Jamestown players so far

[NottsJambo]

Have started a thread on this before but abandoned it as I thought it'd cause too much grief, but I can't help thinking about the impact of players brought in using Jamestown (so far).

 

Aside from Braga and Milne it's not been overwhelming, but then we're top so maybe i'm wrong? 

 

I've graded them based on impact, not ability.

 

Schwollow- 7
Borchgrevink - 0
Altena - 4
Findlay - 7
McCart - 6
Milne - 9
Steinwender - 6
Magnusson- 7
McEntee - 6
Chesnokov- 2
Kerjota - 4
Kyrzidis- 7
Mato - 0
Kabore - 5
Kabangu- 4
Braga - 9

Ageu - 0

 

I think a fair few will come good next season but only 2 would be in my shortlist for best players this season. Thoughts?

[Romulus]

4 minutes ago, NottsJambo said:

Have started a thread on this before but abandoned it as I thought it'd cause too much grief, but I can't help thinking about the impact of players brought in using Jamestown (so far).

 

Aside from Braga and Milne it's not been overwhelming, but then we're top so maybe i'm wrong? 

 

I've graded them based on impact, not ability.

 

Schwollow- 7
Borchgrevink - 0
Altena - 4
Findlay - 7
McCart - 6
Milne - 9
Steinwender - 6
Magnusson- 7
McEntee - 6
Chesnokov- 2
Kerjota - 4
Kyrzidis- 7
Mato - 0
Kabore - 5
Kabangu- 4
Braga - 9

Ageu - 0

 

I think a fair few will come good next season but only 2 would be in my shortlist for best players this season. Thoughts?

I would take Findlay out as I don’t believe he was a JTA identified and signed player. Was DM own signing.

[Pasquale for King]

Just now, Romulus said:

I would take Findlay out as I don’t believe he was a JTA identified and signed player. Was DM own signing.

As was McEntee

[Pasquale for King]

Forgot Kartum

[Niemi’s gloves]

Kartum 1 (for his cup double last season, otherwise 0)

McEntee 7 rather than 6

Leonard 7 (weren’t Jamestown involved in his loan signing?)

[Romulus]

3 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

As was McEntee

Im sure he was highly rated by Jamestown

[jambostuart]

Not sure I agree with some of those ratings. 

 

Schwollow- 8 (saves against Celtic at Tynie were crucial)

 

Borchgrevnik - I agree on the basis we haven't seen him, not that he has been terrible

 

Altena - 6 has looked handy when he has played. 4 is harsh in my opinion

 

Findlay - 5 capable of a brain fart such as the one resulting in Halketts sending off. Gives me the fear

 

Mccart - 6 average at best

 

Milne - 7.5 Good player for sure but not a 9

 

Steinwender - 3. Not his fault he was played at RB but has been a nightmare whenever he has played

 

Magnusson - 6 not seen enough to make a better judgment 

 

McEntee - 7 good solid player always played out of position

 

Chesnokov - 3. Not seen enough but doesn't seem to have a position and is too hard in a tackle 

 

Kerjota - 6 should be starting

 

Kyzi - 5 at the start of the season maybe a 7 but form has fallen badly and a one trick pony

 

Mato - N/A not seen enough 

 

Kabore - 3 Tannadice aside looked poor

 

Kabangu - 3 not seen enough but not a game changer

 

Braga - 9 the next Skacel

 

Ageu - N/A not seen enough 

 

[Pasquale for King]

8 minutes ago, Romulus said:

Im sure he was highly rated by Jamestown

He was but McInnes confirmed he was on his radar at Kilmarnock, which obviously makes all kinds of sense. 

[Pasquale for King]

10 minutes ago, Niemi’s gloves said:

Kartum 1 (for his cup double last season, otherwise 0)

McEntee 7 rather than 6

Leonard 7 (weren’t Jamestown involved in his loan signing?)

Leonard definitely, ex Brighton player. 

[Romulus]

3 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

He was but McInnes confirmed he was on his radar at Kilmarnock, which obviously makes all kinds of sense. 

Ah, fair enough, didn’t know that.

[KariHMFC]

Love these reactive threads 

[Anti VAR Association]

Braga, Milne, Leonard (loan) and maybe Schwollow.

