Hearts and Brighton

[Kev1961]

There is a possibility Hearts and Brighton could both end up in the Europa league.

 

Tony Bloom owns Brighton, and 30% of Hearts, yes I realise they are non-voting shares, but he still has

a vested interest in the club. How will UEFA look at this should both clubs make it to the group stages?

[RENE]

I think this will have checked out with UEFA before he bought the shares.

[El Prez]

1 minute ago, Kev1961 said:

There is a possibility Hearts and Brighton could both end up in the Europa league.

 

Tony Bloom owns Brighton, and 30% of Hearts, yes I realise they are non-voting shares, but he still has

a vested interest in the club. How will UEFA look at this should both clubs make it to the group stages?

If he held 30% the Sun wouldn't have such drivel to write about.

 

As it is; he holds 29%. For a very good, legal reason.

[Smithian]

The long process for Bloom to come aboard and the very precise 29% stake he has the Hearts and Brighton are comfortable with this setup.

 

Hearts were in Europe when contact between the clubs started and Brighton has European ambitions. They'll have planned for this.

[Kev1961]

1 minute ago, El Prez said:

If he held 30% the Sun wouldn't have such drivel to write about.

 

As it is; he holds 29%. For a very good, legal reason.

ok 29%.........not a kick in the erse off 30

[soonbe110]

4 minutes ago, Kev1961 said:

There is a possibility Hearts and Brighton could both end up in the Europa league.

 

Tony Bloom owns Brighton, and 30% of Hearts, yes I realise they are non-voting shares, but he still has

a vested interest in the club. How will UEFA look at this should both clubs make it to the group stages?

29.8% for a reason. 

[JamboJoker98]

Bloom's already gone through the legalities and regulations because this came up when USG and Brighton both qualified. That matter is now resolved and the same applies to Hearts. Bloom's said he's comfortable with that situation.

[soonbe110]

1 minute ago, Kev1961 said:

ok 29%.........not a kick in the erse off 30

29.8% of NON-VOTING SHARES 

[Kalamazoo Jambo]

I’m sure Tony himself would feel a bit conflicted - Brighton are his first love but he’s clearly emotionally invested in Hearts now too.

 

Legally I believe we should be on pretty safe ground. There’s a reason his share purchase was set up the way it was.

[hughesie27]

5 minutes ago, El Prez said:

If he held 30% the Sun wouldn't have such drivel to write about.

 

As it is; he holds 29%. For a very good, legal reason.

Think the 29% thing is an SFA rule not a UEFA one. Happy to be corrected.

 

From a quick non exhaustive look at the UEFA rules..

Article 5 Integrity of the competition/multi-club ownership

5.01

To ensure the integrity of the UEFA club competitions (i.e. UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League and UEFA Conference League), the club must be able to prove that as at 1 March 2025 the below multi-club ownership criteria were met and the club must continue to comply with the below criteria from that date until the end of the competition season:

1. No club participating in a UEFA club competition may, either directly or indirectly:

   1. hold or deal in the securities or shares of any other club participating in a UEFA club competition;

   2. be a member of any other club participating in a UEFA club competition;

   3. be involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management, administration and/or sporting performance of any other club participating in a UEFA club competition; or

   4. have any power whatsoever in the management, administration and/or sporting performance of any other club participating in a UEFA club competition.

2. No one may simultaneously be involved, either directly or indirectly, in any capacity whatsoever in the management, administration and/or sporting performance of more than one club participating in a UEFA club competition.

3. No individual or legal entity may have control or influence over more than one club participating in a UEFA club competition, such control or influence being defined in this context as:

   1. holding a majority of the shareholders’ voting rights;

   2. having the right to appoint or remove a majority of the members of the administrative, management or supervisory body of the club;

   3. being a shareholder and alone controlling a majority of the shareholders’ voting rights pursuant to an agreement entered into with other shareholders of the club; or

   4. being able to exercise by any means a decisive influence in the decision-making of the club.

Edited May 20 by hughesie27

[RustyRightPeg]

This was quite clearly spelled out when Bloom bought the shares. The same with USG to avoid any such issue. 

