BNP members list leaked - allegedly

[peckhamjambo]

No, I am saying no such thing. You misunderstood what I said. I have no problem whatsoever with black tv or radio stations. I said imagine if a tv station started aimed at white people, and being predominantly white, it would be crucified in the press as racist. Black people have no problem celebrating their heritage and roots, and its accepted (quite rightly), but if whites do it......all hell breaks loose! Its as if we are terrified to celebrate our heritage, please explain?

 

Whilst I totally inderstand the logic of your argument regarding the black tv channels etc (and have in the past actually questione dit myself), the reason I have no issue with channels such as BEN (Black Entertainment Network) is purely for the fact that the black race has, for hundred of years, been dowontrodden, enslaved and generally derided in many parts of the world, Britain included. In many places they still strive for equality (admittedly Britain is more advanced than most countries and cultures in being tolerant and inclusive) and these channels help to move them further towards the equality that we take for granted. There is a difference in having vehicles (such as BEN) to move an ethnic group towards greater freedom and equality, and having a 'white' tv channel, just because 'they' have one

[Guest S.U.S.S.]

Whilst I totally inderstand the logic of your argument regarding the black tv channels etc (and have in the past actually questione dit myself), the reason I have no issue with channels such as BEN (Black Entertainment Network) is purely for the fact that the black race has, for hundred of years, been dowontrodden, enslaved and generally derided in many parts of the world, Britain included. In many places they still strive for equality (admittedly Britain is more advanced than most countries and cultures in being tolerant and inclusive) and these channels help to move them further towards the equality that we take for granted. There is a difference in having vehicles (such as BEN) to move an ethnic group towards greater freedom and equality, and having a 'white' tv channel, just because 'they' have one

 

Ah the old positive discrimination argument.

[peckhamjambo]

Ah the old positive discrimination argument.

 

Some would call it that, some would call it quite a sensible argument - do you have an alternative view?

[I.J]

Following this document being released, BNP members have been targeted by threats.

 

Well, I'm in the BNP and I think the ****ing threats should be sent back to Threatland.

[Guest S.U.S.S.]

Some would call it that, some would call it quite a sensible argument - do you have an alternative view?

 

Discrimination is siscrimination, regardless of any positive slant put on it.

 

giving someone a job because they are black is wrong, the best person for the job should get it, not someone who ticks a box and fills a quota.

[Commander Harris]

slightly off-topic but I find the idea of grouping varied and different cultures under something as arbitrary as skin colour strange. The idea of a "black" TV station or a "black" awards ceremony seems to presume that there is such a thing as a single black culture. Most of these channel represent a very narrow culture while purporting to represent a black culture in general, I think this actually does black people a huge disservice.

 

The parallels with stations like Classic FM etc do not hold up, such stations are representing one aspect of culture, they do not presume a mono-culture nor do they seek to group different cultures under one arbitrary banner.

[MacDonald Jardine]

Whilst I totally inderstand the logic of your argument regarding the black tv channels etc (and have in the past actually questione dit myself), the reason I have no issue with channels such as BEN (Black Entertainment Network) is purely for the fact that the black race has, for hundred of years, been dowontrodden, enslaved and generally derided in many parts of the world, Britain included. In many places they still strive for equality (admittedly Britain is more advanced than most countries and cultures in being tolerant and inclusive) and these channels help to move them further towards the equality that we take for granted. There is a difference in having vehicles (such as BEN) to move an ethnic group towards greater freedom and equality, and having a 'white' tv channel, just because 'they' have one

 

in what way does having entertainment outlets aimed specifically at ethnic groups promote equality?

Or freedom? The freedom to set up their own homeland in Brixton maybe?

[peckhamjambo]

Discrimination is siscrimination, regardless of any positive slant put on it.

 

giving someone a job because they are black is wrong, the best person for the job should get it, not someone who ticks a box and fills a quota.

 

Sorry, I don't understand how having a tv channel such as BEN is discriminatory? I am white, British and I am able to watch it? And I actually do on occasions for the music and films. Just like my asian and black mates can watch any other channel that exists on tv.

 

If you are referring to the fact that the title includes 'black' therefore, this by default is exclusive, and therefore discriminatory, I will refer to my previous comments on why I think it is more acceptable for the afro-americans to include this reference to their colour (namely due to their history). It is not positive discrimination in my view, it is simply trying to get to a stage where all races and colours are treated on a level playing field, judging people not by the colour of their skin but by the content of their character (to steal a quote).