 

In fact if it wasn’t for Braga the pitchforks might have been out. 
 

Report card = could do better

[Cruyff]

Schwollow- 7
Borchgrevink - 0
Altena - 4
Findlay - 7
McCart - 6
Milne - 9
Steinwender - 6
Magnusson- 6
McEntee - 7
Chesnokov- 2
Kerjota - 2
Kyrzidis- 7
Mato - 0
Kabore - 4
Kabangu- 4
Braga - 9

Ageu - 0

 

On the whole, pretty pish. 

[fila]

This is the beauty of a football forum, everyone has different reactions to results etc.

 

The one on Hearts Standard is funny , the apoplectic responses to the OP , when they are only venting their feelings ! 

[Penrices left boot]

Impact of the new signings is a worthy discussion, imo we definitely did not maximise January, 2 or 3 really impactful signings cold have kicked us on.

Only Leonard made a lasting impact and he replaced injured players so the squad wasn't improved.

 

Chesnokov at a 2 is very reactive tho, hes looked OK and recently scored the winner for us.

 

Ague had the potential ti really elevate the midfield, but injuries ****ed that.

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

mcentee was recommended by jta - fact

 

del may have been aware of the player but so what - im sure del knew who marc leonard was that doesnt mean he sourced him nor josh mcpake

 

 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

54 minutes ago, Romulus said:

Ah, fair enough, didn’t know that.

 

it doesnt mean hes a del signing tho - do you think del knows who josh mcpake is do you think hes noticed all his goals and assists this season do you think del signed him too - i dont mean you personally i mean thats the logic

 

someone copied studf to the mcentee thread (probably) recently showing what really happened following this del-signed-mcentee myth being aired for the umpteenth time

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

all these apparent poor signings yet the manager getting stick for not playing them and still top of the league with only 6 games to go - del must be some gaffer

[Pasquale for King]

34 minutes ago, Anti VAR Association said:

Braga, Milne, Leonard (loan) and maybe Schwollow.

 

In fact if it wasn’t for Braga the pitchforks might have been out. 
 

Report card = could do better

Kyzi too, others not coached well enough or integrated quickly enough.

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Romulus said:

Ah, fair enough, didn’t know that.

I think he said it when he signed.
He asks them for a type and they give him options, McEntee was obviously one he fancied for a while, like most things some others don’t grasp how it works even now. 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

12 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

I think he said it when he signed.
He asks them for a type and they give him options, McEntee was obviously one he fancied for a while, like most things some others don’t grasp how it works even now. 

 

you are literally defeating your own arguement

if del sourced mcentee rather than ask for a type (that as you say is the norm) he woulld have said i know who i want its oisin mcentee how does he score ? thats what happened with findlay but not mcentee

 

 

[joondalupjambo]

Is it not about the sum of all the parts?

 

[EH11 2NL]

It was always gonna start with lower quality finding the gems, Milne, Braga and Kyzi for example. It's like cumulative interest, it'll accelerate away in a few years time. Look at USG transfers for evidence of how quickly it'll move. We are still shopping in the bargain bin but that won't last forever. 

[selkirkhmfc1874]

Far too early to judge , after a pre season I think some of those players will show up well and also this summers recruitment is crucial where we need signings ready to hit the ground running and not players who take 3 or 4 months to get upto speed

[hearts00]

9 hours ago, NottsJambo said:

Have started a thread on this before but abandoned it as I thought it'd cause too much grief, but I can't help thinking about the impact of players brought in using Jamestown (so far).

 

Aside from Braga and Milne it's not been overwhelming, but then we're top so maybe i'm wrong? 

 

I've graded them based on impact, not ability.

 

Schwollow- 7
Borchgrevink - 0
Altena - 4
Findlay - 7
McCart - 6
Milne - 9
Steinwender - 6
Magnusson- 7
McEntee - 6
Chesnokov- 2
Kerjota - 4
Kyrzidis- 7
Mato - 0
Kabore - 5
Kabangu- 4
Braga - 9

Ageu - 0

 

I think a fair few will come good next season but only 2 would be in my shortlist for best players this season. Thoughts?

