Geoff Kilpatrick Posted May 5 Posted May 5 Heart of Midlothian v Falkirk. A game where history could be written. A must for TV. Except.... the nonsense TV deal in Scotland means that, with Sky showing HMFC v Rangers, they've exhausted their 5 Tynecastle games for the season. Hearts could instead put the game behind PPV in the UK and Ireland and make some coin! I've no doubt that Sky will get some discretion granted to them but it is another reason why the mutant Doncaster should be nowhere near any of these agreements.
meister Posted May 5 Posted May 5 Doncaster's hands have been tied for his entire tenure by the fact that all Scotland had to offer was Rangers V Celtic as a spectacle (I know that's not all we have ot offer, but as far as anyone outside Scotland is concerned). I'm by no means a fan of his but he's been pissing with the c*ck he was given for years now. The real test of his mettle will be now that there is a genuine, and foreseeable, new entrant into the title race, what kind of deal he can get from Sky. Now we'll get to see what he's made of.
OTT Posted May 5 Posted May 5 4 minutes ago, meister said: Doncaster's hands have been tied for his entire tenure by the fact that all Scotland had to offer was Rangers V Celtic as a spectacle (I know that's not all we have ot offer, but as far as anyone outside Scotland is concerned). I'm by no means a fan of his but he's been pissing with the c*ck he was given for years now. The real test of his mettle will be now that there is a genuine, and foreseeable, new entrant into the title race, what kind of deal he can get from Sky. Now we'll get to see what he's made of. Yeah, the way Scottish football is run is very bowling club committee in all the worst ways. Should really take a leaf out of our book, and have the league as "club owned, but not club ran". Too many cooks in the kitchen. I've said this before, but if we're going to employ a CEO and pay him north of £400k pa, then he needs to be unshackled to get the best deal for the clubs. It sounds like too many clubs have differing agendas and this is hamstringing us being able to get a decent deal. We've been left in the dust by nations like Norway and Sweden who are hardly trendy leagues people are falling over themselves to watch - yet clearly a big TV deal is viable for them. The best deal for Scotland, may not be the best deal for the OF, and because of this stupid voting system, we're unable to actually lift clubs up naturally as the league grows.
Seaside Dave Posted May 5 Posted May 5 So the sky schedule says tba for Wednesdays night game. Are we saying a possible game to win the title can't be shown ? Wtf
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted May 5 Author Posted May 5 Just now, Seaside Dave said: So the sky schedule says tba for Wednesdays night game. Are we saying a possible game to win the title can't be shown ? Wtf At present the contract would say no.
hmfc_liam06 Posted May 5 Posted May 5 A fuss over nothing, if it's a game where we can win the title Hearts will allow Sky to show it.
El Prez Posted May 5 Posted May 5 2 minutes ago, gnasher75 said: Premier Sports might have a say too? Bidding war please! SKY would murder them.
meister Posted May 5 Posted May 5 I'd be stunned if this game wasn't shown on Sky, there is no benefit for anyone in not showing it.
Victorian Posted May 5 Posted May 5 Just now, meister said: I'd be stunned if this game wasn't shown on Sky, there is no benefit for anyone in not showing it. This. Surely the entire purpose of having a special dispensation option is to exercise it in exceptional circumstances. They may well be holding off to see the situation after the weekend. Would seem reasonable.
meister Posted May 5 Posted May 5 1 minute ago, Victorian said: This. Surely the entire purpose of having a special dispensation option is to exercise it in exceptional circumstances. They may well be holding off to see the situation after the weekend. Would seem reasonable. Agreed, they'll see how we do against Motherwell, and if it's positive then I'd expect Hearts and the SPFL to allow it.
JJ93 Posted May 5 Posted May 5 Even if Celtic beat Rangers we can win the league v Falkirk if Motherwell take anything from Celtic which is on at the exact same time… so it must be shown on Sky.
Squirt Posted May 5 Posted May 5 It’ll be on Sky. Suits Sky, suits the league, suits Hearts. Hearts will get some money and the chance to have a huge audience watch us create history. It’s an absolute no brainer and I can’t see Hearts being difficult to deal with in the slightest over it.
