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I hope nobody in this thread believes in UFOs i.e. "alien spacecraft". :rolleyes:

 

Don't get me wrong, I strongly believe there has to be other life in the cosmos, but thinking another civilisation with the technology to travel light years between the stars would just come to Earth and drift about in our airspace? :facepalm:

 

They also routinely put big metal probes up the bums of hick town populaces in Alabama, to be fair.

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I hope nobody in this thread believes in UFOs i.e. "alien spacecraft". :rolleyes:

 

Don't get me wrong, I strongly believe there has to be other life in the cosmos, but thinking another civilisation with the technology to travel light years between the stars would just come to Earth and drift about in our airspace? :facepalm:

 

Of course there is and old saying "would you land here" biggrin.gif but seriously what about possible UNMANNED probes, merely on a surveillance collecting data mission with no intent of contact for various social ,political or religious problems that open contact would bring;I perceive after looking at a large number of literature on this subject that there is or has been in the past or even now an ongoing possible surveillance programme taking place.As you say why no contact , well there is a large number of cases where these objects have as you said drift in and out of various nations air space but there is another side that is very important here,they have and can "DRIFT" ,or enter and leave a nations restricted air space at will and sometimes they have been chased off or military jests scrambled to intercept them but to know avail.

 

If i was observing a planets inhabitants and had a policy of a no contact or surveillance agenda i would operate on the military level that is reconnaissance and surveillance that level would be surveillance by unmanned probes , deliberately showing up in air spaces and testing the level of a countries military air defence.We have to remember that any notions or reasons we have for any possible ET reasons for drifting about in any ones air space is based entirely on our human perceptions of what we would do.There could be a multitude of reasons for a NO contact scenario happening now or in the past.There is also the level of technology to be considered here, could it be that any ET advanced technology was in the forms of a cloaking non radar detecting technology operating in the worlds skies and stratosphere based on a purely surveillance with no contact policy for the reasons already given. So will its easy to surmise that why come here and just "drift" about and not contact us i do feel its not a case here with a simple generalisation of why no contact.

 

There have over the years been a large number of military sources coming forward with their own perceptions, experiences and "know how" due to various security clearances some of these military sources have been privy to a whole lot more that the punter on the inter net will ever have or know about.I would direct you to a couple of important books that do contain information from military sources that paint a very diffident picture of unknown objects entering and leaving restricted air spaces.The books called "Above Top Secret " by Tim Good and Leslie Keens ;Pilots ,Generals and Military Personnel Come Forward; I have included the article below because it contains a personal view point from a very credible source, a one famous professor called N ,Chandra Wickramasinghe, he had a space probe/craft name after him called the Chandra,in the text below he openly states a avoidance policy by most main stream scientific establishments on the ET theme,he gives a bit more than most of his back ground academics but still when you get people of his stature coming out with views of this nature then the time is for head turning and raised eye brows;All in all i feel that until we can fully understand why and "IF" there has been a possible policy of no direct contact then "drifting about" for purely surveillance purposes either undetected or sometimes seen is not so facepalm.png but makes a lot of sense when taking and viewed or even perceived in the surveillance context.ML.kirk.png

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Extraterrestrial Life Is A Censored Subject Says Famous Professor18 February, 2012

 

etlifecensored.jpgMessageToEagle.com - It is not often scientists are willing to openly discuss the possibility of extraterrestrial life.

 

According to a famous astronomy professor there is a reason why a majority of scientists avoid the subject - it is censored!

 

Even though the general public embraces ideas of extraterrestrial life, science is expected to shun this subject no matter how strong the evidence, albeit through a conspiracy of silence.

 

It is an unwritten doctrine of science that extraterrestrial life could not exist in our immediate vicinity, or, that if such life did exist, it could not have a connection with Earth.

 

etlifecensored2.jpgProfessor N. Chandra Wickramasinghe was born in Colombo, Sri Lanka, on January 20, 1939.

 

He studied astrophysics at Cambridge, where he was a student of Hoyle's.

 

He received his Ph.D. in 1963 and an Sc.D. in 1973, and served on the faculty at Cambridge. He is now a Professor of Applied Mathematics and Astronomy at the University College, Cardiff, Wales. He is an expert in the use of infrared astronomy to study interstellar matter.

 

 

 

 

LINK; http://www.messageto...ifecensored.php

 

 

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The Lubbock Lights or so they were termed was an account of a series of sightings involving unidentified lights that where observed by a few scientific academics and these lights where also picked up on radar too;What makes this case even more fascinating from was that it was investigated by senior USAF personal,namely a one Capitan ED Ruppelt who was the head of a military investigation into UFOs named "PROJECT BLUE BOOK" this was one of a couple of governmental military investigation's of UFOs.

 

 

Below is a part from Capitan ED Ruppelt own memoirs on this case ,he was privy to top secret documents ect on many UFO sightings/reports from military witnesses as well as the civilian ones.He was heavily involved in the investigation's of this case.ML.cool.gif

 

 

The Lubbock Lights, unabridged:

Author Edward J. Ruppelt, head of Project Blue Book, from his memoirs.

 

Ruppelt seen here with other members of PROJECT BLUE BOOK;

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"When four college professors, a geologist, a chemist, a physicist, and a petroleum engineer, report seeing the same UFO's on fourteen different occasions, the event can be classified as, at least, unusual. Add the facts that hundreds of other people saw these UFO's and that they were photographed, and the story gets even better. Add a few more facts - that these UFO's were picked up on radar and that a few people got a close look at one of them, and the story begins to convince even the most ardent skeptics."

LINK; http://ufologie.patr...lubbock5102.htm

One of the Lubbock lights enlarged picture, which leaked out to the archives of the NICAP private UFO investigation group, who had many members from the US Air Force.

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One of the photographs taken by Carl Hart that can be seen everywhere. It has been reverted.

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Well NASAs Hubble space telescope is at it again with a another discovered planet ,this time of a possible WATERY super earth and its only 40 light years away, not that far away in the grand scale of the distances involved with other planetary discoveries.ML;geek.gif

 

 

 

 

 

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Artists impression;

 

 

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GJ1214b, shown in this artist's view, is a super-Earth orbiting a red dwarf star 40 light-years from Earth. New observations from NASA's Hubble Space Telescope show that it is a waterworld enshrouded by a thick, steamy atmosphere. GJ1214b represents a new type of planet, like nothing seen in our solar system or any other planetary system currently known.



 

The planet was discovered by the ground-based MEarth Project in 2009.

 

Credit: NASA, ESA, and D. Aguilar (Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics)

 

Full release: http://www.spacetele.../news/heic1204/

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Dione one of Jupiter's moons is attracting real attention from NASA at the moment,this attention is due to recent discoveries by NASAs space craft CASSINI who is in a fly by orbit of this moon.Cassini has "sniffed" molecular oxygen ions around Dione for the first time and also it is showing the oxygen can come from or be produced from sources that does not involve life,we life as we now it at present.ML;cool.gif

 

 

 

Cassini Detects Hint of Fresh Air at Dione03.02.12

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NASA's Cassini spacecraft has "sniffed" molecular oxygen ions around Saturn's icy moon Dione for the first time, confirming the presence of a very tenuous atmosphere. The oxygen ions are quite sparse ? one for every 0.67 cubic inches of space (one for every 11 cubic centimeters of space) or about 2,550 per cubic foot (90,000 per cubic meter) ? show that Dione has an extremely thin neutral atmosphere.

 

At the Dione surface, this atmosphere would only be as dense as Earth's atmosphere 300 miles (480 kilometers) above the surface. The detection of this faint atmosphere, known as an exosphere, is described in a recent issue of the journal Geophysical Research Letters.

 

"We now know that Dione, in addition to Saturn's rings and the moon Rhea, is a source of oxygen molecules," said Robert Tokar, a Cassini team member based at Los Alamos National Laboratory, Los Alamos, N.M., and the lead author of the paper. "This shows that molecular oxygen is actually common in the Saturn system and reinforces that it can come from a process that doesn't involve life."

 

 

 

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Absolutely stunning views from the fly over of the earth by the ISS,(international space station),here you can see various nations city lights and even the northern lights in spectacular array, beautiful; ML;cool.gif Watch in full screen mode.

 

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls9yJTphLxg

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Came across this article in yesterdays Edinburgh News in the "ODD" sectionbiggrin.gif concerning the possibility of the British ministry of defence,(MOD), deliberately erasing all evidence,including 6 photos taken by witnesses of a very strange round metallic looking object in the skies of Northern Scotland ,Perth.The article then goes on to say in an interview with former MOD UFO investigator Nick Pope that he believes that any evidence in photograph form was shredded and all talk of it was suppressed;Nick goes on to say that he seen these photos and show a genuine unknown object, fighter jets where scrambled to check out this object proving that the object was detected on radar and that the MOD new of it;Nick does go on to deliberate that it could have been a secret black opp; military craft and that was possibly the reason for its suppression by the MOD.

 

Either way this proves that when required the British MOD will lie and cover up things of this nature it regards as either a threat to national security or evidence of a possible genuine off world intelligence/technology;If this object was not a secret military craft and its authenticity is verified by Nicks testimony that the pictures of this object where handed over to military specialists for investigation who then declared that the object in these photos was genuine ,(no signs of CGI/PHOTOSHOP ECT),and showed a physical object then it opens up the off world possibility, not saying that object was ET in origin but its on of two remaining possibilities after all other avenues of explanations where exhausted by the MOD; I have came across the original photo in question and it does show a very strange object with a military jet in the same location as this object, i will try and uncover this photo later,hopefully its buried in my favourites somewhere;ML;cool.gif

 

 

 

 

 

Proof shredded ? but the truth is out there, insists UFO investigatorbiggrin.gif

 

 

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Nick Pope, who investigated UFO sightings for the British MOD;

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THE government?s former senior UFO investigator has revealed how the most compelling evidence for extra-terrestrial life he had ever seen was shredded by the Ministry of Defence (MoD).

