Mato

[vegas-voss]

4 minutes ago, Diadora Van Basten said:

Mato is an odd one from what I have seen off him so far he doesn’t look good enough for the first team but is also taking up a place on the bench that could be used by Forrest or Kabangu.

Barely seen him.To be honest we don't see much of any of them so we probably shouldn't be too judgemental.Its frustrating more than anything imo but I suppose you could say if these guys were looking incredible in training they would be playing.

 

And I say that as someone wanting to see more of these guys.

Edited April 6 by vegas-voss

[Jamhammer]

3 hours ago, RustyRightPeg said:

Jesus christ 

Right?

Lunacy

[jr ewing]

6 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

That's the point I was hinting at earlier.  Something seems wrong.  Is it JTA or is it DM? 
PS  These are questions rather than opinion.

I would check on the players first. 

[south morocco]

14 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

I have seen centrebacks get ripped for us all season.How about focusing on what he can add going forward as that is a big role of the modern fullback

I have not questioned his going forward attributes so I don’t know why you are asking that?? 
It is obvious he is not selected for his defensive strengths. 

[WASTREL]

43 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

Do you honestly think McInnes who all season has played a big centre half type is just suddenly going to Altena there next season

Yes

[vegas-voss]

6 minutes ago, south morocco said:

I have not questioned his going forward attributes so I don’t know why you are asking that?? 
It is obvious he is not selected for his defensive strengths. 

But you are saying you don't see him as a RB purely on his defensive play.Its obvious he is not being played as McInnes likes a big guy being it a centrebacks or any type of makeshift as long as he is 6 feet plus playing there.

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

47 minutes ago, CM Funk said:

He’s getting slaughtered for what he’s currently doing and rightly so. I also don’t think he cares really what the fans want. He’ll play who he wants to play and he’ll justify it in his mind it was the right thing to do. Earlier in the season he’d admit to getting some line up choices or tactics incorrect, he generally hasn’t done that for a while though. Doubling down almost.

 

weve had 3 disappointing results st mirren killie and livi - after the st mirren game del described it as something like a poor performance also adding that he didnt have his best night there either so shared in the responsibility of that poor performance - thats not long ago

 

 

[south morocco]

Just now, vegas-voss said:

But you are saying you don't see him as a RB purely on his defensive play.Its obvious he is not being played as McInnes likes a big guy being it a centrebacks or any type of makeshift as long as he is 6 feet plus playing there.

I have no idea what he’s like apart from Tannadice when he was hooked. Merely making the point the management don’t have the confidence to play him as a defender, at the moment. I hope he comes a good obviously. We need stability there. It will be a patch up job now for the rest of the season 

[Morgan]

4 hours ago, Chaps said:

Can’t be any worse than Kzyi who has been ineffective for months.

[cazzyy]

29 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

But not as stupid as yours.  I didn't say JTA are probably finished, either previously or after "this failure"..

Your sarcasm obviously doesn't do you any favours when it comes to reading English.

 

It's overrated though eh?

 

Top of the league mate, that's a very high bar for it to be classed as overrated and that's before you look at what they have done elsewhere.

 

Stupid is as stupid does.

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

2 minutes ago, south morocco said:

I have no idea what he’s like apart from Tannadice when he was hooked. Merely making the point the management don’t have the confidence to play him as a defender, at the moment. I hope he comes a good obviously. We need stability there. It will be a patch up job now for the rest of the season 

 

 

he wasnt hooked at tannadice as that gane quickly developed into a one-sided affair that we didnt really need any defenders to do much

 

he was maybe hooked at dens after the sending off 🤷‍♂️

[south morocco]

Just now, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

 

 

he wasnt hooked at tannadice as that gane quickly developed into a one-sided affair that we didnt really need any defenders to do much

 

he was maybe hooked at dens after the sending off 🤷‍♂️

Sorry. My mistake 

[1874Jambo]

1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said:

Someone should ask the Head Coach at one of these cosy gatherings, would any of us recognise him if he said hello. 

Unfortunately sked and anderson don't seem to want to ask any pressing questions and upset our head coach

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

1 minute ago, south morocco said:

Sorry. My mistake 

 

😀👍

 

i cant remember 100% about dens but i think you are right just wrong game

 

 

[soonbe110]

1 hour ago, jbee647 said:

If anyone paid any attention to the way JTA has been utilised at Brighton and USG then they will surely be aware both clubs buy players and slowly over 12 - 18 months, integrate these players into the side, very few are immediately put into the starting XI, Primrose David being an example a player who was signed from Estonian football, who took a number of months before he became a regular starter at USG, he is now being quoted for sale at €20m, also a number of examples at Brighton who were slowly introduced to the first team before becoming regulars in the side.