Glamorgan Jambo Posted May 5 Posted May 5 Sky would likely want to show our game and Ra Selleck game but not at the same time. Which would mean our game being brought forward 24 hours until Tuesday. It’ll be a tough call for the club to make.
chrystaf Posted May 5 Posted May 5 1 hour ago, OTT said: Yeah, the way Scottish football is run is very bowling club committee in all the worst ways. Should really take a leaf out of our book, and have the league as "club owned, but not club ran". Too many cooks in the kitchen. I've said this before, but if we're going to employ a CEO and pay him north of £400k pa, then he needs to be unshackled to get the best deal for the clubs. It sounds like too many clubs have differing agendas and this is hamstringing us being able to get a decent deal. We've been left in the dust by nations like Norway and Sweden who are hardly trendy leagues people are falling over themselves to watch - yet clearly a big TV deal is viable for them. The best deal for Scotland, may not be the best deal for the OF, and because of this stupid voting system, we're unable to actually lift clubs up naturally as the league grows. Absolutely. And that archaic voting system also hinders any chance of league reconstruction.
OmiyaHearts Posted May 5 Posted May 5 1 hour ago, Seaside Dave said: So the sky schedule says tba for Wednesdays night game. Are we saying a possible game to win the title can't be shown ? Wtf It's basically up to Hearts. SPFL will obviously allow it but decision is down to us, as we could PPV it.
vegas-voss Posted May 5 Posted May 5 1 hour ago, meister said: Doncaster's hands have been tied for his entire tenure by the fact that all Scotland had to offer was Rangers V Celtic as a spectacle (I know that's not all we have ot offer, but as far as anyone outside Scotland is concerned). I'm by no means a fan of his but he's been pissing with the c*ck he was given for years now. The real test of his mettle will be now that there is a genuine, and foreseeable, new entrant into the title race, what kind of deal he can get from Sky. Now we'll get to see what he's made of. What annoys me with him is the size of the rise he seems to get out of each of these deals for what seems like very little.
upgotheheads Posted May 5 Posted May 5 2 minutes ago, Glamorgan Jambo said: Sky would likely want to show our game and Ra Selleck game but not at the same time. Which would mean our game being brought forward 24 hours until Tuesday. It’ll be a tough call for the club to make. It's an odd situation. I had assumed that the games all being 8 pm kickoffs was to allow one of them to be picked for TV without giving an advantage to the others of knowing what they needed to do. If our game is switched to Tuesday, the Mankhs could know that just avoiding defeat against Motherwell would give them an advantage against us, or even that they ned a barrowload of goals to even up the goal difference. If it's down to Hearts to make the decision, I'm sure that they will be showing the Hearts game.
vegas-voss Posted May 5 Posted May 5 1 hour ago, Hesh said: Should be asking sky for a decent wad to show it Nah we shouldn't we just want as big an audience as can be to see it.
Bill Sikes Posted May 5 Posted May 5 Strange, the amount of abuse SKY has had on here over the decades. Surprised anyone really cares . . . 😀😀😀😀
hereford_hearts Posted May 5 Posted May 5 2 minutes ago, Famous 1874 said: I'd expect a 7 figure sum to Hearts for it The English prem deal pools the pot and distributes it equally for games shown, which is roughly £1-2m, plus each team gets a base payment of £90m.
El Prez Posted May 5 Posted May 5 Over 674k watched the last match between us, where Rangers won 4-2. 1.1 million for the last OF match. PPV is £12.99, say? 674k aren't going to individually pay that, obviously. Hearts have a decent card to play however. A deal will be made with SKY. Absolutely no drama there.
Cruyff Posted May 5 Posted May 5 Indeed. Its a huge problem for them if we consistently finish in the top 2.
kila Posted May 5 Posted May 5 It'll be on Sky, and sold to the international market. PPV would hinder all that.
FarmerTweedy Posted May 5 Posted May 5 1 hour ago, JJ93 said: Even if Celtic beat Rangers we can win the league v Falkirk if Motherwell take anything from Celtic which is on at the exact same time… so it must be shown on Sky. Not if we lose at Motherwell.
