Should the Heart Of Midlothian board take the corrupt cheating barstewards all the way?

[Victorian]

5 minutes ago, Ricardo Quaresma said:

 

What does this say, the, about mon's 'meeting' with wullie column and that it taking place was being publicly emitted, like a tannoy announcement to the septic hoardes - 'you know what to do'

 

He can't really plead ignorance on what his sabre rattling would do, could he?

 

I think it's a separate thing.   Celtic and Rangers have a long history of essentially demanding favourable treatment under the guise of demanding fair treatment.

 

But separately,  I'm quite convinced that all of the pieces fit that officials are effectively tethered goats.   Artificially preferred to attain top status on the basis of their location.   The purpose to favour self preservation.

 

The plausible deniability factor also fits.   So easy to point towards a supposed Rangers supporting referee doing a massive favour to Celtic.   When the truth is that he was completely set up by circumstances.   

[Malco]

My thoughts are we need to make things as uncomfortable as possible for the SFA, SPL and Willie Collum and the band of referees that have failed us and other teams! 

 

Willie Collum comes out to defend his referee and VAR team in the penalty call against Sam Nicholson!,

photographer Ryan Fleming picture of SN appearing to handle the ball in various Glasgow based newspapers!, when this image is enlarged I think it clearly shows that this does not show that SN handled the ball IMO the opposite! The VAR images IMO also do not show the ball being handled by SN!

I do not know if SN is right handed or left handed?, my point is being right handed myself there is no way that I can make the ball travel at the force and speed it did with my hand in that position even on my right side it is not possible!, it is clear that SN heads the ball!, the position of his hand in relation to his hairline tells all that is needed to know that VAR and Collum got this so wrong! SN's hand is not going out towards the ball! the unnatural position is caused by Celtic player fouling SN in my opinion!, there is no deliberate movement of arm away from body, no clear arm movement and no additional arm movement! Celtic and there fans are now making noises that they have vindicated in that it was a penalty! Collum defends the call by saying the still image shows it was hand ball yet decides Johnson's out of control tackle on the Rangers player was okay but does not use still image that shows Celtic players boot with studs connecting with Rangers player shin guard! IFAB Laws state the referee must evaluate the sequence of of events chronologically to make the correct decision! It is clear that this did not happen in either of these cases and in also the potential handball by the Motherwell player when he used his arm to control the ball! IMO Collum needs to be called out and sacked as he's making up story lines to suit his agenda's! Collum also needs to answer the 10 seconds comment that can be heard on VAR!, did this pressure referee from doing his proper checks?

 

Collum's statements that he say's THINK is seriously concerning, you can't make a decision based on "I think that happened!", which seems to be what he is saying as being acceptable in their refereeing calls! 

 

Can we get outside qualified top notch referees to review these questionable decisions?, we need a transparent investigation into the goings on!, rumors that referee's were scared being threatened!, did referee's feel influenced by others, why are Celtic and Rangers known supporters being asked to officiate in games involving them or the results that are going to directly affect their own teams?, is there evidence of betting irregularities?, evidence of payments being made to throw games! 

 

The events at Celtic Park were it seems that the SFA/SPL and Celtic are trying to rewrite the history of the games ending!, MON claiming that there is no evidence of any Hearts players being assaulted despite numerous images available from the live TV coverage!, why have we as a club not made complaints of assault to the police? pitch invasion started with Celtic substitutes entering field of play before Celtic scored their third goal!, this seemed to lead to hundreds of Celtic fans invading the field of play while the game was still live!, if it had been a peaceful invasion of celebration for a minute I wouldn't have an issue but it was clear that certain Celtic supporters went on to the pitch to goad Hearts players and from images that I have seen clearly assaulted Hearts players and staff! The way the game was stopped due to pitch invasion makes it legally questionable if it actually ended!, as there is no way anyone could expect Hearts to play out the remaining time safely in such a threatening hostile atmosphere!, how could anyone consider asking a player who had just been surrounded by hostile fans of the opposition team resuming play! While unlikely that we would score 2 goals it was not an impossibility I think there was 31 seconds of added time plus 4 substitutes in added on time plus time wasting!

So the explanation of the game ending was that the clock continued to tick during the pitch invasion! There was no restart after 3rd goal score while there remained time on the added time!

 

Obviously the referee did not clearly end the game by proper communication as players and media did not know if the game was finished or not!, to try and make out that DM was happy for game to end is clearly manipulated for their agenda!, how the hell would DM be able to guarantee the safety of his players to complete the game! 

 

Why was an agreed meeting between our clubs Chair Calum Paterson that would be held in private!, suddenly we have the SFA/SPL suddenly releasing VAR of the ending that actually opens up more questions than answers?

 

Why are there no referee's reports being published from any of these games? 

 

Our club should be taking the stand that the match did not restart after the goal and the subsequent violence, so it had to be either suspended or abandoned!, yet the SFA/SPL try to make out that it was ended properly! 

 

The events that unfolded are completely unacceptable and in the interests of transparancy an independent investigation into the events need to be taken!, Celtic fans are making all the noises of suing media etc that Collums comments on VAR decisions 

[Taffin]

26 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

I'm quite happy to leave you in your world where Doncaster is as pure as driven snow and wouldn't dream of stitching us up. The world where SPFL are an honest bunch of good people.

