?450,000 Turned Down For Bryson

[CJGJ]

That to me is the most interesting part of the Hartley/Bryson saga.

 

If true then Vlad has indeed been prepared to back JJ with real cash and not just those out of contract players.

Now do we wait and see re Bryson or is there another target out there who would also command a fee and that Vlad would be willing to put up the cash for ?

[linkin- hearts]

That to me is the most interesting part of the Hartley/Bryson saga.

 

If true then Vlad has indeed been prepared to back JJ with real cash and not just those out of contract players.

Now do we wait and see re Bryson or is there another target out there who would also command a fee and that Vlad would be willing to put up the cash for ?

 

Personally i'd wait, as someone posted earlier if they go down this season we'd get him cheaper than that. Plus if PH is coming a midfielder isn't as big a priority as another front man:mellow:

[P-Dizzle]

If ?450,000 was really turned down, then we walk away.

 

I know JJ rates Bryson, but I'm sure he can find someone better for the kind of money we'd need to spend to sign this guy.

[Bootboy100]

That to me is the most interesting part of the Hartley/Bryson saga.

 

If true then Vlad has indeed been prepared to back JJ with real cash and not just those out of contract players.

Now do we wait and see re Bryson or is there another target out there who would also command a fee and that Vlad would be willing to put up the cash for ?

 

As much as I want Bryson here I would now rather we went after other targets and put Bryson on the back burner for the time being.

[Das Root]

Killie will crap it before the window closes and will end up taking less. All bluster and no substance when it really counts.

[frankblack]

If Killie have turned down ?450k, I think we should look elsewhere as you could buy considerably better with that kind of money.

 

An SPL player with no international caps, playing for a club who have been in the relegation zone for the last few years, cannot be valued at or above that price.

[Guest Bilel Mohsni]

That to me is the most interesting part of the Hartley/Bryson saga.

 

If true then Vlad has indeed been prepared to back JJ with real cash and not just those out of contract players.

Now do we wait and see re Bryson or is there another target out there who would also command a fee and that Vlad would be willing to put up the cash for ?

 

You're spot on there. If that quoted price is correct then it should not be tears before bed-time that we were knocked back for Bryson... The mere fact that Vlad is willing to back JJ to that tune is good news.

 

I hope we bring in another striker now with that money and use one of our accademy kids or Stevenson in the attacking mid role and then get Bryson cheaper in January. MJ must be mental to turn down that sort of cash when his club are in such bother, seems like a fair price for a guy who has never finished in the top-six and has no trophies or European/international experience, when the bank are threatening action against your club for money.

 

I would be content with another striker, Paul Hartley and then filling CAM from within our ranks and then going back in for Bryson or getting someone else in January.

[The Gasman]

As much as I want Bryson here I would now rather we went after other targets and put Bryson on the back burner for the time being.

 

Agreed

 

....and to be fair, it looks as if that's exactly what we have done.

[jambotony]

Agreed

 

....and to be fair, it looks as if that's exactly what we have done.

 

According o the Scotsman, Killiw want ?450k for Bryson, it doesn't say we've offered that.

[portobellojambo1]

According o the Scotsman, Killie want ?450k for Bryson, it doesn't say we've offered that.

 

I think our offer was supposed to be around ?350K, if Kilmarnock have knocked it back for the sake of ?100K, when there appears to be no other interest in the player, I'd imagine their bankers will be far from happy with them.

 

Wouldn't be surprised if our attention now switches to Lee Miller at Middlesbrough, given I believe he is now surplus to requirements following the arrival of Kris Boyd.

[GforGallo]

According o the Scotsman, Killiw want ?450k for Bryson, it doesn't say we've offered that.

 

No, the Scotsman says:

 

While Hartley looks set to return, one player who is unlikely to be joining this summer is midfielder Bryson. Cash-strapped Kilmarnock are demanding more than the ?450,000 Hearts are willing to offer

[CJGJ]

According o the Scotsman, Killiw want ?450k for Bryson, it doesn't say we've offered that.

