Energy Lockdowns, Blackouts and Shortages

[That thing you do]

And not the blackouts and alcohol shortage from winning the league either.

 

Apparently incoming at some point soon.

 

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-15621043/Why-Britain-vulnerable-energy-price-shocks-quickly-bills-rise.html

 

Seems the UK is particularly vulnerable. Already shortages in Australia. Are we headed back to the 70s?

 

I have noticed the soon to run out north sea oil/gas in 2014 is being suggested as a solution.

 

Got a feeling cost of living will get a hammering and skyrocket either way.

 

Start growing stuff in the garden and get a big stash at Costco as its about to get bumpy.

 

https://youtu.be/GsWOEy81n4Q?si=zeQyG0McTDw6vYDp

 

 

Edited March 30 by That thing you do

[Canscot]

Thats it!   Off to Costco for asswipe!

Will fill my double garage with it then sell it on the black market when demand is high!

Mmmmmmmmoney!!!!!!!!!

 

 

[il Duce McTarkin]

I wish I could gloat about how shite the UK has it from a cartel- riddled foreign bolt-hole.

[Jambo dans les Pyrenees]

We should do our bit, and stop the league now to save on energy costs.

 

[AlimOzturk]

Over reliance on foreign oil and no reliable alternative was always going to completely screw us over. 
 

We had several options. Drill baby drill, which nobody with a sense of decency for our country wanted. 
 

Fully invest in renewable energy which we only half arsed did. 
 

Nuclear energy which should have been seriously considered big scale. 
 

Time to get on war time footing with this. Genuinely only an emergency response type scenario will fix it before we start suffering genuine shortages like suggested. 
 

Sad times we live in. 

[joondalupjambo]

Folk will be looking for handouts, and help from the Government rather than curtailing things.

The UK Government is faced with horrible options/decisions thanks to this US/Israel war.

Think we probably need folk to reign in their spending a bit plus some targeted help from the Government.

One example of something that is not being discussed yet by the media is summer holiday flights.   If the thousands of package holidays have already been paid for by people in advance, and the airlines are now facing massive fuel cost increases how will that pan out in relation to increases and extra payments?

There are numerous issues facing us all this year in relation to rising costs so buckle in folks.

 

 

 

[John Findlay]

9 hours ago, That thing you do said:

And not the blackouts and alcohol shortage from winning the league either.

 

Apparently incoming at some point soon.

 

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-15621043/Why-Britain-vulnerable-energy-price-shocks-quickly-bills-rise.html

 

Seems the UK is particularly vulnerable. Already shortages in Australia. Are we headed back to the 70s?

 

I have noticed the soon to run out north sea oil/gas in 2014 is being suggested as a solution.

 

Got a feeling cost of living will get a hammering and skyrocket either way.

 

Start growing stuff in the garden and get a big stash at Costco as its about to get bumpy.

 

https://youtu.be/GsWOEy81n4Q?si=zeQyG0McTDw6vYDp

 

 

Been there done that got the t-shirt in the early to mid 1970s.

[John Findlay]

18 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

Folk will be looking for handouts, and help from the Government rather than curtailing things.

The UK Government is faced with horrible options/decisions thanks to this US/Israel war.

Think we probably need folk to reign in their spending a bit plus some targeted help from the Government.

One example of something that is not being discussed yet by the media is summer holiday flights.   If the thousands of package holidays have already been paid for by people in advance, and the airlines are now facing massive fuel cost increases how will that pan out in relation to increases and extra payments?

There are numerous issues facing us all this year in relation to rising costs so buckle in folks.

 

 

 

We decided not to take a foreign holiday this year. In hindsight would appear to be a good decision.

[Boab]

20 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

Folk will be looking for handouts, and help from the Government rather than curtailing things.

The UK Government is faced with horrible options/decisions thanks to this US/Israel war.

Think we probably need folk to reign in their spending a bit plus some targeted help from the Government.

One example of something that is not being discussed yet by the media is summer holiday flights.   If the thousands of package holidays have already been paid for by people in advance, and the airlines are now facing massive fuel cost increases how will that pan out in relation to increases and extra payments?