Me, I'll live in the real world where that ***** Doncaster doesn't breath unless he's run it past Celtic and the SPFL bend to their every order.

Have a good night

 

 

You're conflating two things. I'm absolutely under no illusions it's a stitch up but in the actual real world nothings going to happen unless there's proof, and the video I posted about doesn't back up the narrative, it's counter to it.

 

 

[ArcticJambo]

2 hours ago, Bill Sikes said:

 

I think most sane individuals realise calling Celtic cheats just doesn't hold water, they didn't cheat, holding one on ones with Collum doesn't even mean cheating and allegedly Collums door is open to all managers.

Do they lean on the media, do they lean on referees, do they lean on just everyone they can to swing any decisions their way, course they do, they probably have something close to 50% of the country supporting them. Its how they operate, they've been doing it for decades. Little point in grizzling about it now. 

 

Did the officials cheat, 100% in my mind and the same with every single person ive spoken to about it since the entire farce played out.

 

The 1st sign was having a player sent off in his own half a foot from the bye line. Then the manipulated fixtures after the split, then the hand picked referee appointments, then the string of utterly bizarre decisions, culminating in a 100% prearranged final day shoot out away at Celtic Park. 

 

Whether anyone likes it or not, unless bank accounts are checked of course, then Celtic really aren't culpable for any of the above. 

They'll get punished in a few years for running on the pitch.

 

Its clearly one body of individuals that have destroyed what little credibility Hearts actually brought back to the Scottish game this season.

 

Collum and co have been a complete disgrace and the way he has conducted himself afterwards has been contemptible and im highly suspicious of his motives.

 

Unfortunately its going to be incredibly difficult to go after any of them. If even possible if the "inquiry" doesn't bin them all. 

 

[Ricardo Quaresma]

Should we make another thread about what's meant by stating 'septic' cheated

 

My guess is that obviously, so, so, obviously, that isn't their players on the pitch and nothing else, why on earth would anyone take that stance?

 

Do their players know or assume they'll get favourable decisions? Aye! Absolutely and this behaviour has been blatantly demonstrated for a long time

Do their players try to con refs? Aye! More than others? Aye! Except sevco and others; we've had Players try it and they've largely sucked at it

Is there any other way to cheat, for players on the park? I'd say they probably get the refs twisted around their finger, especially the intimidated ones

 

Anything else? I can't think of any right now, but there's probably something I missed

 

But that's just the players, it's mostly their mental fans that refs and every other sap that can influence what happens or doesn't happen for and to that club that are helping them to avoid hassle, or a lot worse

 

 

Edited June 3 by Ricardo Quaresma
Don't know what happened to the end bit

[Deevers]

20 minutes ago, Ex member of the SaS said:

Sorry but again the actions of MoN is not the team. I get some may say HE is the team but in reality he is an individual and no matter that conversation it was still down to the officials on the pitch that cheated. MoN and Gollum are a different issue, until VaR and the ref made their decision it matters not what was said or agreed. IF Gollum did instruct his refs to favour Celtic then it's he that is corrupt and not Celtic. God I hate defending that scum but facts are facts.

Yes, I get that but O’Neill. Is the representative of Celtic when dealing with footballing matters. So the phone call to Collum was about footballing matters and questioning decisions that Celtic did not get that he felt they should have. That being the case he was the embodiment of Celtic in that situation. 
It seems to me that Collum in particular has questions to answer on all of this and the outcomes in various games that followed.  This whole episode quite frankly is disgraceful and has dragged the conduct of the game here through the mud. 

[ollie2004]

19 minutes ago, Malco said:

My thoughts are we need to make things as uncomfortable as possible for the SFA, SPL and Willie Collum and the band of referees that have failed us and other teams! 

 

Willie Collum comes out to defend his referee and VAR team in the penalty call against Sam Nicholson!,

photographer Ryan Fleming picture of SN appearing to handle the ball in various Glasgow based newspapers!, when this image is enlarged I think it clearly shows that this does not show that SN handled the ball IMO the opposite! The VAR images IMO also do not show the ball being handled by SN!

I do not know if SN is right handed or left handed?, my point is being right handed myself there is no way that I can make the ball travel at the force and speed it did with my hand in that position even on my right side it is not possible!, it is clear that SN heads the ball!, the position of his hand in relation to his hairline tells all that is needed to know that VAR and Collum got this so wrong! SN's hand is not going out towards the ball! the unnatural position is caused by Celtic player fouling SN in my opinion!, there is no deliberate movement of arm away from body, no clear arm movement and no additional arm movement! Celtic and there fans are now making noises that they have vindicated in that it was a penalty! Collum defends the call by saying the still image shows it was hand ball yet decides Johnson's out of control tackle on the Rangers player was okay but does not use still image that shows Celtic players boot with studs connecting with Rangers player shin guard! IFAB Laws state the referee must evaluate the sequence of of events chronologically to make the correct decision! It is clear that this did not happen in either of these cases and in also the potential handball by the Motherwell player when he used his arm to control the ball! IMO Collum needs to be called out and sacked as he's making up story lines to suit his agenda's! Collum also needs to answer the 10 seconds comment that can be heard on VAR!, did this pressure referee from doing his proper checks?

