The Brow Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 the difference in how we're reading it is you stopping taking brackets as the most important once you've resolved what's inside them. I'm taking the operation of multiplying on the brackets as more important than the division as the bracket still exists - until you fully resolve the brackets, inside & out, then they are paramount. IMO This is correct which is why the rule is BOMDAS and not BODMAS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 the difference in how we're reading it is you stopping taking brackets as the most important once you've resolved what's inside them. I'm taking the operation of multiplying on the brackets as more important than the division as the bracket still exists - until you fully resolve the brackets, inside & out, then they are paramount. IMO Do things IN brackets first. http://www.mathsisfun.com/operation-order-bodmas.html 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad-Stupid Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 FWIW I thought it was 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 BODMAS... BOMDAS... no matter. it's division OR multiplication BEFORE addition OR subtraction. so for the people trying to use BODMAS or even BOMDAS to prove it's 1.... http://www.mathsisfun.com/operation-order-bodmas.html therefore it's actually 9. hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Grimes Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 This is correct which is why the rule is BOMDAS and not BODMAS. no, as Riley said earlier, multiplication & division are equally important so left to right would become the correct order. Dave, I disagree about the "in" part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Winchester Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 This is correct which is why the rule is BOMDAS and not BODMAS. You're wrong. BODMAS and BOMDAS are the same thing. Division and Multiplication are equal and changing their order does not make any difference to the answer. (2*2) divide by 2 = 2 2 * (2 divide by 2) = 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brow Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 no, as Riley said earlier, multiplication & division are equally important so left to right would become the correct order. Dave, I disagree about the "in" part It is 6 and half a dozen almost, but using BOMDAS you get a neater equation when working with more complex problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Grimes Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Put (3) or (1+2) into a calculator and see what you get you'll get 3. which doesn't help decide whether the action on the product of the brackets comes before multiplication or division elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Winchester Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 you'll get 3. which doesn't help decide whether the action on the product of the brackets comes before multiplication or division elsewhere. It does though My earlier example was wrong in the sense the brackets shouldn't have really still been there. 6/2(1+2) = 6/2*3 = 3*3 = 9 Seriously does noone have a scientific calculator? The answers 9 guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 bunged the formula into excel, recommends a correction 6?2 x(1+2)and the answer is 9. (Which was my first thought.) Those saying 1 are WUMs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychocAndy Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I thought 9 straight away but after much analysis and reading this thread I have come to the conclusion that it is still 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coburg Hearts Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 When I was at school over 50 years ago the answer would definitely be 9, so unless maths has changed in the intervening years the answer is still 9. It's a no brainer as far as I can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 When I was at school over 50 years ago the answer would definitely be 9, so unless maths has changed in the intervening years the answer is still 9. It's a no brainer as far as I can see. I left school 30 years ago and this was my first thought also...but then I never went to University so maybe it changes when you get there Hopes the answer is 9 to save his already rank reputation on JKB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambothump Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Brackets Over Division Multiplication Addition Subtraction This makes the answer 1 Ninja "O" is for "Of" as in, "power of". "over" is the same as "divided by" and if BODMAS (or BEDMAS) is anything, what it's not is repetitive. However, your conclusion is correct; the answer is 1. Google is wrong; Excel is wrong and anyone else saying 9 is wrong too. When dividing, resolve the denominator (2(1+2)) before slapping on the numerator. I should know. I'm a Mathematician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sten Guns Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 1 in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Brackets come first, so: 6/2(1+2) = 6 / 2(3) = 6 / 2 x 3 If it was 6/(2(1+2)), it'd be 1, but because the first two isn't bracketed, it's 9...I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I know what 2(3) is. But you have 6/2(3). There is no operation inside the brackets therefore the first part of BODMAS at this point is DM and going left to right the first occurence is 6/2. The above equates to 6/2 to the power 3. 6/2 to the power three is 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romanov Stole My Pension Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Definitely 1. As has already been said 6/2(1+2) is different from 6/2*(1+2). Also, if you were to expand out the brackets: 6/2(1+3) =6/(2+4) =6/6 =1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 "O" is for "Of" as in, "power of". "over" is the same as "divided by" and if BODMAS (or BEDMAS) is anything, what it's not is repetitive. However, your conclusion is correct; the answer is 1. Google is wrong; Excel is wrong and anyone else saying 9 is wrong too. When dividing, resolve the denominator (2(1+2)) before slapping on the numerator. I should know. I'm a Mathematician. ooft!!! some heavyweight support for the 1 camp. the three scientific calculators i tried must all be wrong too. they said 9. we need klaatu to sort this oot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sten Guns Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 People that think 9 People that think 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Brackets come first, so: 6/2(1+2) = 6 / 2(3) = 6 / 2 x 3 If it was 6/(2(1+2)), it'd be 1, but because the first two isn't bracketed, it's 9...I think. Or possibly 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coburg Hearts Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I left school 30 years ago and this was my first thought also...but then I never went to University so maybe it changes when you get there Hopes the answer is 9 to save his already rank reputation on JKB Goal average!! Now that was complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romanov Stole My Pension Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 For those of you getting 9, what would be the answer to the following: x/xy I'd imagine you would be getting y, whereas I would say it is 1/y because the two terms which are immediately beside one another are multiplied first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 "O" is for "Of" as in, "power of". "over" is the same as "divided by" and if BODMAS (or BEDMAS) is anything, what it's not is repetitive. However, your conclusion is correct; the answer is 1. Google is wrong; Excel is wrong and anyone else saying 9 is wrong too. When dividing, resolve the denominator (2(1+2)) before slapping on the numerator. I should know. I'm a Mathematician. Pfffft! I do stuff at work (occassionaly) and it's 9 (degree qualified g/f thinks it's 1, Mup!