Then I suggest you read it again as it quite clearly states what we have been willing to bid not what Killie want.

 

http://sport.scotsman.com/football/Hartley-on-brink-of-Hearts.6426064.jp

[Tasavallan]

Killie are wanting more than the 450K offered for Bryson yet Hearts are looking for 3500K for Driver. Now granted Driver is further along the evolutionary chain but is he worth the equivalent of 8 Brysons?

 

I know the answer is that Driver is worth what a team is willing to pay and Burnley have set the benchmark, but I can see why Killie would be looking for considerably more than what Hearts are reported to have offered , especially for a player contracted until Summer 2013.

 

 

[ericb]

I suspect that if theres any truth whatsoever to the 450K, then Bryson will sign for Hearts at midnight as the transfer window closes

[frankblack]

Killie are wanting more than the 450K offered for Bryson yet Hearts are looking for 3500K for Driver. Now granted Driver is further along the evolutionary chain but is he worth the equivalent of 8 Brysons?

 

I know the answer is that Driver is worth what a team is willing to pay and Burnley have set the benchmark, but I can see why Killie would be looking for considerably more than what Hearts are reported to have offered , especially for a player contracted until Summer 2013.

 

Transfer fees are based on what one club is willing to pay another.

 

Generally players on the brink of full international caps as appears to be the case with Driver, are worth more than players who aren't. Bryson isn't on Craig Levein's radar at the moment, again mainly because he is playing for a lower profile side who haven't been playing well.

 

In the times I've seen us play Killie, Bryson has not exactly stood out as a player who would cause us problems, whereas someone like Craig Conway of Dundee United clearly does (not that we have been linked with him).

[ToadKiller Dog]

Killie are wanting more than the 450K offered for Bryson yet Hearts are looking for 3500K for Driver. Now granted Driver is further along the evolutionary chain but is he worth the equivalent of 8 Brysons?

 

I know the answer is that Driver is worth what a team is willing to pay and Burnley have set the benchmark, but I can see why Killie would be looking for considerably more than what Hearts are reported to have offered , especially for a player contracted until Summer 2013.

 

Both are in different markets the english market has money to spend and the price for a player may be 8x in value if clearly not worth .

Unless a player in that market comes in for Bryson then with the money flying around in Scotland 450,000 is a very good price ,Killie could allow a bit to spend on a few signings and chip a bit off debt .

It also seems we are the only ones at this time , Do Killie want to price themselves out and be left with an unhappy player and no money ,could leave themselves in a real mess as there debt at this time is more of a serious risk to them . Romanov at this time is protecting our debt they dont have that luxury .

[Guest Bilel Mohsni]

Killie are wanting more than the 450K offered for Bryson yet Hearts are looking for 3500K for Driver. Now granted Driver is further along the evolutionary chain but is he worth the equivalent of 8 Brysons?

 

I know the answer is that Driver is worth what a team is willing to pay and Burnley have set the benchmark, but I can see why Killie would be looking for considerably more than what Hearts are reported to have offered , especially for a player contracted until Summer 2013.

 

 

 

I may be a little bit off with some of these comparisons, so feel free to correct any if you know better. This is off the top of my head and I have not checked the facts on a website.

 

Is the difference in price not fairly reflected in their experience?...

 

Bryson ?350,000.

 

On Killie wages, my guess would be less than a grand p/w.

At a club that he has never finished in the top 6 with.

No experience of European football.

Not an internationalist.

25 years old.

 

Driver ?3,500,000

 

On Hearts wages, my guess would be about three grand a week plus,

At a club that has finished second, third and fourth with him in the team.

England U21 internationalist.

Soon to be a full Scottish internationalist.

Played in UEFA Champion's League and UEFA Cup.

23 years old.

 

Plus teh fact that we have had interest in Driver and knocked back 3 million and 2.5 million from a coupl;e of clubs whereas we are the only ones that appear interested in Bryson just now.

 

As I said, some of those stats may be innacurate, so feel free to challenge them.