I also have an issue with McEntee and Findlay being described as JTA signings.  Although we have been assured that Milne was.  I know it is nuanced as to how we operate with JTA but they are both McInnes signings. 

[hearts00]

This thread was started because of what we are all feeling and know. We needed one more JTA signing to really step up and make a difference for us this season in the RB, midfield (central annd wide) aread and it hasn’t happened. 

[hearts00]

11 minutes ago, EH11 2NL said:

It was always gonna start with lower quality finding the gems, Milne, Braga and Kyzi for example. It's like cumulative interest, it'll accelerate away in a few years time. Look at USG transfers for evidence of how quickly it'll move. We are still shopping in the bargain bin but that won't last forever. 

That’s the hope but there are no guarantees to your last sentence. Wage bill has to go up 25% for this to happen and there are no guarantees that will be possible. 

[tiger Rudi]

7 hours ago, Cruyff said:

Schwollow- 7
Borchgrevink - 0
Altena - 4
Findlay - 7
McCart - 6
Milne - 9
Steinwender - 6
Magnusson- 6
McEntee - 7
Chesnokov- 2
Kerjota - 2
Kyrzidis- 7
Mato - 0
Kabore - 4
Kabangu- 4
Braga - 9

Ageu - 0

 

On the whole, pretty pish. 

Pish? In comparison to what? Rangers and Celtic spending millions and being able to bring in ready to go additions in January?

 

JTA hasn't suddenly brought in dosh that we can blow on the next Rudi. It's a gradual process. I don't care if the OF have been poor in comparison to previous seasons, the fact we are competing in our first season with JTA is an achievement in itself.

 

[Taffin]

Mixed bag. Similar split of good contributions and poor contributions as the previous model...maybe slightly worse and more expensive but much of a muchness.

[tiger Rudi]

Before JTA all we wanted was to be the 3rd best team in the league, increase the gap between us and the rest, whilst trying to close the gap with the top 2.

We are 13 PTS ahead of a Motherwell team who have been lauded all season for their play. 

I'd say in our first season with JTA we have achieved both. 

Whatever happens in the last 6 games why can't everybody be positive and see the bigger picture here? 

We actually still have a chance of winning this and loads are just whining and greetin' about a supposedly shit manager, shit players, some even moaning about our own fans that won't stand at games or that they don't sing enough😭😱 Mental, just mental.

[NottsJambo]

8 hours ago, KariHMFC said:

Love these reactive threads 

That's kind of why I hesitated before posting.we are top of the league, on course for something miraculous, i'm just really curious to understand what's got us here. It has to be in great part down to JTA, but only a few of the signings have had real impact (and I do mean impact, not whether they are any good).

 

As others have said, we are only at the beginning. Quality will improve AND some of those already here will find their feet.

[soonbe110]

8 hours ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

all these apparent poor signings yet the manager getting stick for not playing them and still top of the league with only 6 games to go - del must be some gaffer

Was thinking exactly the same.  The ratings on this thread suggest that our league position is virtually all down to the manager.  He has worked wonders with these JTA duds.  Needs to be merged with the Del thread. 

[Pingu]

We'll probably never know the answer to this, but I wonder how JTA pass / fail score calibration works. We're told that players either pass or fail the scoring system. But presumably a passing score for Brighton is different from a passing score for Hearts. So who sets the pass mark and how? It might not be a single number. It might well be based on a whole range of input variables. But, regardless, a decision has to be made as to what is a good enough score or set of scores for Hearts, Brighton, USG etc.

 

And does that imply that our level of ambition is a factor? Are we looking for players that are simply good enough to improve the squad relative to what we have in those positions? Or good enough to challenge for a title? Or something else?

 

I also wonder if the calibration will get better over time as the club and JTA better understand what is needed, for us, in our league.

[Debut 4]

It shows how high the bar is.   Imagine we were mid table and this thread existed!

 

Bottom line is, it just takes 3, 4 players and a good manager to gel with what was already here. Like it always has in football.  No way every signing was going to be a success or have a significant impact.   Some need to calm their expectations of JTA.   
 

Managing all that has been the key.  Maybe DM deserves more credit than he’s getting at the moment given the microscope hanging over him?

 

I think it shows that DM deserves his second season amid the criticism to further develop the squad and fine tune it.  We’d be saying he deserves it if he was miles from challenging but on the verge of achieving top 3,4.  

