audrey65 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 I concur. He might not have been the most gifted footballer, but he gave nigh-on 10 years of service and tried 100% every match. Hmmm.... I have given Hearts more than 10 years and, if selected (becoming a possibility as the days pass) I would certainly "give" 100% to the HMFC cause (as would the non hobo's on this board) but it still wouldn't make me any good. Never a fan of RN either but it shows how bad we are when I concede that he would improve this lot although I am quite happy with our young full backs as I think they are very promising. On the list compiled I would point out that Pinalla was an absolute star in Championship Manager 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Aye whatever Shaun - take a look at the players in the OP again and tell me if, Obua apart, there is a combined number of appearances in total to even complete more than a couple of games if you cobbled them into a starting eleven(s) nevermind a full SPL season...... when we finished 8th Neilson played every week and was one of the worst performers week after week, or did i just imagine those twice weekly 'Neilson' threads that hundreds posted on, possibly only Goncalves was worse that season of the players who played every week .... but hey if it's all the fault of the guys who rarely/never played then full steam ahead. When we finished 8th, Charlie, the entire club was being mismanaged from top to bottom. Such was the total vacuum of leadership, hardly anyone played well or consistently. I remember having a debate with someone on here in Summer 2008 when I insisted that no player could possibly be judged given the shambles we'd been in, and everyone deserved a clean slate. Sure enough, under a manager (which you spent ages denying we even needed), a whole host of players improved. Among them, Robbie - who has now played 13 times this season for a team sitting 3rd in the Championship. So to recap: according to you, someone who's fitted in seamlessly to a club chasing promotion to the Premier League was one of the worst 30 individuals of the last five years and wasn't a "proper footballer" (try telling that to Nigel Pearson and seeing his reaction); meanwhile, you have "no meaningful opinion" on Roman Romanov, and in his case, cannot bring yourself to say anything remotely like the same stuff you've spouted about all manner of people who haven't deserved it. Charlie, I can only draw one possible conclusion. You're at it, mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jambomickey Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 the golden rod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marooned In Oz Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 When we finished 8th, Charlie, the entire club was being mismanaged from top to bottom. Such was the total vacuum of leadership, hardly anyone played well or consistently. I remember having a debate with someone on here in Summer 2008 when I insisted that no player could possibly be judged given the shambles we'd been in, and everyone deserved a clean slate. Sure enough, under a manager (which you spent ages denying we even needed), a whole host of players improved. Among them, Robbie - who has now played 13 times this season for a team sitting 3rd in the Championship. So to recap: according to you, someone who's fitted in seamlessly to a club chasing promotion to the Premier League was one of the worst 30 individuals of the last five years and wasn't a "proper footballer" (try telling that to Nigel Pearson and seeing his reaction); meanwhile, you have "no meaningful opinion" on Roman Romanov, and in his case, cannot bring yourself to say anything remotely like the same stuff you've spouted about all manner of people who haven't deserved it. Charlie, I can only draw one possible conclusion. You're at it, mate. Great post. He's either at it, or he's lost his mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Marsh Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Believe it or not but one of these players on the list is now a full international and will be playing at the World Cup next year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 Believe it or not but one of these players on the list is now a full international and will be playing at the World Cup next year! Who?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Marsh Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Petras! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 Petras! TBF he came with a good pedigree and was a regular international back then. Does he still get his game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Marsh Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 TBF he came with a good pedigree and was a regular international back then. Does he still get his game? I noticed that he started Slovakia's final group match to qualify for the World Cup. I am guessing that on that basis - he will be in their squad for next year. He currently plays with Cesena in Italy. They are doing quite well and he gets his game for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy.C Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Players: Kurskis - Murder Costa - Pretty bad, but hardly given a great deal of