Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Follow Adam Schefter for news and gossip. In terms of podcasts, I listen to the Patriots podcasts but Rich Eisen's on NFL.com is meant to be decent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 Just FYI some new dynasty rankings got posted over at FBGs, I'll post them here for you to have a look. I don't agree with some of it. Overall: 1 QB Aaron Rodgers, GB 2 QB Drew Brees, NO 3 QB Tom Brady, NE 4 RB Ray Rice, BAL 5 RB Arian Foster, HOU 6 RB LeSean McCoy, PHI 7 WR Calvin Johnson, DET 8 WR Andre Johnson, HOU 9 WR Wes Welker, NE 10 TE Rob Gronkowski, NE 11 QB Matthew Stafford, DET 12 WR Larry Fitzgerald, ARI 13 RB Matt Forte, CHI 14 RB Maurice Jones-Drew, JAX 15 WR Jordy Nelson, GB 16 WR A.J. Green, CIN 17 WR Hakeem Nicks, NYG 18 QB Cam Newton, CAR 19 TE Jimmy Graham, NO 20 RB Adrian Peterson, MIN 21 WR Roddy White, ATL 22 WR Greg Jennings, GB 23 QB Eli Manning, NYG 24 RB Demarco Murray, DAL 25 WR Vincent Jackson, SD 26 WR Marques Colston, NO 27 WR Brandon Marshall, MIA 28 WR Steve Smith, CAR 29 WR Brandon Lloyd, STL 30 WR Victor Cruz, NYG 31 WR Mike Wallace, PIT 32 WR Percy Harvin, MIN 33 WR Dez Bryant, DAL 34 WR Julio Jones, ATL 35 QB Tony Romo, DAL 36 QB Peyton Manning, IND 37 QB Philip Rivers, SD 38 WR Dwayne Bowe, KC 39 WR Miles Austin, DAL 40 WR Antonio Brown, PIT 41 WR Steve Johnson, BUF 42 WR Jeremy Maclin, PHI 43 RB Michael Turner, ATL 44 RB Steven Jackson, STL 45 RB Frank Gore, SF 46 RB Chris Johnson, TEN 47 RB Chris Wells, ARI 48 RB Jamaal Charles, KC 49 RB Darren McFadden, OAK 50 RB Darren Sproles, NO 51 RB Reggie Bush, MIA 52 RB Jonathan Stewart, CAR 53 RB Ahmad Bradshaw, NYG 54 RB DeAngelo Williams, CAR 55 QB Ben Roethlisberger, PIT 56 QB Matt Ryan, ATL 57 QB Matt Schaub, HOU 58 QB Jay Cutler, CHI 59 QB Tim Tebow, DEN 60 QB Michael Vick, PHI 61 WR Santonio Holmes, NYJ 62 WR Austin Collie, IND 63 WR Denarius Moore, OAK 64 WR Reggie Wayne, IND 65 WR DeSean Jackson, PHI 66 WR Kenny Britt, TEN 67 WR Torrey Smith, BAL 68 WR Michael Crabtree, SF 69 WR Demaryius Thomas, DEN 70 RB Rashard Mendenhall, PIT 71 RB Michael Bush, OAK 72 RB C.J. Spiller, BUF 73 RB Mark Ingram, NO 74 TE Jason Witten, DAL 75 TE Aaron Hernandez, NE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 By position: 1 QB Aaron Rodgers, GB 2 QB Drew Brees, NO 3 QB Tom Brady, NE 4 QB Matthew Stafford, DET 5 QB Cam Newton, CAR 6 QB Eli Manning, NYG 7 QB Tony Romo, DAL 8 QB Peyton Manning, IND 9 QB Philip Rivers, SD 10 QB Ben Roethlisberger, PIT 11 QB Matt Ryan, ATL 12 QB Matt Schaub, HOU 13 QB Jay Cutler, CHI 14 QB Tim Tebow, DEN 15 QB Michael Vick, PHI 16 QB Carson Palmer, OAK 17 QB Ryan Fitzpatrick, BUF 18 QB Joe Flacco, BAL 19 QB Andy Dalton, CIN 20 QB Christian Ponder, MIN 21 QB Sam Bradford, STL 22 QB Alex Smith, SF 23 QB Jake Locker, TEN 24 QB Mark Sanchez, NYJ 25 QB Josh Freeman, TB 26 QB Matt Flynn, GB 27 QB Brian Hoyer, NE 28 QB Blaine Gabbert, JAX 29 QB Ryan Mallett, NE 30 QB Matt Hasselbeck, TEN 31 QB Matt Moore, MIA 32 QB Tarvaris Jackson, SEA 33 QB David Garrard 34 QB John Skelton, ARI 35 QB Kevin Kolb, ARI 36 QB Matt Cassel, KC 37 QB Vince Young, PHI 38 QB Josh Johnson, TB 39 QB T.J. Yates, HOU 40 QB Colin Kaepernick, SF ? 41 QB Jason Campbell, OAK 42 QB Bruce Gradkowski, CIN 43 QB Nate Davis, IND 44 QB Matt Leinart, HOU 45 QB Greg McElroy, NYJ 46 QB Ricky Stanzi, KC 47 QB Billy Volek, SD 48 QB Kyle Orton, KC 49 QB Colt McCoy, CLE 50 QB Rex Grossman, WAS 51 QB Seneca Wallace, CLE 52 QB Chad Henne, MIA 53 QB Troy Smith, SF 54 QB Shaun Hill, DET 55 QB Jon Kitna, DAL 56 QB Dennis Dixon, PIT 57 QB David Carr, NYG 58 QB John Beck, WAS 59 QB Tyler Thigpen, BUF 60 QB Caleb Hanie, CHI ? ? 