 

 

Nick Pope, who worked for the MoD for 21 years, said the photograph appeared to show a ?metallic? spacecraft, 25 metres in diameter, in the sky over the village of Calvine, near Pitlochry in Perthshire.

 

Military jets in the background may have been escorting or pursuing the UFO.

 

Mr Pope, who ran the government?s UFO project from 1991 to 1994, said the photograph was removed from his office before ?mysteriously? disappearing.

 

He said that when he challenged officials about its whereabouts, they claimed they had no record of it.whistling.gif

 

 

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RECONSTRUCTED IMAGE FROM ORIGINAL;

 

The Calvine incident occurred on 4 August 1990 when two men saw a large diamond-shaped object hovering for about ten minutes ? during which time military aircraft made a number of low-level passes ? before it shot upwards at great speed. One of the men took six colour photograps of the daytime incident.

 

In 2009, declassified state files revealed how the government briefed ministers and launched a top-level investigation into the incident.

 

 

?There was a photograph taken at Calvine, and this was easily the most compelling UFO photo I?ve ever seen in my life,? Mr Pope said.

 

?It went to the technical specialists at the Defence Intelligence Staff and elsewhere. Their results of the analysis were that this was the real thing ? it wasn?t a faked photo. Now the interesting postscript to this story is that I actually had a copy of this. It was one of the things blown up on my office wall when I was at the UFO project.

 

LINK; http://www.scotsman....gator-1-2168877

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Following on from my last post covering the unexplained object photographed hovering in a Scottish village a wee bit more digging has unearthed a bit more information in the formate of an article from the "Telegraphed" news paper who published a reconstructed photo of this object depicting a diamond shaped object with a fighter jet ,(believed to be a Harrier jet), from the released declassified investigation documents under the freedom of information act,(FOIA),A wee bit more down the rabbit hole and i discovered that the SIX original pictures of this object taken by the witnesses where handed over to the Daily Record news paper for publication in a story the Record where going to run on it;Now we enter the gray area of the world of the DA-NOTICE, a short summary of this effect official "media black out" is covered below;

 

 

That the Daily Record suddenly changed its mind and decided NOT to run the story and print the original witness photos does suggest a DA-NOTICE was issued to the Daily Record and they obeyed this request from the MOD,(MINISTRY OF DEFENCE) and did not run the story due to probable issues of national security.There where also requests sent to the USAF,(UNITED STATES AIR-FORCE) , asking them to verify if this object depicted in these pictures was a secret military prototype ,(possible secret technology named "AURA"), they denied it was, then again they would if it was to remain secret i suppose;To this day the "Daily Record"news paper have NOT replied to any requests for confirmation if they still or did hold any pictures in the form of negatives ect of the six original witness photos that where sent to then via the witnesses themselves;As can be seen or perceived the following happened;ML;

 

1;that the MOD broke all protocol of its investigation of this object is obvious;

 

2 The MOD treated it of the utmost seriousness.

 

3 That the MOD.possibly issued a DA=NOTICE to the Record news paper and possible all media outlets is a plausible scenario;

 

4;To date no official mundane explanation has been put forth for the origins of this object or the nanotechnology capabilities displayed by this object;

 

5;The Daily Record news paper has ignored all requests for confirmatory admittance of having or ever having the original photos of this object via the witness who took them.

 

6;If this is the level of investigation's carried out on cases like this that contain very high levels of strangeness then what other cases have been kept secret or out of public viewing, one now has to beg the question of how may seriously genuine unknown objects that have or are entering restricted air space are there, that the British MOD have on occasion said that UFOs pose no direct serious threat to national security is a very bizarre comment considering unknown objects have entered and left restricted air space at will.ML;CONSPIRACY.pngknowyourrole.gif

 

 

 

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Summary of DA/D-NOTICE;

 

A DA-Notice or Defence Advisory Notice (called a Defence Notice or D-Notice until 1993) is an official request to news editors not to publish or broadcast items on specified subjects for reasons of national security. The system is still in use in the United Kingdom.

In 1971, all existing D-Notices were cancelled and replaced by standing D-Notices that gave general guidance on what could be published and what could not, and what would require further advice from the secretary of the Defence, Press and Broadcasting Advisory Committee (DPBAC).

 

One famous 1971 notice is related to the Baker Street robbery; it is believed that main purpose of this request was to protect a prominent member of the British Royal Family, because some of the security boxes contained embarrassing material.[2]

 

In 1993, the notices were renamed DA-Notices.

 

As of 2008, there are five standing DA-Notices:[3]

 

  • DA-Notice 01: Military Operations, Plans & Capabilities
  • DA-Notice 02: Nuclear and Non-Nuclear Weapons and Equipment
  • DA-Notice 03: Ciphers and Secure Communications
  • DA-Notice 04: Sensitive Installations and Home Addresses
  • DA-Notice 05: United Kingdom Security & Intelligence Special Services

On 8 April 2009, the Committee issued a DA-Notice in relation to sensitive anti-terror documents photographed when Assistant-Commissioner Bob Quickarrived at Downing Street for talks about current intelligence.[4]

 

On 25 November 2010, the Committee issued a DA-Notice (types 1 and 5) in relation to sensitive documents expected to be imminently released on the websiteWikiLeaks.[5][6][7]

 

 

LINK; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DA-Notice

 

 

I will now provided some snippets from the Telegraph news paper who covered this story below;ML;

 

 

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Above is the picture from the MOD files showing the diamond shaped object and jet;

snippet from Telegraph news paper below;

Declassified government files have revealed how Ministry of Defence (MoD) officials launched a top-level probe into a diamond shaped aircraft seen hovering above a Scottish village.

 

Officials were so alarmed by the object, which was captured on camera, that they broke with established procedures and referred the sighting to ministers.

 

They also overrode rules prohibiting investigations into UFO sightings not considered an immediate threat to national security, and spent more than a year trying to crack the still unexplained mystery.

 

According to the files, the Ministry of Defence first became aware of the existence of the craft when the Daily Record newspaper presented it with six colour photographs of the object. The UFO seen by two men, one of whom captured it on camera, as it hovered in daylight near the A9, at Calvine, north of Pitlochry, on August 4, 1990.

 

The witnesses said it hovered for about 10 minutes ? during which time military aircraft were also seen making a series of low-level passes ? before moving upwards, out of sight, at great speed.

 

The files show that officials established from the photographs that the military craft were Harrier jets even though, intriguingly, none were operational in the area at the time.

 

An MoD minute prepared for the then Armed Forces Minister, Sir Archie Hamilton, and dated September 14, 1990 states: "Under Secretary of State (Armed Forces) may wish to be aware that the Scottish Daily Record may run a story regarding an alleged sighting of a UFO near Pitlochrie in early August. Such stories are not normally drawn to the attention of Ministers and the MoD press office invariably responds to questions along well-established lines emphasising our limited interest in the UFO phenomenon and explaining that we therefore do not have the resources to undertake any in-depth investigations into particular sightings.

 

"They [the photographs] show a large stationary, diamond-shaped object past which, it appears, a small jet aircraft is flying. The negatives have been considered by the relevant staff who have established that the jet aircraft is a Harrier (and also identified a barely visible second aircraft, again probably a Harrier) but have reached no definite conclusion regarding the large object."

 

The MoD even prepared a defensive media strategy in the event that journalists should bombard its press office with questions about the craft.

 

Journalists who quizzed the department were to be told that "no definite conclusions have been reached regarding the large diamond shaped object".

 

However, the Daily Record did not run the pictures.

 

Dr David Clarke, a university journalism lecturer and UFO expert, said: "This is the most tantalising of all the UFO reports. This shows how the MoD was worried about what the hell they were going to say. They had no idea what it was. They couldn't even identify where the Harriers had come from. It is a real mystery. It is one that can't be explained. They took it very, very seriously."

 

The files show that a year after the original photographs were taken, the MoD tasked experts to produce line drawings of the UFO which would give officials an idea of scale.

 

Even the creation of the drawings was shrouded in strict secrecy. One undated document suggests "very special handling" because of "sensitivity of the material". It also orders "minimum handling by listed personnel".

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Secret USA military craft,(AURA),or genuine unknown possible off world craft;(THIS OBJECT HOVERED FOR 1O MINS, ACCORDING TO THE WITNESSES, BEFORE SHOOTING OFF A GREAT ACCELERATION.)

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5028058/Revealed-How-the-government-probed-Britains-greatest-UFO-mystery.html

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As is with the British Police UFO witness data base.(that i have included in this thread at some point,including summary's and direct link to said data base), that was formed by police detective Gary Hesiltine who collects UFO reports directly from on duty/off duty police officers and ex police officers we also have an Australian version.This is based similarly on the British counter part and is also run by a Australian police officer,he has amassed a impressive data base of police officer UFO sightings and reports ,i have also included a wee section on "are police officers more reliable or more credible witnesses to UFO sightings than civilians"?There is also a piece on the same topic of are police more credible witnesses by the late USAF UFO investigator Dr Hynek, he gives his personal views based on his scientific investigation's he carried out for the US air force in their project "blue book" investigation's of the UFO situation in the 50/60s;

 

 

As is with the case for a large percentage of UFO reports the credibility, social stature and position of the witness is more than often crucial for the believability of what is actually being reported, more often than not if what is being reported and after investigation if the report of the witness holds up and cannot be debunked so easily then a character assassination of the witness often follows to discredit the sighting, harder for such character attacks when sources such as actual police officers , scientific academics ect are the witnesses;Of course even such credible sources can be wrong at times too but put into perspective and a mentality of a "credit where credit is due" perspective these kind of witnesses are "provocative" to say the least when it comes down to believability and credibility of witnesses to UFO sightings and their subsequent witnesses testimonies. ML; MOJO.png

 

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Summery below of Australian police UFO DATA BASE; policeman.gif

 

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Welcome to PoliceUFO.com, the UFO information centre for Police Officers and UFO researchers. Although the focus is on Australian officers, all Police officers are welcome. PoliceUFO.com aims to collate information about UFOs from officer witnesses and investigators, their testimony comparable in weight to astronauts, pilots, and scientists. Currently many hundreds of police officers from around the world are on public record, yet countless more have yet to come forward. The disclosure of Police UFO information forms part of a growing global movement to disclose not only the reality of UFOs, but to pressure those-in-the-know to come clean with the vast amount of information that is believed to have been kept from the public.<br style="font-family: Verdana; background-color: rgb(220, 228, 237); font-size: small; ">- Richard A. Jones, Director PoliceUFO.com.