[winston churchill]

so the injury prone/when will he kick a ball this season driver.

 

is worth 6/7/8 times bryson.

[Guest Bilel Mohsni]

so the injury prone/when will he kick a ball this season driver.

 

is worth 6/7/8 times bryson.

 

Exactly

[Gigolo-Aunt]

so the injury prone/when will he kick a ball this season driver.

 

is worth 6/7/8 times bryson.

 

 

 

 

You can smell Driver's name in a thread.

 

[jamborich]

I may be a little bit off with some of these comparisons, so feel free to correct any if you know better. This is off the top of my head and I have not checked the facts on a website.

 

Is the difference in price not fairly reflected in their experience?...

 

Bryson ?350,000.

 

On Killie wages, my guess would be less than a grand p/w.

At a club that he has never finished in the top 6 with.

No experience of European football.

Not an internationalist.

25 years old.

 

Driver ?3,500,000

 

On Hearts wages, my guess would be about three grand a week plus,

At a club that has finished second, third and fourth with him in the team.

England U21 internationalist.

Soon to be a full Scottish internationalist.

Played in UEFA Champion's League and UEFA Cup.

23 years old.

 

Plus teh fact that we have had interest in Driver and knocked back 3 million and 2.5 million from a coupl;e of clubs whereas we are the only ones that appear interested in Bryson just now.

 

As I said, some of those stats may be innacurate, so feel free to challenge them.

 

Bryson is 23 Scotland u21 internationalist with the potential to make the the full national team, he is also relatively fit.

 

Driver on the other hand is injury prone and could be a risk, there is no doubting Drivers ability when fit but how often have we seen it.

 

Personally i think the difference in price is rediculous, ?350,000 for Bryson is a steal in my opinion

[winston churchill]

Bryson is 23 Scotland u21 internationalist with the potential to make the the full national team, he is also relatively fit.

 

Driver on the other hand is injury prone and could be a risk, there is no doubting Drivers ability when fit but how often have we seen it.

 

Personally i think the difference in price is rediculous, ?350,000 for Bryson is a steal in my opinion

 

bryson has also played more SPL games than glass legs.

[hawaii]

Mixu must be frothing at the mouth.

 

Has he not said that he needs about half a dozen players?

 

Doesn't help the manager if the chairman holds out till the end of the transfer window now does it?

[Guest Bilel Mohsni]

bryson has also played more SPL games than glass legs.

 

And achieved the square root of F' all.

[Guest Bilel Mohsni]

Bryson is 23 Scotland u21 internationalist with the potential to make the the full national team, he is also relatively fit.

 

Driver on the other hand is injury prone and could be a risk, there is no doubting Drivers ability when fit but how often have we seen it.

 

Personally i think the difference in price is rediculous, ?350,000 for Bryson is a steal in my opinion

 

He will not make the Scotland team at Killie. Boyd was scoring for fun and could not do it... Naismith is another example. Many players have made the Scotland starting place their own while at Hearts.

 

Bryson could become worth as much as Driver if he switched to Hearts and got his International experience and some experience in Europe with a top six club.

 

Driver has had a bad season through injury but I see no reason to suspect he will do so again, he had his complaint seen to and went to another specialist to receive treatment that is hailed as being able to completely clear up his kind of niggle.... Do you know something the reset of us do not about his medical records?

[stevie]

How much will we need to pay for him at the end of the season after Killie have been relegated and are on the brink of going tits up.

[Guest Bilel Mohsni]

How much will we need to pay for him at the end of the season after Killie have been relegated and are on the brink of going tits up.

 

That would be nice but if that was the case then maybe there would be more competition to sign him... Risks either way i suppose.

[vegas-voss]

?450,000 turned down well I think we should just leave it at that.Let's see if we can get a striker in instead griffiths maybe ?

 

To be honest quite happy with Black,Eggert,Harley,Ruben and Stevenson fighting it out for central midfield with Driver,Suso,Templeton and Novikovas for the wide roles.

