jumpship Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Only in Scotland could something like this need to happen. Only in Scotland would you get people saying that it's disgrace that we can't show our national flag/ sing our national anthem despit knowing that it is only done to provoke another group of people. The same people who regularly accuse people of not knowing what they are talking about with regards to these politics. Accusing people of being ingnorant to their past, when all they are doing is using it as a cheap gimmick in a shitty game of oneupmanship. Only in Scotland would someone use the line "is this what my grand parents fought for" when trying to defend attempts at upsetting, angering people and causing trouble and divide - ironically the thing that your grand parents fought against! Only in Scotland could there be people too ignorant to see that these are the kind of ridiculous measures that have to be taken to stop a minority of hooligans ruining it for the rest of us. If you wish to continue believing that these things are done as some super act of patriotism then carry on, but don't come on here preaching that it's a disgrace people are trying to stop these things being used to cause trouble rather than solve it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsL3QkA97nE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 This is a ridiculous law. Anything that involves the authorities curtailing a right to free speech where no violence is threatened is state repression. I have serious concerns about Salmond - with his criticism of the Law Lords and his arrogant approach to the independence referendum he is showing worrying authoritarian tendencies. Let's see who backs it in parliament. Personally I think it's impossible to legislate effectively on this subject. You have to win the hearts and minds of those involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamgerrard Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Why would anyone would want to sing God save the queen or Rule Brittania at a Heart of Midlothian match anyway? Oh thats right to taunt or wind up opposition supporters or make a bigotted statement. How about sticking to singing proper Hearts related songs and there will be no problem! coz there rangers fans without bus fare its about time we get rid of the small minority at our club if theywanna sing rangers songs n etc maybe they should go to ibrox instead of tarnishing Heart of Midlothians reputation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moogsy Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 This is a ridiculous law. Anything that involves the authorities curtailing a right to free speech where no violence is threatened is state repression. I have serious concerns about Salmond - with his criticism of the Law Lords and his arrogant approach to the independence referendum he is showing worrying authoritarian tendencies. Excellet post, agree 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Are Catholics not Christians then ? A Christian is someone who believes the teaching of the Bible, particularly as regards salvation! The Bible says in Ephesians 2:8-9, "It is by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of anything you do, so that no one may boast". The Church of Rome say that you have to do baptism, confession, church membership under their specific authority etc. to be a Christian. The Bible says in 1 Timothy 2:5-6, "There is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all". The Church of Rome teach that you have to pray to Mary, also the saints! (NB The Bible has no such office/station as "special" saints - every Christian is classed as a saint). The Bible says in Hebrews 7:27-28, "Jesus has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for His own sins and then for those of the people, since He did this once for all when He offered up Himself. For the law appoints men in their weakness as high priests, but the word of the oath, which came later than the law, appoints a Son who has been made perfect forever". The Church of Rome teaches that the Mass is a repeated sacrifice of Christ when, through transubstantiation, the bread and wine become the actual flesh and blood of Christ! On each of the above, the doctrine of Rome contradicts the Bible. And there's lots and lots more! Hope that answers your question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Let's see who backs it in parliament. Personally I think it's impossible to legislate effectively on this subject. You have to win the hearts and minds of those involved. Someone in an earlier post, I think it was KiwiDoug, indicated both Rangers and Celtic support this law dave. I for one am not in the tiniest bit surprised by that, It effectively removes any responsibility on them to control their fans. Responsibility now defers to the police to ensure the proposed law is enforced correctly. We witnessed in the Roseburn Stand during the game versus Celtic the type of reaction police involvement can cause. Can anyone honestly say they believe the police and stewards will start wading in and arresting people based on a law, that is as woolly as feck, and which the instigators cannot even comment on without getting tongue tied. The only way behaviour will change in football grounds is if there is a threat, no more than a threat, an actual deduction of points from clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 A Christian is someone who believes the teaching of the Bible, particularly as regards salvation! The Bible says in Ephesians 2:8-9, "It is by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of anything you do, so that no one may boast". The Church of Rome say that you have to do baptism, confession, church membership under their specific authority etc. to be a Christian. The Bible says in 1 Timothy 2:5-6, "There is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all". The Church of Rome teach that you have to pray to Mary, also the saints! (NB The Bible has no