 

LINK; http://policeufo.com/index.html

 

 

It cannot be stressed enough that police rank as amongst the highest of credible and reliable witnesses in the UFO field, in literature being compared to astronauts, pilots, and engineer-scientists. Dr J Allen Hynek, in his 1975 FBI briefing, goes so far as to suggest his belief that police are the best witnesses, when he states:

 

?Experience definitely shows that the best reports, those with the greatest information content, come from technically trained, professional people, especially law enforcement personnel.?

 

Hynek is a scientist with astronomical credentials and reputation. After working with the government and military studying and publicly debunking UFOs for so many years, he recants all his official work for an honest pursute - honest research into UFOs. This is his breakthrough contribution to the field, and a complete 180 on his offical position, the book that made the scientific community stand up and take notice of UFOs.Hynek's influential work propounds the notion that UFOs deserve proper scientific enquiry. He documents his landmark Close Encounter (CE) classification system (inspiring the title of Spielberg's "Close Encounters of the Third Kind"), and lays the foundation for scientific UFO investigation the world over for decades to come. He investigates and documents some of the most amazing cases of the time, some of which he'd publicly debunked under Project Blue Book, his official government research. He discusses the importance of witness credibility, and compares police officers to astronauts, pilots, scientists and engineers.

 

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LINK SOURCE FOR ABOVE QUOTES AND POLICE UFO DATA BASE;

http://policeufo.com/ArticlePoliceWitness.html

See Also ...

Are Military and Police Witnesses Any More Reliable Than Civilians?

 

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As is with the British Police UFO witness data base.(that i have included in this thread at some point,including summary's and direct link to said data base), that was formed by police detective Gary Hesiltine who collects UFO reports directly from on duty/off duty police officers and ex police officers we also have an Australian version.This is based similarly on the British counter part and is also run by a Australian police officer,he has amassed a impressive data base of police officer UFO sightings and reports ,i have also included a wee section on "are police officers more reliable or more credible witnesses to UFO sightings than civilians"?There is also a piece on the same topic of are police more credible witnesses by the late USAF UFO investigator Dr Hynek, he gives his personal views based on his scientific investigation's he carried out for the US air force in their project "blue book" investigation's of the UFO situation in the 50/60s;

 

 

As is with the case for a large percentage of UFO reports the credibility, social stature and position of the witness is more than often crucial for the believability of what is actually being reported, more often than not if what is being reported and after investigation if the report of the witness holds up and cannot be debunked so easily then a character assassination of the witness often follows to discredit the sighting, harder for such character attacks when sources such as actual police officers , scientific academics ect are the witnesses;Of course even such credible sources can be wrong at times too but put into perspective and a mentality of a "credit where credit is due" perspective these kind of witnesses are "provocative" to say the least when it comes down to believability and credibility of witnesses to UFO sightings and their subsequent witnesses testimonies. ML; MOJO.png

 

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Summery below of Australian police UFO DATA BASE; policeman.gif

 

PoliceUFOLogo.gif

 

 

 

Welcome to PoliceUFO.com, the UFO information centre for Police Officers and UFO researchers. Although the focus is on Australian officers, all Police officers are welcome. PoliceUFO.com aims to collate information about UFOs from officer witnesses and investigators, their testimony comparable in weight to astronauts, pilots, and scientists. Currently many hundreds of police officers from around the world are on public record, yet countless more have yet to come forward. The disclosure of Police UFO information forms part of a growing global movement to disclose not only the reality of UFOs, but to pressure those-in-the-know to come clean with the vast amount of information that is believed to have been kept from the public.<br style="font-family: Verdana; background-color: rgb(220, 228, 237); font-size: small; ">- Richard A. Jones, Director PoliceUFO.com.

 

LINK; http://policeufo.com/index.html

 

 

It cannot be stressed enough that police rank as amongst the highest of credible and reliable witnesses in the UFO field, in literature being compared to astronauts, pilots, and engineer-scientists. Dr J Allen Hynek, in his 1975 FBI briefing, goes so far as to suggest his belief that police are the best witnesses, when he states:

 

?Experience definitely shows that the best reports, those with the greatest information content, come from technically trained, professional people, especially law enforcement personnel.?

 

Hynek is a scientist with astronomical credentials and reputation. After working with the government and military studying and publicly debunking UFOs for so many years, he recants all his official work for an honest pursute - honest research into UFOs. This is his breakthrough contribution to the field, and a complete 180 on his offical position, the book that made the scientific community stand up and take notice of UFOs.Hynek's influential work propounds the notion that UFOs deserve proper scientific enquiry. He documents his landmark Close Encounter (CE) classification system (inspiring the title of Spielberg's "Close Encounters of the Third Kind"), and lays the foundation for scientific UFO investigation the world over for decades to come. He investigates and documents some of the most amazing cases of the time, some of which he'd publicly debunked under Project Blue Book, his official government research. He discusses the importance of witness credibility, and compares police officers to astronauts, pilots, scientists and engineers.

 

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LINK SOURCE FOR ABOVE QUOTES AND POLICE UFO DATA BASE;

http://policeufo.com...iceWitness.html

See Also ...

Are Military and Police Witnesses Any More Reliable Than Civilians?

 

 

Yes, but as you know when a police officer reports an UFO sighting, there is a general feeling particularly from the popular media that poor old PC Plod has been out all night on the beat, maybe halucinating, so no-one in the general public takes much notice.

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Yes, but as you know when a police officer reports an UFO sighting, there is a general feeling particularly from the popular media that poor old PC Plod has been out all night on the beat, maybe halucinating, so no-one in the general public takes much notice.

 

 

 

 

Well if that was the case poor old pc plod as you put it would not be fit to police the streets as you well know and the general public would take notice if our policemen and women where hallucinating while out patrolling their rounds;facepalm.pngSeems you have no idea of the of the level of reports that have been received from non hallucinating policemen and women that are nothing like hallucinating;Nice try but if you can supply evidence of mass hallucinations contained in any police UFO report then post it, i take you have studied the reports from the links i have provided or are you just surmising from a general lack of any coherent real understanding of what you are taking about,

 

These reports from the police are voluntarily and are made to a special data base solely for them and NOT to the media because of the general lack of respect and seriousness that is lacking from the media ,your post is a prime example of why members of the police force and people in general who do experience what they believe to be high levels of strangeness regarding a UFO sighting they cannot explain avoid coming forward with their experiences.If our police force are hallucinating why then has their been independent witness accounts in some UFO sightings from other police officers confirming another's sighting and why on several occasions has their been police helicopters arrive on the scene to verify the original police officer sighting.whistling.gifYes, mass hallucinations the old chest nut of those who have really no real knowledge of what they are surmising about; romanovpalm.pngPick a police UFO sighting from the data base i have provided and prove they where hallucination.kirk.png

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Thought it would only be right if i posted some more information on the subject of police officer UFO sightings, this time its from Britain and involves acting police detective Gary Heseltine who has since 2002 amassed over 900 reports from serving and non serving police officers, these reports are divided into two categories ;1; On duty police officer reports; 2;Off duty police officer reports;

There have also been reports sent to Gary's data base from retired police officers who would have remained silent if it was not for Gary's web site;ML



 

 

A deeper look at Gary's data base of his reports he has amassed over the years and one begins to perceive that there is a reasonable percentage of more than one police officer at any given sighting , that there is back up of more than one policemen/woman that have been witness to the same observations is very important here;Gary has in my view helped create a welcoming, non ridiculing data base for serving on duty and off duty policemen and woman to come forward with their personal sightings and long my it continue.ML;

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Here is a quote from Gary that i find represents a valid observational confirmation of the reality of objects seen or reported that have shown high levels of strangeness and deserve more investigation from the scientific community;ML;

 

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"There are some definite flight type characteristics that are seen now that I would say represent genuine UFOs...ie: instant acceleration; instant stop; vertical acceleration -up into the air and down to the ground; reverses in direction; right angle turns -all in silence -multiple objects sometimes separating and then going back into each They are classic,what I would call,genuine UFO characteristics -things that we can not do in a conventional sense".British Detective Constable Gary Heseltine - Police UFO reporting organisation,PRUFOS

 

LINK FOR ABOVE QUOTES AND GARY'S POLICE UFO DATA BASE;

http://www.prufospol...o.uk/index.html

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Staying on the topicermm.gif of police officer UFO sightings reports here is a very interesting CIA intelligence document showing a report from a police officer who witnessed a UFO in the USSR in 1991;That this was viewed as worthy of filling by the US intelligence service , namely the CIA ,it is just one of many reports that have been looked on as worthy of investigation and kept on file by the intelligence services.ML;cool.gif

 

 

 

 

 

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Here is another police officer UFO sighting that again was thought of as a worthy of investigation and filling by the intelligence community at that time.This again involved a police officer.

