Red card?

[jambo89]

To be fair, they’ve been fairly consistent with the DOGSO this season. Handball rule on the other hand…….

[south morocco]

5 minutes ago, mr fox said:

You don’t get a red for that 

Happens constantly 

Has to be a goal scoring opportunity and It wasn’t 

You do NOT get a red card for a deliberate foul.

Agreed in principle with everyone above but it was a sinnacle deliberate foul to take the guy out.I know it was given as a Dogsco but I thought we were creaking in the last 5 minutes and it was a desperate challenge. 

[Jambof3tornado]

1 hour ago, MrBones said:

He was given a red for the tackle, which was a rugby tackle, wouldn't matter if there were 10 men back. Nothing to do with goal scoring opportunity imo, just a ridiculous red card worthy foul

A rugby tackle is not a red card though. Cynical foul but only a yellow. 

[johnking123]

All day long. We deserved it for our play towards it. Embarrassing 

[Diego10]

10 minutes ago, jambo89 said:

To be fair, they’ve been fairly consistent with the DOGSO this season. Handball rule on the other hand…….

Consistently wrong,  yes

[south morocco]

5 minutes ago, johnking123 said:

All day long. We deserved it for our play towards it. Embarrassing 

Yip

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Diego10 said:

It's absolutely never a red in any sane league.  He's 60 odd yards from goal on the wing.  Not a chance that's an obvious goalscoring opportunity 

 

Where i will agree is that the league have 100% moved the goalposts on these cause Celtic kicked up a fuss over the Trusty one.   Some of the subsequent decisions have been an abject disgrace and this is up there as the worst

As much as he’s a useless ***** he’s running in on goal with nobody within 20 yards, it’s a red card in today’s game. 

[Diego10]

People wanting a Hearts player incorrectly sent off cause we played shite.   Some caper

[Diego10]

Just now, Pasquale for King said:

As much as he’s a useless ***** he’s running in on goal with nobody within 20 yards, it’s a red card in today’s game. 

He's much further from goal than Altena is

[Pasquale for King]

2 minutes ago, Diego10 said:

He's much further from goal than Altena is

Much closer to the ball though. 
Let’s see if we appeal it. 

[Tommy Brown]

44 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

Dogso does not stand for denying of goal scoring opportunity, but denying OBVIOUS goal scoring opportunity.

It can be argued that anywhere on the pitch is a goal scoring opportunity. Goalkeepers have scored goals from their own box.

Bye-kicks are not out of the goalie's hands. 

Edited April 5 by Tommy Brown

[Diego10]

Just now, Pasquale for King said:

Much closer to the ball though. 
Let’s see if we appeal it. 

The ball is on the wing. What's he v doing,  chipping the goalie on his line from 50 yards away?

[sjh1874]

Stick the game in the bin if we are red carding players from half way

[Chuck Berry]

Was it a clear and obvious error by Clancy for VAR to get involved?  No, the player was fouled inside his own half.  

 

VAR officials haven't a clue when and when not to get involved in these kind of decisions.

[Corstojohn]

4 hours ago, No Idle Talk said:

Not for me. Poor decision but entirely predictable that it was given.

[Corstojohn]

Just now, Corstojohn said:

4 hours ago, No Idle Talk said:

Not for me. Poor decision but entirely predictable that it was given.

That was  a Red Card any day of the week.

[Gambo]

12 minutes ago, Chuck Berry said:

Was it a clear and obvious error by Clancy for VAR to get involved?  No, the player was fouled inside his own half.  

 

VAR officials haven't a clue when and when not to get involved in these kind of decisions.

Correct

[gregzy2k7]

Red card for me,

 

Leonard doesn't even protest it,

 

he knew exactly what he was doing and took one for the team.

 

Will miss his deliveries into the box, hopefully Milne is back fit.

[cazzyy]

21 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said:

Bye-kicks are not out of the goalie's hands. 

 

Not sure he said otherwise.

[Chuck Berry]

1 minute ago, gregzy2k7 said:

Red card for me,

 

Leonard doesn't even protest it,

 

he knew exactly what he was doing and took one for the team.

 

Will miss his deliveries into the box, hopefully Milne is back fit.

 

Of course Leonard knew what he was doing, it was a cynical professional foul that deserved a yellow.

 

However it didn't require VAR to get involved as it wasn't a clear and obvious error by Clancy.  VAR were effectively re-refereeing the game and Clancy didn't have the baws to tell them to GTF, refs never do.

[BRING_BACK_MO_BERTHA]

47 minutes ago, Diego10 said:

People wanting a Hearts player incorrectly sent off cause we played shite.   Some caper

This in spades… some absolute roasters at the game today saying he deserved it, wtaf….grow up and support the team. He took one for the team in an area of the park that, unless the goalie is up for a corner, should NEVER be classed as a dogso. 