There are numerous issues facing us all this year in relation to rising costs so buckle in folks.

 

 

 

Regarding holidays, if there’s no improvement, they will cancel them. Can’t see another way round it as they can’t bump up prices for holidays already booked. It’s a contract.

[Boab]

9 hours ago, That thing you do said:

And not the blackouts and alcohol shortage from winning the league either.

 

Apparently incoming at some point soon.

 

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-15621043/Why-Britain-vulnerable-energy-price-shocks-quickly-bills-rise.html

 

Seems the UK is particularly vulnerable. Already shortages in Australia. Are we headed back to the 70s?

 

I have noticed the soon to run out north sea oil/gas in 2014 is being suggested as a solution.

 

Got a feeling cost of living will get a hammering and skyrocket either way.

 

Start growing stuff in the garden and get a big stash at Costco as its about to get bumpy.

 

https://youtu.be/GsWOEy81n4Q?si=zeQyG0McTDw6vYDp

 

 

The “ oils running out “ was a scam. And it worked. 

[joondalupjambo]

8 minutes ago, Boab said:

Regarding holidays, if there’s no improvement, they will cancel them. Can’t see another way round it as they can’t bump up prices for holidays already booked. It’s a contract.

Aye good point about a contract.  Will be interesting though to see if the travel companies abide by them, hope so. 

[Boab]

3 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

Aye good point about a contract.  Will be interesting though to see if the travel companies abide by them, hope so. 

I think they have to. However, there will be a bit in those contracts allowing them to cancel if this shitshow continues. 
 

“ Extraordinary circumstances ! “

Edited March 31 by Boab

[highlandjambo3]

1 hour ago, joondalupjambo said:

 

One example of something that is not being discussed yet by the media is summer holiday flights.   If the thousands of package holidays have already been paid for by people in advance, and the airlines are now facing massive fuel cost increases how will that pan out in relation to increases and extra payments?

There are numerous issues facing us all this year in relation to rising costs so buckle in folks.

 

 

 

Off to Portugal next week………if it’s canned then I’ll be getting tooled up 😡

[Dennis Denuto]

I think there are some interesting points raised on this thread, the length of the war in the Middle East could have some very far reaching consequences for countries and people all over the world.

I am kind of surprised there is not much more pressure being put on the USA and Israel to stop the bombing and get things returning to normal again.

[Japan Jambo]

59 minutes ago, Dennis Denuto said:

I think there are some interesting points raised on this thread, the length of the war in the Middle East could have some very far reaching consequences for countries and people all over the world.

I am kind of surprised there is not much more pressure being put on the USA and Israel to stop the bombing and get things returning to normal again.

 

Not sure anyone can tell that baboons arse anything to be honest. The latest 'paddle your own canoe' statement is just him speaking the quiet bit out loud "America first, **** the rest of you"

 

We need to open up North Sea resources again AND double down on renewables. 

Edited March 31 by Japan Jambo

[Boab]

3 minutes ago, Japan Jambo said:

 

Not sure anyone can tell that baboons arse anything to be honest. The latest 'paddle your own canoe' statement is just him speaking the quiet bit out loud "America first, **** the rest of you"

 

We need to open up North Sea resources again AND double down on renewables. 

It’s a tough one for the Nats. They could be on a winner with the resources still in the North Sea but it would contradict their commitment to renewable initiatives. I say go for it and punt the angle of a huge windfall for Scotland.

[Gundermann]

13 hours ago, That thing you do said:

And not the blackouts and alcohol shortage from winning the league either.

 

Apparently incoming at some point soon.

 

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-15621043/Why-Britain-vulnerable-energy-price-shocks-quickly-bills-rise.html

 

Seems the UK is particularly vulnerable. Already shortages in Australia. Are we headed back to the 70s?

 

I have noticed the soon to run out north sea oil/gas in 2014 is being suggested as a solution.

 

Got a feeling cost of living will get a hammering and skyrocket either way.

 

Start growing stuff in the garden and get a big stash at Costco as its about to get bumpy.