 

 

REFERENCES: Title: UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT, SOCORRO, N.M. To: DIRECTOR, FBI (J. Edgar Hoover) Author: SAC (Special Agent In Charge), ALBUQUERQUE 62-NEW Date: April 24, 1964 Length: 2 pages Classification: None noted, but marked URGENT

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FBI Document from Police Officer Zamora's sighting in 1964:

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http://www.ufologie.net/indexe.htm

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Well if that was the case poor old pc plod as you put it would not be fit to police the streets as you well know and the general public would take notice if our policemen and women where hallucinating while out patrolling their rounds;facepalm.pngSeems you have no idea of the of the level of reports that have been received from non hallucinating policemen and women that are nothing like hallucinating;Nice try but if you can supply evidence of mass hallucinations contained in any police UFO report then post it, i take you have studied the reports from the links i have provided or are you just surmising from a general lack of any coherent real understanding of what you are taking about,

 

These reports from the police are voluntarily and are made to a special data base solely for them and NOT to the media because of the general lack of respect and seriousness that is lacking from the media ,your post is a prime example of why members of the police force and people in general who do experience what they believe to be high levels of strangeness regarding a UFO sighting they cannot explain avoid coming forward with their experiences.If our police force are hallucinating why then has their been independent witness accounts in some UFO sightings from other police officers confirming another's sighting and why on several occasions has their been police helicopters arrive on the scene to verify the original police officer sighting.whistling.gifYes, mass hallucinations the old chest nut of those who have really no real knowledge of what they are surmising about; romanovpalm.pngPick a police UFO sighting from the data base i have provided and prove they where hallucination.kirk.png

 

Prepared to post thousands of words claiming that aliens are visiting earth but cannot accept the possibility of a policeman hallucinating...

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Here is a couple of videos of Gary Hesietine serving British police detective being interviewed.

 

 

 

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Summarry of above video;

 

We in Exopolitics Denmark, had the pleasure of having Gary Heseltine on a visit to Denmark in November 2011. He gave presentations in Odense and Copenhagen about his UFO research and his database PRUFOS (Police Reporting UFO Sightings). This is a large collection of English police officer's UFO sightings from 1901-2011. He runs the database as a hobby alongside his work as a police officer in England.

 

The database contains to this date 425 cases from the period 1901-2011, involving 903 British police officers on duty, off duty, and retired. They have all witnessed unexplainable and mysterious events related to the UFO phenomenon and given their testimonies.

At the presentation in Odense, which you can see here, he started out by talking about his background and recounted his first experience at the age of 15. Here he and his girlfriend observed a light in the sky - an unidentified flying object, which possibly took out the power in several residential buildings. The houses were blacked out when the UFO passed over them. He then goes through the background of PRUFOS, why and how this project was realized. In the main part of his presentation he describes many UFO cases from the PRUFOS database.

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Prepared to post thousands of words claiming that aliens are visiting earth but cannot accept the possibility of a policeman hallucinating...

 

 

I think in one fell swoop youve managed to debunk everything maroonlegions believes in :P , good work agent hughsie .

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Prepared to post thousands of words claiming that aliens are visiting earth but cannot accept the possibility of a policeman hallucinating...

 

Prepared to offer no real substantial input, taking words out of context , like "aliens are visiting earth" , which again i ask you to show where i said that in any of my posts relating to the police officers UFO sighting posts i made.If indeed any of the police officers where as you say, "hallucinating" , then surely it would have been a case of them seeking profession help, but to date i have not came across any cases that show or where thought to have involved police officers hallucinating ; Surely you would have to admit that you would have known that if you had bothered to actually look at these cases instead of concentrating on trying to light yet another torch paper of derailment on the actual topic of my previous posts on police witnesses and confessions.By the way these police officers have shown a lot of character and guts coming with their statements, some risking ridicule and character attacks and even the threat of losing their jobs by the type of mind set and thinking you have revealed in your "hallucinating" and aliens are visiting earth comment;If even some police officers where hallucinating and i have yet to find any real evidence of, and so it is with Gary too, it does not dismiss the fact that the rest have not and cannot be dismissed as hallucination;

 

Surely such a weak argument of "hallucinating" backed up by a out of context remark of "aliens visiting earth" should have registered if one had looked deeper at the cases on record from Garys data base, this was not the case with you was it, rather than look for your self or maybe find a wee bit time to really look at the shear number of police officers reporting and feeling the need to come out and forward and to SHARE their sightings ect with Gary you chose the easy route, one that was of a predictable and unresearched comment that really offers nothing in the way of acknowledging the fact that you do not know enough of these cases just now to offer a justifiable and fair judgement that you are basing on the "hallucinating aliens are visiting the earth" comment;

 

 

Have you came across any of the cases where it was either claimed or suggested that any where hallucinating, if so then feel free to post it,or is it just a case of a much more easy and lazy approach to throw in a cheap unresearched comment about hallucinating without actually doing any research of the actual cases i have provided in the appropriate links provided.Of course they where hallucinating, have to be right, as everyone knows for sure, that is 100% cast iron assurance that hallucinating is much more of a probable cause than unknown objects showing signs of intelligent control even when intelligent control,movement, acceleration, silence ect is what is being reported .The British MOD felt it necessary to not only file some of these reports but in some cases investigate them, like check radar reports and check records of any military aircraft that might have been in the area of reported sighting by Police officers , now would the British MOD go to all this trouble from police officers who they even suspected where actually HALLUCINATING, are we to believe that situation with the British MOD, if so then the defence of our air space is in the hands of a questionable professional military intelligence is it not.woot.gif

 

I take it you would not actually want to e-mail Gary Hesiltine ,( he is available for inquires),and ask him if he thought that any of the police officers he interviewed where merely reporting hallucinations, after all Gary is a acting police detective who from experience in investigating murders ect probably has a much better perception and understanding of when one is lying,taking the piss ect than your AVERAGE internet punter ,(who when one considers the level of actual research or LACK of), does;Do your own digging and look at the shear number of reported cases from Police officers and then considered those that do not come forward, why do they not come forward because of people claiming hallucinating or aliens visiting earth in a condescending manner when in reality they now feck all about what they are implying;These objects could be secret military technology hence the British MOD involvement in keeping a tight lid on any real evidence filtering out into the public domain, see the FOIA DECLASSIFIED UFO FILES;ML;cool.gif

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Here are a few more cases of Police officers witnessing unknown or strange objects/lights in the sky.(CLICK LINK TO VIEW THESE CASES),These cases all contain more than ONE police officer witnessing the SAME object, so we can safely rule out hallucination as a valid and justifiable explanation for what they witnessed and that caused them the need to openly report what they saw.There is one case where it was reported to the British MOD who kept it on file as a matter of real interest;The British MOD generally do regard UFO reports made to them via the police and military as a credible and serious report.If one has the time some cases can be linked to the MOD"s declassified UFO documents that have been released under the FOIA ,(FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT),and shows that the police big wigs took these reports seriously and would report them to the British MOD;ML;RIFFITHS and PC MICHAEL POWELL observed a very large UFO in the night sky. PS GRIFFITHS said, ?There were red and green lights all around its circumference which were either flashing on and off or the whole thing was spinning.? He went on to say that he had never seen anything like it before and that there was no noise at all. Further enquiries later revealed that at 2100 hours that same evening two other uniformed officers, INSPECTOR ROGER CLARKE and PS STEVE GODWIN, had seen the same object in the vicinity of Walsall. Willenhall Police confirmed that a report was sent to the Ministry of Defence about the officers sightings.

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The Coyne UFO incident involved a mixture of experienced and credible military witnesses one night in Ohio USA, this case still remains unsolved and contains very high levels of high strangeness.This case was investigated by the US military and their conclusions where that these witnesses where of sound mind and not making it up or hallucinating;Below are some snippets and original documents from this case, links are provided for those who are interested enough to go down this particular rabbit hole of high strangeness;ML;woot.gif

 

 

Summery of incident,(snippet);

"The Coyne case (or "Army helicopter incident") stands out as, perhaps the most credible (in the "high strangeness" category) of the 1973 wave. An Army Reserve helicopter crew of four men encountered a gray, metallic-looking, cigar-shaped object, with unusual lights and maneuvers, as they were airborne between Columbus and Cleveland, Ohio. The crew won the NATIONAL ENQUIRER Blue Ribbon Panel's $ 5,000 award for "the most scientifically valuable report of 1973."

 

On October 18, 1973, at approximately 10:30 PM a UH-1H helicopter of the United States Army Reserve left Port Columbus, Ohio, for its home base of Cleveland Hopkins airport, ninety-six nautical miles to the north-northeast. In command, in the right-front seat, was Captain Lawrence J. Coyne, thirty-six, with nineteen years of flying experience. At the controls, in the left-front seat, sat First Lieutenant Arrigo Jezzi, twenty-six, a chemical engineer. Behind Jezzi sat Sergeant John Healey, thirty-five, a Cleveland policeman who was the flight medic, and Coyne was the Crew Chief, Sergeant Robert Yanacsek, twenty-three, a computer technician. The helicopter was cruising at 2,500 feet above sea level at an indicated airspeed of ninety knots, above mixed hills, woods, and rolling farmland, averaging 1,200 elevation. The night was totally clear, calm, and starry. The last quarter moon was just rising.

 

About ten miles south of Mansfield, Healey noticed a single red light off to the west, flying south. It seemed brighter than a standard aircraft port-wing light, but it was not considered relevant traffic, and he does not recall mentioning it. An estimated two minutes later, at approximately 11:02 PM, Yanacsek noted a single red light on the south-east horizon. He assumed it was either a radio-tower beacon or an aircraft port-wing light - most likely an aircraft, since it was not flashing - and he watched it "for a long time, a minute to ninety seconds" before calling it to Coyne's attention. Coyne, smoking, relaxing, glanced over, noted the light, assumed it was distant traffic, and told told Yanacsek casually to "keep an eye on it." "

 

 

 

 

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Above is the flight path of this object.As can be seen a second mixture of witnesses where involved in a car directly above the helicopter and object ML;

 

Below is a short summary of the investigation;ML;

 

 

Investigator Jennie Zeidman conducted a time-line analysis, second-by second, showing that the object was continuously in view of the helicopter crew for at least five minutes. This duration and the witness descriptions both from the helicopter and the ground rules out the object being a meteor.