FarmerTweedy Posted May 5 Posted May 5 34 minutes ago, Glamorgan Jambo said: Sky would likely want to show our game and Ra Selleck game but not at the same time. Which would mean our game being brought forward 24 hours until Tuesday. It’ll be a tough call for the club to make. Both games are, and will be staying, on the Wednesday. There's absolutely zero chance of any games being rescheduled at this stage. If Sky want to show both of them (and they agree the necessary deal to show our game), they'll show them both, at the same time. They happen to have more than one sports channel to show games on!
FarmerTweedy Posted May 5 Posted May 5 26 minutes ago, upgotheheads said: It's an odd situation. I had assumed that the games all being 8 pm kickoffs was to allow one of them to be picked for TV without giving an advantage to the others of knowing what they needed to do. If our game is switched to Tuesday, the Mankhs could know that just avoiding defeat against Motherwell would give them an advantage against us, or even that they ned a barrowload of goals to even up the goal difference. If it's down to Hearts to make the decision, I'm sure that they will be showing the Hearts game. Our game isn't being switched to the Tuesday.
RudiSkacelsLeftPeg Posted May 5 Posted May 5 (edited) Hearts Falkirk Is on premier. Mulgrew getting to watch us win the league… 😎 Edited May 5 by RudiSkacelsLeftPeg
El Prez Posted May 5 Posted May 5 Just now, FarmerTweedy said: Both games are, and will be staying, on the Wednesday. There's absolutely zero chance of any games being rescheduled at this stage. If Sky want to show both of them (and they agree the necessary deal to show our game), they'll show them both, at the same time. They happen to have more than one sports channel to show games on! They've had all English Championship/League 1 & 2 on simultaneously. So they'd not struggle. Man City & Crystal Palace are on that night at 8pm. So that'll be on Main Event. Stockport vs Stevenage on the same time too. That could go on SKY/SKY+ HD. Then you're left with SKY Football channel. Can easily red button that for an SPL game of choice. Gimme a job, SKY schedulers.
Jambo-Fox Posted May 5 Posted May 5 44 minutes ago, Glamorgan Jambo said: Sky would likely want to show our game and Ra Selleck game but not at the same time. Which would mean our game being brought forward 24 hours until Tuesday. It’ll be a tough call for the club to make. No games will be getting switched, dates and times are all announced for rounds 37 & 38. And planes, trains & hotels are all booked ..
Mikey1874 Posted May 5 Posted May 5 21 minutes ago, kila said: It'll be on Sky, and sold to the international market. PPV would hinder all that. I think the point is currently on the rules they set its up to Hearts first to decide what happens. With Covid etc I think this was a compromise to help the clubs make some money from PPV.
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted May 5 Posted May 5 I'll stream it on my OPPO A19 for a subscription to the Gorgie Fish Bar and a room on Saturday 16th
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted May 5 Posted May 5 Joking aside, I dont think Premier have rights to Top 6 games
79points Posted May 5 Posted May 5 50 minutes ago, heartsfc_fan said: Maybe the BBC could offer a quid and a mars bar and show it 🤣 Nah they want to see evidence of every Hearts fan having a tv license and an affidavit from their first pet.
JamboGraham Posted May 5 Posted May 5 (edited) Hearts can choose to allow an extra game. However there is no individual extra broadcast fee for Hearts, all broadcast rights are pooled. Obviously there is a money making opportunity for Hearts to reject and offer PPV. However I think that's massively risky. I don't think the infrastructure is there to guarantee the quality over what would be a huge volume compared to anything we have offered before (and even then it would be a fraction of a Sky audience). The sensible option would be to allow Sky in. Therefore giving all the additional cameras and infrastructure and ensuring that the widest possible audience across the UK (and beyond!) are able to view the next step of this incredible story. On this night of all nights the last thing the club need is the stress of bolting on PPV. Edited May 5 by JamboGraham
AlimOzturk Posted May 5 Posted May 5 2 minutes ago, JamboGraham said: Hearts can choose to allow an extra game. However there is no individual extra broadcast fee for Hearts, all broadcast rights are pooled. Obviously there is a money making opportunity for Hearts to reject and offer PPV. However I think that's massively risky. I don't think the infrastructure is there to guarantee the quality over what would be a huge volume compared to anything we have offered before (and even then it would be a fraction of a Sky audience). The sensible option would be to allow Sky in. Therefore giving all the additional cameras and infrastructure and ensuring that the widest possible audience across the UK (and beyond!) are able to view the next step of this incredible story. On this night of all nights the last thing the club need is the stress of bolting on PPV. ****ing ridiculous that we don’t benefit somewhat but have the chance to really put the SPFL on the map here. Doing it for the greater good - suppose that’s our club all over. If donkey and Co can’t sell this fairy tale story of hearts taking on the Glasgow giants then something is seriously wrong. When is the sky deal up?