 

https://youtu.be/GsWOEy81n4Q?si=zeQyG0McTDw6vYDp

 

 

 

Will be interesting to see if a large pro-independence majority in May's election and demands for another Indyref muddies these waters again.

 

Scotland’s oil has run out as Britain seeks to be self-sufficient on "her" own oil...

 

Edited March 31 by Gundermann

[Japan Jambo]

1 minute ago, Boab said:

It’s a tough one for the Nats. They could be on a winner with the resources still in the North Sea but it would contradict their commitment to renewable initiatives. I say go for it and punt the angle of a huge windfall for Scotland.

 

Put the additional taxes into renewable infrastructure. Something is going to have to give, time for a bold vision.

[Dido of Consequence]

Looks like I'll be slumming it at centre parcs this year

[Boab]

18 minutes ago, Japan Jambo said:

 

Put the additional taxes into renewable infrastructure. Something is going to have to give, time for a bold vision.

COP 27 will be in Ethiopia. The same commitments will be promised but countries like India, for example, will drag their feet, promising action by 2070 or some other bullshit. 
Get the wealth into Scotland now before it’s too far down the road. Norway had a bold vision !

[vegas-voss]

1 hour ago, Dennis Denuto said:

I think there are some interesting points raised on this thread, the length of the war in the Middle East could have some very far reaching consequences for countries and people all over the world.

I am kind of surprised there is not much more pressure being put on the USA and Israel to stop the bombing and get things returning to normal again.

They completely ****ed things UAE countries are now saying the US cannot just pull out now as they are completely vulnerable.I can only see it getting worse.

[AlimOzturk]

Just so there isn’t all pure doom and gloom. I think this is the type of thing that will put a rocket up the arse of European governments and the UK government   Hopefully future generations won’t have to suffer the uncertainty that us lot are having to once we come to realise we have to control our own energy resources. 
 

The technology is there. 

[Canscot]

4 hours ago, Boab said:

Regarding holidays, if there’s no improvement, they will cancel them. Can’t see another way round it as they can’t bump up prices for holidays already booked. It’s a contract.

Over here they just add a fuel surcharge to your flight. Ergo not increasing the holiday price. Just expecting you to pay for the unexpected increase in fuel. 

[Dido of Consequence]

10 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said:

Just so there isn’t all pure doom and gloom. I think this is the type of thing that will put a rocket up the arse of European governments and the UK government   Hopefully future generations won’t have to suffer the uncertainty that us lot are having to once we come to realise we have to control our own energy resources. 
 

The technology is there. 

We should open up a wind farm on Trump's golf course

[Cade]

The West learned absolutely nothing from the oil shocks of the 1970s.

Having your entire economy dependent on one single resource which originates from a single source which you do not control is madness.

Reliance on fossil fuels is a matter of national security and the British Government has been slack in transitioning away from fossil fuels for 50 years.

 

Yes, there has been pretty decent progress in recent years but it's still nowhere near enough.

Wind and solar need to be expanded rapidly (every rooftop should have solar and every property should have a battery to store it)

Nuclear needs a kick up the arse. Hinkley C has been a total farce.

There are concerns about storage or a lack of renewable power when weather conditions are not producing maximum output but Hydro can help with that. Hydro Reservoirs are nothing but giant batteries, with the water being released through turbines to generate power when needed. There's your storage. Release the water into lower reservoirs then pump it back up to the top when there's excess power available from the rest of the grid.

 

The Government also needs to be doing more to reduce energy usage too.

Take the strain off the grid by properly insulating every residential property. This will also lower people's bills, which is always welcome.

 

[joondalupjambo]

26 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said:

Just so there isn’t all pure doom and gloom. I think this is the type of thing that will put a rocket up the arse of European governments and the UK government   Hopefully future generations won’t have to suffer the uncertainty that us lot are having to once we come to realise we have to control our own energy resources. 
 

The technology is there. 

Interesting opportunity here for the Labour Government.  We should have been gat further forward in to the renewable options we have by now.  14 years of Tory Government, who dragged their heels have left Labour pushing the ball up the hill.  However this war, bizarrely has given Labour a clear goal, and the ability to take the public opinion with them as they could super charge the move to near self sufficiency. 