such office/station as "special" saints - every Christian is classed as a saint). The Bible says in Hebrews 7:27-28, "Jesus has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for His own sins and then for those of the people, since He did this once for all when He offered up Himself. For the law appoints men in their weakness as high priests, but the word of the oath, which came later than the law, appoints a Son who has been made perfect forever". The Church of Rome teaches that the Mass is a repeated sacrifice of Christ when, through transubstantiation, the bread and wine become the actual flesh and blood of Christ! On each of the above, the doctrine of Rome contradicts the Bible. And there's lots and lots more! Hope that answers your question. Anti-Catholic post, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 A Christian is someone who believes the teaching of the Bible, particularly as regards salvation! The Bible says in Ephesians 2:8-9, "It is by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of anything you do, so that no one may boast". The Church of Rome say that you have to do baptism, confession, church membership under their specific authority etc. to be a Christian. The Bible says in 1 Timothy 2:5-6, "There is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all". The Church of Rome teach that you have to pray to Mary, also the saints! (NB The Bible has no such office/station as "special" saints - every Christian is classed as a saint). The Bible says in Hebrews 7:27-28, "Jesus has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for His own sins and then for those of the people, since He did this once for all when He offered up Himself. For the law appoints men in their weakness as high priests, but the word of the oath, which came later than the law, appoints a Son who has been made perfect forever". The Church of Rome teaches that the Mass is a repeated sacrifice of Christ when, through transubstantiation, the bread and wine become the actual flesh and blood of Christ! On each of the above, the doctrine of Rome contradicts the Bible. And there's lots and lots more! Hope that answers your question. Your lining yourself up here to be referred to as a bigot by some on here Colin, by pointing out the failings within the teachings/interpretation of the Roman Catholic church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 coz there rangers fans without bus fare its about time we get rid of the small minority at our club if theywanna sing rangers songs n etc maybe they should go to ibrox instead of tarnishing Heart of Midlothians reputation Much as I love the idea it does not sit easy with me that just because you want to ban them then it must happen. We live in a democracy and whether you like it or not those people have a right to express their views and if they support Hearts albeit in a different way to how you or I might like, then I 'm afraid they can whilst remaining within the laws of our land. As I have said prev this legislation is a train wreck and it is my belief will be challanged if enforced and fail the test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moyseuk2000 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Your talking crap. The Minister told Parliament today that no one would be criminalised for singing God Save the Queen or Flower of Scotland. She did suggest crossing yourself in a provocative manner might lead to action but that could be seen to be inciteful by some folk i guess. The Government's action can be criticised because it's being rushed through, but surely most people realise something needs to be done to tackle the scourge of sectarianism in Scotland.... how can anyone be pulled up for crossing themselves when there is players doing it and what harm does it cause nothing and were a scottish club so no more god save the queen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 As an ex serviceman I have a fondness for God Save the Queen. As a Welshman I have never sung Flower of Scotland but have no problem with it being sung at football games, provided Scotland are playing of course. My question has always been what have these songs and flags got to do with Hearts? Don't give me the "Hearts are a Scottish/British club", if so why don't the ramjets who persist in dragging the club into the dark ages sing these songs and wave these flags at ALL games. Have your traditions. Just have em away from the football please. We are a scottish/brittish club though just sayin. Dont get a massive urge to sing gstq or flower of scotland at tynecastle but why not? If i want to sing about the tellytubbies at Tynecastle i will. I dont have to sing these song's elsewhere to justify singing them at the football either. We have freedom of speech in this country and banning songs that arent even offensive make a mockery of this. And enough of this cliche that if you are proud to be Brittish your a rangers fan. Its just lazy argument making by what i suspect are anti english persons. I watch video's of Hearts fans from decades ago, we have always flown the Union Flag its not a new phenomena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjl Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Your lining yourself up here to be referred to as a bigot by some on here Colin, by pointing out the failings within the teachings/interpretation of the Roman Catholic church. Not by me I have to say. I was genuinely surprised by colins' original comment which is why I asked the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Not by me I have to say. I was genuinely surprised by colins' original comment which is why I asked the question. My response was very much tongue in cheek, hence the smilie (possibly not the correct smilie to use, but I ain't no expert on smilies, and it might be the case some of them may be covered by this proposed new law ) (again tongue in cheek). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjl Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 My response was very much tongue in cheek, hence the smilie (possibly not the correct smilie to use, but I ain't no expert on smilies, and it might be the case some of them may be covered by this proposed new law ) (again tongue in cheek). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbusby6 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Thats the kind of thing people in Iceland and Ireland used to say before the financial crash. Both countries have had it tough but no one in Iceland is suggesting they go back to Danish rule or anyone in Ireland advocating returning to Britain. Time for Scotland to stand up for ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Both countries have had it tough but no one in Iceland is suggesting they go back to Danish rule or anyone in Ireland advocating returning to Britain. Time for Scotland to stand up for ourselves. I dont want to! I voted snp because they were offering closer to what i want but i think you will find that the majority of Scots will vote against independance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbusby6 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 I dont want to! I voted snp because they were offering closer to what i want but i think you will find that the majority of Scots will vote against independance. You are probably right but its time Scots started thinking as Scots not Brits.There's lots of talent and energy in this country which could be harnessed to make an independent Scotland a success. (not saying it will be easy!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 You are probably right but its time Scots started thinking as Scots not Brits.There's lots of talent and energy in this country which could be harnessed to make an independent Scotland a success. (not saying it will be easy!) I think we do think as Scots and there is talent etc its a great country, im more passionately scottish than Brittish but i am still pretty happy being part of Britain.A thought just occurred, if The sfa are so glasgow clique imagine if we were governed by those similar?? I think our best bet is more devolved power rather than independance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbusby6 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 I think we do think as Scots and there is talent etc its a great country, im more passionately scottish than Brittish but i am still pretty happy being part of Britain.A thought just occurred, if The sfa are so glasgow clique imagine if we were governed by those similar?? I think our best bet is more devolved power rather than independance. Fair enough but ultimately the result of more devolved power is independence. I've no time for the GFa either but even less time for english tories having a say in scottish affairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fabienleclerq Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Fair enough but ultimately the result of more devolved power is independence. I've no time for the GFa either but even less time for english tories having a say in scottish affairs. Maybe or even some kind of independance with a swiss style trade "thingy" with Britain. Probably not the thread for this though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Before people go getting all upset/excited about oppression and opportunities for expression (or the lack thereof), it might be an idea to actually read the thing and see what it says. You can do that here: http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/s4/bills/01-offbehfoot/index.htm Haven't read it yet but if it's going to stop the morons from continuing to drag our club's name through the mud with their neddy antics then I think I like it already nonetheless... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 And they're discussing it right now on Newsnight Scotland BBC2 if anyone's interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney from Sydney Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='Happy Hearts' timestamp='1308679 Is this what my grandparents fought for? Why were the fighting in the first place ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 This is a ridiculous law. Anything that involves the authorities curtailing a right to free speech where no violence is threatened is state repression. I have serious concerns about Salmond - with his criticism of the Law Lords and his arrogant approach to the independence referendum he is showing worrying authoritarian tendencies. Top post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTBCAL Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 I crossed myself at a football game last season tbh. And then Kello saved Goodwillie's penalty..... Serioisly why would you want to cross yourself or wear a red glove..... ohh wait...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbusby6 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Maybe or even some kind of independance with a swiss style trade "thingy" with Britain. Probably not the thread for this though! Oh trade with England after independence is a given.But you are right, this is possibly not the thread for what we've been saying. Enjoying a civilised argument with you though mate! Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcjambo Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Works both ways - Scottish socialists have led the UK to the brink of ruin. There are plenty in England who had to tolerate the Brown tyranny as part of the democratic process. Fair enough but ultimately the result of more devolved power is independence. I've no time for the GFa either but even less time for english tories having a say in scottish affairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_jambo Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 They don't even let me wear the sash anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribery's Face Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Now THAT is a post. Well done sir. The OP should read this post many times until it sinks in. agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribery's Face Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Worst post I have ever read on kickback. ( but if you are under 12, good effort son and stick in) you think that came from a 12 year old? tell you what if thats true he talks alot more sense and alot less shite than you do my friend. patriotic my big hairy backside! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Plissken Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 'A mighty haul indeed!' The OP reflects on his work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somakeanoise Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 Surely both will upset our neighbours in the east of Glasgow? Surely a crime is a crime no matter what? Sticks and stones and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independence Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 First last week saying you could get chucked out for waving the Union flag, now you can be jailed for singing God save the Queen, Rule Britannia or "aggressively" making the sign of the cross. No mention of IRA chants or rebel songs. This is a complete joke. I am British and Scottish. I am proud of my country. The SNP are a joke. What OTT, dramatic tosh! Not like a Unionist to try and stir things up? Please stick to the facts? Are you Ian Paisley in disguise? Never, never, never! I am Scottish and European so there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independence Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 I like the cut of your jib Bobsharp. Well said. I'm no fan of the union flag or the 'national' anthem but as you eloquently implied, there's a time and a place for these things. And, Tynecastle isn't one of them. With all due respect Bob, I salute you! I feel quite proud that our ain government has the b@lls to at least try to do something about it. However flawed the legislation is, it is a step in the right direction. Correct and the Government would be slated if they did nothing as Labour governments have year after year? That is why sectarianism is still the problem it has been for the 50 years I have supported Hearts.the SNP are in power because of a landslide victory and this legislation was in their manifesto! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 I sincerely hope that my grandfather didn't bomb the shit out of Dresden just so I could sing God Save the Queen at Hearts matches. I hope there was something more to it than that. As an aside, I LOVE the faux outrage some can show on here - and I LOVE EVEN MORE the real outrage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 Works both ways - Scottish socialists have led the UK to the brink of ruin. There are plenty in England who had to tolerate the Brown tyranny as part of the democratic process. Come on Tommy Sheridan and his ex mates colin fox and others can be blamed for many things but brining the UK to the brink of ruin isnt one of them , Calling new labour socialist is some leap of imagination . I would say it was the big banks and there reckless greed that has got us where we are rather thank useless politicians. Back to GstQ still to work out from whom she needs saved or why a just god would favour her over anybody else . Nobody as stated will be charged for just singing the anthem but will be if its used along with flags etc to incite trouble dont see whats wrong with that myself . People claim it goes against free speach with that rite comes the expectation to behave and respect others . Will be a good law if done right but i expect it wont be . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Hearts Posted June 22, 2011 Author Share Posted June 22, 2011 What OTT, dramatic tosh! Not like a Unionist to try and stir things up? Please stick to the facts? Are you Ian Paisley in disguise? Never, never, never! I am Scottish and European so there! Scottish and European? Well sticking to facts, you would prefer to be guided in law by the Germans (and other Europeans countries) rather than having the support of our neighbours in the UK? Exactly what our grandparents fought for. Stick to watching Braveheart on loop. It is thoughts like that of yourself that highlight everything that is wrong with this country. God save the Queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Cheever Loophole Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 Scottish and European? Well sticking to facts, you would prefer to be guided in law by the Germans (and other Europeans countries) rather than having the support of our neighbours in the UK? Exactly what our grandparents fought for. Stick to watching Braveheart on loop. It is thoughts like that of yourself that highlight everything that is wrong with this country. God save the Queen. My Grandfathers certainly fought for our country,the Paternal Grandfather was shot in the stomach,outside Dunkirk,but they didn't fight so we could sing a song,asking for the protection and the advancement of an inbreed German FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanB Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 In an attempt to offend everyone, the OP aggresively made the sign of the cross, the star of David and the Islamic crescent moon at the same time, whilst wearing his Union Jack pyjamas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 In an attempt to offend everyone, the OP aggresively made the sign of the cross, the star of David and the Islamic crescent moon at the same time, whilst wearing his Union Jack pyjamas. Is that happy hearts with his knickers in a twist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 In an attempt not to offend, supporters across Scotland intend to hum along to every tune and there are rumours of Kazoo sections being formed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 people singing gstq really need to re-evaluate the implications of their decisions. for hundreds of years they have been singing this song and every monarch up till now