1 RB Ray Rice, BAL 2 RB Arian Foster, HOU 3 RB LeSean McCoy, PHI 4 RB Matt Forte, CHI 5 RB Maurice Jones-Drew, JAX 6 RB Marshawn Lynch, SEA 7 RB Adrian Peterson, MIN 8 RB Demarco Murray, DAL 9 RB Ryan Mathews, SD 10 RB Michael Turner, ATL 11 RB Steven Jackson, STL 12 RB Frank Gore, SF 13 RB Chris Johnson, TEN 14 RB Chris Wells, ARI 15 RB Jamaal Charles, KC 16 RB Darren McFadden, OAK 17 RB Darren Sproles, NO 18 RB Reggie Bush, MIA 19 RB Jonathan Stewart, CAR 20 RB Ahmad Bradshaw, NYG 21 RB DeAngelo Williams, CAR 22 RB Rashard Mendenhall, PIT 23 RB Michael Bush, OAK 24 RB C.J. Spiller, BUF 25 RB Mark Ingram, NO 26 RB Fred Jackson, BUF 27 RB LeGarrette Blount, TB 28 RB Shane Vereen, NE 29 RB Ben Tate, HOU 30 RB Kevin Smith, DET 31 RB Shonn Greene, NYJ 32 RB Felix Jones, DAL 33 RB Roy Helu, WAS 34 RB Dexter McCluster, KC 35 RB James Starks, GB 36 RB Pierre Thomas, NO 37 RB Mike Tolbert, SD 38 RB Brandon Jacobs, NYG 39 RB Daniel Thomas, MIA 40 RB Willis McGahee, DEN 41 RB Jacquizz Rodgers, ATL 42 RB Dion Lewis, PHI 43 RB Mikel Leshoure, DET 44 RB BenJarvus Green-Ellis, NE 45 RB Rashad Jennings, JAX 46 RB Peyton Hillis, CLE 47 RB Kendall Hunter, SF 48 RB Stevan Ridley, NE 49 RB Delone Carter, IND 50 RB Bilal Powell, NYJ 51 RB Chris Ivory, NO 52 RB Ryan Grant, GB 53 RB Jahvid Best, DET 54 RB Cedric Benson, CIN 55 RB Donald Brown, IND 56 RB Evan Royster, WAS 57 RB Toby Gerhart, MIN 58 RB Taiwan Jones, OAK 59 RB Joseph Addai, IND 60 RB Bernard Scott, CIN ? ? 1 WR Calvin Johnson, DET 2 WR Andre Johnson, HOU 3 WR Wes Welker, NE 4 WR Larry Fitzgerald, ARI 5 WR Jordy Nelson, GB 6 WR A.J. Green, CIN 7 WR Hakeem Nicks, NYG 8 WR Roddy White, ATL 9 WR Greg Jennings, GB 10 WR Vincent Jackson, SD 11 WR Marques Colston, NO 12 WR Brandon Marshall, MIA 13 WR Steve Smith, CAR 14 WR Brandon Lloyd, STL 15 WR Victor Cruz, NYG 16 WR Mike Wallace, PIT 17 WR Percy Harvin, MIN 18 WR Dez Bryant, DAL 19 WR Julio Jones, ATL 20 WR Dwayne Bowe, KC 21 WR Miles Austin, DAL 22 WR Antonio Brown, PIT 23 WR Steve Johnson, BUF 24 WR Jeremy Maclin, PHI 25 WR Santonio Holmes, NYJ 26 WR Austin Collie, IND 27 WR Denarius Moore, OAK 28 WR Reggie Wayne, IND 29 WR DeSean Jackson, PHI 30 WR Kenny Britt, TEN 31 WR Torrey Smith, BAL 32 WR Michael Crabtree, SF 33 WR Demaryius Thomas, DEN 34 WR Jacoby Ford, OAK 35 WR Eric Decker, DEN 36 WR Mike Williams, TB 37 WR Randall Cobb, GB 38 WR Greg Little, CLE 39 WR Laurent Robinson, DAL 40 WR Pierre Garcon, IND 41 WR Malcom Floyd, SD 42 WR Nate Washington, TEN 43 WR Doug Baldwin, SEA 44 WR Anquan Boldin, BAL 45 WR Sidney Rice, SEA 46 WR Mario Manningham, NYG 47 WR Darrius Heyward-Bey, OAK 48 WR Jonathan Baldwin, KC 49 WR Lance Moore, NO 50 WR Andre Roberts, ARI 51 WR Earl Bennett, CHI 52 WR Jerome Simpson, CIN 53 WR Steve Smith, PHI 54 WR Damian Williams, TEN 55 WR Santana Moss, WAS 56 WR Emmanuel Sanders, PIT 57 WR Plaxico Burress, NYJ 58 WR Steve Breaston, KC 59 WR Mike Williams, SEA 60 WR James Jones, GB 61 WR Arrelious Benn, TB 62 WR Leonard Hankerson, WAS 63 WR Johnny Knox, CHI 64 WR Greg Salas, STL 65 WR Titus Young, DET 66 WR Josh Cribbs, CLE 67 WR Brandon LaFell, CAR 68 WR Robert Meachem, NO 69 WR Davone Bess, MIA 70 WR Jordan Shipley, CIN 71 WR Preston Parker, TB 72 WR David Nelson, BUF 73 WR Donald Driver, GB 74 WR Nate Burleson, DET 75 WR Mark Clayton, STL ? ? 1 TE Rob Gronkowski, NE 2 TE Jimmy Graham, NO 3 TE Jason Witten, DAL 4 TE Aaron Hernandez, NE 5 TE Antonio Gates, SD 6 TE Vernon Davis, SF 7 TE Jermichael Finley, GB 8 TE Tony Gonzalez, ATL 9 TE Brandon Pettigrew, DET 10 TE Jared Cook, TEN 11 TE Dallas Clark, IND 12 TE Jermaine Gresham, CIN 13 TE Dustin Keller, NYJ 14 TE Tony Moeaki, KC 15 TE Owen Daniels, HOU 16 TE Greg Olsen, CAR 17 TE Brent Celek, PHI 18 TE Kellen Winslow, TB 19 TE Ed Dickson, BAL 20 TE Fred Davis, WAS 21 TE Kyle Rudolph, MIN 22 TE Dennis Pitta, BAL 23 TE Heath Miller, PIT 24 TE Marcedes Lewis, JAX 25 TE Jordan Cameron, CLE 26 TE D.J. Williams, GB 27 TE Julius Thomas, DEN 28 TE Zach Miller, SEA 29 TE Chris Cooley, WAS 30 TE Virgil Green, DEN 31 TE Rob Housler, ARI 32 TE James Casey, HOU 33 TE Jake Ballard, NYG 34 TE Ben Watson, CLE 35 TE Todd Heap, ARI ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) Without looking at everyone on the list, I'd say: I can understand taking Rodgers and Brees 1 and 2 in the overall dynasty rankings, but Brady is too high at number 3 given his age imo. I'd go 1.Calvin Johnson 2.Rodgers 3.Brees 4.McCoy 5.Rice I'd rank Gronkowski and Graham closer together in the overall rankings. Wouldn't hesitate to take either at the start of the 2nd round. Individual rankings. QB - Peyton too