 

Collum's statements that he say's THINK is seriously concerning, you can't make a decision based on "I think that happened!", which seems to be what he is saying as being acceptable in their refereeing calls! 

 

Can we get outside qualified top notch referees to review these questionable decisions?, we need a transparent investigation into the goings on!, rumors that referee's were scared being threatened!, did referee's feel influenced by others, why are Celtic and Rangers known supporters being asked to officiate in games involving them or the results that are going to directly affect their own teams?, is there evidence of betting irregularities?, evidence of payments being made to throw games! 

 

The events at Celtic Park were it seems that the SFA/SPL and Celtic are trying to rewrite the history of the games ending!, MON claiming that there is no evidence of any Hearts players being assaulted despite numerous images available from the live TV coverage!, why have we as a club not made complaints of assault to the police? pitch invasion started with Celtic substitutes entering field of play before Celtic scored their third goal!, this seemed to lead to hundreds of Celtic fans invading the field of play while the game was still live!, if it had been a peaceful invasion of celebration for a minute I wouldn't have an issue but it was clear that certain Celtic supporters went on to the pitch to goad Hearts players and from images that I have seen clearly assaulted Hearts players and staff! The way the game was stopped due to pitch invasion makes it legally questionable if it actually ended!, as there is no way anyone could expect Hearts to play out the remaining time safely in such a threatening hostile atmosphere!, how could anyone consider asking a player who had just been surrounded by hostile fans of the opposition team resuming play! While unlikely that we would score 2 goals it was not an impossibility I think there was 31 seconds of added time plus 4 substitutes in added on time plus time wasting!

So the explanation of the game ending was that the clock continued to tick during the pitch invasion! There was no restart after 3rd goal score while there remained time on the added time!

 

Obviously the referee did not clearly end the game by proper communication as players and media did not know if the game was finished or not!, to try and make out that DM was happy for game to end is clearly manipulated for their agenda!, how the hell would DM be able to guarantee the safety of his players to complete the game! 

 

Why was an agreed meeting between our clubs Chair Calum Paterson that would be held in private!, suddenly we have the SFA/SPL suddenly releasing VAR of the ending that actually opens up more questions than answers?

 

Why are there no referee's reports being published from any of these games? 

 

Our club should be taking the stand that the match did not restart after the goal and the subsequent violence, so it had to be either suspended or abandoned!, yet the SFA/SPL try to make out that it was ended properly! 

 

The events that unfolded are completely unacceptable and in the interests of transparancy an independent investigation into the events need to be taken!, Celtic fans are making all the noises of suing media etc that Collums comments on VAR decisions 

Just read earlier that 5 or 6 people from the Ibrox debacle were identified today, remember that incident was early March 2026 so police actively investigating this is a joke, when will the police investigation begin for events at Darkheid? How long will they take and when or should I say WILL justice prevail? IMO NEVER! Scottish football is a joke and the governing bodies need to be abolished!

[Ricardo Quaresma]

16 minutes ago, Victorian said:

I think it's a separate thing.   Celtic and Rangers have a long history of essentially demanding favourable treatment under the guise of demanding fair treatment.

 

But separately,  I'm quite convinced that all of the pieces fit that officials are effectively tethered goats.   Artificially preferred to attain top status on the basis of their location.   The purpose to favour self preservation.

 

The plausible deniability factor also fits.   So easy to point towards a supposed Rangers supporting referee doing a massive favour to Celtic.   When the truth is that he was completely set up by circumstances.   

 

Well, it's after this 'meeting' that beaton was put in charge of Us v sevco and, well, he never really got a 'result' there, did he?

 

So, again, QED, he was sent in again at fir park and the whole 'double down' aspect of the penalty demand from dallas forced him to give the ghost pen

 

It was the same when VAR was first introduced and the truth came flyin' out the traps that septic were gettin' treated far more like they do in Europe, the implicit stance of refs was 'well, we're on camera, what can we do?

That's when the VAR jiggery-pokery started and the fiddling about with frames around passes for offsides, frames on replays given to Sky missing and the rancidity began; we got no pens for an entire Season after that IIRC, until the last 1 or 2 games, maybe, it was missed too, as Our Players forgot how to take one

 

 

I get it when you say that it's different; I think there's 2 angles to it, 1 different, 1 same, the same part being putting refs in danger and IMHO not giving a hoot

[Victorian]

5 minutes ago, Ricardo Quaresma said:

 

Well, it's after this 'meeting' that beaton was put in charge of Us v sevco and, well, he never really got a 'result' there, did he?

 

So, again, QED, he was sent in again at fir park and the whole 'double down' aspect of the penalty demand from dallas forced him to give the ghost pen

 

It was the same when VAR was first introduced and the truth came flyin' out the traps that septic were gettin' treated far more like they do in Europe, the implicit stance of refs was 'well, we're on camera, what can we do?

That's when the VAR jiggery-pokery started and the fiddling about with frames around passes for offsides, frames on replays given to Sky missing and the rancidity began; we got no pens for an entire Season after that IIRC, until the last 1 or 2 games, maybe, it was missed too, as Our Players forgot how to take one

 

 

I get it when you say that it's different; I think there's 2 angles to it, 1 different, 1 same, the same part being putting refs in danger and IMHO not giving a hoot

 

I'm quite of the belief that we could have won it in spite of the cheating.   The nature of the cheating that went on was probably the worst seen in Scotland for many years.   But I think there's a natural limit to how much they can cheat and they came very close to it imo.