 

 

Below is the copy of the official investigation document on this case;ML;

 

DISPOSITION FORM AR 340-15: the proponent agency is The Adjutant General's Office. Near Midair Collision with UFO Report background-color: rgb(48, 48, 48); ">To: Commander Flight Operations Office DATE 23 Nov 73 Cmt 1 83D USARCOM USAR Flight Facility ATTN: AHRCCG Cleveland Hopkins Airport Columbus Support Facility Cleveland, Ohio 44135

1. On 18 October 1973 at 2305 hours in the vicinity of Mansfield, Ohio, Army Helicopter 68-15444 assigned to Cleveland USAR/FFAC encountered a near midair collision with a unidentified flying object. Four crewmembers assigned to the Cleveland USARFFAC for flying proficiency were on AFTP

status when this incident occurred. The flight crew assigned was CPT Lawrence J. Coyne, Pilot in Command,1LT Arrigo Jozzi, Copilot, SSG Robert Yanacsek, Crew Chief, SSG John Healey,Flight Medio All the above personnel are member of the 316th MED DET(HEL AMB). a tenant reserve unit of the Cleveland USAR/FFAC. 2. The reported incident happened as follows: Army Helicopter 68-15444 was returning from Columbus, Ohio to Cleveland, Ohio and at 2305 hours east, south east of Mansfield Airport in the vicinity of Mansfield, Ohio while flying at an altitude of 2500 feet and on a heading of 030 degrees, SSG

 

Yanacsek observed a red light on the east horizon,90 drgrees to the flight path of the helicopter. Approximately 30 seconds later, SSG Yanacsek indicated the object was converging on the helicopter at the same altitude at a airspeed in excess of 600 knots and on a midair collision heading.

Cpt Coyne observed the converging object, took over the controls of the aircraft and initiated a power descent from 2500 feet to 1700 feet to avoid impact with the object. A radio call was initiated to Mansfield Tower who acknowledged the helicopter and was asked by CPT Coyne if there were any high performance aircraft flying in the vicinity of Mansfield Airport however there was no response received from the tower. The crew expected impact from the object instead, the object was observed to hesistate momontarily over the helicopter and then slowly continued on a westerly course accelerating at a high rate of speed, clear west of Mansfield Airport then turn 45 degree heading to the Northwest. Cpt Coyne indicated the altimeter read a 1000 fpm olimp and read 3500 feet with the collective in the full down position. The aircraft was returned to 2500 feet by CPT Coyne and flown back to Cleveland, Ohio. The flight plan was closed and the FAA Flight Service Station notified of the incident. The FSS told CPT Coyne to report the incident to the FAA GADO office a Cleveland Hopkins Airport Mr. Porter, 83d USARCOM was notified of the incident at 1530 hours on 19 Oct 73. ; 3. This report has been read and attested to by the crewmembers of the aircraft with signatures acknowledgeing this report.

 

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links for above snippets,(quotes and pictures).

 

http://www.nicap.org/coyne.htm

 

http://www.fufor.com/case731018.html

 

http://www.nicap.dab...co.uk/coyne.htm

 

http://www.cufon.org...on/foia_007.htm

 

 

 

 

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References:

 

Cincinnati Enquirer, October 22, 1973.

 

The Mansfield News Journal, November 4, 1973.

 

Jennie Zeidman, "Helicopter-UFO Encounter Over Ohio", Center for UFO Studies, Chicago, 1979.

 

Army Disposition Form incident report on case reproduced in Larry Fawcett and Barry Greenwood, Clear Intent, Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey, Prentice-Hall, p. 239, 1984.

 

MUFON 1989 International UFO Symposium Proceedings, Seguin, Texas, pp. 13-30.

 

UFO-Helicopter Close Encounter Over Ohio, Flying Saucer Review 22 (4), pp. 15-19.

 

International UFO Reporter, pp. 13-14, November-December 1988.

 

International UFO Reporter, pp. 17-18, March-April 1989.

 

News Journal, october 18, 2003.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Yes, probably responsible for many UFO sightings , secret military black opps; technology and a justifiable one at that but i do feel that some of the acceleration ,stop turns ect displayed by some UFOs whom still be to great for human pilots to take, that is if they are piloted in the first place that is;

 

In my next post i will deal with what is termed in UFO investigation circles as "close range sightings", those cases that contain closer proximity of objects that have been witnessed, for i feel that those cases are the ones that could determine if we are dealing with secret governmental back opps technology or something else;Cheers for the input of your picture;ML; ninja.gif

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First of i will include a statement from the late Dr James E. MacDonald , the atmospheric , meteorologist physicist who had studied the findings and conclusions of the USAF UFO investigation committees projects under the names of project "BLUE BOOK,project "GRUDGE" and project "PAPER CLIP";i will also include some "UFO Object Descriptions" ie; the Government Documents.Close range sightings are the ones that remain highly sensitive to the military intelligences and are treated with much more seriousness that the reports of distant lights in the sky;Close proximity sightings have that special level of strangeness that remains an enigma in its own right ;ML;

 

 

 

 

"The type of UFO reports that are most intriguing are close-range sightings of machine-like objects of unconventional nature and unconventional performance characteristics, seen at low altitudes, and sometimes even on the ground. The general public is entirely unaware of the large number of such reports that are coming from credible witnesses... When one starts searching for such cases, their number are quite astonishing. Also, such sightings appear to be occurring all over the globe."

Professor James E. McDonald from the Institute of Atmospheric Physics at the University of Arizona speaking at the AIAA (American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics) in 1968

Fascinating interview with Flight Lieutennant Michael Swiney and Royal Navy Lieutennant David Crofts who both witnessed three disc shaped objects pass over the cockpit of their plane whilst flying over England in October 1952 - the three objects were also confirmed by ground radar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy4siphqKLY

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Some governmental close range sighting documents;

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NASAs space craft Cassini has been sending back some very interesting data from one of Saturn's 66 known moons called Enceladus. We are entering i believe a new age of revelation s concerning ET life be that in bacterial or intelligent forms.Its just a matter of time of when ,how, where and if the discovery of ET life is announced.As usual i have provided snippets and links to those snippets.ML.geek.gif

 

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Say Hello to an Extraterrestrial Ocean ? and Maybe Extraterrestrial Life.

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"It's hard enough for kids to remember all the known oceans and seas ? Atlantic, Pacific, Indian, Norwegian, Barents ? and now they can add one more to the list: the Enceladan Ocean. The name is lovely, and the place is nifty, but there's not much chance of visiting it soon. It's located on Enceladus, one of Saturn's 66 known moons. While Enceladus has been familiar to us since it was first spotted in 1789, the discovery of its ocean, courtesy of the venerable Cassini spacecraft, is a whole new and possibly game-changing thing.



 





 

(MORE: Secrets of the Rings)

 

Enceladus has always been thought of as one of the more remarkable members of Saturn's marble bag of satellites. For one thing, it's dazzlingly bright. The percentage of sunlight that a body in the solar system reflects back is known as its albedo, and it's determined mostly by the color of the body's ground cover. For all the silvery brilliance of a full moon on a cloudless night, the albedo of our own drab satellite is a muddy 12%, owing mostly to the gray dust that covers it. The albedo of Enceladus, on the other hand, approaches a mirror-like 100%."

 



 

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Here is a free e- book by the head of the USAF investigation's into UFOs, a one General Edward J Ruppelt who was also head of the official governmental projects named project "blue book,project "grudge" and project "paper clip".This book is a must for the simple reason that what he includes here is direct cases he investigated and the conclusions he and his scientific academics reached.ML.geek.gif

 

 

 

 

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SUMMARY OF BOOK;

 

The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects;by Edward J. Ruppelt;; This is Edward J. Ruppelt's memoir of his role in the seminal US Air Force UFO study projects: Projects Sign, Grudge and Blue Book.

According to this account, he coined the acronym 'UFO' and put many of the official procedures for reporting and studying UFOs in place. An enjoyable read, this book captures the feel of working for the mid-20th century US military. He describes the changing attitudes of the USAF about UFOs during the early 1950s: wobbling between denial, ridicule, paranoia, and genuine inquiry".A key point of this book is to resolve doubts about the military's role. Ruppelt makes a strong case that UFOs weren't a top secret weapons system; the reports were not disinformation by intelligence agencies; nor was there a concerted effort to cover up UFOs by the US government.

Ruppelt does recount many times when the brass tried to dismiss reports without investigating them sufficiently. However, this comes across as simply standard-issue military 'cover-your-ass' behavior, not a vast conspiracy.He gives unique details on some of the most impressive sightings on his watch. These were largely witnessed by highly trained observers such as radar operators, fighter and commercial pilots, astronomers, and other scientists, often during the course of their official duties.

The Air Force group that Ruppelt worked for had access to data on top secret balloon launches and test flights, so they were able to sort out which reports could be explained in this way. He consulted with a wide range of scientific specialists, many of whom were in favor of the extraterrestrial hypothesis, and some who were skeptics.

Fully a quarter of the reports were still unexplained after this rigorous filtering. Ruppelt is decidedly agnostic, but open-minded, about the reality behind the 'unexplained' sightings. Unlike Keyhoe, he does not claim that UFOs are interplanetary spacecraft, only that this is one of the possible explanations. --J.B. Hare, ************************************************* ********

Below is the "forward" section of this book again giving a primary summary of its content and meaning;Remember this man was privy to very sensitive UFO reports from official sources and also the possible origins and conclusions on what some of these objects where originating from;************************************************** ********

This is a book about unidentified flying objects?UFO's?"flying saucers." It is actually more than a book; it is a report because it is the first time that anyone, either military or civilian, has brought together in one document all the facts about this fascinating subject. With the exception of the style, this report is written exactly the way I would have written it had I been officially asked to do so while I was chief of the Air Force's project for investigating UFO reports?Project Blue Book.ninja.gif

In many instances I have left out the names of the people who reported seeing UFO's, or the names of certain people who were associated with the project, just as I would have done in an official report. For the same reason I have changed the locale in which some of the UFO sightings occurred. This is especially true in chapter fifteen, the story of how some of our atomic scientists detected radiation whenever UFO's were reported near their "UFO-detection stations."