high. Vick and Bradford a few spots too low. RB - I'd rather draft Chris Johnson, Darren McFadden and Jamaal Charles ahead of Gore/Turner/Jackson. Spiller is too low. Demarco Murray shouldn't be top 10 just now. WR - Personally I'd only draft Mega ahead of Green at WR. Some of the guys in their 30s are too high. Julio Jones is way too low. I think he has Wallace/Antonio Brown about right though. TE - Tony Gonzalez is too high. And if its a shame that Fred Davis has issues, as otherwise he'd be at least ten spots higher. Edited January 17, 2012 by Long Ball Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 Agree with most of that. The one that stuck out to me was Andre Johnson far too high. Here's my 5minute view: 1 QB Aaron Rodgers, GB 2 QB Drew Brees, NO 5 QB Cam Newton, CAR 4 QB Matthew Stafford, DET 3 QB Tom Brady, NE 9 QB Philip Rivers, SD 6 QB Eli Manning, NYG 7 QB Tony Romo, DAL Andrew Luck (rookie) 11 QB Matt Ryan, ATL ? ? 1 RB Ray Rice, BAL 3 RB LeSean McCoy, PHI 2 RB Arian Foster, HOU Trent Richardson (rookie) 9 RB Ryan Mathews, SD 15 RB Jamaal Charles, KC 4 RB Matt Forte, CHI 16 RB Darren McFadden, OAK 7 RB Adrian Peterson, MIN 5 RB Maurice Jones-Drew, JAX ? ? 1 WR Calvin Johnson, DET 4 WR Larry Fitzgerald, ARI 6 WR A.J. Green, CIN 3 WR Wes Welker, NE 8 WR Roddy White, ATL 2 WR Andre Johnson, HOU 19 WR Julio Jones, ATL 7 WR Hakeem Nicks, NYG 9 WR Greg Jennings, GB 18 WR Dez Bryant, DAL ? ? 1 TE Rob Gronkowski, NE 2 TE Jimmy Graham, NO 6 TE Vernon Davis, SF 4 TE Aaron Hernandez, NE 5 TE Antonio Gates, SD 7 TE Jermichael Finley, GB 3 TE Jason Witten, DAL 9 TE Brandon Pettigrew, DET 15 TE Owen Daniels, HOU 12 TE Jermaine Gresham, CIN ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt.Speirs Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Just before i go ahead with any trade can someone give my the draft line up for next year for the top 6 picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Those top tens are much better than the FBG's one. I'd probably still prefer to pass on Welker/Johnson/White to take Julio Jones. Tried and failed to trade for him a couple of weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Just before i go ahead with any trade can someone give my the draft line up for next year for the top 6 picks. 1 Prestonpans Pirates 2 Melbourne Patriots 3 Forrester Thunder 4 Goldenacre Giants 5 Saughton Seahawks 6 Team I am Disappoint or some name like that. http://64.73.54.63/2011/mb/topic_show.pl?bid=201111893&tid=3180406 Since this was posted, The 1.06 1.08 and 1.16 belong to Team I am disappoint now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt.Speirs Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Cheers Larry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 Daylight robbery, that trade can't be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Grimes Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 That looks well off! I'd love to hear the logic behind it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt.Speirs Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 What's wrong with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 I'm firmly in the 'let people manage their own team and don't veto' camp but that's pretty terrible. It's atleast Blackmon, Luck or Griffin for a late 1st next year a nothing WR and a RB who's looked just better than average. Giving up that pick makes the 13 first even later as well. Very curious what happened here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt.Speirs Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 So am I not allowed to put trade up, as you can see I offered on my first trade Reggie Wayne, Turner a 4th round 1st and second for next year. It was rejected and Forrester put up a counter offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Ewing Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Looks like Jim Caldwell has finally got his marching orders in Indy. :jbsmug: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 So am I not allowed to put trade up, as you can see I offered on my first trade Reggie Wayne, Turner a 4th round 1st and second for next year. It