time Petras - Is he not doing ok for himself now (international too?) Straceny - See above Barasa - Was pretty bad, but put in one or two good perfomances Ivaskevicius - Pretty bad, agreed Ksanavicius - Same as above Pilibaitis - Not good Basso - Had a couple of great games, but always looked dodgy Obua - Clearly Csabas fault, but so lacklustre it hurts Klimek - Never did anything, but didn't get much of a look in Beniusis - As above Makela - Seems to score anywhere but here...was very poor Beslija - Just an odd signing from start to finish M'Bohli - Didn't play, no idea Pinilla - Such expectations...such a waster Screpis - I thought he generally did OK, but wasn't liked Witteween - Turning out to be a worse version of Makela Bouzid - Slow as a week in jail, and horrible positioning Tullberg - Kind of Makela and Witteveen all in one Managers/Sporting Directors/Hangers on Koslovski Malofeev Pedro Lopez Ivanauskas Cervenkov Frail Rix Duffy Roman Romanov Korobochka Well worth the debt being racked up imo. Thats my take on the players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 I noticed that he started Slovakia's final group match to qualify for the World Cup. I am guessing that on that basis - he will be in their squad for next year. He currently plays with Cesena in Italy. They are doing quite well and he gets his game for them. Fair play, will be interesting to see if he gets a game in the WC. It was never going to work out for him at Hearts after the circumstances surrounding his debut. I'll never forget the moment Rixxy caved in to the crowd chanting for Robbie to come on!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boabyarsebiscuit Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Players: Kurskis Costa Petras Straceny Barasa Ivaskevicius Ksanavicius Pilibaitis Basso Obua Klimek Beniusis Makela Beslija M'Bohli Pinilla Screpis Witteween Bouzid Tullberg Managers/Sporting Directors/Hangers on Koslovski Malofeev Pedro Lopez Ivanauskas Cervenkov Frail Rix Duffy Roman Romanov Korobochka Well worth the debt being racked up imo. Players in bold would have done a job for us given a chance, in my opinion. In fact Ludo Straceny (who I didn't highlight) would probably even now be our best attacker if he was here. Well, unless Csaba had actually taken Joao Moreira in August, he would probably have been our best attacker this season. Pity Csaba's such a *********. As is Romanov, before anyone accuses me of a "hate crime" (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 When we finished 8th, Charlie, the entire club was being mismanaged from top to bottom. Such was the total vacuum of leadership, hardly anyone played well or consistently. I remember having a debate with someone on here in Summer 2008 when I insisted that no player could possibly be judged given the shambles we'd been in, and everyone deserved a clean slate. Sure enough, under a manager (which you spent ages denying we even needed), a whole host of players improved. Among them, Robbie - who has now played 13 times this season for a team sitting 3rd in the Championship. So to recap: according to you, someone who's fitted in seamlessly to a club chasing promotion to the Premier League was one of the worst 30 individuals of the last five years and wasn't a "proper footballer" (try telling that to Nigel Pearson and seeing his reaction); meanwhile, you have "no meaningful opinion" on Roman Romanov, and in his case, cannot bring yourself to say anything remotely like the same stuff you've spouted about all manner of people who haven't deserved it. Charlie, I can only draw one possible conclusion. You're at it, mate. Imagine if Gordon Brown decides that, while he actually likes the power that comes with being Prime Minister, he doesn't like all the flak that comes with it. He's actually a bit of a pussy and doesn't deal too well with criticism at all. So he decides he's going to let his wee boy live in No.10 as PM instead. The wee boy's, well, just a wee boy, so he doesn't have much of a clue. So GB needs to install somebody else to make some of the decisions. He turns to Katie Price - she will be in charge of the day-to-day running of No.10 and the country. Inside No.10 is the copy boy - he's been there for ten years, everybody knows he's a bit crap and they could get a better copy boy very easily, but he's incredibly loyal and his presence, in an unexplainable way, kind of holds the place together. Charlie would blame the copy boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Watching Robbie Neilson play was often like watching endless repeats of a bad tv show week after week - other tv programmes might have been worse but at least they weren't shown as frequently .... thankfully that programme isn't being shown anymore in this region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary18 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Players: Kurskis 3 Games Was Pretty Bad In All FAIR Costa 1 Game Not Given A Chance UNFAIR Petras 5 Games Not Really Given Much Of A Chance After The Tannadice Debacle UNFAIR Straceny ? As Petras UNFAIR Barasa 14 Games Ok At Times Seen Better FAIR Ivaskevicius 15 Games P!sh FAIR Ksanavicius 31 Games P!sh FAIR Pilibaitis 5 Games P!sh FAIR Basso 7 Games Aside From One Or Two Hairy Moments Wasn't