This policy of not identifying the "source," to borrow a term from military intelligence, is insisted on by the Air Force so that the people who have co-operated with them will not get any unwanted publicity. Names are considered to be "classified But the greatest care has been taken to make sure that the omission of names and changes in locale has in no way altered the basic facts because this report is based on the facts?all of the facts?nothing of significance has been left out.

LINK FOR FREE E-BOOK;http://www.sacred-te.../rufo/index.htm

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Nice wee article in today's EEN with a Dr Duncan Forgan who gives his views on the chances of ET intelligences and life forms.He seems a down to earth chap and raises some very good scientific points.He goers on to speak of this century's new eureka that are the recently discovered extra planets by NASAs space telescope called Hubble,All this from a 27 year old scientific academic.Hopefully a new age of scientific minds are emerging along with all the new and up and coming discoveries being made in astro physics and the Hubbles detections of new star systems with their own planets. Article snippet and link below.ML.

 

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Dr Duncan Forgan believes it's unlikely that we're alone in the universe;

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?The idea that we?re alone as biological organisms, well, for me, that?s kind of unlikely,? says Dr Forgan, a sort of Han Solo with a university degree and Edinburgh?s real-life ?alien hunter?.

 

?There are estimated to be 100 billion planets in the galaxy,? he continues, ignoring the references to Space: 1999 and the odd Vulcan salute. ?That only one could have even simple biological life seems to be unlikely. If that was the case, then it would be a shattering result.?

 

 

Far more likely, he believes, is that alien life forms are really out there. Indeed, according to one raft of research he published after intense study from his lair at the Royal Observatory on Blackford Hill, there could be between a mere 361 up to a jaw-dropping 38,000 alien civilisations in our galaxy alone".

 

Of course, Dr Forgan has heard all those smarty-pants jibes before ? about ET and Klingons on the starboard bow, death rays, phasers, teleporting and Captain Kirk?s acting ability. Still just 27 years old, he learned a while ago that, when he goes to a party and someone asks what he does for a living, it?s probably less hassle to simply respond, ?I?m a PhD research fellow in an academic position?, than to admit, ?Well, as a matter of fact, I hunt for aliens?.

 

 

LINK; http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/edinburgh/story-of-real-life-alien-hunter-with-lifetime-s-quest-1-2260134

 

 

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Following on from my last post here is some info and links for anyone interested.ML.

 

 

? Into Deep Space, which features details of Dr Forgan?s work, and a second astronomy film, Close Distance, recording comparisons between an amateur ?citizen science? stargazer and a professional astronomer, will go on tour later this month. For details of where to see them, go to {http:// www.roe.ac.uk/vc/content/wywhexoplanets|

 

www.roe.ac.uk/vc/content/wywhexoplanets |www.roe.ac.uk/vc/content/wywhexoplanets}. Follow the Royal Observatory on Twitter @RoyalObs and Dr Duncan Forgan @dh4gan.

 

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Love discoveries like this NASA one below.Seems 25 years of research,study and theory's will now have to be revised or changed due to new data from NASAs orbiting IBEX space probe.Link and snippet below.geek.gif

 

 

Nasa probe sees the 'edge' of our solar system ;

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The outer limits: Nasa probe sees the 'edge' of our solar system for first time - and it's completely different from what we thought;

 

 

Solar system 'travelling more slowly than thought'

 

'Bow shock' - like a sonic boom in space - does not exist;

 

25 years of research turned on its head;wink.gif

 

Detected by the orbitiing IBEX probe, with information from Nasa's two Voyager craft

 

 

 

 

Nasa's probes have seen the 'edge' of our solar system for the first time - and it's completely different from what scientists thought.

 

Our solar system is flying through space more slowly than we thought - and Nasa's IBEX - Interstellar Boundary Explorer - has found it doesn't have a 'bow shock', an area of gas or plasma that shields our solar system as it hurtles though space

 

?The sonic boom made by a jet breaking the sound barrier is an earthly example of a bow shock,? says Dr. David McComas, principal investigator of the IBEX mission.

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Our solar system doesn't move quickly enough to generate a 'bow shock' - the galactic equivalent of a 'sonic boom'

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Here is link to last post.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2142886/The-outer-limits-Nasa-probe-sees-edge-solar-time--completely-different-thought.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

 

 

Also from that article and above link we can now see that there are now three more atoms flying through space on the solar winds.ML.

 

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"Nasa's Ulysses spacecraft detected interstellar neutral helium more than a decade ago.



 

But now, Earth-orbiting IBEX has observed three other types of atom including hydrogen, oxygen and neon - the raw material for the formation of new stars, planets and even human beings.These interstellar atoms are the by-products of older stars, which blow through in the so-called interstellar wind."

 







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How many people have you persuaded with this thread so far?

 

If that is the impression you are getting or have got from this thread that i am out to persuade anyone then you have not really followed my main point and that is you can take what you want from the information i post here.I have expressed a view from the information i have looked at so far,(and there is still plenty to get through),especially from the declassified military and MOD UFO documents from various countries governmental intelligences that some UFO reports that contain high levels of strangeness like sudden stops , vertical acceleration and sudden acceleration speeds not to mention the scientific papers presented by people like Dr James E .MacDonald an atmospheric and meteorologist physicist who was persuaded that some UFOs could very well be ET in origins. Sometimes people have expressed the opinion that "who knows" or yes there is life out there but ETs actually entering our atmosphere they have remain sceptical.

 

Also as you are well aware this UFO subject brings ridicule to those who express an interest ,give a view of a POSSIBLE ET origin for some UFOs and more likely than not will refrain from posting their opinion for fear of ridicule, did you take any of this into account before you posted your surmising of me trying to persuade anyone.As i have said its for information purposes and for those that are interested not for persuading anyone.Of course you will be aware of and be persuade to agree that like all subjects the bigger and clearer the picture becomes is reliant on just how far you are prepared to look into the information and how much you study, how far one goes down the rabbit hole of this subject is dependant on what levels of persuasion one requires is it not.Take what you want out of the information posted in this thread for its not up to me to persuade anyone its the nature of how far you are prepared to look into it and the information and the knowledge that is gained that is the real persuader. If you have NOT looked at all or enough information then how can one be truly persuaded. ML;

 

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These are the kind of documents that i have been looking into and still am.As one can see there are literary hundreds of de-classified UFO documents ranging from the CIA and FBI intelligences that show reports from military witnesses as well as civilian ones to.I am not out to persuade anyone here, i have my views based on going a bit deeper than probably most on here and its the documents that one comes across now and again can through up UFO cases that remain unsolved after official investigation and some do contain high levels of strangeness backed up by credible military witnesses.

 

For anyone who thinks there is nothing of real importance regarding UFOs then i would say see for your self because it aint all about the media"s wee green menromanovpalm.png,dodgy u-tube videosromanovpalm.png,(now and again interesting ones do crop up)and those cranks that claim contact with the star fleet galactic federation.phface.jpg

 

 

 

 

Again this information is just that ,information for those that have an interest.Snippet from link source below.MLgeek.gif

 

 

 

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FOIA declassified documents:

 

Here is a collection of documents, some of them were formerly secret or confidential, they were all declassified because of the Freedom Of Information Act.

 

F.O.I.A:

The Freedom of Information Act (F.O.I.A) is an American law that allows members of the public to obtain copies of classified documents by having all or parts of the documents declassified by order of a federal judge. The judge may refuse the declassification of a document if it is necessary for the document to remain classified because it affects national security. At least, that is in theory. In practice it has been very unreliable, if one group requests for a set of documents and gets them, it does not necessarily mean that a second group will be able to get them. If the government denies they have got the documents that you are looking for, they may not be telling the truth. It has been known for a government agency to deny that it has ANY documents on an incident yet release it some months later.

 

 

ORIGINAL US GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS:

  • The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has placed the full texts of more than 900 recently declassified documents concerning UFO's on line at the CIA's Electronic Documents Release Center. Use the "search" page and keywords such as UFO. Thousands of other documents can be obtained more or less easily upon request.
  • The National Security Agency (NSA) has placed the full texts of recently declassified documents concerning UFOs online at theNational Security Agency's UFO Documents Index.
  • The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has placed the full texts of recently declassified documents concerning UFOs in PDF format in the "Unusual Phenomena" section of the FOIA Electronic Reading Room.

 

 

 

LINK SOURCE. http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/indexe.htm

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How many people have you persuaded with this thread so far?

 

 

I personally love this thread.. I love reading and learning and making my own mind up about things... I mean, a lot of what ML posts is crap but some things are great. :whistling: Keep up the good work ML

 

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I personally love this thread.. I love reading and learning and making my own mind up about things... I mean, a lot of what ML posts is crap but some things are great. :whistling: Keep up the good work ML

 

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Cheers for the input Bigsmark and you raised an important point and one i have longed thought as the most important factor in anything regarding the nature of the things covered in this thread and that is, making your own mind up.thumbsup.gifHere is one recent discovery that i find exciting , little by little the the things science thought where probably not scientificly plausible are coming true.laugh.gifTake this recent discovery below by some quantum physicists.geek.gif

 

 

 

Quantum Researchers Able to Stop and Restart Light (and its not a light switch they are using).laugh.gif

 

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In two independent experiments that defy the notions of Einstein, researchers have been able to stop, then restart a beam of light.

 

Ordinarily, light travels at the speed of 186,282 miles per second, but the research team of Lene Hau, a professor of physics at Harvard, who in 1999 was able to slow light down to 38 miles per hour, has been able to trap light in a cloud of sodium atoms super-cooled to near ?absolute zero.?'