was rejected and Forrester put up a counter offer. I didn't see any previous offers, I thought maybe it had been accepted in error like what happened with Larry and Geoff earlier. As far as I'm concerned it stands, as I said I'm the commish and it's not my place to tell people what to do. I just thought it was a pretty terrible trade that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 More Dynasty Rankings (these are from Rotoworld): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sIB1EizqRVJkt9gNc6jjfh97KnLqwn38k0mokJY_-m0/edit?pli=1 I have no idea why some players are in bold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 Especially for Darth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del1812 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I'm firmly in the 'let people manage their own team and don't veto' camp but that's pretty terrible. It's atleast Blackmon, Luck or Griffin for a late 1st next year a nothing WR and a RB who's looked just better than average. Giving up that pick makes the 13 first even later as well. Very curious what happened here. 1) I think it's better than this: Flynn, Matt GBP QB; Lumpkin, Kregg TBB RB; Smith, Kevin DET RB; Arrington, Adrian NOS WR. 2) Greene's improved every season and with LT likely to go in the off-season he should receive a healthy bulk next year. Floyd's not much but I didn't want Wayne because of his age and the question mark over where he'll be next season. Floyd would have easily hit 1,000 yards last season had he remained fit, and Rivers and him seemed to strike up a rapport towards the end of the season. 3) Calling it a late first is a bit presumptuous considering he's given up two starters to (likely) get one. 4) History has taught us that the chances are 1 out of those 3 supposed dead certs is going to be a bust. There is nothing certain about the draft. 5) One player wasn't going to turn my team into a winner. Now I feel I've strengthened at two positions, and even if the team isn't all that better, I've still got a young side and two first and two second round draft picks the year after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del1812 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 And as I've stated before, people put too much stock in draft picks on this. That's my strategy, my form of "moneyball" and I'm sticking to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 That's fair enough and I respec your right to do it I just figured you could have got more for the pick. Re my offer, I was lowballing after Flynn went off, realistically I'd have gone as high offered a lot more had the right deal been there. I agree that whoever Scott picks could totally bust i just don't personally think that'll happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-Dizzle Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 You would've been better taking my CJ offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 You would've been better taking my CJ offer. What was it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Looks like a pretty good deal for the Thunder, as far as I can tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-Dizzle Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 What was it? My opening offer was Chris Johnson for his first and Spiller. Greene is alright, but this was supposed to be his season with LT playing far less. He was really poor in a good number of games, you just didn't see the step up that was expected to come. Not convinced he's going to be the star they were expecting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt.Speirs Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 From my point of view. Didn't want to give up Greene as I think he still has potential. Floyd is still a very good WR on a pass happy team, with Gates getting older and with Jacksons contract up( I think )could be the No1. I could take anyone in the draft and it could be bust or boom at any position. We've both taken a gamble. Ron, that trade, no sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 I realised it wasn't enough as soon as I sent it. Malcolm floyd Date of