 

Referring to the 'quota' system incidentally is off point, I am talking exclusively about the previous analogy made regarding 'white' tv and 'black' tv. For what it is worth though, I totally agree with you that introducing quotas in terms of job appointments is wrong. If you look at South Africa for example which I think you are referring to, it creates unimaginable bitterness and tension, which I have seen at first hand. More money should be pumped into the deprived areas of SA in order to give everyone a chance of developing and progressing in their lives, regardless of colour.

[Sooperstar]

I see there's a story in the EEN about an Edinburgh Councillor (Cammy Day) who's brother is on the list.

 

A guy called Colin Day.

 

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/City-councillor-had-39no-idea39.4713468.jp

[Guest S.U.S.S.]

Sorry, I don't understand how having a tv channel such as BEN is discriminatory? I am white, British and I am able to watch it? And I actually do on occasions for the music and films. Just like my asian and black mates can watch any other channel that exists on tv.

 

If you are referring to the fact that the title includes 'black' therefore, this by default is exclusive, and therefore discriminatory, I will refer to my previous comments on why I think it is more acceptable for the afro-americans to include this reference to their colour (namely due to their history). It is not positive discrimination in my view, it is simply trying to get to a stage where all races and colours are treated on a level playing field, judging people not by the colour of their skin but by the content of their character (to steal a quote).

 

Referring to the 'quota' system incidentally is off point, I am talking exclusively about the previous analogy made regarding 'white' tv and 'black' tv. For what it is worth though, I totally agree with you that introducing quotas in terms of job appointments is wrong. If you look at South Africa for example which I think you are referring to, it creates unimaginable bitterness and tension, which I have seen at first hand. More money should be pumped into the deprived areas of SA in order to give everyone a chance of developing and progressing in their lives, regardless of colour.

 

Ah so you think its ok so we are wrong, very good.

 

Off point? so unless you pre approve comments they are invalid and off topic?

 

I dont care if BEN is for black people, as you say if i choose to i can watch, what i am against is its run simply by those of colour, as previously mentioned do that as an organisation employing only white people and see how long you last.

[I P Knightley]

Following this document being released, BNP members have been targeted by threats.

 

Well, I'm in the BNP and I think the ****ing threats should be sent back to Threatland.

 

You won't mind if I 'borrow' that one and use it elsewhere?

 

 

When I say "won't mind", of course I mean "won't know".

[I.J]

You won't mind if I 'borrow' that one and use it elsewhere?

 

 

When I say "won't mind", of course I mean "won't know".

 

Feel free.

 

Oh wait - you already have, haven't you?

 

[peckhamjambo]

Ah so you think its ok so we are wrong, very good.

 

Off point? so unless you pre approve comments they are invalid and off topic?

 

I dont care if BEN is for black people, as you say if i choose to i can watch, what i am against is its run simply by those of colour, as previously mentioned do that as an organisation employing only white people and see how long you last.

 

Point 1 - of course not - it's a debate, differences in opinion will be unavoidable

Point 2 - bizarre comment in all honesty, of course not! But when you are trying to counter an argument by using an example from subject which is not being debated it doesn't offer a very robust response.

Point 3 - think you will find that it is very common indeed!! All my bosses are white, my previous board were white, and taking a similar theme, would you say the same about the board of the Leonard Cheshire Society if the board for that organisation were all disabled? Maybe it's simply because they will understand the business they are in a lot better? They are able to empathise - thus fulfilling your earlier assertion that you should be picked on ability rather than colour etc

[Gavsy Van Gaverson]

I see there's a story in the EEN about an Edinburgh Councillor (Cammy Day) who's brother is on the list.

 

A guy called Colin Day.

 

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/City-councillor-had-39no-idea39.4713468.jp

 

A politician and a racist - one and the same

[jambovambo]

Zzzzz ...

 

I read that wikileaks crashed yesterday ...

 

http://wikileaks.org/

[Guest S.U.S.S.]

Point 1 - of course not - it's a debate, differences in opinion will be unavoidable

Point 2 - bizarre comment in all honesty, of course not! But when you are trying to counter an argument by using an example from subject which is not being debated it doesn't offer a very robust response.