 

 

 

 

?It?s nifty to look into the chamber and see a clump of ultracold atoms floating there,? Hau says. ?In this odd state, light takes on a more human dimension; you can almost touch it.? [1]

 

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In an independent experiment, an easier approache was tried by the team of Ronald Walsworth and Mikhail Lukin at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Read more: Quantum Researchers Able to Stop and Restart Light

 

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This incident has always captured my imagination and fuelled may a debate amongst academics including those that worked with SETI.To this day there has never been a adequate explanation as to what this signal was.Some seen it as a real and genuine attempt at contact from a intelligence somewhere out on the cosmos,some dismiss it as a freak signal and some are undecided.What ever the origins of this signal there is one very important factor that seems to niggle away or keep one really perplexed at what it could have been and it is this.There was and still are certain scientific credentials in place that need to be verified and matched for any "intelligently" designed signal to be considered or even thought of as a legitimate scientific reality or to put it another any signal needed to have certain characteristics to be a genuine intelligently sent signal, this "WOW SIGNAL" matched all of the required scientific requirements.ML.geek.gif

 

 

 

What Was the Wow! Signal?

 

 

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"Ehman, a volunteer researcher for Ohio State University?s now-defunct Big Ear radio observatory, pebrused data from the telescope?s scan of the skies on August 15, a few days earlier. In those days, such information was run through an IBM 1130 mainframe computer and printed on perforated paper, and then laboriously examined by hand. But the tedium was shattered when Ehman spotted something surprising?a vertical column with the alphanumerical sequence ?6EQUJ5,? which had occurred at 10:16 p.m. EST. He grabbed a red pen and circled the sequence. In the margin, wrote ?Wow!?

LINK; http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/chasing-ufos/what-is-the-wow-signal/#page=1

As a side note the national geographic channel is airing a new series called the "UFO CHASERS"laugh.gif this Friday June 29th.Below is a wee snippet of what this show will contain, the three presenters are made up of one sceptic,one believer and one on the fence.ML.

 

 

 

 

 

The Chasing UFOs Team

Comprising one believer, one skeptic and one undecided, get to know the dynamic Chasing UFO team: Ryder, Ben, and James.

 

 

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Click links below names to read more about them.

Ben Magee=Physical Scientist;

http://tvblogs.nationalgeographic.com/2012/06/26/meet-the-ufo-chasers-ben-mcgee-physical-scientist/

 

James Fox=UFOligst;

http://tvblogs.nationalgeographic.com/2012/06/26/meet-the-ufo-chasers-james-fox-ufologist/

 

Erin Ryder=Teck and Recon;

http://tvblogs.nationalgeographic.com/2012/06/26/meet-the-ufo-chasers-ryder/

 

 

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"In National Geographic Channel?s new eight-part series Chasing UFOs, join a team of pioneering investigators pushes the limits to find the truth behind unexplained UFO sightings. Are we being watched? Is the government hiding information on UFO happenings? Can this team use science and technology to explain mysterious sightings or will the evidence truly be out of this world? These burning questions motivate the Chasing UFOs investigative team to travel far and probe deep into a number of strange encounters previously left unanswered."

link; http://tvblogs.nationalgeographic.com/2012/05/23/introducing-the-chasing-ufos-team/

 

 

Anyone fancy sending a message out to space ,click on this link below.ML.

 

Send a Message to Outer Space: The Wow Reply

 

 

 

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Tweet us a message with hashtag #chasingufos. We?ll collect all tweets starting at 8P ET to Midnight on June 29th. Then, on the 35th anniversary of the Wow! Signal, we?ll collect a digital packet of all those tweets and beam them into outer space. If you already know what you want to say, schedule your tweet now with our tool and we?ll save it until then.

 

It?s not every day that you get to send a message out into the universe, so think carefully about what you want to say to whatever or whoever may be out there.laugh.gif

 

 

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That sounds pretty cool. Any actual use for it?

 

Do not know hugheise, think it is in its primary stage just now,Here is some information that hopefully will answer your question and cheers for the feed back;ML.thumbsup.gif

 

 

 

Remarkably, scientists are somewhat uncertain about the

implications and practicality of this research.

 

?We hope for wonderful things,? says David Phillips, who worked on the CfA ?stop light? project. ?Our imagination hasn?t figured out what the possibilities are yet.? [1]
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However, there appear to be clear implications for using experiments like this to ultimately improve the speed of computers, potentially creating the possibility to shift from binary computing to quantum encoding of data.

 

Computers operating by these so-called quantum effects are much more efficient that those available today, or even on the drawing board. (?Quantum? refers to changes in the energy levels of the atoms.) Today?s machines represent information in bits, electronic combinations of zeros and ones. Bits represented by quantum states of atoms could carry much, much more information. Cubic inch for cubic inch, quantum computers could tackle problems that would stymie the most super of conventional computers. For example, they could perform many calculations simultaneously. [1]

 

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Here is a good wee video of the 1982 documentary "the UFO experience".In this documentary we find contributions from professor Dr J.Allen Hynek who was the scientific consultant who sat on the USAF UFO investigation committee called "project blue book"He was latter to change his stance on his beliefs on those UFO cases he was privy to investigate, he realised that some cases defied mundane explanations, these cases where latter to be known in the circles of officialdom and Ufology circles as the famous "blue books unknowns".ML.

 

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"In 1983 Ron Lakis, on behalf of KPIX TV in San Francisco, produced 'The UFO Experience' which, almost 30 years later, still contains some of the best evidence on the subject. J. Allen Hynek, Peter A Gersten, Richard Haines, Bruce Maccabee, Tom Page, and John Scheussler are featured. Betty Cash, Vicky and Colby Landrum, Shannon Davis, Joseph Del Duca, and Carole Del Duca present the evidence. Narrated by Peter Coyote."

 

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6bt2mVcWaw

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There is one man i do admire in the world of Ufology and that is the late Dr James E MacDonald who was a senior atmospheric physicist and meteorologist at the Institute of Atmospheric Physics at the University of Arizona in Tucson.He relentlessly campaigned for a proper scientific investigation into the world wide UFO situation based on his assertions and findings of inadequate scientific methods of investigation's he found in the official UFO investigation's that where carried out by the USAF military and scientific intelligences.

 

 

These official investigation's that he found to contain inadequate scientific methods of investigation where named "project Blue Book" and the "Condon Report" , he was privy to a lot of highly classified UFO documents at the time and he investigated them thoroughly was not satisfied by the scientific investigatory nature these official investigation's took.He was correct in pointing out that these official investigation's,(Blue book,Condon Report),would and did shape ,influence and manipulate the scientific and public's views,perceptions and beliefs of the UFO situations across the world.In short "blue book" and the Condon Report" successfully put an end to any future scientific investigation's on UFOs and shaped the public's,(media's), views on UFOs , it gave the media "licence" to ridicule and attack UFO reports or those reporting them or those who took them seriously or even held the view that SOME just might POSSIBLY be ET in origins.He wrote and submitted a scientific paper called "20 years of inadequate scientific investigation's in UFOs" and presented it to the US House of Representatives".ML.

 

 

 

 

DR. JAMES E. McDONALD'S UFO FILES

 

by Ann Druffel

 

"The voluminous UFO research files of a fearless scientist. Dr. James E. McDonald, have lain in a special "UFO room" at his home in Tucson, Arizona for twenty-five years, lovingly protected by members of his family. McDonald was a high-profile contributor to scientific UFO research, beginning in the Spring of 1966 and continuing until his tragic death in June 1971.

 

Jim McDonald was a top atmospheric physicist. His official title was "Senior Physicist" at the Institute of Atmospheric Physics (IAP) at the University of Arizona in Tucson."

 

link; http://www.anndruffe...ldsufofiles.htm

 

 

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"Privately, McDonald analyzed all Project Blue Book case files, convincing him that the Air Force had performed an entirely inadequate investigation, which appeared to have been more concerned with internal politics rather than real science. He also reviewed the cases of the Air Force's sponsored University of Colorado UFO study, and concluded that many of their explanations were not well founded either".Biography: link; http://www.nicap.org/bios/mcdonald.htm

 

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Staying on the topic of my last post here are some links on Dr James MacDonald ,for anyone who is interested and wants to see the other side of this subject and from credible sources and away from those scientific and media sources that condemn and ridicule those like Dr MacDonald.ML.geek.gif

 

 

For further reading and study these links below are appropriate;Links:www.theblackvault.com...

 

www.gonogging.com...

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As i pointed out in my previous posts the results,conclusions and final findings based on the scientific methods used by the panel of military and scientific individuals who sat on the official USAF UFO investigation called "project blue book" was to have a great impact on any scientific and military UFO investigation's .In short it ended any real or accepted scientific investigation's.Now as was mentioned a great deal of research was done into these scientific methods of investigation used by Blue Book by the late atmospheric physicist Dr James E MacDonald,he basically found a great deal of scientffic research discrepancies used by "Blue Books" investigation intelligences.Below is some information on what was to be later termed by MacDonald as "force fit debunking".He found real evidence of deliberate and spurious,contrived or just plain ridiculous "official UFO explanations.

 

There will be no doubt many people out there who will just accept these USAF debunks without a second look and feel there is no need to but if a person actually examines the case histories, like what MacDonald did, then many of these official case histories and their evaluations simply fail to stand up to scrutiny.That most of the public are completely unaware or never new of these discrepancies that were found by MacDonald by his scientific credentials and academic standings in atmospheric physics and meteorology is why there is some much ridicule aimed at this subject or those who express a real interest in just what is entering and leaving various countries restricted military air spaces at WILL be they in the past or present. MacDonald's scientific credentials lead even more weight to what he discovered when he painstakingly investigated a very large number of the UFO case histories that project "blue book" investigated and determined explained.

 

Below is a a very relevant statement made by Dr James E .MacDonald from the university of Arizona, this was one of his many outspoken criticism of the official UFO investigation's that where undertaken by the intelligences of United States Air Force,(USAF) and the scientific individuals too.criticism As well as MacDonald's quote below i have included a prime example of a "force fit debunking" explanation that MacDonald was referring to when he termed the saying "force fit debunking",there are more examples of these force fitting debunking explanations found in the link provided.ML.