[vegas-voss]

?450,000 turned down well I think we should just leave it at that.Let's see if we can get a striker in instead griffiths maybe ?

 

To be honest quite happy with Black,Eggert,Harley,Ruben and Stevenson fighting it out for central midfield with Driver,Suso,Templeton and Novikovas for the wide roles.

[IMA MAROON]

bryson has also played more SPL games than glass legs.

 

But Driver has played 86 games and scored 16 goals for Hearts

and Bryson has played 85 games and scored 10 goals for Killie

 

And Driver is a year younger.

[winston churchill]

And achieved the square root of F' all.

who,

 

bryson or sicknote.

[jamboinglasgow]

bryson has also played more SPL games than glass legs.

 

explain how one season of injuries (when he even played a third of a season) makes Andrew Driver injury prone?????

[hawaii]

who,

 

bryson or sicknote.

 

Don't understand why a fan would constantly have a go at one of our teams best players.

 

Aren't there other players out there at other teams for you to rant at?

 

Here, let me help you - Broadfoot, Riordan, McGeady

 

Unless you have some not so hidden agenda against Andy Driver??

[Jambof3tornado]

Mixu must be frothing at the mouth.

 

Has he not said that he needs about half a dozen players?

 

Doesn't help the manager if the chairman holds out till the end of the transfer window now does it?

 

 

Lets not pretend that the Killie chairman was going to give Mixu any of the Bryson cash. Mixu would be allowed to use some of the freed up wages but thats all. Killie will not spend a brass bean on bringing in new players,and would be crazy to do so.

[Slap]

But Driver has played 86 games and scored 16 goals for Hearts

and Bryson has played 85 games and scored 10 goals for Killie

 

And Driver is a year younger.

 

 

Its amazing what you uncover when you look at the facts!!

[Guest Bilel Mohsni]

Bryson, Drivers achievments are clearly in Europe and at international levels.

 

Depends how much value you place on such things

 

(Sicknote) sounds like something I would expect from a Hobo tbh... Such contempt for Hearts players

[Tommy Wiseau]

What a turn up for the books to see Winston get ripped up for arse paper after talking pish on here.

 

Oh, wait. It isn't. Carry on.

[Feeno]

There's a massive void to fill outwith working hours, Winston is doin his best.

[winston churchill]

Don't understand why a fan would constantly have a go at one of our teams best players.

 

Aren't there other players out there at other teams for you to rant at?

 

Here, let me help you - Broadfoot, Riordan, McGeady

 

Unless you have some not so hidden agenda against Andy Driver??

i am not having a go at driver.

 

i am having a go at posters who are making him out as some kind of world beater.

 

the boy has/had injury problems.

 

can anybody in the know tell us if/when he will be fit again?

 

i'll say it again,in my opinion he is worth(if fit)2 million.

 

i hope the deal we turned down from burnley does not come back and take a chunk out our bottoms.

[scott_jambo]

i am not having a go at driver.

 

i am having a go at posters who are making him out as some kind of world beater.

 

the boy has/had injury problems.

 

can anybody in the know tell us if/when he will be fit again?

 

i'll say it again,in my opinion he is worth(if fit)2 million.

 

i hope the deal we turned down from burnley does not come back and take a chunk out our bottoms.

 

1st in bold = I would like evidence of this on this thread or otherwise, cheers.

 

2nd in bold = Mr Romanov is a better business man than you could ever dream to be. Especially when it comes to acheiving maximum value for our assets.

[winston churchill]

Bryson, Drivers achievments are clearly in Europe and at international levels.

 

Depends how much value you place on such things

 

(Sicknote) sounds like something I would expect from a Hobo tbh... Such contempt for Hearts players

 

 

players from kidderminster harriers /portvale and arsenals youth teams have been capped at under 21 level.

 

jamie the mole and silky suso have played in europe.does that mean they are worth more than bryson.

[winston churchill]

1st in bold = I would like evidence of this on this thread or otherwise, cheers.