birth: September 8, 1981 Antonio Gates Date of birth: June 18, 1980 I have to agree with Dizzle here re Greene. I honesty wouldn't be surprised to see the Jets end up with Richardson. It's up to you now to make the pick, I think I know who you want there though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Ewing Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Especially for Darth Thats brilliant, I also like Faux John Madden quote on twitter, you should follow him if you have it, think it summed up my view on caldwell prettey well. "Jim Caldwell fired by Colts, officially ending the experiment of having a mannequin be a professional football coach." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt.Speirs Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Thats brilliant, I also like Faux John Madden quote on twitter, you should follow him if you have it, think it summed up my view on caldwell prettey well. "Jim Caldwell fired by Colts, officially ending the experiment of having a mannequin be a professional football coach." that caption is very good. As a colt fan Darth what is your tate on the WR corop next year. I think Wyane might squeeze out one maybe two years like Smith in Carolina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 I think Wayne is gone personally, I think he'll follow manning out. They'll resign Gar?on and draft someone to team with him and Collie, maybe a Kendall Wright (although he'll probably go too high for that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Ewing Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 that caption is very good. As a colt fan Darth what is your tate on the WR corop next year. I think Wyane might squeeze out one maybe two years like Smith in Carolina. Its hard to say with Wayne, think it all comes down what happens with Manning/Luck and if this clear out/new start extends to the old guard like Wayne and Saturday. Would like to see him stay as he is still are best WR but if manning goes then I think he will be gone aswell, will interesting to see how Austin collie and Pierre Garcon perform in the coming season with a regular QB aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del1812 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 My opening offer was Chris Johnson for his first and Spiller. Greene is alright, but this was supposed to be his season with LT playing far less. He was really poor in a good number of games, you just didn't see the step up that was expected to come. Not convinced he's going to be the star they were expecting. Spiller's stock is very much on the rise after his showing once Jackson went down, I'm praying one of them goes elsewhere to get maximum amount of points out of the two. And there are a lot of questions about CJ after last year's performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 I wouldn't trade Spiller, you're never going to get what he could potentially be worth (and unlike before it actually looks like he might live up to that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-Dizzle Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Spiller's stock is very much on the rise after his showing once Jackson went down, I'm praying one of them goes elsewhere to get maximum amount of points out of the two. And there are a lot of questions about CJ after last year's performance. Bills will maybe give Spiller more downs, but they'll stick with the two of them if they can. CJ still did better than Greene, even after that dreadful start. CJ was hesitant with his runs, but I put the blame largely on the blocking, something that did improve as the season went on, and I suspect the Titans will be addressing that for next season. Put it this way, I wouldn't swap Johnson for Greene, Floyd and two 2013 picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I know it's not saying much, but i've made worse trades than that If I had been Forrester, I would have preferred to pick up Luck/RGIII/Blackmon. But I wouldn't go as far as saying its a terrible or completely one sided trade. Dolphins are in the toughest division, so it's going to be tough to get that 2013 