 

If a Celtic win at Fir Park could not have been brought about,  they needed to win by 3 in the last match.   We'll never know how that would have been aided but as far as I'm concerned it may well have been.   Had Celtic lost at Fir Park then it was over.

 

They cheated enough while the opportunity was there.   We could have got over the line despite it all but obviously didn't.   

 

We were effectively set an unspoken high bar.   Do enough then you can have it.   Give us a chance to dip your pockets... empty pockets.

[soonbe110]

2 hours ago, Taffin said:

 

The fixture being away for us was really poor but I've seen people using the Doncaster interview as some kind of proof they manufactured it. Yet in the video he says he'd likely be in a helicopter, which suggests that the scenario he was thinking of, wasn't what he got, so it doesn't really tally?

He is on record as saying they would do all they could to have a last day decider.   Commercially a huge deal for them in terms of interest generated.  Had we won the league in the last day we were not receiving the trophy at Parkhead.  Police had already vetoed that. No idea why he would be in a helicopter 

[HeartsCobra]

22 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

 

Given what I've argued on this thread I want to make clear I agree 100% with this. The only thing I think we need to "move on" from is trying to get the Celtic match declared abandoned.

 

I think the pattern of refereeing decisions can be shown, in aggregate, to be biased towards the OF, probably Celtic slightly more but the OF overall. I think that can be shown with good data and fortunately we have a very good data system on our side. It can be done without making accusations of a stitch-up (which I do suspect at times but which the accusation of will cause doors to slam shut), just with inherent bias.

 

We need, in the clear light of day, a public case with hard evidence that refereeing favors the Glasgow clubs and that we expect a plan to correct it, and we need a sanctions for Celtic's fans and the club's failure to ensure safety at matches.

 

👍🏼

 

As regards the end of match 38, I feel suspicion at the urgency with which attempts to draw the match to a close appeared to kick-in amidst a massive pitch invasion. My question about this is obviously why the urgency?

The Glasgow-based SFA would say the pitch invasion and the end of the match were unrelated, yet the massive pitch invasion started before and finished after the end of the match. I look at this in the context of this match occurring seven days after the Prague derby match abandonment. I think about how – with a similar outcome – a 0-3 scoreline results in the league trophy leaving Glasgow for the first time in 41 years.

 

I think our refereeing community would have been well aware of the Prague match abandonment and how it could – under similar circumstances – be used to apply pressure to annul a crucial Scottish football match. I think the Scottish match referees could easily have been primed to urgently end match 38 in the event of a pitch invasion. A pitch invasion by Celtic supporters is a scenario that was not unlikely. Celtic fans invaded the Motherwell pitch just four days prior, and on at least two other occasions in 25/26.

 

Other reasons for me asking why the urgency? 

 

I think about how a ‘3-1 to Celtic’ scoreline aligns perfectly within the pattern of the previous seven days in Scottish football, which resulted in:

 

1. An incorrect no red card for Alastair Johnston (match 36);

2. A controversial no offside given for a Celtic goal (match 36);

3. An incorrect no penalty award for Hearts in the first half (match 36);

4. An incorrect no penalty award for Hearts in the second half (match 36);

5. An incorrect no red card for Liam Scales (match 37);

6. An incorrect penalty award for Celtic with the last kick of the game (match 37).

 

I’m sure I’ve missed others, which is a staggering thought in itself.

 

For the above reasons, I would want the details surrounding the ending of match 38 to be included in any presentation designed to demonstrate the sequence of events which decided the league. When viewed together, the pattern of events raises serious questions about how the league championship was decided. Scrutiny of all the events, viewed as a sequence, is warranted.

 

[Malinga the Swinga]

So we have now established that Celtic are the embodiment of fair play.

When Celtic's manager announced he's held emergency call with chief of referees as he isn't happy with way their games are being officiated and the resulting games see every decision going their way, it's just a coincidence.

When Celtic's supporters cause crowd invasions repeatedly, it's just one of those things and on no way responsibility of Celtic. Let's even call games off, but not abandon them, because Celtic are winning with their fun loving supporters on the pitch, in fact their subs and coaches were leading the invasion, but again, it's nothing to do with Celtic.

When Celtic readmit the Green Brigade with no concession on their behaviour and that she tion hold political banners and chants, it's nothing to do with Celtic.

When referees are intimidated in their homes and work by Celtic supporters, it's nothing to do with Celtic.

When Celtic players commit foul after foul on pitch free of punishment, it's nothing to do with them.

When O'Neill is on TV blindly lying about events in games, he isn't speaking on behalf of Celtic who pay his wages, just as a guy who's totally neutral because Celtic are perfect.

When Celtic's captain accused Hearts player of diving on live TV and the next game that same referee takes charge of, the Hearts player is punished for diving when clearly fouled, it's nothing to do with Celtic.

When the same Celtic captain is embarrassed by a young Hearts player and takes revenge by cynically injuring him at Parkhead and isn't punished by referee, it's just a coincidence and nothing to do with Celtic.