Edited April 5 by BRING_BACK_MO_BERTHA

[Penrices left boot]

46 minutes ago, Diego10 said:

People wanting a Hearts player incorrectly sent off cause we played shite.   Some caper

 

Usual suspects tho.

 

[fila]

Yellow card , no way a red card, but not surprised in the least 

[jamboinglasgow]

Under past precedent this season its a red card, but I think the DOGSO red card has been overdone too much this season. A red card is a game changing decision and it seems to be too easy to give a red card under this ruling. 

 

I do wonder if a better ruling is if it happens from half in the half till the goal then that should be red. I just dont think I have seen so many red cards in a season for this rule as I have this season, in just todays 2 games there has both been red cards for the same rule. I think almost half our red cards this season have come under this rule.

[Tommy Brown]

40 minutes ago, cazzyy said:

 

Not sure he said otherwise.

Yip, you're correct. I've re-read it, he was saying technically a keeper can score from his own box and a goal kick.

Apologies @John Findlay 

[Carter]

1 hour ago, johnking123 said:

All day long. We deserved it for our play towards it. Embarrassing 

Absolutely. The failure to play a meaningful forward pass in the sequence that led to the red card is scandalous and sums up our aversion to play forward amongst certain players. 

[John Findlay]

1 hour ago, Tommy Brown said:

Yip, you're correct. I've re-read it, he was saying technically a keeper can score from his own box and a goal kick.

Apologies @John Findlay 

👍

[TheBigO]

11 hours ago, Dirty Deeds said:

A cynical tackle that killed their attack, we'd have wanted a red for the same. Had we simply chipped the ball into the box, we might not have been caught short 

This is the point for me. Last minute of injury.time and we're looking for the perfect moment. Either someone take ownership and try something or just get it in the box.

 

I dont actually think we played that badly (other than our distances in defence) but that last minute kind of summed it up. More urgency required at all times, not just in patches.

[CMc]

3 hours ago, TheBigO said:

This is the point for me. Last minute of injury.time and we're looking for the perfect moment. Either someone take ownership and try something or just get it in the box.

 

I dont actually think we played that badly (other than our distances in defence) but that last minute kind of summed it up. More urgency required at all times, not just in patches.

Agreed. Every ball we put into the box gave them problems. 
 

should have done it more. Should definitely have done it at the end. 
 

They looked far less comfortable to when not set. We let them get set a lot. 

[soonbe110]

14 hours ago, mintmyster said:

Couldn’t agree more. Leonard offers very little creativity and imagination in midfield.

First goal yesterday. 

[soonbe110]

13 hours ago, Carter said:

Devlin is a subject where reasoned debate just cannot happen on here. 

Agreed, hopefully only another 6/7 weeks before it’s no longer a Hearts topic of conversation. 

[The Old Tolbooth]

The question should really be, would a Rangers or Celtic player be sent off for that? The answer is, absolutely not a chance! 
 

It does have its positives though, we might see some forward action instead of Barry Ferguson sideways nonsense, that last minute of injury time really bugged me with his sideways pish! 

[Carter]

2 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Agreed, hopefully only another 6/7 weeks before it’s no longer a Hearts topic of conversation. 

He was hopeless yesterday. Absolutely hopeless. We've seen that Beni and Devlin both struggle to compliment what Leonard can offer. Beni converged on area Leonard wanted to occupy through at Paisley and the same was true of Devlin yesterday. Devlin ended up taking up areas where he indicated he wanted the ball safe in the knowledge it would never be played to him. If it were it would go straight back to where it came from. 

 

Our midfield could get seriously out manoeuvred and out thought on Saturday. 

[1971fozzy]

15 hours ago, Scott Leitch said:

Wasn't a red but it forces the manager to break up that pointless midfield 2. Every cloud. 

This

[jamboinglasgow]

4 hours ago, TheBigO said:

This is the point for me. Last minute of injury.time and we're looking for the perfect moment. Either someone take ownership and try something or just get it in the box.

 

I dont actually think we played that badly (other than our distances in defence) but that last minute kind of summed it up. More urgency required at all times, not just in patches.

 

Up until the equaliser, I thought we could have gone onto to win by at least another goal. We were playing really well.

 

When that second Livi goal went in we lost our confidence and as you said lost urgency and ideas. As others said it was like under Naismith when we just retreated into an old knock it about style. I am confident that McInnes will be working the players this week to ensure that is not repeated.