pick to be a late one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 FAO Bucs and Steelers - not rejecting your offer(s) but I want to wait till the draft and free agency have passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del1812 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Bills will maybe give Spiller more downs, but they'll stick with the two of them if they can. CJ still did better than Greene, even after that dreadful start. CJ was hesitant with his runs, but I put the blame largely on the blocking, something that did improve as the season went on, and I suspect the Titans will be addressing that for next season. Put it this way, I wouldn't swap Johnson for Greene, Floyd and two 2013 picks. Yes, but you were a winning team so it's easier for you to say. Even had I draft one of the top three and they went on to have a great rookie year, the chances are I still wouldn't make the playoffs. My team is weak at every position bar TE (and even there I don't have a strong back-up) and I need more pieces. It was the fact you wanted me to give you Spiller that was the big no-no in our deal. I'd rather have Johnson than Greene, but not CJ for all four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 I saw this on a dynasty rankings thread and thought it was interesting: Here's a good example of message board reality vs. actual reality: ? In the last 24 hours I've offered Fitzgerald to the Dez owner and then later to the Blackmon owner in one of my PPR dynasty leagues. These offers weren't quite straight up 1-for-1 swaps, but they were pretty close, with me asking for a little bit of value on the other end to help balance the deal. ? Both owners said no and neither expressed much interest in a straight swap. I'd be willing to bet that Fitzgerald would be ranked higher than Bryant or Blackmon on most dynasty rankings, but when push comes to shove people don't make these deals. ? Fitzgerald is 28 with 6 career 1000 yard seasons, including 4 of 1400+ yards. Bryant has never had a 1000+ yard season and Blackmon hasn't even played a down in the NFL. I understand the high valuation placed on those players. After all, I was trying to trade for them. But still, the premium placed on youth and potential is just insane. ? I agree. It's because nobody wants to be "that guy" who traded away 2007 Calvin Johnson or 2011 Cam Newton. ? They view their rookie assets as if they have already reached max potential, which they will not in most cases. ? I'll admit, I might be guilty of this. As someone who will very soon be picking Trent Richardson (barring some bizarre scenario), there's a veerrry short list of players I would trade him for straight up. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I saw this on a dynasty rankings thread and thought it was interesting: ? So he's basically saying, I'd rather have those players, but I can't understand why the other person would. Insane, indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 QB 1 Rodgers 2 Brees 3 Newton 4 Stafford 5 Brady 6 Rivers 7 Eli 8 Luck® 9 Vick 10 Ryan Big Ben and Romo just miss out. RB 1 McCoy 2 Rice 3 Foster 4 Forte 5 MJD 6 Richardson® 7 Matthews 8 Chris Johnson 9 Jamaal Charles 10 McFadden Lynch and Peterson on the fringes of top 10. WR 1 Megatron 2 Green 3 Fitzgerald 4 Julio Jones 5 Nicks 6 Jennings 7 White 8 Andre Johnson 9 Dez Bryant 10 Kenny Britt Welker, Bowe, Wallace, Marshall, Harvin,Maclin, Colston and Vincent Jackson all in the 10-20 range. Victor Cruz and Jordy Nelson are difficult ones to gauge, I guess 10-20 range too. TE 1a Gronkowski 1b Graham 3 Hernandez 4 Vernon Davis 5 Witten 6 Finley 7 Gates 8 Fred Davis 9 Celek 10 Pettigrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-Dizzle Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Yes, but you were a winning team so it's easier for you to say. Even had I draft one of the top three and they went on to have a great rookie year, the chances are I still wouldn't make the playoffs. My team is weak at every position bar TE (and even there I don't have a strong back-up) and I need more pieces. It was the fact you wanted me to give you Spiller