When Covid struck and Celtic were ahead in league, the rush to award them the title was nothing to do with Celtic and it's owners/directors, it was just the right thing to do.

When Celtic boys club had their 'issues', it's nothing to do with Celtic football club.

 

Think we can see that it's really Hearts who are the problem. We need to stop giving Celtic problems in league and just accept that they are naturally entitled to win league.

 

 

[Triggers Broom]

2 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

He is on record as saying they would do all they could to have a last day decider.   Commercially a huge deal for them in terms of interest generated.  Had we won the league in the last day we were not receiving the trophy at Parkhead.  Police had already vetoed that. No idea why he would be in a helicopter 

And if Celtic had to win by 3 clear goals the attendance at parkhead on the final day would have been 30k ?

 

But there man on VAR sorted that out for them at Motherwell 

[Watt-Zeefuik]

2 minutes ago, HeartsCobra said:

 

👍🏼

 

As regards the end of match 38, I feel suspicion at the urgency with which attempts to draw the match to a close appeared to kick-in amidst a massive pitch invasion. My question about this is obviously why the urgency?

The Glasgow-based SFA would say the pitch invasion and the end of the match were unrelated, yet the massive pitch invasion started before and finished after the end of the match. I look at this in the context of this match occurring seven days after the Prague derby match abandonment. I think about how – with a similar outcome – a 0-3 scoreline results in the league trophy leaving Glasgow for the first time in 41 years.

 

I think our refereeing community would have been well aware of the Prague match abandonment and how it could – under similar circumstances – be used to apply pressure to annul a crucial Scottish football match. I think the Scottish match referees could easily have been primed to urgently end match 38 in the event of a pitch invasion. A pitch invasion by Celtic supporters is a scenario that was not unlikely. Celtic fans invaded the Motherwell pitch just four days prior, and on at least two other occasions in 25/26.

 

Other reasons for me asking why the urgency? 

 

I think about how a ‘3-1 to Celtic’ scoreline aligns perfectly within the pattern of the previous seven days in Scottish football, which resulted in:

 

1. An incorrect no red card for Alastair Johnston (match 36);

2. A controversial no offside given for a Celtic goal (match 36);

3. An incorrect no penalty award for Hearts in the first half (match 36);

4. An incorrect no penalty award for Hearts in the second half (match 36);

5. An incorrect no red card for Liam Scales (match 37);

6. An incorrect penalty award for Celtic with the last kick of the game (match 37).

 

I’m sure I’ve missed others, which is a staggering thought in itself.

 

For the above reasons, I would want the details surrounding the ending of match 38 to be included in any presentation designed to demonstrate the sequence of events which decided the league. When viewed together, the pattern of events raises serious questions about how the league championship was decided. Scrutiny of all the events, viewed as a sequence, is warranted.

 

 

I am 100% behind scrutiny of the end of match decision. I just think that trying to get a declaration of abandoned match, whether from a court or UEFA or anything else, is never going to happen at this point.

 

But examining it as part of the greater pattern of referee decisions is fine with me. For me, it's not an egregious decision at all in comparison to the others, but it can certainly be included in the inquiry. 

[HeartsCobra]

6 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

So we have now established that Celtic are the embodiment of fair play.

When Celtic's manager announced he's held emergency call with chief of referees as he isn't happy with way their games are being officiated and the resulting games see every decision going their way, it's just a coincidence.

When Celtic's supporters cause crowd invasions repeatedly, it's just one of those things and on no way responsibility of Celtic. Let's even call games off, but not abandon them, because Celtic are winning with their fun loving supporters on the pitch, in fact their subs and coaches were leading the invasion, but again, it's nothing to do with Celtic.

When Celtic readmit the Green Brigade with no concession on their behaviour and that she tion hold political banners and chants, it's nothing to do with Celtic.

When referees are intimidated in their homes and work by Celtic supporters, it's nothing to do with Celtic.

When Celtic players commit foul after foul on pitch free of punishment, it's nothing to do with them.

When O'Neill is on TV blindly lying about events in games, he isn't speaking on behalf of Celtic who pay his wages, just as a guy who's totally neutral because Celtic are perfect.

When Celtic's captain accused Hearts player of diving on live TV and the next game that same referee takes charge of, the Hearts player is punished for diving when clearly fouled, it's nothing to do with Celtic.

When the same Celtic captain is embarrassed by a young Hearts player and takes revenge by cynically injuring him at Parkhead and isn't punished by referee, it's just a coincidence and nothing to do with Celtic.

When Covid struck and Celtic were ahead in league, the rush to award them the title was nothing to do with Celtic and it's owners/directors, it was just the right thing to do.

When Celtic boys club had their 'issues', it's nothing to do with Celtic football club.

 

Think we can see that it's really Hearts who are the problem. We need to stop giving Celtic problems in league and just accept that they are naturally entitled to win league.

 

 

 

Well said, mate.

[south morocco]

10 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

So we have now established that Celtic are the embodiment of fair play.

When Celtic's manager announced he's held emergency call with chief of referees as he isn't happy with way their games are being officiated and the resulting games see every decision going their way, it's just a coincidence.