 

2nd in bold = Mr Romanov is a better business man than you could ever dream to be. Especially when it comes to acheiving maximum value for our assets.

 

 

jose.

[Tommy Wiseau]

jose.

 

craig.

 

 

 

(this is fun)

[winston churchill]

craig.

 

 

 

(this is fun)

 

nade.

[Tommy Wiseau]

nade.

 

 

YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

 

We're talking about players Romanov got the maximum possible resale value from. I would confidently say we achieved that with Nade.

 

 

hartley.

[Tasavallan]

I may be a little bit off with some of these comparisons, so feel free to correct any if you know better. This is off the top of my head and I have not checked the facts on a website.

 

Is the difference in price not fairly reflected in their experience?...

 

Bryson ?350,000.

 

On Killie wages, my guess would be less than a grand p/w.

At a club that he has never finished in the top 6 with.

No experience of European football.

Not an internationalist.

25 years old.

 

Driver ?3,500,000

 

On Hearts wages, my guess would be about three grand a week plus,

At a club that has finished second, third and fourth with him in the team.

England U21 internationalist.

Soon to be a full Scottish internationalist.

Played in UEFA Champion's League and UEFA Cup.

23 years old.

 

Plus teh fact that we have had interest in Driver and knocked back 3 million and 2.5 million from a coupl;e of clubs whereas we are the only ones that appear interested in Bryson just now.

 

As I said, some of those stats may be innacurate, so feel free to challenge them.

I will not argue with your stats. I was only highlighting difference between what Hearts were willing to offer for Bryson against what they wanted for Driver. A potential difference of 10 fold. IMO Driver is not worth 10 Brysons. If Driver is worth 3.5M then Bryson should be worth at least 1M, but it's a buyers market and as you rightly say the market in Scotland is poor in comparison with England.

Of course the major factor in all this is Hearts (even with its debt) has a stronger financial footing with VR/UBIG/UB behind them than Killie (or Rangers for that matter) who need to sell their prize assets to appease their bankers. Gone are the days of the Pieman when Driver would have been sold for a pittance.

But my point was that there are those posting on here saying that 450K is too high for Bryson (and it may well be so) and that Johnston is being unrealistic in respect to a player who is the club captain and with 3 years on his contract. It would depend on how badly JJ wants the player and if Hearts will wait out the transfer window. It's all a game of bluff which I believe VR will win.

[Jambof3tornado]

We missed a trick with Pinigol as well,and Bes the bullet costs us too!!!

 

I agree though that Vlad seems to do well when it comes to market vlaues,money is clearly something he is good at.

[cosanostra]

I think 450k is a decent price for Bryson.

 

Hopefully we can get him for what we want and get rid of a player or two at the same time. I'd maybe sacrifice Black or Ruben if they would be willing to go to Killie.

[winston churchill]

YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

 

We're talking about players Romanov got the maximum possible resale value from. I would confidently say we achieved that with Nade.

 

 

hartley.

 

 

nope you're wrong.

 

you tried being a smart arse when i said i hope we don't end up with egg on our face like we did with jose.

 

you came back with the once in a life time craig gordon deal.

 

i said nade.

 

 

i am going out to take the wee man for his golf lesson so i'll leave you with a few others to think about.

 

pinilla

kingston

 

and the likes of mole,elliot ect with 5 year deals.

[jamborich]

He will not make the Scotland team at Killie. Boyd was scoring for fun and could not do it... Naismith is another example. Many players have made the Scotland starting place their own while at Hearts.

 

Bryson could become worth as much as Driver if he switched to Hearts and got his International experience and some experience in Europe with a top six club.

Driver has had a bad season through injury but I see no reason to suspect he will do so again, he had his complaint seen to and went to another specialist to receive treatment that is hailed as being able to completely clear up his kind of niggle.... Do you know something the reset of us do not about his medical records?

 

So you agree ?350.000 is a steal.

 

Regarding his medical records i know as much as you however i will reserve judgement on his fitness till i see him play.