[Seymour M Hersh]

I think back to the Tavernier, close to but not exactly like the Trusty decision against us, when the hun played Killie. I didn't't think it was a straight red as the Killie player probably would not have got the ball before the hun keeper, others disagreed. However, my point it Taverner fouled the guy and should have been booked. As he was on a yellow already he'd have been off. Neither thing happened. That is the sort of corruption we are up against with these *****. I've not seen yesterday's red but if he's in his own half when fouled how can that ever be a dogso?

[heartsfc_fan]

It was a red. He knew what he was doing and that may have saved us.

[Deevers]

Not sure it constituted a red. I’d be appealing it. 

[Jambof3tornado]

31 minutes ago, The Old Tolbooth said:

The question should really be, would a Rangers or Celtic player be sent off for that? The answer is, absolutely not a chance! 
 

It does have its positives though, we might see some forward action instead of Barry Ferguson sideways nonsense, that last minute of injury time really bugged me with his sideways pish! 

Especially as halkett had join the forwards in the box. Kerjota the only player that constantly just looks to deliver. Kyzi at times but too often  he seems to try to cut back an extra time and gets swarmed by defenders.

[ArcticJambo]

Not a red, should be appealed.

VAR re-reffing the game as not c & o.

Jordi A would have gotten over to challenge the space before any sane footballer would have had a pop at goal.

[Graham Thomson]

16 hours ago, Gambo said:

Was it a red?

 

Was it an obvious goal scoring opportunity from out wide on halfway line?

I would be screaming for it had it been against Hearts. 

He had no choice but to bring him down given nobody seemed willing to make the decisive pass or cross, and we lost possession.

[Ex member of the SaS]

The card we justified but had he let the player through we may well have lost the game, so take it and move on.

[Debut 4]

It’s not rugby.  Just generally I don’t like seeing blatant fouls like that in the game.  
 

Like when players blatantly whip the legs away of a player on a counter attack (even if they aren’t the last man) when they are never near the ball to make a legitimate challenge.   This kind of thing should be a red.  
 

I don’t get angry at a foul when it’s a genuine challenge for the ball. This is the problem with the rules and interpretation of the game these days.  Refs send players off for less and more genuine efforts than what Leonard did.  

Edited April 6 by Debut 4

[johnking123]

Its red card. Not intension of going for ball. Should be a red cad for entire back line for the play leading upto it!

[Ex member of the SaS]

32 minutes ago, ArcticJambo said:

Not a red, should be appealed.

VAR re-reffing the game as not c & o.

Jordi A would have gotten over to challenge the space before any sane footballer would have had a pop at goal.

Just on that point as the ref gave a yellow card I thought VaR could not get involved other than for offside or penalty? Maybe I just got that wrong so maybe someone can say what the rule is.

[ArcticJambo]

5 minutes ago, Ex member of the SaS said:

Just on that point as the ref gave a yellow card I thought VaR could not get involved other than for offside or penalty? Maybe I just got that wrong so maybe someone can say what the rule is.

Think yellow fouls. Then upgrades, albeit usually for dangerous play, ankle breakers. Dunno myself in all honesty.

[Glasgowben]

At least one good thing will come of this,  that imposter will not be playing next week. 

[Scott Leitch]

2 hours ago, jamboinglasgow said:

 

Up until the equaliser, I thought we could have gone onto to win by at least another goal. We were playing really well.

 

When that second Livi goal went in we lost our confidence and as you said lost urgency and ideas. As others said it was like under Naismith when we just retreated into an old knock it about style. I am confident that McInnes will be working the players this week to ensure that is not repeated.

And with 20 seconds left on the clock they were pissing about. Put it in the box FFS. 

 

McInnes will come out with the same shite but nothing will change. Yesterday was on him. 

[4marsbars]

2 hours ago, Debut 4 said:

It’s not rugby.  Just generally I don’t like seeing blatant fouls like that in the game.  
 

Like when players blatantly whip the legs away of a player on a counter attack (even if they aren’t the last man) when they are never near the ball to make a legitimate challenge.   This kind of thing should be a red.  
 

I don’t get angry at a foul when it’s a genuine challenge for the ball. This is the problem with the rules and interpretation of the game these days.  Refs send players off for less and more genuine efforts than what Leonard did.  

 

I'm not an expert on the rules so looked them up.

 

The sending off could only have been for denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity. 

 

The foul was blatant, as you point out (an obvious yellow card) but in no way endangered the safety of the opposing player, or used excessive force or brutality.

 

 

 

 

[EH11 2NL]

I think DOGSO is a stretch considering where he is and we have a defender centrally running back with less ground to cover. The foul in isolation is not a red, doesn't matter how blatant or cynical it is.