Red card?

[Gambo]

Was it a red?

 

Was it an obvious goal scoring opportunity from out wide on halfway line?

[No Idle Talk]

Not for me. Poor decision but entirely predictable that it was given.

[Perth to Paisley]

100% at least getting a shot away. 

 

 

No complaints

[Hømme]

Dunno but he deserved a red for his stupidity.

[151]

It seems to be a goalscoring opportunity every time the opposition cross the half way line these days.

[Rudi2012]

Never. What kind of freakish worldy would he have scored from there that nobody would have covered?

[neilnunb]

Don Robertson on VAR?

 

I think we know the answer.

[Dirty Deeds]

A cynical tackle that killed their attack, we'd have wanted a red for the same. Had we simply chipped the ball into the box, we might not have been caught short 

[Fire_At_The_Disco]

No for me but he could have chased him 20 yards to let cover come over before bringing him down

[jamboozy]

You will wait a long time if you’re looking for one given against our opponents in the same circumstances. In saying that, he ( Leonard) got himself into trouble the 1st  place .

[cazzyy]

There's been examples of no red card for more obvious dosgos and red cards for less obvious.

Refs and var haven't got a clue.

[vegas-voss]

We are that disappointed nobody until now has  even bothered to debate it.

 

I'm more gutted about how it came about.Passing side to side until we get ourself in that mess.Not one player willing to take a bit of responsibility 

[ToadKiller Dog]

Joke of a card 

It wouldn't be a red in the other game today or a certain game yesterday 

[Tommy Brown]

4 minutes ago, Rudi2012 said:

Never. What kind of freakish worldy would he have scored from there that nobody would have covered?

Who was covering, that's right, nobody.

It was a **** up, no ***** willing to do cutting pass with seconds left.

 

[Jim Panzee]

Just need to ask…..

 

would an ugly sister player have been given a red card?

 

 

[Diadora Van Basten]

The denial of a goal scoring opportunity is far too low a bar. He must be 55-60 yards from goal and running away from goal. Having so many players (not just us) sent off for it in Scotland is ruining football.

[Scott Leitch]

Wasn't a red but it forces the manager to break up that pointless midfield 2. Every cloud. 

[PortyJambo]

The VAR refereeing of a DOGSO has got so loose that it seems that a foul just about anywhere on the pitch is deemed as denying a goal scoring opportunity these days.

 

It's ridiculous, used to be so clearly obvious that not many would argue, but the definition is way too slack now.

 

[PortyJambo]

Just now, Scott Leitch said:

Wasn't a red but it forces the manager to break up that pointless midfield 2. Every cloud. 

 

 

[kingantti1874]

Wouldn’t have been red if he was wearing green or blue.  But we know fine well the SFA will be looking to hamper us .  It was a sensible professional foul from Leonard though.  Can’t take that risk 

[Bill Sikes]

Red card for that in your own half in the last 10 seconds of a game is absolutely ridiculous,  Clancy was spot on with the original decision but again showed a total weakness to stand by his own decision and his own eyeballs. 

 

Wouldn't be surprised to see it rescinded but then again  wouldn't be surprised if not. 

VAR interfering with that is just pure and simple stupidity. 

[merseyjambo]

If we say the Trusty one on Kabore was then this one is. 
 

Whether Altena would have got there is an unknown but we’d have been screaming for it if it had been other way round.

 

 

[Jeremy Goss]

The foul was committed out wide and in their half. No way it’s the same as Trusty foul.

[Dennis Reynolds]

It's a red. Think this season has shown some discussion needs to be had with DOGSO though.

[jamboozy]

17 minutes ago, Jim Panzee said:

Just need to ask…..

 

would an ugly sister player have been given a red card?

 

 

No.

[escobri]

14 minutes ago, Scott Leitch said:

Wasn't a red but it forces the manager to break up that pointless midfield 2. Every cloud. 

Yip, it just doesn't work, hopefully they will not appeal the decision.

[Australis]

We get red cards other teams players don't get. Maeda could skin a live cat on the pitch and the officials would joke and laugh with him.

The commentator even touched on how many we have had this season 

[Don Dannie]

4 minutes ago, Jeremy Goss said:

The foul was committed out wide and in their half. No way it’s the same as Trusty foul.

That’s what I think. 

[Nelly Terraces]

McInnes will be gutted he can't play a totally ineffective non attacking & ultra defensive midfield now. 

[Cisc0 K1d]

1 minute ago, Dennis Reynolds said:

It's a red. Think this season has shown some discussion needs to be had with DOGSO though.

Agree 100% red, it's not VAR or the ref it's the player. why not just run with him and get a tackle in, it's not like you are dealing with Vinicius Junior on the break. 

[Pans Jambo]

Straight red. No argument. 

[mintmyster]

17 minutes ago, Scott Leitch said:

Wasn't a red but it forces the manager to break up that pointless midfield 2. Every cloud. 

Couldn’t agree more. Leonard offers very little creativity and imagination in midfield.

[pettigrewsstylist]

Just now, Nelly Terraces said:

McInnes will be gutted he can't play a totally ineffective non attacking & ultra defensive midfield now. 