 

 

 

 

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"As a result of several trips to project Bluebook,I?ve had an opportunity to examine quite carefully and in detail the types of reports that are made by Bluebook personnel.In most cases, I have found that theres almost no correlation between so-called "evaluations and explanations" that are made by Bluebook and the facts of the case...

There are hundreds of good cases in the Air Force files that should have led to top-level scientific scrutiny of this problem,years ago,yet these cases have been swept under the rug in a most disturbing way by Project Bluebook investigators and their consultants." Dr James McDonald -Senior physicist at the Institute for Atmospheric Physics and professor in the Department of Meteorology at the University of Arizona

 

http://nicap.org/ufoe/contents.htm

 

 

USAF "force fit" debunks.

http://nicap.org/ufoe/contents.htm

 

Link http://nicap.org/ufoe/contents.htm

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NICAP or National Investigation Committee on Ariel Phenomena,is on of the most credible and important independent UFO investigation organisations in the world and is made up of various individuals with expertise in their various fields.NICAP has put together a very important and compact book dealing with its own investigation's out with the official scene or when official investigation's carried out by the USAF like "blue book" ended because of the official stance that there was nothing to investigate and that all UFOs are explainable and they offer NO threat to national security,(and that is in the face of a high number of UFOs that have entered and left various countries restricted air space at will),whistling.gifNICAP and its investigatory findings is well worthy of consideration and study to anyone who is just plain curious or interested.Again i have included the appropriate link for further reading ect. have Below is a quote from the introduction section of NICAPS book which can be read on-line in the link provided below.ML;

 

 

INTRODUCTION

"In an article for Yale Scientific magazine, April 1963, Dr. J. Allen Hynek (Chief scientific consultant to the Air Force on UFOS) said: ". there are more reports per year now than there were in the early years of the 'flying saucer era'... [uFO reports] have been coming to the Air Force at the rate of better than one a day over the past fifteen years. - . the daily press no longer carries such reports, except perhaps as fillers, because monotonously repeated items do not constitute news. But it is just this repetition that is of potential scientific interest." Dr. Hynek added that the intelligence of the UFO witnesses has been "at least average," often "decidedly above average," and sometimes "embarrassingly above average."

 

There are basically two explanations for the consistent, world wide reporting of UFOs every year: (1) widespread and presently unaccountable delusion on a scale so vast that it should be, in itself, a matter of urgent scientific study; (2) people are seeing maneuvering, apparently controlled objects in the atmosphere.

 

Of the two hypotheses, the second appears to be more reasonable and it is solidly grounded in empirical observations. It is also borne out, in enough cases to warrant far more scientific investigation , by instruments. [section VIII]. However, the basic problem is to determine as conclusively as possible which hypothesis is correct. For obvious reasons, verification of the second hypothesis could be one of the most important discoveries of all time.

 

This report is an attempt to clarify the reliable evidence of UFOs, and to remove the fog of mysticism and crackpotism which has helped to obscure the real issues. These issues are (1) the factual evidence for UFOs and its interpretation; (2) official secrecy and its effect on efforts to arrive at truth.

 

Under no conditions is this report, or any part of it, to be considered an endorsement, acceptance or other recognition of any claims and beliefs of a philosophical, religious or spiritual nature. Diverse beliefs in these areas are being expounded by many cults, including individuals who use the UFO subject for the purpose of self-enrichment at the expense of an ill- informed public.

 

This report presents documented facts on the physical aspects of UFOs, which we believe should be investigated scientifically. If our hypotheses are correct they stand independently of, and do not prove, unsubstantiated tales of rides in "flying saucers." Our investigations have found no evidence to support these claims, but considerable evidence of fraud. This does not mean that we believe a meeting with space men is impossible. It merely means that the public is being misled by some unscrupulous individuals making these claims, whose false stories are beclouding serious evidence.

 

 

 

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http://nicap.org/ufoe/contents.htm

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If there was one avenue of the UFO situation regarding the public and their attitudes ,perceptions and even belief systems then it is the educational side of this subject.So much of the historical importance has been left for those that are curious,not buying the official stance that there is nothing of real importance to investigate and more importantly by passing the political,religious and ridiculing poisons that have plagued or polluted any real advancements of trying to understand those cases that defy explanations.Of course a lot has changed since the 50sand 60s when the last offical investigation's where carried out and those changes have lead to some degree of perceptions that there might just be some unknown intelligence behind SOME UFO sightings.Below is a list from NICAPs book that delves deeper into this mystery than any U -Tube dodgy video or pesh taking news paper could ever comprehend.Again the link is provided for those curious and interested in what MIGHT just be entering and leaving our atmosphere, be it secret military nanotechnology ,unknown natural or something else,either way this book looks at ALL possibilities and i think that this subject deserves that at least.ML.geek.gif

LINK; http://nicap.org/ufoe/contents.htm

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After reading this NICAP book it took me as no surprise that the public and its perceptions ,(so,often enforced by the media out lets),of the UFO situation past and present are in a limbo purgatory mind set.This is not an attack on the public's rights or beliefs systems on the UFO subject but mainly the situation's regarding those that do delve deeper and so often come across information that leads to a deeper understanding of this enigma, and the UFO subject is no different in the fact that it has secrets like any other subject that needs a deeper understanding of its content and that are discovered by those that wish to find them.The introduction section included in the link provided takes us on that deeper understanding if one so wishes that is, it gives us a better perception of the facts and contributes to our own personal decision making on making our own minds up.ML.

 

INTRODUCTION. Page i

 

Abstract. Explanation of NICAP and its policies. Statement by Board of Governors.

Section I. CROSS-SECTION DIGEST, Page 1

 

Sample cases showing general features of UFO reports.

 

Section II. INTELLIGENT CONTROL, Page 9

 

Cases indicating intelligence: pacing of vehicles, reaction to stimuli, formation flights.

LINK; http://nicap.org/ufoe/contents.htm

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As is the nature of this UFO subject/situation it can be seen that conflicting evaluations of the data contained in each respective UFO report can and does throw up conflicting explanations.What was needed in this particular area was a precise and chronological directory of UFO reports in their respective categories and NICAP done exactly that.What has to remembered also is that there is probably a very lot of UFO reports that went unreported and still is today because of various reasons and they are most likely the following,"what will ours think if i go public","will i be ridiculed","no one will believe me" These reasons and their usage can again be traced back to the official and final conclusions that where reached by the USAF sponsored UFO investigation's such as "blue book". As with the previous posts links are provided and a snippet is provided from that link.ML.geek.gif

 

 

SECTION III. AIR FORCE INVESTIGATIONS, Page 19

Sightings by Air Force pilots, navigators, other officers and men.

SECTION IV. ARMY, NAVY & MARINE CORPS, Page 29

Reports of other military personnel.

 

SECTION VI. SCIENTISTS & ENGINEERS, Page 49

Observations by professional scientists and engineers, including astronomers and aeronautical engineers.

link; http://nicap.org/ufoe/contents.htm

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This post is the final part of "part one" of the "educational aspect" of the UFO situation , while the information contained in the respective links i have provided in these recent posts there is really no substitute for getting ones hands dirty in the jungle of those UFO reports that are covered in the cross sections of NICAPS respective categories of reports.There is no greater benefit than in most subject's than a knowledgeable and educated perception of that subject and the UFO historical and educated side of the UFO situation is no different.ML.

 

 

SECTION VII. OFFICIALS & CITIZENS, Page 61

Sightings by police officers, civil defense and ground observer corps, cross-section of citizens' reports.

SECTION VIII SPECIAL EVIDENCE, Page 73

Electro-magnetic effects. Radar cases. Photographic evidence. Physical and Physiological effects. Sound. Angel's Hair.biggrin.gif

 

 

SECTION IX. THE AIR FORCE INVESTIGATION, Page 105

Background of secrecy. Official regulations. History and analysis of the official UFO investigation.

 

 

http://nicap.org/ufoe/contents.htm

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Right,biggrin.gif staying on the "educational" side ,here is part two, this section will deal with the available literature on the UFO subject and of course bypassing any books that claim to be in contact with "Zorg" the leader of the "Zorganites" from planet Zorg.Below is a link for books that concentrate on educational rather than spectacular.ML.

 

 

 

Recommended books, a brief selection

The following books are recommended by the Center for UFO Studies for anyone who wants to learn more about the topic. They may be found in bookstores or libraries, but a few are hard to find. [Further synopses will be forth coming.]

 

  • J. Allen Hynek, The UFO Experience (1972)

For twenty years Dr. J. Allen Hynek served as a consultant to Project Blue Book, and The UFO Experience is his response to the official Air Force debunking policies and a summation of what he had learned about the UFO phenomenon. Hynek presents an eloquent and accessible case for the continuing scientific study of UFOs and offers a classification system that inspired the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Moreover, his witness profiles shatter the officially fostered fallacy that those who see UFOs are ignorant or insane.

 

 

  • Lawrence Fawcett & Berry Greenwood,
    UFO Cover-Up
    (1992)

Using government documents released through FOIA, Fawcett and Greenwood build a convincing scenario that traces the history of official efforts to conceal UFO evidence.

 

 

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As part of the educational topic i am covering i thought it worthwhile to post some advice when it comes to deciding or choosing what is the type of criteria and format that a good educational book on UFOs should contain.While there are 1000s of books out there on the subject not all are purely for educational purposes.There is certain criteria that a good book should have ,so here is the list below and hopefully it will help those in deciding what to look out for.ML.

 

 

 

"There are many books in book stores and libraries that discuss UFOs. Sometimes it is hard for someone new to the subject to tell which are worth reading. Whatever you read, ask yourself these questions"

 

:What are the author's qualifications for writing on this topic?Does the book show political, cultural, or religious biases?Is there a bibliography, footnotes, or lists of sources for further reading?

 

 

link; http://nicap.org/ti04.htm

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