When Celtic's supporters cause crowd invasions repeatedly, it's just one of those things and on no way responsibility of Celtic. Let's even call games off, but not abandon them, because Celtic are winning with their fun loving supporters on the pitch, in fact their subs and coaches were leading the invasion, but again, it's nothing to do with Celtic.

When Celtic readmit the Green Brigade with no concession on their behaviour and that she tion hold political banners and chants, it's nothing to do with Celtic.

When referees are intimidated in their homes and work by Celtic supporters, it's nothing to do with Celtic.

When Celtic players commit foul after foul on pitch free of punishment, it's nothing to do with them.

When O'Neill is on TV blindly lying about events in games, he isn't speaking on behalf of Celtic who pay his wages, just as a guy who's totally neutral because Celtic are perfect.

When Celtic's captain accused Hearts player of diving on live TV and the next game that same referee takes charge of, the Hearts player is punished for diving when clearly fouled, it's nothing to do with Celtic.

When the same Celtic captain is embarrassed by a young Hearts player and takes revenge by cynically injuring him at Parkhead and isn't punished by referee, it's just a coincidence and nothing to do with Celtic.

When Covid struck and Celtic were ahead in league, the rush to award them the title was nothing to do with Celtic and it's owners/directors, it was just the right thing to do.

When Celtic boys club had their 'issues', it's nothing to do with Celtic football club.

 

Think we can see that it's really Hearts who are the problem. We need to stop giving Celtic problems in league and just accept that they are naturally entitled to win league.

 

 

😂😂 Well said.

[soonbe110]

7 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

 

I am 100% behind scrutiny of the end of match decision. I just think that trying to get a declaration of abandoned match, whether from a court or UEFA or anything else, is never going to happen at this point.

 

But examining it as part of the greater pattern of referee decisions is fine with me. For me, it's not an egregious decision at all in comparison to the others, but it can certainly be included in the inquiry. 

I tend to agree.  Suspect when the heat dies down we will see Collum and/or Dallas stepping down or being re-assigned along with an early retirement announcement from McLean.  

[HeartsCobra]

8 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

 

I am 100% behind scrutiny of the end of match decision. I just think that trying to get a declaration of abandoned match, whether from a court or UEFA or anything else, is never going to happen at this point.

 

But examining it as part of the greater pattern of referee decisions is fine with me. For me, it's not an egregious decision at all in comparison to the others, but it can certainly be included in the inquiry. 

 

I am in full agreement about the need for patterns to be analysed. It’s needed here for us, but it’s also desperately needed for the Scottish game in general. We can’t accept the game being run by cronies for their own gain.

 

One hope I have for the long term benefit is for the stats to be used to measure events over a long period of time. Kind of like how an average speed camera can catch out speeding vehicles. It’s high time things like 98th minute penalties for celtic need to be exposed for what they are, and that is the result of not being determined objectively. 

 

Foreign referees and transparent long term statistical analysis of key match incidents to expose patterns. The first that would likely bring an end to is “lenient refereeing in old firm matches”.

[Taffin]

23 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

He is on record as saying they would do all they could to have a last day decider.   Commercially a huge deal for them in terms of interest generated.  Had we won the league in the last day we were not receiving the trophy at Parkhead.  Police had already vetoed that. No idea why he would be in a helicopter 

 

Presumably as he wasn't thinking the Celtic Vs Hearts would be the decider between those two teams.

[soonbe110]

9 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Presumably as he wasn't thinking the Celtic Vs Hearts would be the decider between those two teams.

If he needed to be in a chopper he hadn’t got the last day title decider he wanted, hoped for and possibly expected 🤷‍♂️

[Taffin]

4 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

If he needed to be in a chopper he hadn’t got the last day title decider he wanted, hoped for and possibly expected 🤷‍♂️

 

Yes, that's what I'm saying, it doesn't tally with the idea of that showing why they made us play away as the last game or manipulated it to go to the last day once the fixtures were set.

 

It doesn't mean that didn't happen, but his interview doesn't support it, if anything it suggests he'd have been after something else imo.

Edited June 3 by Taffin

[ArcticJambo]

It's a covers all the bases comment!  You'd be daft not to include it.  Who doesnt love a whirlybird!  

 

 

[soonbe110]

5 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Yes, that's what I'm saying, it doesn't tally with the idea of that showing why they made us play away as the last game or manipulated it to go to the last day once the fixtures were set.

 

It doesn't mean that didn't happen, but his interview doesn't support it, if anything it suggests he'd have been after something else imo.

Interview I read said exactly what I said. A last day title decider.  Rangers at Falkirk and us at Parkhead is not a last day title decider 

[Taffin]

3 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Interview I read said exactly what I said. A last day title decider.  Rangers at Falkirk and us at Parkhead is not a last day title decider 

 

I don't follow what your point is then, sorry. Us at Parkhead very much was the title decider and doesn't tally with him being in a helicopter so obviously wasn't what he had in mind.

Edited June 3 by Taffin

[Pasquale for King]

52 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

He is on record as saying they would do all they could to have a last day decider.   Commercially a huge deal for them in terms of interest generated.  Had we won the league in the last day we were not receiving the trophy at Parkhead.  Police had already vetoed that. No idea why he would be in a helicopter 

He would’ve imagined the deciding game/s to be between the uglies, so different grounds. 