[Victorian]

I reckon he knows his shit.   🤔

[El Prez]

5 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

Think the 29% thing is an SFA rule not a UEFA one. Happy to be corrected.

 

From a quick non exhaustive look at the UEFA rules..

Article 5 Integrity of the competition/multi-club ownership

5.01

To ensure the integrity of the UEFA club competitions (i.e. UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League and UEFA Conference League), the club must be able to prove that as at 1 March 2025 the below multi-club ownership criteria were met and the club must continue to comply with the below criteria from that date until the end of the competition season:

1. No club participating in a UEFA club competition may, either directly or indirectly:

   1. hold or deal in the securities or shares of any other club participating in a UEFA club competition;

   2. be a member of any other club participating in a UEFA club competition;

   3. be involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management, administration and/or sporting performance of any other club participating in a UEFA club competition; or

   4. have any power whatsoever in the management, administration and/or sporting performance of any other club participating in a UEFA club competition.

2. No one may simultaneously be involved, either directly or indirectly, in any capacity whatsoever in the management, administration and/or sporting performance of more than one club participating in a UEFA club competition.

3. No individual or legal entity may have control or influence over more than one club participating in a UEFA club competition, such control or influence being defined in this context as:

   1. holding a majority of the shareholders’ voting rights;

   2. having the right to appoint or remove a majority of the members of the administrative, management or supervisory body of the club;

   3. being a shareholder and alone controlling a majority of the shareholders’ voting rights pursuant to an agreement entered into with other shareholders of the club; or

   4. being able to exercise by any means a decisive influence in the decision-making of the club.

I won't be losing sleep over it. But thank you for the information.

[Kev1961]

4 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

Think the 29% thing is an SFA rule not a UEFA one. Happy to be corrected.

 

From a quick non exhaustive look at the UEFA rules..

Article 5 Integrity of the competition/multi-club ownership

5.01

To ensure the integrity of the UEFA club competitions (i.e. UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League and UEFA Conference League), the club must be able to prove that as at 1 March 2025 the below multi-club ownership criteria were met and the club must continue to comply with the below criteria from that date until the end of the competition season:

1. No club participating in a UEFA club competition may, either directly or indirectly:

   1. hold or deal in the securities or shares of any other club participating in a UEFA club competition;

   2. be a member of any other club participating in a UEFA club competition;

   3. be involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management, administration and/or sporting performance of any other club participating in a UEFA club competition; or

   4. have any power whatsoever in the management, administration and/or sporting performance of any other club participating in a UEFA club competition.

2. No one may simultaneously be involved, either directly or indirectly, in any capacity whatsoever in the management, administration and/or sporting performance of more than one club participating in a UEFA club competition.

3. No individual or legal entity may have control or influence over more than one club participating in a UEFA club competition, such control or influence being defined in this context as:

   1. holding a majority of the shareholders’ voting rights;

   2. having the right to appoint or remove a majority of the members of the administrative, management or supervisory body of the club;

   3. being a shareholder and alone controlling a majority of the shareholders’ voting rights pursuant to an agreement entered into with other shareholders of the club; or

   4. being able to exercise by any means a decisive influence in the decision-making of the club.

Maybe I'm being a bit thick here, but doesn't Tony fall into 1.1 and 1.2 of your post, it's written very clearly and mentions nothing about 'non voting'

or under 30%, so I still don't understand how 29.9 makes it ok?

[indianajones]

Looking forward to seeing Blooms half and half suit for the Europa League final. 

[hughesie27]

Just now, Kev1961 said:

Maybe I'm being a bit thick here, but doesn't Tony fall into 1.1 and 1.2 of your post, it's written very clearly and mentions nothing about 'non voting'

or under 30%, so I still don't understand how 29.9 makes it ok?

Not 100% myself but that part uses the term "club" Brighton being the club have 0 influence or control over Hearts.

 

Parts 3.1 to 3.4 I think would relate to Bloom and again he has no influence over any of those points as far as I can tell.