The Worst I've Seen UNFAIR Obua 37 Games SHEET! FAIR Klimek 2 Games No Time UNFAIR Beniusis 8 Games Confidence Extremely Low After Debut, Never Recovered UNFAIR Makela 20 Games Garbage FAIR Beslija 9 Games Made Of Glass FAIR M'Bohli 0 Games EXTREMELY UNFAIR How Can Somebody Judge A Player Thats Never Played Pinilla 5 Games Bit Of A Wage Thief FAIR Screpis 5 Games No Time UNFAIR Witteween 8 Games P!sh FAIR Bouzid 10 Games Not Been Bad A Bit Shaky UNFAIR Tullberg 7 Games Always Injured UNFAIR My Opinion, Some Players Didn't Play Well For Their Own Reasons Others Just Had No Ability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth to Paisley Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 I saw Martin Petras play sweeper for Lecce in Serie B after he left us - stood out like a sore thumb as someone who had played at a much higher level....... and I don't mean the SPL!! Don't think we saw him anywhere near his best - one of the victims of the madness in that January Pretty classy actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 I saw Martin Petras play sweeper for Lecce in Serie B after he left us - stood out like a sore thumb as someone who had played at a much higher level....... and I don't mean the SPL!!Don't think we saw him anywhere near his best - one of the victims of the madness in that January Pretty classy actually Think he played in front of the back four at Livvy one time and was excellent. I've heard his name a few times since he left and he was definitely one we let slip away far too easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dik Mar Van Nostrilboy Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 copil and kostadinov? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Watching Robbie Neilson play was often like watching endless repeats of a bad tv show week after week - other tv programmes might have been worse but at least they weren't shown as frequently .... thankfully that programme isn't being shown anymore in this region. Yes. Thankfully, we're 9th in the league, and aren't being subjected to the programme in which we finished 3rd any more... Neilson came back into the team right at the start of our tide-turning run of five straight wins around this time last year. It's very obvious he had more than something to do with it. Now, we really have no leaders on the park at all. Another poster, with whom I completely disagree on Craig Levein and is a bit of a whizz with finances, was Neilson's biggest fan on here, and never in the least bit convinced by Csaba Laszlo. On both fronts, he's being completely vindicated this season. You, on the other hand, are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Yes. Thankfully, we're 9th in the league, and aren't being subjected to the programme in which we finished 3rd any more... Neilson came back into the team right at the start of our tide-turning run of five straight wins around this time last year. It's very obvious he had more than something to do with it. Now, we really have no leaders on the park at all. Another poster, with whom I completely disagree on Craig Levein and is a bit of a whizz with finances, was Neilson's biggest fan on here, and never in the least bit convinced by Csaba Laszlo. On both fronts, he's being completely vindicated this season. You, on the other hand, are not. Last season was probably 1 of Neilson's 2 better seasons in the whole time he was here but that still didn't prevent him having a few 'special' performances and in other seasons he was downright crap - that was why there as so many posts/threads about him on an almost weekly basis - you are correct in that we miss his experience but we do not miss him and the 2 Thomson's are better players at 18 & 21 than he ever was imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 I think that Bouzid will come good. I think that Neilson was an awful player but does not fit in with this thread. What I find amusing is that following the long throw, "the" tackle (singular) and his Scottishness are now not his only assets, he is now a "character". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 I think that Bouzid will come good. I think that Neilson was an awful player but does not fit in with this thread. What I find amusing is that following the long throw, "the" tackle (singular) and his Scottishness are now not his only assets, he is now a "character". But that's only because the current players at the club are so anonymous. I know you've written before that you don't need to "identify" with any Hearts player; but many, many fans feel differently. Neilson was pretty much our best bet in that regard when he was here - but besides, I didn't identify with him because he was a character. I identified with him because he's one of life's over-achievers. And I think over-achievement should be celebrated, not scorned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 But that's only because the current players at the club are so anonymous. I know you've written before that you don't need to "identify" with any Hearts player; but many, many fans feel differently. Neilson was pretty much our best bet in that regard when he was here - but besides, I didn't identify with him because he was a character. I identified him because he's one of life's