting the boiler fixed - the chat there was that Ibrox needs over a mill of repairs to get the stadium back to pre cost cutting. There's been a lot of papering over cracks apparently.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Or how they arent getting their boiler fixed. Or how Jelavic had to go out and buy a bag of balls for training... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 If the rumours are true and Whyte is having his hand forced - Expect to hear about a deal to sell off the land around Ibrox soon. In terms of getting the boiler fixed - the chat there was that Ibrox needs over a mill of repairs to get the stadium back to pre cost cutting. There's been a lot of papering over cracks apparently.... Do they own a hefty chunk of land around Ibrox then? Was it included in the deal for Whyte to buy the club or is it owned by the previous owner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 If the rumours are true and Whyte is having his hand forced - Expect to hear about a deal to sell off the land around Ibrox soon. In terms of getting the boiler fixed - the chat there was that Ibrox needs over a mill of repairs to get the stadium back to pre cost cutting. There's been a lot of papering over cracks apparently.... Hope so, especially as it will be worth buttons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 If the rumours are true and Whyte is having his hand forced - Expect to hear about a deal to sell off the land around Ibrox soon. In terms of getting the boiler fixed - the chat there was that Ibrox needs over a mill of repairs to get the stadium back to pre cost cutting. There's been a lot of papering over cracks apparently.... I'm sure I've read the figure is nearer ?10m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Ibrox is the venue for the Rugby 7s tournament at the 2014 Commonwealth Games. I hope that money for any work commisioned by Glasgow 2014 to refurbish or upgrade facilities is being paid for directly, rather than being handed over to RFC to manage the work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 If the rumours are true and Whyte is having his hand forced - Expect to hear about a deal to sell off the land around Ibrox You mean they aren't building a super casino anymore?? Gutted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Root Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Ibrox is the venue for the Rugby 7s tournament at the 2014 Commonwealth Games. I hope that money for any work commisioned by Glasgow 2014 to refurbish or upgrade facilities is being paid for directly, rather than being handed over to RFC to manage the work. Absolute guarantee that all costs regarding this will be doubled in the not so distant future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Absolute guarantee that all costs regarding this will be doubled in the not so distant future. Surely you are not suggesting that Whyte et al are at the madam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAYEL Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Or how they arent getting their boiler fixed. Surely not before a new toaster . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VALDOS Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Whyte will own the training ground opposite the main stand as that will have come with the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chat Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 The day HMRC shut those feckers down will be an intensely satisfying day in the Chat household. Filth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 The day HMRC shut those feckers down will be an intensely satisfying day in the Chat household. Filth. And the Simon one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wibble Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 You can be sure that Murray has kept every square inch of land that is not Ibrox itself. He'll be leasing that training ground back to Whyte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 And the Simon one. I thought your surname was "Says"??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coburg Hearts Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 I thought your surname was "Says"??? Says who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 I thought your surname was "Says"??? No, Simon. First name, Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flecktimus Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 No, Simon. First name, Simple. We need a merkat smiley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colingwood Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Herald today reports that RFC are being sued by their ex-lawyers over a bill of ?35,000. Bill was due over the defence of the sectarian singing charge brought by UEFA earlier this year. Can anyone tell me definitively if Hearts are due any money for Ian Wallace. If so they may well kiss this goodbye in the event of an insolvency event. There is no football creditors first rule in Scotland and never has been. The only secured debt is the ?18m which was owed to Lloyds and may now be owed, either completely or in part,to Whyte via an intermediary company Wavetower. Only once this debt has been cleared will the other creditors get anything and it may be that once the final tax bill is crystalised the payout will be paltry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Herald today reports that RFC are being sued by their ex-lawyers over a bill of ?35,000. Bill was due over the defence of the sectarian singing charge brought by UEFA earlier this year. Can anyone tell me definitively if Hearts are due any money for Ian Wallace. If so they may well kiss this goodbye in the event of an insolvency event. There is no football creditors first rule in Scotland and never has been. The only secured debt is the ?18m which was owed to Lloyds and may now be owed, either completely or in part,to Whyte via an intermediary company Wavetower. Only once this debt has been cleared will the other creditors get anything and it may be that once the final tax bill is crystalised the payout will be paltry. I can confirm no money is due for Ian Wallace -- having played football with him a few years ago the fee would heve been very low anyway PS sorry Ian !