[hughesie27]

As if by magic Skedd has just shared this from Hearts Standard

 

https://www.heartsstandard.co.uk/news/26125346.hearts-uefa-mco-assurance-tony-bloom-euro-qualification/

 

Heart of Midlothian have been given assurances by UEFA over their involvement in European competition and Tony Bloom's investment.

 

Following a second-place finish, the club will enter the Champions League second qualifying round.

It means all three clubs that Bloom has invested in, Hearts, Brighton and Union Saint-Gilloise, will likely be participating in European football next season.

A report claimed UEFA was investigating the connection between the clubs despite Bloom's investment in Hearts falling under the 30 per cent threshold for multi-club ownership guidelines.

The club can "confirm that UEFA has given assurances to Tony that his investment at Hearts does not create an issue.”

Edited May 20 by hughesie27

[Jamboross]

2 minutes ago, Kev1961 said:

Maybe I'm being a bit thick here, but doesn't Tony fall into 1.1 and 1.2 of your post, it's written very clearly and mentions nothing about 'non voting'

or under 30%, so I still don't understand how 29.9 makes it ok?

 

Tony Bloom isn't a football club and Brighton don't hold the shares so Clauses 1.1-1.4 are irrelevant. 

 

Clause 2 is maybe open to a little bit of scrutiny as it could perhaps be argued that appointing a board member is either directly or indirectly being involved in the administration of the club.

 

Bloom has no voting shares and 1 representative on an 8 person board so Clause 3.1-3.4 are irrelevant. 

 

 

[El Prez]

2 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

As if by magic Skedd has just shared this from Hearts Standard

 

https://www.heartsstandard.co.uk/news/26125346.hearts-uefa-mco-assurance-tony-bloom-euro-qualification/

 

Heart of Midlothian have been given assurances by UEFA over their involvement in European competition and Tony Bloom's investment.

 

Following a second-place finish, the club will enter the Champions League second qualifying round.

It means all three clubs that Bloom has invested in, Hearts, Brighton and Union Saint-Gilloise, will likely be participating in European football next season.

A report claimed UEFA was investigating the connection between the clubs despite Bloom's investment in Hearts falling under the 30 per cent threshold for multi-club ownership guidelines.

The club can "confirm that UEFA has given assurances to Tony that his investment at Hearts does not create an issue.”

It's in direct response to a straw-clutching Weeg spin-merchant Sun piece, not long out.

 

Who, if they'd bothered their fat arse to even research & read what you found in 1 minute; would've saved countless non-Hearts fans their "Gotcha" moments.

 

As if Hearts were going to be that stupid after months & months of negotiations & lawyers.

[Dallas Green]

https://www.heartsstandard.co.uk/news/26125346.hearts-uefa-mco-assurance-tony-bloom-euro-qualification/?ref=communities

[hughesie27]

2 minutes ago, El Prez said:

It's in direct response to a straw-clutching Weeg spin-merchant Sun piece, not long out.

 

Who, if they'd bothered their fat arse to even research & read what you found in 1 minute; would've saved countless non-Hearts fans their "Gotcha" moments.

 

As if Hearts were going to be that stupid after months & months of negotiations & lawyers.

Ah right. Like to avoid The Sun whenever possible so missed that!

[El Prez]

2 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

Ah right. Like to avoid The Sun whenever possible so missed that!

 

[Bridge of Djoum]

26 minutes ago, Kev1961 said:

ok 29%.........not a kick in the erse off 30

Legally It's makes all the difference. There is no issue.

[selkirkhmfc1874]

Sun trying to deflect from the real story

[hughesie27]

1 minute ago, El Prez said:

 

Cheers. Also looks like the 30% rule is actually part of UEFA. Yous think they'd make that clear in the part I shared when discussing "control or influence".

[Kalamazoo Jambo]

2 minutes ago, El Prez said:

 

His investment was in the Jambis so we’re in the clear.

[jamboinglasgow]

Saw someone yesterday argue that in the Nottingham Forest ruling by UEFA it talked about clubs having a shared recruitment process where players are put into a club and suggesting this could mean that Jamestown could chuck Hearts out of Europe. However the word made it out that players are pushed onto the club rather than recommended by the recruitment. 