Point 3 - think you will find that it is very common indeed!! All my bosses are white, my previous board were white, and taking a similar theme, would you say the same about the board of the Leonard Cheshire Society if the board for that organisation were all disabled? Maybe it's simply because they will understand the business they are in a lot better? They are able to empathise - thus fulfilling your earlier assertion that you should be picked on ability rather than colour etc

 

Better able to understand?

 

So black people watch different things on tv?

[peckhamjambo]

Better able to understand?

 

So black people watch different things on tv?

 

Not necessarily, but I am sure that the board of BET will better understand what will appeal to a predominantly black audience than you or I will? It's called empathy.

 

Think of it as direct marketing - in my line of work we select email addresses of consumers to receive an email from Nuts.tv (as an example), they are predominantly single men, between 18-40, with sky television. This ensures Nuts.tv hit the correct target audience. I bet you will find that the board and management of Nuts.tv will predominantly also fit this demographic. It just makes sense.

 

Either way, I doubt we will ever agree on this so I will take on board what you say and agree to disagree.

[Therapist]

Didn't know oral sex made you uneasy

 

I strongly suspect you're someone who's never experienced it, but mention it in your sig to give people the impression you have.

 

Out of interest, what are your politics Therapist? Are you loyal to a political party?

 

As I've stated many times before, I view "loyalty" to a political party as being a wasted vote. A weigh up the policies of all the parties at election time, then vote for whichever one best matches my objectives and wishes.

[Sherlock]

My two cents.

 

IMO, Nick Griffith is a MI5 officer whose sole job is to keep those that are too right-wing away from the mainstream politics of the Conservative party.

 

The BNP was set up by the British security services to simply attract the far-right under the one roof in order to keep track of them and control their activities.

 

It also enables the security services to moniter the links between right-wing extremists in this country and those in North America and Europe.

 

It's working.

 

[djf]

My two cents.

 

IMO, Nick Griffith is a MI5 officer whose sole job is to keep those that are too right-wing away from the mainstream politics of the Conservative party.

 

The BNP was set up by the British security services to simply attract the far-right under the one roof in order to keep track of them and control their activities.

 

It also enables the security services to moniter the links between right-wing extremists in this country and those in North America and Europe.

 

It's working.

 

 

Interesting theory. Considering Griffin joined the NF in his early teens he is certainly showing great dedication to his role

[djf]

I strongly suspect you're someone who's never experienced it, but mention it in your sig to give people the impression you have.

 

 

 

As I've stated many times before, I view "loyalty" to a political party as being a wasted vote. A weigh up the policies of all the parties at election time, then vote for whichever one best matches my objectives and wishes.

 

Do you agree with the BNP's consistent resettlement policy?

[Therapist]

consistent resettlement policy

 

What is this?

[Sherlock]

Interesting theory. Considering Griffin joined the NF in his early teens he is certainly showing great dedication to his role

 

He's dedicated to working for the greater good and for Queen and country.

[djf]

What is this?

 

In short, offer grants to Brits of foreign descent in order for them to return to the countries of their ancestors.

[Guest Roop]

I strongly suspect you're someone who's never experienced it, but mention it in your sig to give people the impression you have.

 

Thank god you're not a detective then.

 

 

As I've stated many times before, I view "loyalty" to a political party as being a wasted vote. A weigh up the policies of all the parties at election time, then vote for whichever one best matches my objectives and wishes.

 

That's a fair answer. Care to discuss your 'objectives and wishes'?

[Therapist]

In short, offer grants to Brits of foreign descent in order for them to return to the countries of their ancestors.

 

I still don't understand. Define "ancestors".

[djf]

The BNP members list site makes for hilarious reading right now. A listing of hate mail recieved plus responses. Feel free to PM for a link.

[djf]

I still don't understand. Define "ancestors".

 

The BNP manifesto has always been hazy on the subject. I believe when pressed it covered parents and grandparents.

[Therapist]

Care to discuss your 'objectives and wishes'?

 

Happy to do so. It's pretty simple. Those who contribute to society should be allowed to benefit from that contribution without having to subsidise those that do not wish to make a contribution and/or do not wish to integrate into the British way of life. This simple principle can and should be applied to all races and nationalities who reside in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

[Guest Roop]

Happy to do so. It's pretty simple. Those who contribute to society should be allowed to benefit from that contribution without having to subsidise those that do not wish to make a contribution and/or do not wish to integrate into the British way of life. This simple principle can and should be applied to all races and nationalities who reside in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

 

I agree with you.

[Guest S.U.S.S.]