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 Sticking with 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 The way you've written that the answer would be 1. 2(3) is the same as saying 2 to the power three, ie. 2 + 2 +2, which equals 6, therefore the end answer would be 6/6, which equals 1. You're all over the place here. 2(3) would be 2 x 3. If that was a self contained part of the sum, it'd equal 6. For that to be the case, the sum would have to be 6 / (2x3), which it isn't. It's 6 / 2 x 3. 2 to the power three wouldn't be 2+2+2, it'd be 2 x 2 x 2, which'd be 8. And that definitely wouldn't be represented by 2(3), it'd be represented by 23. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 You're all over the place here. 2(3) would be 2 x 3. If that was a self contained part of the sum, it'd equal 6. For that to be the case, the sum would have to be 6 / (2x3), which it isn't. It's 6 / 2 x 3. 2 to the power three wouldn't be 2+2+2, it'd be 2 x 2 x 2, which'd be 8. And that definitely wouldn't be represented by 2(3), it'd be represented by 23. Yes, I realised that after I'd written it all, that it didn't make an ounce of sense. I am successfully managing to confuse myself, the way I was writing it the answer would be 0.75 (maybe ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sten Guns Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Surely the division sign separates the two parts of the equation. Written as a fraction if you like. Thus implying that there are imaginary brackets around the 2(2+1), because before you can divide the denominator must be in it's simplest form? So really it is (2(2+1)). So; 6 -------- (2(2+1)) 6 ------- 2(2) 6 ------- 6 Now divide. 1 Or am I taking crap?! Either way I'm sticking with 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboRossi79 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 1 That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield Terrier Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 It's 1 Read it as 6 (numerator) divided by 2(1+2) (denominator) Calculate the brackets first in the denominator 6 divided by 2 (3) So 6/6 = 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 1. What a geeky thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Surely the division sign separates the two parts of the equation. Written as a fraction if you like. Thus implying that there are imaginary brackets around the 2(2+1), because before you can divide the denominator must be in it's simplest form? So really it is (2(2+1)). So; 6 -------- (2(2+1)) 6 ------- 2(2) 6 ------- 6 Now divide. 1 Or am I taking crap?! Either way I'm sticking with 1. BODMAS / BEDMAS has already been mentioned, and it's the key here. 2(1+2) = 2 x (1+2), meaning that the whole sum can be expressed as 6 / 2 x (1+2) or 6/2x3, as opposed to 6/(2x3). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Since there are no transients, 3rd derivatives, triganomic functions or mince pies involved, though drinking bovril will help the answer is very very simple. It is 9, or nine or six upside down, or 1x9. It's simple arithmetic, doesn't even hit the maths scale, but knowing a mathematician helps ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 It's 1 Read it as 6 (numerator) divided by 2(1+2) (denominator) Calculate the brackets first in the denominator 6 divided by 2 (3) So 6/6 = 1. perhaps the key lies in someone conclusively proving that multiplication or division definitely takes primacy over the other, or if someone can prove that this isn't the case and that after dealing with the bracketed part of the equation, you simply move left to right. yet another link suggests the answers arrived at using two ways used on two different continents. http://coding.derkeiler.com/Archive/C_CPP/comp.lang.c/2006-06/msg04066.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romanov Stole My Pension Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 BODMAS / BEDMAS has already been mentioned, and it's the key here. 2(1+2) = 2 x (1+2), meaning that the whole sum can be expressed as 6 / 2 x (1+2) or 6/2x3, as opposed to 6/(2x3). Hmm... 2(1+2)=2*(1+2) but 6/2(1+2)=6/(2*(1+2)) 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 But the answer is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 If you express it a little differently 6 ------ 2(1+2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southside1874 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 The answer is 1, you have to get rid of the brackets first. Everything in the brackets is multiplied by 2 first. 2(x+y) = 2x+2y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 If you express it a little differently 6 ------ 2(1+2) That's the way it reads to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Winchester Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Warning: Swearing http://i52.tinypic.com/dn2j9e.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southside1874 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 (6/2)x(2+1) = 9 but thats not what it says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasman Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I got 7...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smack Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 x/y(z+y)=x/yz+y^2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsmak Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 People who say 9 are hobos and like Hitler and they are gay. It's been said that u need to get rid of the brackets first. So you need to do 2(1+2) before anything else. Simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest C00l K1d Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 6/2(1+2) Brackets first = 6/2 (3) Divide second 3(3) = 3x3 = 9. inbetween the 6/2 and the (1+2) there is a multiplication you just don't see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 ooft!!! some heavyweight support for the 1 camp. the three scientific calculators i tried must all be wrong too. they said 9. we need klaatu to sort this oot... Any man that needs a calculator to do a spot of basic, single-digit arithmetic really shouldn't be allowed to have a calculator. While you've got it, try: (2002-(299 x 3)) x 8 x 17 When you're finished, turn the calculator upside down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 the simple answer is that where ambiguity exists, use parentheses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ultraviolet Catastrophe Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I got 7...... YAS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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