that was the big no-no in our deal. I'd rather have Johnson than Greene, but not CJ for all four. Like I said, it was an opening offer. IMO, you would've got a better deal if you negotiated with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 RB 1 McCoy 2 Rice 3 Foster 4 Forte 5 MJD 6 Richardson® 7 Matthews 8 Chris Johnson 9 Jamaal Charles 10 McFadden Lynch and Peterson on the fringes of top 10. Only thing is I think MJD far too high, yes he's fantastic and proved everyone wrong this year but again the talk this summer will be about age, workload and his knees. The cliff is coming for him and when it does I imagine it'll come quickly, that's why he was a lot lower on mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big G Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Just under 4 hours to go till the tickets go on sale. I have two other people in the office already to use my promo code too. Figure more people trying on my behalf the better. Not confident though, Ticketmaster site will get swamped I bet. Thought these sort of sites are supposed to have bigger machines to handle the volume ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Interesting trade and its good we've had a few so far as well, hopefully that will continue. I've got picks 1:09, 1:12, 2:06 and 2:09 that I'd be willing to trade, looking for starting RB, WR and TE. Would even trade multiple picks for them. So if anyone wants to make any offers. That Jim Caldwell picture collection was genius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted January 19, 2012 Author Share Posted January 19, 2012 Interesting trade and its good we've had a few so far as well, hopefully that will continue. I've got picks 1:09, 1:12, 2:06 and 2:09 that I'd be willing to trade, looking for starting RB, WR and TE. Would even trade multiple picks for them. So if anyone wants to make any offers. That Jim Caldwell picture collection was genius How close was my trade offer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 How close was my trade offer? The stumbling block was that I'm still unsure about whether to keep the player you wanted as he could be a really good backup. But mainly giving away a pick for a player who might not be on an NFL team next season. I might think about sending you one of my picks for one of your players, plus the one you wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted January 19, 2012 Author Share Posted January 19, 2012 The stumbling block was that I'm still unsure about whether to keep the player you wanted as he could be a really good backup. But mainly giving away a pick for a player who might not be on an NFL team next season. I might think about sending you one of my picks for one of your players, plus the one you wanted. Which player? I'm quite happy with my core squad. What if it was the 3rd instead of 2nd? I'm more than happy to trade so send through some offers, I think you know the guys on your team I like (I've sent a trade request with all of them on it just to be clear) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Which player? I'm quite happy with my core squad. What if it was the 3rd instead of 2nd? I'm more than happy to trade so send through some offers, I think you know the guys on your team I like (I've sent a trade request with all of them on it just to be clear) 3rd would probably be more likely than the 2nd. Will have a think about what offers I can send you and yeah I know the players that you would like. Would imagine any deals would be unlikely as I know you will want quite a bit for the ones I might go for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Rumour on Twitter that Peyton Manning is going to retire.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Ewing Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Rumour on Twitter that Peyton Manning is going to retire.... Seen that at aswell, seems it was started by Rob Lowe and if it was true I think more people would have broke the story by now. heres a link to what he said My link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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