👌🤣

[1953]

I think because he was out wide and had half the pitch to cover it shouldn't be red, but I'm not surprised in the slightest that he gave it. 

[Jim Panzee]

1 minute ago, Pans Jambo said:

Straight red. No argument. 

Thought the same at the time - but not for dogso - just a basic rugby tackle with no intention of winning the ball. Leonard was eyeballing their player for a few seconds prior to the ‘tackle’

[Mikey1874]

No way. McCart gets back. No way can the referee know he's getting anywhere near having a shot.

 

But interesting if Hearts appeal. Leonard has done well but maybe we do better last games without him. 

[OTT]

26 minutes ago, Diadora Van Basten said:

The denial of a goal scoring opportunity is far too low a bar. He must be 55-60 yards from goal and running away from goal. Having so many players (not just us) sent off for it in Scotland is ruining football.

 

Yep. How much mental acrobatics needs to be done to justify the red card ?

 

Chance very much in its infancy. Cannot definitively say its a DOGSO because of how much work still needs to be done by the attacker. 

 

Pathetic TBH, but the bar has been lowered to this point by Collum and his gang of puddle drinking **** witts. 

[Mikey1874]

2 minutes ago, Jim Panzee said:

Thought the same at the time - but not for dogso - just a basic rugby tackle with no intention of winning the ball. Leonard was eyeballing their player for a few seconds prior to the ‘tackle’

 

While many including myself think these fouls should be red cards, they aren't. It's DOGSO. 

[cazzyy]

Does DOGSO include the word obvious or is it denial of goalscoring opportunity?

Because to me it wasn't obvious.

[Jim Panzee]

5 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

While many including myself think these fouls should be red cards, they aren't. It's DOGSO. 

Interesting. I don’t know the exact rules. I can’t see how any official can give that as a dogso when the player is in their own half. Too many variables to happen before the player gets into the box.

 

but I could see a red for hauling an opponent down, whilst not even looking at the ball for seconds with the only intent being to commit a foul.

[Goonieref]

44 minutes ago, Hømme said:

Dunno but he deserved a red for his stupidity.

Whoa Whoa he took one for the team had the lad away and scored we wouldn’t have even had a point

[EIEIO]

33 minutes ago, Jim Panzee said:

Just need to ask…..

 

would an ugly sister player have been given a red card?

 

 

Obviously no for me. While it was a cynical foul not many players get sent off for fouling a player in the attacking team's own half. An old firm player being sent off is a rarity far less for a foul like Leonard's today.

[gordon simpson]

40 minutes ago, ToadKiller Dog said:

Joke of a card 

It wouldn't be a red in the other game today or a certain game yesterday 

[Jim Panzee]

4 minutes ago, cazzyy said:

Does DOGSO include the word obvious or is it denial of goalscoring opportunity?

Because to me it wasn't obvious.

No - not obvious.

 

either way, it’s subjective. Even more so when the offence is committed in the fouled players own half. It assumes the player fouled has the pace to then advance into the box, assumes a defending player won’t run faster to tackle them and also assumes the player fouled will control the ball / not slip in the 50 yard journey to the box.

 

Haring fell foul this a few years ago with a more genuine (but late and poor) slide tackle on a player at the half way line. Was given a red and was later over turned.

[Malinga the Swinga]

Might have been a red. Most similar fouls like that are being given as a red.

Funnily enough, the only one that wasn't was when Tavernier fouled Killie player while on a yellow at Ibrox whilst only 2 up. Not surprisingly, that wasn't even given as a foul.

Edited April 5 by Malinga the Swinga

[Bob Loblaw]

Never a red. Muirhead isn't quick so not getting away from anyway, it was out wide and miles from goal. We had a player on the halfway line who cuts the distance massively in terms of closing space if it goes to a footrace.

 

That said, it's a stupid position to put ourselves in. Put the ball in the box and it's not a scenario we even have to worry about.

[cazzyy]

13 minutes ago, Jim Panzee said:

No - not obvious.

 

either way, it’s subjective. Even more so when the offence is committed in the fouled players own half. It assumes the player fouled has the pace to then advance into the box, assumes a defending player won’t run faster to tackle them and also assumes the player fouled will control the ball / not slip in the 50 yard journey to the box.

 

Haring fell foul this a few years ago with a more genuine (but late and poor) slide tackle on a player at the half way line. Was given a red and was later over turned.

 

Sorry mate, I checked after I posted and it does include the word "obvious".

 

To be obvious, the bar should be set high when it comes to subjectivity.

[Jim Panzee]

1 minute ago, cazzyy said:

 

Sorry mate, I checked after I posted and it does include the word "obvious".

 

To be obvious, the bar should be set high when it comes to subjectivity.

Still subjective IMO. A lawyer would be all over it. For me a dogso is a player in the box, through on goal about to pull the trigger.

 

halfway line? Far too many things that could happen before a player gets into the box

[hearts00]

No idea what Leonard was up to. All he had to do was shepherd him down the line. Very strange and quite frankly lazy decision. 

[hearts00]

I have no idea when dogso started dishing out reds 75 yards away from goal near the touch line though. Refs have lost the plot since Celtic made such a big deal about the one at Tynie.