 

Obviously there are still hurdles to overcome but anyone not seeing where we should be, and quickly has to be completely missing the point.   If means an energy mix that includes some more, limited drilling then that has be seriously considered.  Ok Labour over to you.

[kila]

Control the flow of oil, control the world...

[stevie1874]

53 minutes ago, Cade said:

The West learned absolutely nothing from the oil shocks of the 1970s.

Having your entire economy dependent on one single resource which originates from a single source which you do not control is madness.

Reliance on fossil fuels is a matter of national security and the British Government has been slack in transitioning away from fossil fuels for 50 years.

 

Yes, there has been pretty decent progress in recent years but it's still nowhere near enough.

Wind and solar need to be expanded rapidly (every rooftop should have solar and every property should have a battery to store it)

Nuclear needs a kick up the arse. Hinkley C has been a total farce.

There are concerns about storage or a lack of renewable power when weather conditions are not producing maximum output but Hydro can help with that. Hydro Reservoirs are nothing but giant batteries, with the water being released through turbines to generate power when needed. There's your storage. Release the water into lower reservoirs then pump it back up to the top when there's excess power available from the rest of the grid.

 

The Government also needs to be doing more to reduce energy usage too.

Take the strain off the grid by properly insulating every residential property. This will also lower people's bills, which is always welcome.

 

Sounds easy, wonder why the successive governments haven’t implemented such a plan. 

[Glasgowben]

Net Zero is one of the biggest scams going at the moment.  I hope Ed Milibrain is removed from office fast as hell and we get someone in who knows what their doing. 

[Cade]

33 minutes ago, stevie1874 said:

Sounds easy, wonder why the successive governments haven’t implemented such a plan. 

 

Because all they can think about is the next election.

Short-term thinking predominates.

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 minutes ago, Cade said:

 

Because all they can think about is the next election.

Short-term thinking predominates.

That’s it in a nutshell.

 

[JackLadd]

One solution would be Canada refuses to export any more crude oil to Trumpland. That's 4.5m barrels a day. They're self sufficient per their bs claims but not on crude oil.

[XB52]

Scotland regularly produces enough renewable electricity to power the whole country. The big problems are the amount of gas still required plus the amount of petrol/diesel. More heat pumps and electric vehicles are the answer but this will take years/decades to finally remove all dependency on fossil fuels.

[Canscot]

14 minutes ago, JackLadd said:

One solution would be Canada refuses to export any more crude oil to Trumpland. That's 4.5m barrels a day. They're self sufficient per their bs claims but not on crude oil.

Unfortunately we have a Premier in our province who would never do that as our whole economy depends on oil and gas. There currently are no viable markets to otherwise sell the oil and gas into. Hell, this country cannot even get its shit together enough to build a pipeline to eastern Canada so that we would be less dependent on foreign oil. 
Between the government of our neighbours in British Columbia and the native Indian Bands throwing up road blocks we can’t even build a pipeline to the West Coast to export oil and gas to Asia Pacific markets. 
Sometimes this country (politically) cannot get out of its own way!

[JackLadd]

4 minutes ago, Canscot said:

Unfortunately we have a Premier in our province who would never do that as our whole economy depends on oil and gas. There currently are no viable markets to otherwise sell the oil and gas into. Hell, this country cannot even get its shit together enough to build a pipeline to eastern Canada so that we would be less dependent on foreign oil. 
Between the government of our neighbours in British Columbia and the native Indian Bands throwing up road blocks we can’t even build a pipeline to the West Coast to export oil and gas to Asia Pacific markets. 
Sometimes this country (politically) cannot get out of its own way!

 

I was thinking sell to Europe instead albeit need a tanker fleet. I'd slowly turn off the tap to them given how crazy they are right now. We are going to need crude, and Europe. I'd definitely wind down the exporting to them and explorer other markets.

[Canscot]

3 minutes ago, JackLadd said:

 

I was thinking sell to Europe instead albeit need a tanker fleet. I'd slowly turn off the tap to them given how crazy they are right now. We are going to need crude, and Europe. I'd definitely wind down the exporting to them and explorer other markets.