Not necessarily, but I am sure that the board of BET will better understand what will appeal to a predominantly black audience than you or I will? It's called empathy.

 

Think of it as direct marketing - in my line of work we select email addresses of consumers to receive an email from Nuts.tv (as an example), they are predominantly single men, between 18-40, with sky television. This ensures Nuts.tv hit the correct target audience. I bet you will find that the board and management of Nuts.tv will predominantly also fit this demographic. It just makes sense.

 

Either way, I doubt we will ever agree on this so I will take on board what you say and agree to disagree.

 

Fair enough mate, fair enough.

[Guest Freewheelin' Jambo]

I see there's a story in the EEN about an Edinburgh Councillor (Cammy Day) who's brother is on the list.

 

A guy called Colin Day.

 

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/City-councillor-had-39no-idea39.4713468.jp

 

Strange gene pool.

 

Socialists and National Socialists under the same roof.

 

Does anyone know this Colin Day guy?

 

Might he be a Jambo? God I hope not, our Leith friends will revel in it if he is and it gets out in the open.

[Chuck Berry]

I dont care if BEN is for black people, as you say if i choose to i can watch, what i am against is its run simply by those of colour, as previously mentioned do that as an organisation employing only white people and see how long you last.

 

BBC Alba?

[MacDonald Jardine]

BBC Alba?

 

Is that not an attempt to save a culture perceived as dying as opposed to expressly promoting another one?

[Rawrrrrrrr]

"Kevin Hughes said...

 

I had a call from a chap at BBC Hereford and Worcester and he asked me if i wanted to make a comment about the list.

I said "unlike the Lib/Lab/Con members,you will not find a paedophile amongst the BNP members".

 

 

 

Good comeback

[Rawrrrrrrr]

Email Recieved:

 

FROM: BNP Solicitor [email protected]

 

You have publicly displayed information on the internet of personal details, this is in direct conflict with the data protection act and you will be prosecuted.

 

Richard Notclove

Senior SOlicitor

BNP

 

 

FROM: BNP Solicitor [email protected]

 

12,000 BNP members will now be looking out for you, don't forget. You will be tracked through your ISP.

 

 

 

----------------------------------------------------

Email Response:

Thanks for threatening violence against me there big chief, not like your type to do that. You could do a James Bond and track me through breaking into my ISP's building and hacking into their system accounts to find my address... or you could do a simple WHOIS on the domain. Sherlock.

 

 

 

People clearly need to find this site, its hundreds, if not thousands of emails sent to people showing the list

 

They are hilarious

[Sherlock]

"Kevin Hughes said...

 

I had a call from a chap at BBC Hereford and Worcester and he asked me if i wanted to make a comment about the list.

I said "unlike the Lib/Lab/Con members,you will not find a paedophile amongst the BNP members".

 

 

Good comeback

 

What's so good about it?

[Rawrrrrrrr]

Email Recieved:

If I am not removed from this list within the next hour I will be personally taking legal action again you - either remove this list totally or remove my details - I will be informing the BNP. Remove the following details with immediate effect: Richard ********* ****** *******

Email Response:

 

 

Dear Friend,

 

I realise it must be tough for you during these times of free speech, democracy and gangster rap but I would urge you to think twice before you threaten me with legal action.

 

I am saying this because, even though I despise your organisation I would be saddened if you were to venture away from your traditions by going through the proper democratic channels to settle your grievances.

 

Maybe a more suited option to your type would be to wear a white hoody and chase me down the street with a machete, or you could set fire to a cross in my back garden, or if you're feeling a bit oppressive simply round up a load of people with hooked noses and chuck them in a chamber.

 

Any of these methods will keep your identity and in turn keep my respect.

 

I hope you enjoyed the US election.

 

Regards...

BNPmemberslist.co.uk

[PontiusPilate]

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[jambo 71]

That cant be a list of every member because it shows none in Galashiels, and I know of at least 2 people there who are activists in the BNP.

 

 

Oops, I didn't realise Linda was signed in on my pc, it was meant to be johnmitchell who this was posted under lol.

[Rawrrrrrrr]

That cant be a list of every member because it shows none in Galashiels, and I know of at least 2 people there who are activists in the BNP.

 

 

Oops, I didn't realise Linda was signed in on my pc, it was meant to be johnmitchell who this was posted under lol.

 

Its 2 years out of date

[cosanostra]

Discrimination is siscrimination, regardless of any positive slant put on it.