Edited April 7 by Debut 4

[Bill Sikes]

14 minutes ago, Pingu said:

We'll probably never know the answer to this, but I wonder how JTA pass / fail score calibration works. We're told that players either pass or fail the scoring system. But presumably a passing score for Brighton is different from a passing score for Hearts. So who sets the pass mark and how? It might not be a single number. It might well be based on a whole range of input variables. But, regardless, a decision has to be made as to what is a good enough score or set of scores for Hearts, Brighton, USG etc.

 

And does that imply that our level of ambition is a factor? Are we looking for players that are simply good enough to improve the squad relative to what we have in those positions? Or good enough to challenge for a title? Or something else?

 

I also wonder if the calibration will get better over time as the club and JTA better understand what is needed, for us, in our league.

 

Highlighted Is the correct answer. 

 

Brighton don't use Jamestown. 

 

Buy low, sell high. That's all we really know and will find out soon if it works. 

[RustyRightPeg]

9 hours ago, jambostuart said:

Not sure I agree with some of those ratings. 

 

Schwollow- 8 (saves against Celtic at Tynie were crucial)

 

Borchgrevnik - I agree on the basis we haven't seen him, not that he has been terrible

 

Altena - 6 has looked handy when he has played. 4 is harsh in my opinion

 

Findlay - 5 capable of a brain fart such as the one resulting in Halketts sending off. Gives me the fear

 

Mccart - 6 average at best

 

Milne - 7.5 Good player for sure but not a 9

 

Steinwender - 3. Not his fault he was played at RB but has been a nightmare whenever he has played

 

Magnusson - 6 not seen enough to make a better judgment 

 

McEntee - 7 good solid player always played out of position

 

Chesnokov - 3. Not seen enough but doesn't seem to have a position and is too hard in a tackle 

 

Kerjota - 6 should be starting

 

Kyzi - 5 at the start of the season maybe a 7 but form has fallen badly and a one trick pony

 

Mato - N/A not seen enough 

 

Kabore - 3 Tannadice aside looked poor

 

Kabangu - 3 not seen enough but not a game changer

 

Braga - 9 the next Skacel

 

Ageu - N/A not seen enough 

 

McCart higher than Findlay?

[Bungalow Bill]

17 minutes ago, Bill Sikes said:

Brighton don't use Jamestown. 

I thought they did? And also the reason why Ipswich couldn’t use it last year in the EPL. 

[Robbo-Jambo]

9 hours ago, Cruyff said:

Schwollow- 7
Borchgrevink - 0
Altena - 4
Findlay - 7
McCart - 6
Milne - 9
Steinwender - 6
Magnusson- 6
McEntee - 7
Chesnokov- 2
Kerjota - 2
Kyrzidis- 7
Mato - 0
Kabore - 4
Kabangu- 4
Braga - 9

Ageu - 0

 

On the whole, pretty pish. 

Fair marking all round there. 

[The Treasurer]

10 hours ago, NottsJambo said:

Have started a thread on this before but abandoned it as I thought it'd cause too much grief, but I can't help thinking about the impact of players brought in using Jamestown (so far).

 

Aside from Braga and Milne it's not been overwhelming, but then we're top so maybe i'm wrong? 

 

I've graded them based on impact, not ability.

 

Schwollow- 7
Borchgrevink - 0
Altena - 4
Findlay - 7
McCart - 6
Milne - 9
Steinwender - 6
Magnusson- 7
McEntee - 6
Chesnokov- 2
Kerjota - 4
Kyrzidis- 7
Mato - 0
Kabore - 5
Kabangu- 4
Braga - 9

Ageu - 0

 

I think a fair few will come good next season but only 2 would be in my shortlist for best players this season. Thoughts?

Steinweinder and McEntee deserve higher ratings, also Kerjota has made some important contributions in his limited game time 

[johnking123]

Don't forget. Jamestown only do so much. Its up to the coaches and our sports director to feed the players he wants. Do feel some players are not getting a fair ride out of it though. Kyrzidis form dropped and every time Kerjota comes on, He does add something. That cross of his is wicked. Players getting pushed into positions unnatural to them, just because he wants hight. Seems to have 15 players he likes.