over-achievers. And I think over-achievement should be celebrated, not scorned. Isn't it a sad indictment though? I would rather have an extremely talented Wladislaw Wzojeich in our team that had never heard of Hearts or "seen us in marone" than a player who is talentless but speaks with a similar accent to me. Not the same you notice, he is a weegie, but similar. Football is all about talent Shaun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Isn't it a sad indictment though? I would rather have an extremely talented Wladislaw Wzojeich in our team that had never heard of Hearts or "seen us in marone" than a player who is talentless but speaks with a similar accent to me. Not the same you notice, he is a weegie, but similar. Football is all about talent Shaun. Not true. Football is all about talent and application. Hard work will always beat skill if skill doesn't work hard. So we have Larry Kingston, a talented waster; and we had Robbie Neilson, an extremely hard working player with very limited ability. Neilson's now at a club chasing promotion to the Premier League. And Kingston is sitting on his arse, wasting his talent. Not much doubt which personality type almost any manager would rather have in their team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bill Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Players: Kurskis Costa Petras Straceny Barasa Ivaskevicius Ksanavicius Pilibaitis Basso Obua Klimek Beniusis Makela Beslija M'Bohli Pinilla Screpis Witteween Bouzid Tullberg Managers/Sporting Directors/Hangers on Koslovski Malofeev Pedro Lopez Ivanauskas Cervenkov Frail Rix Duffy Roman Romanov Korobochka Well worth the debt being racked up imo. I haven't read the thread (apart from this) but from your list, I would say that Petras was a quality player who didn't get a chance, and watching his stunning performance over Wales in a 5-1 win at the Millenium Stadium made me think we missed out on a great player (even though we had just signed him). To me, he had everything in hs locker. Tiago Costa too played maybe one game, and looked a fine player when we beat ICT on Aug 26th 2006 (as of course, did Pinilla). I don't know what happened next. Fernando Screpis? Could've been a Gorgie Superstar if Romanov didn't act like a knob. This guy could've been amazing. He didn't get a game. A bad, bad list. But not all bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Isn't it a sad indictment though? I would rather have an extremely talented Wladislaw Wzojeich in our team that had never heard of Hearts or "seen us in marone" than a player who is talentless but speaks with a similar accent to me. Not the same you notice, he is a weegie, but similar. Football is all about talent Shaun. Neilson was talented at defending - it was just going forward that he was dreadful. How many goals have we lost because Thomson is not good enough defensively and is allowing players to ghost in behind him? One thing Robbie did well was cover that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Last season was probably 1 of Neilson's 2 better seasons in the whole time he was here but that still didn't prevent him having a few 'special' performances and in other seasons he was downright crap - that was why there as so many posts/threads about him on an almost weekly basis - you are correct in that we miss his experience but we do not miss him and the 2 Thomson's are better players at 18 & 21 than he ever was imo. Not defensively they aren't and the first role of a defender is to defend. And, yes, I know Robbie got torn apart by that Athens winger but on a week to week basis in the SPL he was solid. The 2 Thomson's are both more skilful but, like Lee Wallace has tried to do, they will have to learn the art of defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted November 26, 2009 Author Share Posted November 26, 2009 I haven't read the thread (apart from this) but from your list, I would say that Petras was a quality player who didn't get a chance, and watching his stunning performance over Wales in a 5-1 win at the Millenium Stadium made me think we missed out on a great player (even though we had just signed him). To me, he had everything in hs locker. Tiago Costa too played maybe one game, and looked a fine player when we beat ICT on Aug 26th 2006 (as of course, did Pinilla). I don't know what happened next. Fernando Screpis? Could've been a Gorgie Superstar if Romanov didn't act like a knob. This guy could've been amazing. He didn't get a game. A bad, bad list. But not all bad. TBH the list wasn't just about quality of player it was just about how their time here went. I don't think you can deny Costa's time here was pointless, Petras had a disaster due to him being thrown to the lions at Tannadice and Screpis - well the whole situation with him left a bad taste in the mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Not true. Football is all about talent and application. Hard work will always beat skill if skill doesn't work hard. So we have Larry Kingston, a talented waster; and we had Robbie Neilson, an extremely hard working player with very limited ability. Neilson's now at a club chasing promotion to the Premier League. And Kingston is sitting on his arse, wasting his talent. Not much doubt which