has died. it seems god isnt on the monarch's side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahgrassyshoes Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 When you see spectators at Wimbledon this week waving saltires, union flags etc do you say to yourself "what the hell has flags got to do with tennis?" or do you think that these folk are raving nationalists that are waving saltires or unionists waving the union flag ? The people are supporting Murray and are not doing it to wind up Roger federer or whoever. They are adding colour and excitment to the occasion, why can't football fans do the same without people thinking they are trying to wind folk up or make a political point. The snp are making an arse of themselves, none of this would have came about if neil lennon hadn't acted like an idiot and the catholic church hadn't try to wind everybody up. No, but I never said the flags weren't relevent at football. And I never said that they were all raving nationalists/unionists. I said that these symbols and songs have been hijacked as political propoganda and used to stoke violence. Put simply because they don't. The people with flags at the tennis spend the majority of their time watching tennis. The people with the flags at the football spend most of their time goading the away fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Jersey_HMFC Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 If someone is arrested for singing GSTQ or making a sign of the cross its unlikely they will actually get prosecuted as a judge will just read it down as being a disproportionate interference with one's Article 10 ECHR right to freedom of expression. Neither of the above have any relevance to a football game between 2 scottish football teams but locking people up for them seems very disprop. I think if people are offended by either of the above they need to take a long hard look at themselves. I recall a hibby in the Roseburn doing a "sign of the cross" but actually getting it wrong I pointed out to him the right way to do it, wonder if I would have got arrested, cant remember how aggressive I was! Re GSTQ what are they going to do when English teams come up for pre season friendlies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardboardcutout Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 First last week saying you could get chucked out for waving the Union flag, now you can be jailed for singing God save the Queen, Rule Britannia or "aggressively" making the sign of the cross. No mention of IRA chants or rebel songs. This is a complete joke. I am British and Scottish. I am proud of my country. The SNP are a joke. May by thy mighty aid Victory bring May he sedition hush And like a torrent rush Rebellious Scots to crush God save the King what are you now British!! or Scottish No idea why this song is not on the racist banned list!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DikT. Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 As alluded to by someone earlier, we are also European. Why do we not wave EU flags? Ban the lot of them except maroon flags. Sing GSTQ or FoS? Don't see why I need to express my nationality at a football match, I am supporting my team, not my country. Going abroad in Europe? OK, wee bitty different, but as my club is representing Scotland then that is who I would represent. All this would obviously fail when we join a British league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambonian Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 Funny how the only club to sing GSTQ are Rangers in Scotland and usually get drowned out with boos and whistles while they do it by us. This isn't to do with football but a response to the other knobeads that sing Irish stuff who also get the same treatment. I laugh when they say shecht like " i'm British and proud" funny that, i'm British aswell but Scottish first and foremost, the same as other clubs' fans who, incidentally boo and whistle when the bigottbrothers visit their grounds. I don't talk to Rangers fans if they are in my resort when i'm on holiday even if they see me wearing Hearts tops, why? because other nationalities identify the UJ with England and troublemakers and i definitely don't want to be seen the same. You can be fairly sure that the saddos and gloryhunters that support Rangers have some sort of UJ piece of tat with them. So leave the GSTQ pash where it belongs, and it's not Tynie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 I'm unsure of what this "law" is trying to address, surely any aggressive behaviour towards an individual or group is punishable by current law anyway. If you choose to be aggressive, by shouting, swearing, singing, crossing yourself, waving a flag then a breach of the peace or some such charge would apply regardless. This new "law" only makes it easier for those commiting the offence to defend themselves in a court? The bottom line is recent events in football have caused a knee jerk reaction from the SNP goons, when the actual problem is far more deep rooted out with football, which is where they should be focusing their attention and by default the problems at football will be irradicated. It is no crime to be a unionist unfortunaley in this country it is quickly becoming the case, a lot of which is brought on by ignorance and bigotry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMBO.LOU Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 for those who are clearly outraged by the legislation I am guessing you were all unphased when Boruc turned to the hearts support and crossed himself? do you sing GSTQ on a regular basis or do you only choose to be British when Celtic and Hibs come to Tynecastle? as for : is this what my grandparents fought for you think you grandparents fought for your right to sing GSTQ?? I think not!! and I am damn it is not what my ancestors fought and died for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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