[El Prez]

Just now, Kalamazoo Jambo said:

His investment was in the Jambis so we’re in the clear.

[jamboinglasgow]

1 minute ago, selkirkhmfc1874 said:

Sun trying to deflect from the real story

 

to be fair to the sun (and I hate saying that) the original story is from City AM, they are just reporting that story.

[DxB Hearts]

City and Girona played in the champions league at the same time whilst being 44.3% owned by City group, with another 44.3% being owned by Peps brother. 
 

Basically, there’s ways around these rules. 

[martoon]

This has been flagged up by a .nut and quickly put to bed by another.

 

Even the Hibs loons know that Tony's not daft.

[El Prez]

1 minute ago, martoon said:

This has been flagged up by a .nut and quickly put to bed by another.

 

Even the Hibs loons know that Tony's not daft.

See...

 

"Gotcha.....ahhh...****."

[Armageddon]

45 minutes ago, Kev1961 said:

ok 29%.........not a kick in the erse off 30

That’s not how legal processes work Kev.

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

an honest mistake from a low-count poster worried about hearts future

 

👏😃

[DxB Hearts]

22 minutes ago, martoon said:

This has been flagged up by a .nut and quickly put to bed by another.

 

Even the Hibs loons know that Tony's not daft.

Notice how the Black Knights didn’t worry about this when they bought into Hibs whilst owning Bournemouth 😂

[GMEdinburgh]

I smell weedgie deflection getting ramped up. 

[Jamstomorrow]

Just curious.  Does anyone know if Tony Bloom is in the FoH?

[Hømme]

2 hours ago, GMEdinburgh said:

I smell weedgie deflection getting ramped up. 

 

Celtic have their hands all over this.

 

Non story though, thankfully.

[Bill Sikes]

3 hours ago, Victorian said:

I reckon he knows his shit.   🤔

 

Everyone that listened does.

 

It was explained when he wanted to invest.

[westbow]

Och I thought this was preseason friendly. Wouldn't mind a trip down there, could also do the Quadrophenia tour.

[Spellczech]

4 hours ago, Kev1961 said:

There is a possibility Hearts and Brighton could both end up in the Europa league.

 

Tony Bloom owns Brighton, and 30% of Hearts, yes I realise they are non-voting shares, but he still has

a vested interest in the club. How will UEFA look at this should both clubs make it to the group stages?

It is about control and influence and conflict of interest, not simply investment.

[Jambof3tornado]

Dirty jambo cheaters!!

 

 😜 

[GinRummy]

27 minutes ago, Jambof3tornado said:

Dirty jambo cheaters!!

 

 😜 

Indeed. Get this out the road stick my cardigan on and rob some poppy tins. 😂 

[Don Dannie]

This whole saga is depressing me. They are trying anything to scuttle us. 

[Malinga the Swinga]

Terrible stirring attempt from the OP but as usual with vermin infestation, it's based on shite and not fact.

 

[Alfie Conn]

I worked on one of the London financial markets at the same time as Tony Bloom. 

 

Safe to say our career paths diverged sharply thereafter. 

[gordon simpson]

5 hours ago, selkirkhmfc1874 said:

Sun trying to deflect from the real story

spot on 

[martoon]

4 hours ago, DxB Hearts said:

Notice how the Black Knights didn’t worry about this when they bought into Hibs whilst owning Bournemouth 😂

 

😃

 

That didn't occur to me.

 

Even if it had I wouldn't have wasted a single second of precious life investigating.

 

The difference between us and the .nut scuttlers, DxB. 👍 

 

 

Edited May 20 by martoon

[Kev1961]

1 hour ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Terrible stirring attempt from the OP but as usual with vermin infestation, it's based on shite and not fact.

 

Well excuse me all to Hell for asking a question.......

.......And if you think this was a stirring post by an undercover Hobo...........then you're not the brightest light in the harbour!

[D4nny_]

Quite fancy a wee pre season away day to Brighton. Be a cracking and friendly atmosphere!