personality type almost any manager would rather have in their team. Not wishing to sound like a bad circus act, but no, what you say above is "not true". Application is good, application helps but football is not about application as if that were the case I would have played professional football as I would have given anything to play. However, I was rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winston churchill Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 the likes of suso number 15 big bad bouzid the balogh should pay to watch a team like hearts. never mind be paid by hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Verminator Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Players: Kurskis Costa Petras Straceny Barasa Ivaskevicius Ksanavicius Pilibaitis Basso Obua Klimek Beniusis Makela Beslija M'Bohli Pinilla Screpis Witteween Bouzid Tullberg Managers/Sporting Directors/Hangers on Koslovski Malofeev Pedro Lopez Ivanauskas Cervenkov Frail Rix Duffy Roman Romanov Korobochka Well worth the debt being racked up imo. Some cracking Scrabble scores in there tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bill Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 TBH the list wasn't just about quality of player it was just about how their time here went. I don't think you can deny Costa's time here was pointless, Petras had a disaster due to him being thrown to the lions at Tannadice and Screpis - well the whole situation with him left a bad taste in the mouth. Agree. Their time was a waste, as was their talents. The Screpis thing was a real shame. What a player he looked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelly Terraces Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Here's 2 more pieces of junk: Miko Chesny. Both pish. Glad they've gone. Sad they were ever here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Agree. Their time was a waste, as was their talents. The Screpis thing was a real shame. What a player he looked. A bit of an exaggeration there BB. Screpis didn't really play enough for anyone to form a solid opinion, but from what I saw he looked average at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Here's 2 more pieces of junk: Miko Chesny. Both pish. Glad they've gone. Sad they were ever here. And yet both would probably improve our team right now me >>>>> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Marius kizys anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andfultons baggio Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Arch villain Pedro Lopez? (droopy tache optional!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berrasbraw Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 And yet both would probably improve our team right now me >>>>> Agreed:2thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted November 27, 2009 Author Share Posted November 27, 2009 Marius kizys anyone? His performance at Parkhead the day the pope died gets him off the list - what a game he had that day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troonjambo Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 I find your attempt to bracket Neilson with some of the fly by night charlatans in the original list absolutely disgusting. Again that is just my opinion. i agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Players: Kurskis - a total flop, have to agree there Costa - was MOTM then never played again.. Petras - bit unfair having him on this he's a good player that played a part that year Straceny - can't argue Barasa - hard as nails, the sort of player we could do with now IMO Ivaskevicius - dire Ksanavicius - dire Pilibaitis - a wasted signing Basso - dodgy. Not sure he's any worse than what we've got now though Obua - harsh Klimek - the less said the better Beniusis - same as above Makela - what a waste of money Beslija - same as above M'Bohli - bit harsh. Did he even play? Pinilla - can't argue for what was expected of him he has to be here Screpis - ridiculous. He looked like being a good signing then we released him Witteween - no need for this. We've just signed him and he's doing his best Bouzid - no chance. We've only just signed him and he's still finding his feet Tullberg - he only played a few games, certainly didn't look bad enough to merit a place on your list though Managers/Sporting Directors/Hangers on Koslovski Malofeev Pedro Lopez Ivanauskas Cervenkov Frail Rix Duffy Roman Romanov Korobochka Well worth the debt being racked up imo. that's my take on the list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Marius kizys anyone? Out of the 3 liths that came over he was the one Robbo wanted to keep,but hey ho someone got their own way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Out of the 3 liths that came over he was the one Robbo wanted to keep,but hey ho someone got their own way. It was Burley that sent Kizys away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Munro Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Out of the 3 liths that came over he was the one Robbo wanted to keep,but hey ho someone got their own way. Who were the 1st three. It Was Kizys, Miko and A.N.Other was it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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