Again. There is currently no way to get our oil to either the east or west coast for export. Just not happening. 
 

Edit: Also given Trumps recent history, if we cut off the oil supply to the US, that might be all the reason he would need to act on his 51st State bullshit and invade. 
I for one would mot bet against that happening in those circumstances. 

Edited March 31 by Canscot

[JackLadd]

12 minutes ago, Canscot said:

Again. There is currently no way to get our oil to either the east or west coast for export. Just not happening. 
 

Edit: Also given Trumps recent history, if we cut off the oil supply to the US, that might be all the reason he would need to act on his 51st State bullshit and invade. 
I for one would mot bet against that happening in those circumstances. 

 

I know he's insane and out of control, that's why I would slowly turn it off to them and explorer some other markets quietly. Certainly no increase ever.

[hughesie27]

2 hours ago, Glasgowben said:

Net Zero is one of the biggest scams going at the moment.  I hope Ed Milibrain is removed from office fast as hell and we get someone in who knows what their doing. 

Would you agree that Britain creating it's own energy sources rather than relying on importing it would be much better for the country? 

What part of it is a scam?

[That thing you do]

11 hours ago, il Duce McTarkin said:

I wish I could gloat about how shite the UK has it from a cartel- riddled foreign bolt-hole.

The world has it bad, not just the UK. And I said "we" have this incoming not "you" implying it's not a specific gloat about the UK.

 

Australia is already in trouble as are places in Asia like Thailand. Once fuel is short, food follows. In some countries this will be catastrophic. 

Edited March 31 by That thing you do

[Dean Winchester]

Had my battery system for a year and not had a single powercut yet.

 

I look forward to showing off when everyone else on the street is in darkness

[hughesie27]

Tesco at Corstorphine seemed to be down to 1 or 2 pumps earlier.

[The Maroon Jacket]

So why does the UK buy and import oil and gas from Norway rather drill from their own fields and saving millions of pounds to the taxpayer which sit almost side by side?

 

[Spellczech]

A big problem is short-termism. We've been closing oilfields faster than replacing them with something else = stupid. We used to talk a lot about wind, solar & wave technology but only last year started doing something about National Grid being way out of date...= stupid. Ukraine war showed us that we had no storage facilities. We still have no storage facilities = stupid. 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

will any of this affect the punter on the street bar a few quid on their heating bill and shopping ?

 

there’s not actually going to be another lockdown is there 🙉

 

 

[moshy]

1 hour ago, hughesie27 said:

Would you agree that Britain creating it's own energy sources rather than relying on importing it would be much better for the country? 

What part of it is a scam?

The scam is building foreign owned windfarms all over the Highlands and Islands and earning more money in constraint payments ( which is all added to consumers bills ) for switching them off because the national grid can't cope with the energy created. Destroying nature to save nature aye ok then.

[Chairman of the Bored]

2 hours ago, hughesie27 said:

Tesco at Corstorphine seemed to be down to 1 or 2 pumps earlier.

There’s a few lads on here that can only manage one or two pumps, too, I’d imagine. 

[Cade]

Live counter of the UK energy mix.

During the day, fossil fuels is about 6%.

At night, it's higher.

Seasonal changes also, windier days means more wind power, longer days means more solar.

https://grid.iamkate.com/

[Boab]

1 hour ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

will any of this affect the punter on the street bar a few quid on their heating bill and shopping ?

 

there’s not actually going to be another lockdown is there 🙉

 

 

Not wanting to go off topic but if there was another lockdown, everyone would ignore it.

[Chairman of the Bored]

7 minutes ago, Boab said:

Not wanting to go off topic but if there was another lockdown, everyone would ignore it.

The smart folks ignored the first one  

[hughesie27]

1 hour ago, moshy said:

The scam is building foreign owned windfarms all over the Highlands and Islands and earning more money in constraint payments ( which is all added to consumers bills ) for switching them off because the national grid can't cope with the energy created. Destroying nature to save nature aye ok then.

Yep thats a farce. Need more storage facilities built. Not fewer wind farms.