JTA is not a 100% foolprooof cheat code and there will be failures along the road, but we as a fan base have to buy into it 100%, and not chuck the toys out the pram at the first bump in the road 

JTA know what they are doing, and know when a player is ready, a lot more than wee fat jock in Section P

Good post    Will take a while for some to get  the JTA approach 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

1 minute ago, 1874Jambo said:

Unfortunately sked and anderson don't seem to want to ask any pressing questions and upset our head coach

 

with 6 games to go what is the point other than putting pressure on the manager and giving the outside media a chance to try to create a divide within hearts at the worst possible time

 

being questioned isnt going to change dels thoughts - i dont agree with plenty he does but i dont really want the media or the fans picking the team either

 

i agree this should have all been robustly questioned about 2 months ago

 

 

 

 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

2 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Good post    Will take a while for some to get  the JTA approach 

 

some think you can develop a player in a couple of months

 

[Rudy T]

IMO he’s too lightweight, he’ll get thrown about like an empty crisp bag. Needs to get down the gym with Braga who can show him how it’s done.

[Portable Badger]

3 hours ago, davie1980 said:

I think we need to see more of him off the bench.

 

Much like Kabore, who is clumsy, a bit chaotic but brings height and physicality 

I reckon Mato, bringing pace and strength with 20 minutes to go really adds something to a game that opponents struggle to deal with.

 

I'd rather see those two given 20 minutes than Spittal and Beni given 4. They have attributes that can really trouble tired defences.

Do you reckon Vargas should be back at the club - brought unpredictability & chaos while contributing a few goals? Still has 1-2 years left on his contract.

[cazzyy]

46 minutes ago, Lord Beni of Gorgie said:

Suspect all of our January signings will be better next season for the 7/8 months getting used to their environment. Chasing the league its not that helpful, long term planning it probably looks a bit different, not what people want in the era of instant gratification.

 

There's dafties who think this season is our one and only chance of winning the league. 

[Drylaw Hearts]

We need to strengthen in January and we just didn’t.

 

I think it’s going to cost us…..which is pretty frustrating.

 

 

[Pasquale for King]

12 minutes ago, 1874Jambo said:

Unfortunately sked and anderson don't seem to want to ask any pressing questions and upset our head coach

I think they take turns of licking his arse tbh, club propaganda. 

[Pasquale for King]

6 minutes ago, Rudy T said:

IMO he’s too lightweight, he’ll get thrown about like an empty crisp bag. Needs to get down the gym with Braga who can show him how it’s done.

If that’s the case then he should’ve been given a programme and be ready by now. 

[soonbe110]

8 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

 

some think you can develop a player in a couple of months

 

Yes, Brighton, USG, Como all became great overnight 

[Pasquale for King]

55 minutes ago, Lord Beni of Gorgie said:

Suspect all of our January signings will be better next season for the 7/8 months getting used to their environment. Chasing the league its not that helpful, long term planning it probably looks a bit different, not what people want in the era of instant gratification.

Will we not be chasing the league next season? Did Schwolow, Braga and Kyzi need 7-8 months to get used to the environment?

[Tokyo Drifter]

4 hours ago, mr fox said:

Seen videos of him may be fast but his first touch doesn’t look great 

Time will tell but the signings haven’t contributed much

Haven't seen anything from him yet that merits more than 14 minutes. Difficult coming in mid-season though. Hopefully he'll kick on next season.

[cazzyy]

1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said:

Will we not be chasing the league next season? Did Schwolow, Braga and Kyzi need 7-8 months to get used to the environment?

 

Pretty sure JTA have different types of targets in the January window, more long term projects as the market for good to go players in January does not provide value unlike Sumner.

 

Don't ask me to provide evidence of this, take it or don't take it.

[Pasquale for King]

28 minutes ago, south morocco said:

I have no idea what he’s like apart from Tannadice when he was hooked. Merely making the point the management don’t have the confidence to play him as a defender, at the moment. I hope he comes a good obviously. We need stability there. It will be a patch up job now for the rest of the season 

He was hooked? Subbed after 73 minutes in a game we had a clean sheet? Milne went off after 73 minutes, was he “hooked” too?