[Pasquale for King]

7 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

I don't follow what your point is then, sorry. Us at Parkhead very much was the title decider and doesn't tally with him being in a helicopter so obviously wasn't what he had in mind.

In his tiny mind it wouldn’t have included us, it would’ve been the uglies fighting it out with us as cannon fodder due to having three difficult games to start the split. 

[Tynecastle Valhalla]

The game was ended due to the pitch invasion.

 

Hearts should be awarded the points.

 

 

[Ricardo Quaresma]

1 hour ago, Victorian said:

I'm quite of the belief that we could have won it in spite of the cheating.   The nature of the cheating that went on was probably the worst seen in Scotland for many years.   But I think there's a natural limit to how much they can cheat and they came very close to it imo.

 

If a Celtic win at Fir Park could not have been brought about,  they needed to win by 3 in the last match.   We'll never know how that would have been aided but as far as I'm concerned it may well have been.   Had Celtic lost at Fir Park then it was over.

 

They cheated enough while the opportunity was there.   We could have got over the line despite it all but obviously didn't.   

 

We were effectively set an unspoken high bar.   Do enough then you can have it.   Give us a chance to dip your pockets... empty pockets.

 

Not so sure of that; I think they tracked Us at 8 points clear and every time we pulled away the strangeness returns and we're practically level again

 

They've demonstrated this behaviour before

 

Nobody would blink an eye if they blew 'well away and then won the final game with Us struggling at fir park; it would be over, especially if there was no infraction at the final game with the crowd; you see all the ifs and buts already here? Well, there's the fact that they tracked Us and wheeled beaton out when they needed points, that's telling

 

Go and look at beaton's stats; 20 of the first 24 points we lost he had a direct hand in, starting immediately after going 8 clear, with the dubious draw at home to utd

 

Between him and collum, you don't want to know the amount of trophies and money they've cost Us

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 3 by Ricardo Quaresma

[soonbe110]

53 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

He would’ve imagined the deciding game/s to be between the uglies, so different grounds. 

But he said he wanted a title decider game on the last day, not two games. Hence we were away to Celtic 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, soonbe110 said:

But he said he wanted a title decider game on the last day, not two games. Hence we were away to Celtic 

Yeah but that was in January, he would’ve expected it to be those two, most folk did. Even when the split fixtures were announced I think Rangers were the bookies favourites. 
Only my opinion obviously, but they got what they desired. 

[kevin_sectionE]

I think this thread needs to be closed.  Nothing is going to happen 😕 its the sad reality 

 

Fixtures out on the 18th

 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Ricardo Quaresma said:

 

Not so sure of that; I think they tracked Us at 8 points clear and every time we pulled away the strangeness returns and we're practically level again

 

They've demonstrated this behaviour before

 

Nobody would blink an eye if they blew 'well away and then won the final game with Us struggling at fir park; it would be over, especially if there was no infraction at the final game with the crowd; you see all the ifs and buts already here? Well, there's the fact that they tracked Us and wheeled beaton out when they needed points, that's telling

 

Go and look at beaton's stats; 20 of the first 24 points we lost he had a direct hand in, starting immediately after going 8 clear, with the dubious draw at home to utd

 

Between him and collum, you don't want to know the amount of trophies and money they've cost Us

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We really need to stoop to their level to even this up. 

[Ricardo Quaresma]

1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said:

We really need to stoop to their level to even this up. 

 

How would you go about that? More Eastern Scottish refs?

[Neptune]

14 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

We really need to stoop to their level to even this up. 

12 minutes ago, Ricardo Quaresma said:

 

How would you go about that? More Eastern Scottish refs?

Was (sadly) considering this the other day. Refs give/don't give decisions against them because of their contingent of psycho fans. They are basically rewarded for their bad behaviour/we are punished for having supporters who aren't nutjobs. Maybe if Hearts had such a contingent of psycho fans the refs wouldn't be so quick to screw us over. 🫤

 

At times it seems like the most 'realistic' option for change because I doubt anything will change regarding the referees themselves.

[Pasquale for King]

1 minute ago, Neptune said:

Was (sadly) considering this the other day. Refs give/don't give decisions against them because of their contingent of psycho fans. They are basically rewarded for their bad behaviour/we are punished for having supporters who aren't nutjobs. Maybe if Hearts had such a contingent of psycho fans the refs wouldn't be so quick to screw us over. 🫤

 

At times it seems like the most 'realistic' option for change because I doubt anything will change regarding the referees themselves.

We do have nut jobs, no doubt about it. 

[Neptune]

1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said:

We do have nut jobs, no doubt about it. 

For sure there are crazies in every group but I think it's fair to say we have far less than the OF and they aren't as organised. Which is obviously a good thing but we are also paying for it because the refs are intimidated by the OF crazies into giving them ridiculous decisions that other teams including us don't get because they don't have the level of crazies those teams do. Like maybe if Livi fans were more militant they would have got that handball at Ibrox.

[Pasquale for King]

2 hours ago, Ricardo Quaresma said:

 

How would you go about that? More Eastern Scottish refs?

