Bindy Badgy Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 The lie detector bullshit always bugged me. The results aren't usable in court as they aren't considered to be reliable yet he represents the results as if they're incontrovertible evidence that someone is lying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Lie detectors are fake science. They have never worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 46 minutes ago, Stokesy said: The lie detector bullshit always bugged me. The results aren't usable in court as they aren't considered to be reliable yet he represents the results as if they're incontrovertible evidence that someone is lying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 On 15/07/2009 at 11:58, Cheile said: FFS !!! Why would anybody with more than one brain cell watch such utter moron fodder ? Agree, anytime that show has ever appeared on my television, I instantly change the channel, no matter what is on the others. I refuse to give a show that almost glamorises being a ####### waster a viewing figure. Bet they love taking time out their sponging lifestyle to become famous to all the rest of the spongers around the country who sit at home doing nothing all day, but watch shite like this...and to actually travel to sit and watch it live Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 It's amazing that the UK took a TV format from the US (Jerry Springer) and somehow managed to make it significantly more scummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, I P Knightley said: It's amazing that the UK took a TV format from the US (Jerry Springer) and somehow managed to make it significantly more scummy. And then sold it back to the States, no less! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jeremy_Kyle_Show_(U.S._TV_series) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambothump Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 If you compare the earliest episodes, where they tried to reason help and debate peoples problems. To later, not much later, where Jeremy Kyle becomes a shouting, bullying moron, as for Graham, now there was a waste of a wank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Crazy that it has been axed. Not the right call at all. Glad I'll never have to see it on TV again though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Thank God it finished one of the most distasteful programmes ever aired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: Crazy that it has been axed. Not the right call at all. Glad I'll never have to see it on TV again though. A man killed himself Can't think of a better reason to shut it down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Read the article on the BBC website by someone who was a runner on it. It shows the disgusting behaviours from the production team to cause controversy and aggravation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, Cade said: A man killed himself Can't think of a better reason to shut it down So every show that results in a suicide of a participant should end regardless of any consideration for additional factors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: So every show that results in a suicide of a participant should end regardless of any consideration for additional factors? We don't know the full story at the moment but, from what has been released it looks like his relationship broke down after he failed a lie detector test on the show. As stated earlier in the thread lie detectors are not reliable but, Kyle represents the results as if they are. This type of behaviour shouldn't have occurred at all and it absolutely should stop if someone has killed themselves as a result of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Reality TV shows have a duty of care toward participants. This has clearly broken down with Jezza Kyle and Love Island is also under fire for abandoning cast members (another suicide) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Cade said: Cancelled forever after a guest killed himself the day after failing a lie detector test on the show. It was always going to take something like this to happen before this human zoo shite was taken off air And that for me is the real lesson. I only saw the show once when trapped in an airline departure lounge with the show blaring out at full volume. Loosely based on the Jerry Springer show in the States but without the redeeming feature of the traces of humanity and humour Springer demonstrated, I found it difficult to watch or listen to without feeling sick and angry that it was allowed to be broadcast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bajthejambo Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Did Jeremy Kyle not marry his kids former nanny? That's an episode in itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: So every show that results in a suicide of a participant should end regardless of any consideration for additional factors? No one has said that have they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Stokesy said: We don't know the full story at the moment but, from what has been released it looks like his relationship broke down after he failed a lie detector test on the show. As stated earlier in the thread lie detectors are not reliable but, Kyle represents the results as if they are. This type of behaviour shouldn't have occurred at all and it absolutely should stop if someone has killed themselves as a result of it. The guests will be well informed that lie detector tests are not 100% accurate before agreeing to take part in one. The show puts a disclaimer up before every result saying that they are not 100% reliable. Not sure what else they are meant to do. I've not seen the clip from this particular guys situation so can't say whether or not it was represented as fact or not. Point stands that shows shouldn't just be taken off air because somebody commits suicide. Chances are there will be a whole load of outside factors which led to this tragedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Unfortunately through work I end up seeing quite a lot of this show in the background. From what I've seen they provide a tonne of further counselling and support for participants which is not aired on TV. He's also helped a lot of families in very shitty circumstances. People who don't watch it and just associate it with his arrogant nature will be happy to jump on this bandwagon against it though. No doubt it is car crash tele which I'm happy not to have to watch again but it seems a knee jerk reaction that sets an interesting precedent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 36 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said: Thank God it finished one of the most distasteful programmes ever aired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: The guests will be well informed that lie detector tests are not 100% accurate before agreeing to take part in one. The show puts a disclaimer up before every result saying that they are not 100% reliable. Not sure what else they are meant to do. I've not seen the clip from this particular guys situation so can't say whether or not it was represented as fact or not. Point stands that shows shouldn't just be taken off air because somebody commits suicide. Chances are there will be a whole load of outside factors which led to this tragedy. Shouldn't shows have some responsibility to people who are obviously highly vulnerable beyond simply warnings and disclaimers? I think a lot of participants in "reality TV" programmes need psychiatric help not national publicity on an entertainment show. I thought the same when watching Louis Theroux's recent show (sorry documentary) which intruded on the lives of women suffering severe post-natal depression, brought on by underlying psychological problems, of which (in layman's terms) attention seeking seemed to be a symptom. Theroux pitched in with his own amateur psychoanalysis while the women were consulting their doctors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: The guests will be well informed that lie detector tests are not 100% accurate before agreeing to take part in one. The show puts a disclaimer up before every result saying that they are not 100% reliable. Not sure what else they are meant to do. I've not seen the clip from this particular guys situation so can't say whether or not it was represented as fact or not. Point stands that shows shouldn't just be taken off air because somebody commits suicide. Chances are there will be a whole load of outside factors which led to this tragedy. They shouldn't have used lie detectors at all. Love Island, which is also shown on ITV, is going ahead despite two former contestants committing suicide so it isn't a case of cancelling every show featuring someone that has killed themselves. It looks like there is a more direct link between the suicide and the appearance on the show With Jeremy Kyle than there is with Love Island. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: Shouldn't shows have some responsibility to people who are obviously highly vulnerable beyond simply warnings and disclaimers? I think a lot of participants in "reality TV" programmes need psychiatric help not national publicity on an entertainment show. I thought the same when watching Louis Theroux's recent show (sorry documentary) which intruded on the lives of women suffering severe post-natal depression, brought on by underlying psychological problems, of which (in layman's terms) attention seeking seemed to be a symptom. Theroux pitched in with his own amateur psychoanalysis while the women were consulting their doctors. As I pointed out they provide a lot of access to professional counselling after being part of the show. Having watched 1 episode it's understandable that you wouldn't know this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Stokesy said: They shouldn't have used lie detectors at all. Love Island, which is also shown on ITV, is going ahead despite two former contestants committing suicide so it isn't a case of cancelling every show featuring someone that has killed themselves. It looks like there is a more direct link between the suicide and the appearance on the show With Jeremy Kyle than there is with Love Island. We can pretty much guarantee there will be no lie detector tests in this years show. There is a big push for LI to be cancelled as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: As I pointed out they provide a lot of access to professional counselling after being part of the show. Having watched 1 episode it's understandable that you wouldn't know this. Fair enough. If you have watched more than one episode I understand why you might defend it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Bit rich of the Government to come out saying they are concerned about the events when their own policies put hundreds on the verge or beyond suicide everyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Салатные палочки Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Jambothump said: If you compare the earliest episodes, where they tried to reason help and debate peoples problems. To later, not much later, where Jeremy Kyle becomes a shouting, bullying moron, as for Graham, now there was a waste of a wank. That Graham will be shiting himself at the thought of getting a proper job. A guy Jeremy Kyle called "the genius" comes on a tells an alcoholic they have an alcohol problem. Utter baird of a guy. Edited May 16, 2019 by Salad Fingers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Never watched an episode. However I don't for one minute believe the show had any part to do with the man that committed suicide. It makes for good headlines in the tabloids. Sadly people commit suicide everyday. We average one a day on the UkRail network. Let's stop trains. They've killed far more persons than any tv show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 2 hours ago, milky_26 said: Read the article on the BBC website by someone who was a runner on it. It