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Herald today reports that RFC are being sued by their ex-lawyers over a bill of ?35,000. Bill was due over the defence of the sectarian singing charge brought by UEFA earlier this year. Can anyone tell me definitively if Hearts are due any money for Ian Wallace. If so they may well kiss this goodbye in the event of an insolvency event. There is no football creditors first rule in Scotland and never has been. The only secured debt is the ?18m which was owed to Lloyds and may now be owed, either completely or in part,to Whyte via an intermediary company Wavetower. Only once this debt has been cleared will the other creditors get anything and it may be that once the final tax bill is crystalised the payout will be paltry. I wonder if Rangers message boards, like this one in similar circumstances for Hearts, will be full of posters saying how embarrassing this is, and telling Whyte just to pay up what he owes and to stop making Rangers a laughing stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colingwood Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 I can confirm no money is due for Ian Wallace -- having played football with him a few years ago the fee would heve been very low anyway PS sorry Ian !! Glad to hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyjamboDerbyshire Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Fingers crossed that Hearts have got their money for Wallace because I doubt they'll ever see it if they've not. It'll be interesting to see whether the SPL or SFA take any action against Rangers if they are unable to pay for Wallace, or any other outstanding monies owed to other SPL clubs. At the very least, if Rangers still owe Hearts for Wallace, they should not be allowed to play him until they can show that they are in a position to settle in full. If Rangers do manage to survive this first arrestment and survive to the January window, they should be forced by SPL/SFA to sell enough players to satisfy their SPL creditors in full before any further actions are made by HMRC. I expect, however, that if Rangers do manage to settle this first tax bill, an action in respect of the bigger one will follow immediately. HMRC will not want to give them a chance to sell any of their assets (including players) to pay off any creditors, as they do not give a toss about how it will effect any other teams in the SPL or anywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 There may be trouble ahead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasman Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Herald today reports that RFC are being sued by their ex-lawyers over a bill of ?35,000. Bill was due over the defence of the sectarian singing charge brought by UEFA earlier this year. Rangers agreed in Court that the ?35,000 would be paid in full yesterday. They didn't make any payment. The law firm took it back to Court this morning, and Rangers have now paid the ?35,000. The Court has now ordered them to pay an additional ?10,000 to cover costs and interest. It seems all is not well in Govan. Sorry I can't do a link, but the source is STV's site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Rangers agreed in Court that the ?35,000 would be paid in full yesterday. They didn't make any payment. The law firm took it back to Court this morning, and Rangers have now paid the ?35,000. The Court has now ordered them to pay an additional ?10,000 to cover costs and interest. It seems all is not well in Govan. Sorry I can't do a link, but the source is STV's site. So unprofessional, paying bills at the last minute, makes them a laughing stock and all that, yadah yadah, Vlad, yadah, mad, Circus etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Rangers agreed in Court that the ?35,000 would be paid in full yesterday. They didn't make any payment. The law firm took it back to Court this morning, and Rangers have now paid the ?35,000. The Court has now ordered them to pay an additional ?10,000 to cover costs and interest. It seems all is not well in Govan. Sorry I can't do a link, but the source is STV's site. My link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasman Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 My link Thanks milky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 And to think I took a fair bit of stick at the start of this thread for repeating what I had heard........Which isn't a million miles away from what's going on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Paying at the very last minute is normal practice for big businesses. Isn't it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 And to think I took a fair bit of stick at the start of this thread for repeating what I had heard........Which isn't a million miles away from what's going on now. Then credit where it is due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coburg Hearts Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Paying at the very last minute is normal practice for big businesses. Isn't it ? you can be your usual smart arse all you want but they paid it AFTER it was due, not the last minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMc Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 We need a merkat smiley And a Fat Raffa one for every time someone ends a post with: Fact. Never been able to take that seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMc Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Instead of the broken Huns crest could they not just have ^u inserted after the F. and ^ked after the C. in that picture. That would amuse me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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