[soonbe110]

4 hours ago, JamboAl said:

I'm starting to think Jamestown is overrated

or

DM just doesn't know how to best utilise the players he's been given.  

Over-rated???

Brighton top half still in with chance of Europe in toughest league

USG look like winning league again

Como fourth and heading for Champions League

Hearts top with six games left

 

Its actually over-achieving rather than over-rated. 
 

As for your second point lots of players signed by JTA clubs are not signed for immediate action.  Lead-in time for many can be 6-9 months.  Braga and Kyzi have been a surprise given where they came from and probably became regulars ahead of schedule given McInnes comments early in season.  Kabore, Altena, Mato, Kerjota all examples of JTA planning ahead. 

[sac]

2 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Over-rated???

Brighton top half still in with chance of Europe in toughest league

USG look like winning league again

Como fourth and heading for Champions League

Hearts top with six games left

 

Its actually over-achieving rather than over-rated. 
 

As for your second point lots of players signed by JTA clubs are not signed for immediate action.  Lead-in time for many can be 6-9 months.  Braga and Kyzi have been a surprise given where they came from and probably became regulars ahead of schedule given McInnes comments early in season.  Kabore, Altena, Mato, Kerjota all examples of JTA planning ahead. 

Castellon, Melbourne Victory, & Grimsby are all doing pretty well too.

[Pasquale for King]

1 minute ago, cazzyy said:

 

Pretty sure JTA have different types of targets in the January window, more long term projects as the market for good to go players in January does not provide value unlike Sumner.

 

Don't ask me to provide evidence of this, take it or don't take it.

I would imagine there’s both, last January we had Milne/Steinwender/Kartum/Kabangu/McCart who were all ready to go, although Milne took until this season to play. 
Again though it’s up to McInnes to chose who comes, if he wanted a big striker or Right Back he should’ve insisted on that. 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

2 minutes ago, cazzyy said:

 

Pretty sure JTA have different types of targets in the January window, more long term projects as the market for good to go players in January does not provide value unlike Sumner.

 

Don't ask me to provide evidence of this, take it or don't take it.

 

yup not all targets are the same even in the summer - its (almost) incredible that schwalow (a goalie with a couple of hundred games in the bundesliga) could be compared to some prospect whos played a handful of games in some 4th tier somewhere

 

as braga has shown even some of the latter-types might hit the ground running but its not necessarily expected

 

 

 

[cazzyy]

3 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

I would imagine there’s both, last January we had Milne/Steinwender/Kartum/Kabangu/McCart who were all ready to go, although Milne took until this season to play. 
Again though it’s up to McInnes to chose who comes, if he wanted a big striker or Right Back he should’ve insisted on that. 

 

All fair enough although last season we were in desperate straits.

Edited April 6 by cazzyy

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

2 minutes ago, sac said:

Castellon, Melbourne Victory, & Grimsby are all doing pretty well too.

 

its been a tough few weeks but so are we

 

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

14 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Will we not be chasing the league next season? Did Schwolow, Braga and Kyzi need 7-8 months to get used to the environment?

Not everyone is the same, two had a preseason, the other is an experienced goalkeeper. Managing people, requires shades of grey and understanding

[Pasquale for King]

6 minutes ago, Lord Beni of Gorgie said:

Not everyone is the same, two had a preseason, the other is an experienced goalkeeper. Managing people, requires shades of grey and understanding

No shit, I do that for a living, if anyone isn’t fitting in or struggling you don’t cast them aside you work harder with them on any issues they have. 
It doesn’t seem like the coaches are doing that with the guys we bought in January, if they can’t or won’t they should’ve brought in guys ready to go like last January. 

[Cruyff]

Chesny, Kerjota, Kabore and Mato don't seem upto much tbh. 

[jbee647]

7 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

Chesny, Kerjota, Kabore and Mato don't seem upto much tbh. 