shows the disgusting behaviours from the production team to cause controversy and aggravation this is the article i was on about, have a read https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-48266570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, John Findlay said: Never watched an episode. However I don't for one minute believe the show had any part to do with the man that committed suicide. It makes for good headlines in the tabloids. Sadly people commit suicide everyday. We average one a day on the UkRail network. Let's stop trains. They've killed far more persons than any tv show. I don't think that is a great analogy TBH. What triggers suicide is separate from the means adopted to do it. Anyway count yourself luck you never watched an episode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Just now, Francis Albert said: I don't think that is a great analogy TBH. What triggers suicide is separate from the means adopted to do it. Anyway count yourself luck you never watched an episode. Do you think the appearance of the show was the sole reason this guy decided to take his own life? If it wasn't isn't this whole thing a bit knee jerk? As I've said before I don't really care for The JKS but this move just sets a very bizarre precedent for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: I don't think that is a great analogy TBH. What triggers suicide is separate from the means adopted to do it. Anyway count yourself luck you never watched an episode. No trains people can't jump in front of them then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 38 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: Do you think the appearance of the show was the sole reason this guy decided to take his own life? If it wasn't isn't this whole thing a bit knee jerk? As I've said before I don't really care for The JKS but this move just sets a very bizarre precedent for the future. I had a slight urge to do myself in when watching the show But no at most it was just the trigger and you can't ban things for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Stokesy said: The lie detector bullshit always bugged me. The results aren't usable in court as they aren't considered to be reliable yet he represents the results as if they're incontrovertible evidence that someone is lying. This. Kyle was so ****ing thick that he even admits that it’s only 95% accurate, and despite using it in over 100 episodes still calls everyone who fails it a liar. Folk will have to pay for DNA tests now, what a national tragedy ? Edited May 16, 2019 by Gashauskis9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Sad as it was this man taking his own life, and the sadness all his family and relatives are feeling, society as a whole is RIGGED to keep the well off at the top. While not intending to score a political point , sometimes, not always , tragedies like this open up much larger concerns, like the ever growing gulf of the haves and have nots and the way TV and the media serve that reality up to the masses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 1 minute ago, maroonlegions said: Sad as it was this man taking his own life, and the sadness all his family and relatives are feeling, society as a whole is RIGGED to keep the well off at the top. While not intending to score a political point , sometimes, not always , tragedies like this open up much larger concerns, like the ever growing gulf of the haves and have nots and the way TV and the media serve that reality up to the masses. Of course you aren't intending to make a political point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: Of course you aren't intending to make a political point! Nope , the term "intending" and its meaning can be a precarious at times, but regarding that meme, and its content, one would be hard pushed not to. Sometimes politics ,if not always, invades all aspects of life, like money. Edited May 16, 2019 by maroonlegions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 26 minutes ago, maroonlegions said: Nope , the term "intending" and its meaning can be a precarious at times, but regarding that meme, and its content, one would be hard pushed not to. Sometimes politics ,if not always, invades all aspects of life, like money. I guess no one commits suicide under Labour governments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
132goals1958 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 5 hours ago, Francis Albert said: And that for me is the real lesson. I only saw the show once when trapped in an airline departure lounge with the show blaring out at full volume. Loosely based on the Jerry Springer show in the States but without the redeeming feature of the traces of humanity and humour Springer demonstrated, I found it difficult to watch or listen to without feeling sick and angry that it was allowed to be broadcast. My feelings also and can say the brief sequences when I was on the wrong channel would not have covered an episode. A sad indictment that the repulsive character who presented the show invaded households at day time especially during school holidays. The grotesque show should have been on at midnight if at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 If you’ve never watched Jezza and thoroughly enjoyed it you’re a liar. Hilarious stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 23 hours ago, John Findlay said: Never watched an episode. However I don't for one minute believe the show had any part to do with the man that committed suicide. It makes for good headlines in the tabloids. Sadly people commit suicide everyday. We average one a day on the UkRail network. Let's stop trains. They've killed far more persons than any tv show. Drinking on an empty head. Utter pish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Just now, ri Alban said: Drinking on an empty head. Utter pish! You should know. You spout more pish than anyone else on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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