jackal Posted May 5 Posted May 5 Tell sky to bolt. They prioritise the OF every season. Nearly every teams chosen home games by sky are against one of the OF regardless of what other games are on. Edinburgh derbies missed because something like Livi v Celtic is chosen instead. The club can ppv it and make cash as well as sticking a finger up to sky and Doncaster.
Ian Black 8 Posted May 5 Posted May 5 Cant blame people for having firesticks... 60 quid a year any ppv and any sports channel....
meister Posted May 5 Posted May 5 1 hour ago, vegas-voss said: What annoys me with him is the size of the rise he seems to get out of each of these deals for what seems like very little. And this is the problem, I suppose we don't actually know what he does. He acts on behalf of the clubs (certainly two of them anyway) so if they are happy with what he is providing then he gets the raise that the clubs agree when his contract comes up. My own personal feeling is if he delivers what is expected then no bonus, but if he delivers more than expected, then he gets the extra. I think what we should be demanding is that our clubs up their expectations of what he can provide and what our leagues offers to others outside of Scotland.
JamboGraham Posted May 5 Posted May 5 13 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said: ****ing ridiculous that we don’t benefit somewhat but have the chance to really put the SPFL on the map here. Doing it for the greater good - suppose that’s our club all over. If donkey and Co can’t sell this fairy tale story of hearts taking on the Glasgow giants then something is seriously wrong. When is the sky deal up? Latest deal was for 5 seasons (we are just ending season 2). To be fair the 5 games at each ground limit is rarely a problem and probably helps us all in general as Sky would simply show all Rangers/Celtic home games as well without it. Sky still have plenty overall matches available from their annual allowance, it's just that they have used all available slots for Tynecastle. I suspect if we see a regular 3 horse race then the next negotiations will look rather different. But neither party (Sky or SPFL) is in a position to renegotiate a contract just because the usual pattern of the league has been disrupted. Permission to show it now rests with Hearts and the SPFL. The only time a deal hasn't been done in this circumstance was our city neighbours who literally locked the gates with the broadcast trucks parked outside waiting to get in. Even then it's not really a deal to make, it's just giving permission. Hibs were worried it would take numbers off the gate, we don't have that. As said we could sell our own PPV but that would be enormously risky and bigger picture this being on a main broadcast channel is much better exposure for Hearts.
Dean Winchester Posted May 5 Posted May 5 Selfishly I'd like it to be on Sky so I can record it and if we win the title go home and rewatch it at 5am when I finally fall in the door utterly pished
FarmerTweedy Posted May 5 Posted May 5 21 minutes ago, JamboGraham said: Hearts can choose to allow an extra game. However there is no individual extra broadcast fee for Hearts, all broadcast rights are pooled. Obviously there is a money making opportunity for Hearts to reject and offer PPV. However I think that's massively risky. I don't think the infrastructure is there to guarantee the quality over what would be a huge volume compared to anything we have offered before (and even then it would be a fraction of a Sky audience). The sensible option would be to allow Sky in. Therefore giving all the additional cameras and infrastructure and ensuring that the widest possible audience across the UK (and beyond!) are able to view the next step of this incredible story. On this night of all nights the last thing the club need is the stress of bolting on PPV. You're correct in what you say about the existing TV deals, but for the Falkirk game, a separate agreement will have to be reached, and there's no reason why that couldn't involve a fee to Hearts as well as some money going to the SPFL's communal pot, especially if we have the right to broadcast the game ourselves through ppv and keep the revenue from that for ourselves! I'm sure all parties will want the game to be shown on Sky, and a deal will be done.
JamboGraham Posted May 5 Posted May 5 3 minutes ago, Scott Leitch said: Of course it will be on sky. Nothing story. That is the almost certain outcome...
simplesimon Posted May 5 Posted May 5 Sky are probably planning to show the Motherwell Celtic game, this could be an opportunity for a big pay for view windfall for us
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