Jambo in Bathgate Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 I don't want to sound ungrateful but, having just watched the highlights on the BBC website. On two occassions yesterday we could have scored had Velika squared the ball I know one was to Elliot but I could have scored if he squared it to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Clum would have missed. He was on his hat-trick, he'd earned the right to be greedy there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 While it would have been nice if Elliot had grabbed a goal to get it up the boo boys Tobias is right- on a hattrick velicka had every right to have a go. I cant think of the 2nd time you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plastic_bas Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Ive only watched hearts regularly for about 10 years and during that time ive always found hearts sides to be a little shot shy. They would never try an early unexpected shot from range or anything over ambitious. I actually think all the lithuanians have made a big difference to hearts in that way as they dont mind having a pop even if its unlikely to go in. Velicka's goal against falkirk away last season is my favourite example of this as he took the goalie completely by surprise by hitting it early from range. I for one am glad velicka is greedy and always looking to score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csaba's Broon Shoes Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Good photos on London Hearts clearly show this , however it is more important that he expresses his strikers instinct ( being greedy ) than taking the option of squaring the ball to Elliot and Driver Maybe he has to work on his awareness though ? Maybe not . I can't argue as he has been our best goalscorer this season . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogi fae Gorgie Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 To be a good one you have to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KisLas Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Ive only watched hearts regularly for about 10 years and during that time ive always found hearts sides to be a little shot shy. They would never try an early unexpected shot from range or anything over ambitious. I actually think all the lithuanians have made a big difference to hearts in that way as they dont mind having a pop even if its unlikely to go in. Velicka's goal against falkirk away last season is my favourite example of this as he took the goalie completely by surprise by hitting it early from range. I for one am glad velicka is greedy and always looking to score. Aye. Completely agree. Sometimes a player needs to be greedy if others are not prepared to have a pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Aye. Completely agree. Sometimes a player needs to be greedy if others are not prepared to have a pop. Shoots on sight, no complaints here:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flux Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Clum would have missed. He was on his hat-trick, he'd earned the right to be greedy there. Aye Gretna looked like they would only score from a fluke, so a hatrick was best plan. Byt need to be a bit more passing in tighter games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Is Velicka too greedy? No striker can ever be too greedy, in my opinion. That is particularly important when you only have one competent striker in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboLad Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 I don't want to sound ungrateful but, having just watched the highlights on the BBC website. On two occassions yesterday we could have scored had Velika squared the ball I know one was to Elliot but I could have scored if he squared it to me. Are you sure you are a Hearts fan or even a football supporter ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 I don't want to sound ungrateful but, having just watched the highlights on the BBC website. On two occassions yesterday we could have scored had Velika squared the ball I know one was to Elliot but I could have scored if he squared it to me. We were talking about this on the train. The defender was blocking any pass to CE And here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelly Terraces Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 If my centre forward's in the box, I want him to shoot, and not fackin well pass it off to someone else. Espesh if that someone else is Clum Elliott. Striking is the one time when greed most certainly is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo in Bathgate Posted February 11, 2008 Author Share Posted February 11, 2008 We were talking about this on the train. The defender was blocking any pass to CE And here Thanks. I sit in the old stand. You had a clearer view than I did. The other incident was his first chance in the 1st minute that hit the side netting. Driver and Shammy were running in on goal. My view is it would have been good to score more two goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Thanks. I sit in the old stand. You had a clearer view than I did. The other incident was his first chance in the 1st minute that hit the side netting. Driver and Shammy were running in on goal. My view is it would have been good to score more two goals. It was only when I looked at the photos that I could 'see' the defender blocking the pass. It happens so quickly . You can see that first chance here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Nonsense Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 If a strikers on a hat trick at that time in the game, with the game won, then he has every right to shoot IMO. On the other hand i know what your getting at and he should have squared it to Driver in the opening seconds of the game when he went round the keeper. When the first goal is on offer at that time in any game, I would call it greedy, but some of the best strikers in the world get tunnel vision in these positions. The paradox here is that this characteristic is one of the reaons why they score so many goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Thankfully so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Christ come on he is a striker all the good ones a greedy it's that selfishness that gets them so much goals his instincts are always to try and score.Anything to critisise some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flogel98 Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Personally, I want my strikers to shoot - not try and walk the ball in the net. Andy V will do for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Thanks. I sit in the old stand. You had a clearer view than I did. The other incident was his first chance in the 1st minute that hit the side netting. Driver and Shammy were running in on goal. My view is it would have been good to score more two goals. The way Driver and Shammy were shooting on Saturday it wouldn't have mattered if he had squared it ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobbyshambles Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 the option he had was go himself or pass it to elliot, there was really no choice there, nobody would have passed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankbroxup Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 I don't want to sound ungrateful but, having just watched the highlights on the BBC website. On two occassions yesterday we could have scored had Velika squared the ball I know one was to Elliot but I could have scored if he squared it to me. The text book say shoot across the keeper so in the second instance he did everything right . The first one was in the first minute and maybe should have squared the ball after beating the keeper.On balance strikers should have blinkers and shoot on site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munch Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 I don't want to sound ungrateful but, having just watched the highlights on the BBC website. On two occassions yesterday we could have scored had Velika squared the ball I know one was to