No, act like the uglies do

[Pasquale for King]

10 minutes ago, Neptune said:

For sure there are crazies in every group but I think it's fair to say we have far less than the OF and they aren't as organised. Which is obviously a good thing but we are also paying for it because the refs are intimidated by the OF crazies into giving them ridiculous decisions that other teams including us don't get because they don't have the level of crazies those teams do. Like maybe if Livi fans were more militant they would have got that handball at Ibrox.

Absolutely, but we probably need to do as they do.

[Ricardo Quaresma]

9 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

No, act like the uglies do

 

Hmm, deja-vu

[AyrJambo]

16 hours ago, Forrest said:

They were interfering with play though, as their presence prevented play from restarting. 

 

Unbelievable! 

 

This is a red herring that was caught in the Red Sea, been dipped in a pot of red paint and then wrapped up in a red carpet!

 

The Celtic coaches/substitutes/anyone from the Celtic bench weren't interfering with play by encroaching on to the pitch near the touchline

They weren't near the ball, they didn't obstruct any player, play continues

They shouldn't have been there and the rules state that once play stops they should be booked

 

Your statement above is nonsense since if, as you say, they were preventing play from restarting then they couldn't have been interfering with play prior to that restart, since play would not have been able to continue until the point where a restart was needed

The people on the pitch that prevented  play from restarting were the  Celtic fans

 

3 hours ago, Tynecastle Valhalla said:

The game was ended due to the pitch invasion.

 

Hearts should be awarded the points.

 

 

 

Agreed

[Shanks]

If we are just rolling over and accepting this then our CEO can get to ****.  

[davemclaren]

9 minutes ago, Shanks said:

If we are just rolling over and accepting this then our CEO can get to ****.  

Just him or the whole board who would have to agree on our approach?

[Robbo-Jambo]

Maybe we will get a statement today because it's getting bloody ridiculous now. 

 

Hearts must know that thousands of fans are still wondering what is happening. 

 

If an investigation is still ongoing they don't need to tell us the details and if there isn't one tell us that the whole thing is finished. 

 

One or the other so we can have a bit of hope or just carry on thinking about next season and signings etc. 

 

It's actually not that much to ask to the fantastic supporters we have. 

 

 

[gordon simpson]

14 hours ago, Deevers said:

Yes, I get that but O’Neill. Is the representative of Celtic when dealing with footballing matters. So the phone call to Collum was about footballing matters and questioning decisions that Celtic did not get that he felt they should have. That being the case he was the embodiment of Celtic in that situation. 
It seems to me that Collum in particular has questions to answer on all of this and the outcomes in various games that followed.  This whole episode quite frankly is disgraceful and has dragged the conduct of the game here through the mud. 

Just when our game was getting good publicity world wide

[Chairman of the Bored]

9 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

No, act like the uglies do

[Percival King]

54 minutes ago, gordon simpson said:

Just when our game was getting good publicity world wide

Said this since it all kicked off. Our league has had the most positive outside interest for decades and yet they've managed to turn a great, widespread, positive story, and possibly a springboard for a brighter future, into a negative story bringing embarrassment and ridicule, which for some of those outside observers probably confirms their belief that Scotland is some sort of footballing backwater which revolves around two teams. What a wasted opportunity. And so many folk in Scotland can't see it, or refuse to see, or maybe just don't want to see it. But Celtic won the league so all is good, normal service has been resumed. 

[Yoda]

8 minutes ago, Percival King said:

Said this since it all kicked off. Our league has had the most positive outside interest for decades and yet they've managed to turn a great, widespread, positive story, and possibly a springboard for a brighter future, into a negative story bringing embarrassment and ridicule, which for some of those outside observers probably confirms their belief that Scotland is some sort of footballing backwater which revolves around two teams. What a wasted opportunity. And so many folk in Scotland can't see it, or refuse to see, or maybe just don't want to see it. But Celtic won the league so all is good, normal service has been resumed. 

Spot on.

[Busby8]

I'm in the process of moving opinion from, We are cleverly keeping our powder dry to build our case and to give the SFA and racellic enough rope to hang themselves, to.... We have now lost all positive momentum in driving this forward to a justifiable conclusion.

 

To say I'm angry and disappointed with our apparent lack of action doesn't even touch the sides.

It's a complete dereliction of the Board's responsibility to Hearts if they are doing nothing.

 

I could of course be wrong, but it's looking increasingly likely through the passage of time that I'm not.

 

 

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[JAYEL]

12 hours ago, kevin_sectionE said:

I think this thread needs to be closed.  Nothing is going to happen 😕 its the sad reality 

 

Fixtures out on the 18th

 

Surprised you are still here

[HeartsCobra]

The Glasgow authorities with the complicity of Celtic (and rangers) have been strangling Scottish Football for decades. 

 

2025/26 was what the national game has been crying out for – a new story, global interest, sporting competition. 

 

The Glasgow group collectively ruined that story by contriving the most dull and sinister ending to the most inspiring football season Scottish Football has had in a generation or more.

 

I know non-football supporters who took great interest in the league last season because of idea some other team could win it. One such friend said in aftermath of match 37 (the Celtic penalty at Motherwell) “if Celtic end up winning the league, it would be the most boring depressing outcome and I’ll not be interested next season”.

 

The continual interventions against sporting integrity by the authorities in Scottish Football are like a cancer that is killing the potential of our national sport.