Be wiser to re visit this statement this time next year 

[Go for it 1308]

1 hour ago, 1874Jambo said:

Unfortunately sked and anderson don't seem to want to ask any pressing questions and upset our head coach

Exactly.  I noticed that watching Hearts Standard after the game yesterday.  Both of them far too scared and unwilling to criticise McInnes's usual 'far too late' substitutions. Very disappointed in both of them. They obviously don't want to upset McInnes or Hearts for fear of losing  major scoops. If they are reading this..."grow a set of balls lads" or just piss off

[CM Funk]

1 hour ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

 

weve had 3 disappointing results st mirren killie and livi - after the st mirren game del described it as something like a poor performance also adding that he didnt have his best night there either so shared in the responsibility of that poor performance - thats not long ago

 

 

Not saying he doesn’t say it at all. I just don’t think he’s as forthcoming with it as he used to be. And I feel he’s not protecting his players as much either. In fact before the game yesterday he had an interview with Sky and they asked about Shankland and whether intentional or not (I hope not) by talking about what the team was missing with Shankland being out he basically crapped all over Kabore. A guy he asked to play like Shankland when it’s not even his game. Shite like this isn’t much on its own but all these wee things mount up and get me more annoyed at him.

[RustyRightPeg]

16 minutes ago, jbee647 said:

Be wiser to re visit this statement this time next year 

Correct. Our league position is actually negatively clouding people’s judgement of these players. 
 

We are overachieving as things stand. 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Tokyo Drifter said:

Haven't seen anything from him yet that merits more than 14 minutes. Difficult coming in mid-season though. Hopefully he'll kick on next season.

In those whole 14 minutes you haven’t seen anything yet, have you informed JTA what useless ***** they are?

[EH11 2NL]

1 hour ago, vegas-voss said:

Barely seen him.To be honest we don't see much of any of them so we probably shouldn't be too judgemental.Its frustrating more than anything imo but I suppose you could say if these guys were looking incredible in training they would be playing.

 

And I say that as someone wanting to see more of these guys.

Exactly. Folk screaming for Chesny when he's not been in, look at that performance he gave us yesterday. 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

6 minutes ago, CM Funk said:

Not saying he doesn’t say it at all. I just don’t think he’s as forthcoming with it as he used to be. And I feel he’s not protecting his players as much either. In fact before the game yesterday he had an interview with Sky and they asked about Shankland and whether intentional or not (I hope not) by talking about what the team was missing with Shankland being out he basically crapped all over Kabore. A guy he asked to play like Shankland when it’s not even his game. Shite like this isn’t much on its own but all these wee things mount up and get me more annoyed at him.

yeah I know you said less rather than never type thing but realistically no manager is going to take the blame for 3 games in a row bar those who are about to get sacked and are at the apologising to the fans stage

 

im not sure he is to blame anyway for some of these games - there were 2 or 3 line ups I would have been happy with yesterday including the one that did start - I thought we played better yesterday in parts but the defence was poor and cost us 2 points and could have cost us 3 

yeah I agree to an extent about kabore - any comments about shankland should be more sympathetic towards kabore - he did the same with kabangu earlier in the season in fact stopping even mentioning him when kabore jumped above him - to be fair anytime either have played well he has been very complimentary about them

 

 

[cazzyy]

51 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

No shit, I do that for a living, if anyone isn’t fitting in or struggling you don’t cast them aside you work harder with them on any issues they have. 
It doesn’t seem like the coaches are doing that with the guys we bought in January, if they can’t or won’t they should’ve brought in guys ready to go like last January. 

 

We're just out of March. 😄

[Darth Sidious]

Tried to cheer myself up by hoping that Mato was going to be the secret weapon for the post split.

 

Little look on Youtube for his highlight reels.  Yeah do not think he will make much difference.  The highlights are his pace and making mess of shots and crosses.

[Pasquale for King]

50 minutes ago, cazzyy said:

 

We're just out of March. 😄

He’s been here nearly 3 months, an established international who played in the Afcon, but isn’t somehow ready to play more than 14 minutes when we’re crying out for a spark or something different?

[Pasquale for King]

25 minutes ago, Darth Sidious said:

Tried to cheer myself up by hoping that Mato was going to be the secret weapon for the post split.

 

Little look on Youtube for his highlight reels.  Yeah do not think he will make much difference.  The highlights are his pace and making mess of shots and crosses.

So why did McInnes sign him instead of someone who could make a difference?

[cazzyy]

8 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

So why did McInnes sign him instead of someone who could make a difference?

 

I'm not sure you understand what coaching involves or how long it might take.

 

He wasn't instead of someone who could make a difference, he should have been in addition to it but the management thought we had enough. They might yet be correct.

Edited April 6 by cazzyy

[RudiSkacelsLeftPeg]

3 hours ago, JamboAl said:

I didn't come to the conclusion that JTA is overrated.

Sorry. Whats making you think it may be overrated.