[soonbe110]

23 minutes ago, Bungalow Bill said:

I thought they did? And also the reason why Ipswich couldn’t use it last year in the EPL. 

That’s what was reported. 

[CMc]

10 hours ago, NottsJambo said:

Have started a thread on this before but abandoned it as I thought it'd cause too much grief, but I can't help thinking about the impact of players brought in using Jamestown (so far).

 

Aside from Braga and Milne it's not been overwhelming, but then we're top so maybe i'm wrong? 

 

I've graded them based on impact, not ability.

 

Schwollow- 7
Borchgrevink - 0
Altena - 4
Findlay - 7
McCart - 6
Milne - 9
Steinwender - 6
Magnusson- 7
McEntee - 6
Chesnokov- 2
Kerjota - 4
Kyrzidis- 7
Mato - 0
Kabore - 5
Kabangu- 4
Braga - 9

Ageu - 0

 

I think a fair few will come good next season but only 2 would be in my shortlist for best players this season. Thoughts?

I’d give extra marks to Schwollow, Findlay, McEntee and Kyzi. 
 

Findlay and Schwollow have both made a couple of mistakes but have been essential to the clean sheets. Feel like if we’d had Alex from the start of the season we’d have 4-6 more points just now. 
 

McEntee and Finlay have had some extremely important goal contributions as well. 
 

Kyzi has been over played in the same way as Shankland and Devlin. It was just his form that broke not his ankle or hamstring. 

[johnking123]

42 minutes ago, Bill Sikes said:

 

Highlighted Is the correct answer. 

 

Brighton don't use Jamestown. 

 

Buy low, sell high. That's all we really know and will find out soon if it works. 

Brighton absolute do use Jamestown 

[spacerjoe]

9 hours ago, Cruyff said:

On the whole, pretty pish. 

 

Its literally going to end up being our most successful transfer window ever.

[fast_blood]

How can people score Kerjota higher than Chesnokov? 

 

Chesnokov has clearly done more in his limited minutes. I get he's maybe been disappointing to a degree as our expectations were very high.

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

1 hour ago, hearts00 said:

I also have an issue with McEntee and Findlay being described as JTA signings.  Although we have been assured that Milne was.  I know it is nuanced as to how we operate with JTA but they are both McInnes signings. 

 

mcentee was no more a del signing than kabore or josh mcpake

 

jta sourced and recommened - del already knew about him as he will have known about josh mcpake and lots of others who dont come from obscure (to us) leagues around the planet

 

a textbook jta recommendation based on undervalued potential in his ‘new’ position

 

 

[hmfc_liam06]

14 minutes ago, johnking123 said:

Don't forget. Jamestown only do so much. Its up to the coaches and our sports director to feed the players he wants. Do feel some players are not getting a fair ride out of it though. Kyrzidis form dropped and every time Kerjota comes on, He does add something. That cross of his is wicked. Players getting pushed into positions unnatural to them, just because he wants hight. Seems to have 15 players he likes.

 

I think it's absolutely fair to question how we are utilising it. Clearly JTA works, but some of the decisions we've made in both recruitment and integration are questionable, at best.

[Bill Sikes]

33 minutes ago, Bungalow Bill said:

I thought they did? And also the reason why Ipswich couldn’t use it last year in the EPL. 

 

I believe Brighton use Starlizard, but Jamestown is the sister company of Starlizard.

 

Starlizard is highlighted as the data company behind The Albion and the one that made all the money, Jamestown being the offshoot and the one being used by other clubs in different countries and leagues.

 

 

 

[Do The Dance]

Mental scores. These players have raised us from bottom 6 to top of the league. Easy to criticise, but have a little perspective.

 

I'd argue that not having someone like what we hope Ageu to be, and maybe another striker not being signed in January is why we've not run away with this league.

[johnking123]

1 minute ago, Bill Sikes said:

 

I believe Brighton use Starlizard, but Jamestown is the sister company of Starlizard.

 

Starlizard is highlighted as the data company behind The Albion and the one that made all the money, Jamestown being the offshoot and the one being used by other clubs in different countries and leagues.

 

 

 

Starlizard is the gambling side of thing. Two different entities these days.