 

giving someone a job because they are black is wrong, the best person for the job should get it, not someone who ticks a box and fills a quota.

 

Agree with all of that.

 

Positive discrimination is always wrong. Giving a less able but correct colour candidate a job in the police or fire service for example, could risk the well being of their colleagues.

[redm]

Agree with all of that.

 

Positive discrimination is always wrong. Giving a less able but correct colour candidate a job in the police or fire service for example, could risk the well being of their colleagues.

 

Absolutely agree. But the positive discrimination argument is just another one of those wishy washy 'buts' used by the BNP and their ilk to muddy the waters...as if the occurrence of positive discrimination is enough to justify far more extreme measures. It's like being attacked by someone with a cotton bud and retaliating with a machete.

[djf]

"Kevin Hughes said...

 

I had a call from a chap at BBC Hereford and Worcester and he asked me if i wanted to make a comment about the list.

I said "unlike the Lib/Lab/Con members,you will not find a paedophile amongst the BNP members".

 

 

 

Good comeback

 

 

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/81940/Evil-paedos-are-secret-BNP-thugs.html

 

 

You couldn't make it up.

[Therapist]

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/81940/Evil-paedos-are-secret-BNP-thugs.html

 

 

You couldn't make it up.

 

The fact of the matter is that some names of non-members were added to the list to make mischief. Who's to say that these two low-lifes down't fall into that category?

[davemclaren]

The fact of the matter is that some names of non-members were added to the list to make mischief. Who's to say that these two low-lifes down't fall into that category?

 

Is it important? I imagine there are various criminals on the membership lists of all parties.

[Rawrrrrrrr]

The fact of the matter is that some names of non-members were added to the list to make mischief. Who's to say that these two low-lifes down't fall into that category?

 

 

Yes thats clearly what happened:rolleyes:

[portobellojambo1]

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/81940/Evil-paedos-are-secret-BNP-thugs.html

 

 

You couldn't make it up.

 

"But Gerry Gable, spokeman for anti-fascist magazine Searchlight, said: “The fact that these two sex offenders are on the list shows the sort of vile characters which gravitate towards the fascist group.”

 

I don't knpw about anyone else but I just find such statements as the above petty (the statements, not the crimes being mentioned) when used as a means of points scoring.

 

Without putting an awful lot of effort into it I could produce a list of non members of the BNP, with their crimes, even simply basing it on sex related crimes, without an awful lot of difficulty, and that list would run to hundreds, not just 2 persons.

 

While I have absolutely no idea if the two persons mentioned are members of BNP it has been indicated that names were added to the list in spite. If I were guessing I would not be surprised if these two were amongst those added names, although again I do not think how people act in real life is driven by how they vote politicially, so equally they could be members.

[djf]

"But Gerry Gable, spokeman for anti-fascist magazine Searchlight, said: ?The fact that these two sex offenders are on the list shows the sort of vile characters which gravitate towards the fascist group.?

 

I don't knpw about anyone else but I just find such statements as the above petty (the statements, not the crimes being mentioned) when used as a means of points scoring.

 

Without putting an awful lot of effort into it I could produce a list of non members of the BNP, with their crimes, even simply basing it on sex related crimes, without an awful lot of difficulty, and that list would run to hundreds, not just 2 persons.

 

While I have absolutely no idea if the two persons mentioned are members of BNP it has been indicated that names were added to the list in spite. If I were guessing I would not be surprised if these two were amongst those added names, although again I do not think how people act in real life is driven by how they vote politicially, so equally they could be members.

 

I'm aware that every group of individuals will contain unsavoury members. I was more pointing out the irony in the BNP lashing out at other parties because they're good honest white folks who wouldn't tolerate them pederfiles then not even a week later it turns out two of their members have been found guilty of sex offenses.

 

Yes, it's lame duck politics but if the BNP are going to use it to criticise others, they are going to be mocked when they walk right into it themselves.

[portobellojambo1]

I'm aware that every group of individuals will contain unsavoury members. I was more pointing out the irony in the BNP lashing out at other parties because they're good honest white folks who wouldn't tolerate them pederfiles then not even a week later it turns out two of their members have been found guilty of sex offenses.

 

Yes, it's lame duck politics but if the BNP are going to use it to criticise others, they are going to be mocked when they walk right into it themselves.

 

My reply wasn't a dig at you djf, you didn't make the statement, you only posted it on here. (in fact I hadn't even looked to see who had posted the link).