Elliot but I could have scored if he squared it to me. Clum would have missed anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambojim52 Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 How many LEAGUE goals does he have THIS season? BBC say 11 but I thought it was more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Dover Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 I think probably the likes of Dimitar Berbatov would have seen and executed the right pass there..............but we dont have him or anybody anywhere close to that level playing for us Yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Meldrew Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Velicka scores two goals, and is working harder in games, so we have a new way of criticising him. We won. He scored 2 goals. Job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Personally I prefer a striker who aint scared to have a go, it shows that he's full of coinfidence. One thing that really narks me is when players are in excellent goal scoring positions and they pass the bloody thing because they are too scared to have a pop at goal, it frustrates the life out of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyseymour Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Personally I prefer a striker who aint scared to have a go, it shows that he's full of coinfidence. One thing that really narks me is when players are in excellent goal scoring positions and they pass the bloody thing because they are too scared to have a pop at goal, it frustrates the life out of me. Exactly.......that's a key failing of Audrey who would be an excellent forward if only he would shoot earlier (still rate him tho') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBjambo Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 I think at times he is too gready and would've done well to square the ball... however he was on for a hatrick and so in that situation any striker would have gone for the shot. If we were a goal down or drawing and he'd done that, we'd all be castigating him for not passing... even if it was to Clum! That said Clum scores and his confidence would have soared... no bad thing. Although if we'd won that game four or five nil, we'd all be getting a bit big for our boots and over confident for the forthcoming tic, well and rankers games. A two nil win gives us the points while also reminding us that we were still fairly poor and will have to work very hard to get any kind of result in the next three games. We missed Nade yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut The Crap Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 The only Hearts striker from the past thirty years who would have passed in that situation is Stephane Adam, who always tried to pick out the better-placed team-mate. But then we used to criticise him for not scoring enough goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Meldrew Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 I think at times he is too gready and would've done well to square the ball... however he was on for a hatrick and so in that situation any striker would have gone for the shot. If we were a goal down or drawing and he'd done that, we'd all be castigating him for not passing... even if it was to Clum! That said Clum scores and his confidence would have soared... no bad thing. Although if we'd won that game four or five nil, we'd all be getting a bit big for our boots and over confident for the forthcoming tic, well and rankers games. A two nil win gives us the points while also reminding us that we were still fairly poor and will have to work very hard to get any kind of result in the next three games. We missed Nade yesterday. The thing is, Clum would have put it out for a throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 We were talking about this on the train. The defender was blocking any pass to CE And here Great photos. I said yesterday that I thought AV should have passed to Clum but now I realise that he did take the best option. Oh and BTW, before anyone asks, I am a Hearts fan and a football supporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry Heart Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 If you look at the replay from behind the goal for the chance in the first minute, the ball is actually getting away from Velicka and he has to stretch to wrap his foot round the ball. So the chances of him warapping his foot another sharp angle were slim. I thought he should have passed at first showing but upon seeing the replay I noticed chances were slim of slipping it to Driver or Shammy. What big Andrius might have done is shot earlier, but you will receive no complaints from me about the big man. I'm one of those fans that cheer for him the loudest at games. (And don't hold back because of his nationality or Kaunas links) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecjambo Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 He has every right to go for it himself. Unlucky with the offside goal aswell. Another great performance all round by Velicka as for some of the rest of them 'could do better' is a phrase ill use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbie_Burns Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Most strikers tend to be 'greedy' from time to time, its just the nature of the beast. Think Velicka has a slight tendancy to stop and feel sorry for himself at times instead of just getting on with the game, again not the only player to be guilty of that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Larry Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 He maybe is a bit greedy, but you want your strikers to be surely..... I rate Elliott, but he's not having the best of times at the moment. Perhaps another loan spell is what's needed for the laddie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobbyshambles Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Great photos. I said yesterday that I thought AV should have passed to Clum but now I realise that he did take the best option. Oh and BTW, before anyone asks, I am a Hearts fan and a football supporter. if the defender lunged like that before he shot he could have cut back inside and squared it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Is Velika Too Greedy ?? No but clearly feckin NADE is!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Is Velika Too Greedy ?? No but clearly feckin NADE is!!! LOL ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Great photos. I said yesterday that I thought AV should have passed to Clum but now I realise that he did take the best option. Oh and BTW, before anyone asks, I am a Hearts fan and a football supporter. Quality photos mate!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 We were talking about this on the train. The defender was blocking any pass to CE And here I like Velicka. He does what a striker should do, have a crack at goal when he can. He had already scored 2 and had a decent shout for going for the third. But putting that to one side there is no way that defender is in the way of a good pass to Clum !! He has about a metre to slip it through, unless the defender is inspector gadget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhang Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 I don't want to sound ungrateful but, having just watched the highlights on the BBC website. On two occassions yesterday we could have scored had Velika squared the ball I know one was to Elliot but I could have scored if he squared it to me. As has been said he was on his hatrick,works hiss ass off in every game and so is entitled to go his own I think. If anyone is greedy I would say ksanavcius is one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleysjam Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 have to back velicka here shoot first especially if elliot is the only other option and especially if you are going for a hatrick elliot would have done the same in his position if velicka wants to grab 20 goals he will have to be greedy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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