Dennis Denuto Posted March 2 Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, Der Kaiser said: Immigration should have a one strike rule for certain crimes. You commit that crime within the first 7 or so years of being here and you lose your right to stay. End of story. Off to jail while your plane is arranged, then back you go and door is closed on returning regardless if you've come from France or Fiji. I agree with this, however I think they should serve their time her first rather than just be deported and set free, not really justice for the victim imo.
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 2 Posted March 2 1 minute ago, Dennis Denuto said: Just heard it on Radio 5 live news and it is the Second Story on the front page of the BBC News site, in the section after all the Iran stuff. Just go around making shit up as usual though. Im talking about BBC tv news
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 2 Posted March 2 3 minutes ago, Der Kaiser said: Immigration should have a one strike rule for certain crimes. You commit that crime within the first 7 or so years of being here and you lose your right to stay. End of story. Off to jail while your plane is arranged, then back you go and door is closed on returning regardless if you've come from France or Fiji. 100 per cent
Fxxx the SPFL Posted March 2 Posted March 2 Just now, Dennis Denuto said: I agree with this, however I think they should serve their time her first rather than just be deported and set free, not really justice for the victim imo. I agree Fine to deport them but they’ll be back here in no time
Dennis Denuto Posted March 2 Posted March 2 6 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Sad thing is its so common now its not even making the national news..yeah i know theres all that stuff happening in the middle east but not one mention on BBC as yet on their 24 news 1 minute ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Im talking about BBC tv news Except it is on the National News
Malinga the Swinga Posted March 2 Posted March 2 Getting back to Calders incident and leaving immigration aside, what exactly were the police doing watching the guy instead of arresting him? They don't exactly inspire confidence in their abilities to protect when to a layman, it appears they're frightened to confront him.
Der Kaiser Posted March 2 Posted March 2 1 minute ago, Dennis Denuto said: I agree with this, however I think they should serve their time her first rather than just be deported and set free, not really justice for the victim imo. True. In one aspect I'd like to quickly end any money being spent on such individuals but that requires the country they return to doing their jail time. If that can be agreed then they can pop off sooner otherwise yes....serve their full sentence.
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 2 Posted March 2 1 minute ago, Dennis Denuto said: Except it is on the National News I have been watching the national 24 bbc news for the last 40 mins and its not been on it. not even mentioned in the texts at the bottom of the screen either.
Shooter McGavin Posted March 2 Posted March 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dennis Denuto said: How are you measuring this? I am not saying you are wrong I just would like to see the workings. Undocumented, illegal immigrants (with the overwhelming majority seemingly being male) from countries with very different attitudes towards women, who don't speak our language, in large numbers being placed in small communities. I believe, understandibly, this causes a lot of worry and friction amongst locals about the safety of fellow residents and their young people. Areas such as Bradford, Luton and Birmingham which has seen massive demographic changes, and the change of the culture in those areas, which has left some of the residents feeling alienated. Asylum seekers gaining access to our already stretched health service, dental services, free prescriptions, effectively put in the same queues as the tax payers who have funded it for years, or even decades. This is obviosuly going to cause friction amongst natives who can't get a GP appointment, have to wait full days in A&E waiting rooms etc. For some people, the effects of mass immigration is putting a huge strain on an already stressed housing system, school places etc. I will note, none of these points should be levelled at immigrant as being their fault, ultimately it’s those in charge at Government level who have lost control of immigration, and thus gave rise to the likes of Reform and Restore Britain. Edited March 2 by Shooter McGavin
The Internet Posted March 2 Posted March 2 We interrupt our coverage of world war 3 starting to bring you this breaking news of a stabbing in Edinburgh.
Dennis Denuto Posted March 2 Posted March 2 Just now, Der Kaiser said: True. In one aspect I'd like to quickly end any money being spent on such individuals but that requires the country they return to doing their jail time. If that can be agreed then they can pop off sooner otherwise yes....serve their full sentence. I would have my doubts about justice being served in many of these countries, in some cases it might be difficult has we can't deport people who would then face the death penalty for their crimes, but in general I get where you are coming from. I don't know for sure, I have not checked, but I suspect victims would prefer the sentence to be served here then deported immediately. We are mostly in agreement here and I think it is in general what happens to non-uk citizens
Morgan Posted March 2 Posted March 2 1 hour ago, Sow Easy said: Yeah I'm pretty sure you're a racist. Your turn, over to you 👍
The Internet Posted March 2 Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Getting back to Calders incident and leaving immigration aside, what exactly were the police doing watching the guy instead of arresting him? They don't exactly inspire confidence in their abilities to protect when to a layman, it appears they're frightened to confront him. This quote is incredible Quote "I got out of my car and the guy came up to me with his hands behind his back. He said, can I speak to you," one man told the BBC. "He had the two knives behind his back, covered in blood." The man said an onlooker handed him a spirit level which he then used to confront the suspect. "He handed me the spirit level and we just started going for it," the man said. "He started going towards the school so I was just trying to chase him back. He's coming towards me the whole time." "The police were there but they said they weren't allowed to get out of their car because it was a firearms incident. "He walked away up to the flats." Polis can't get out of their car Spirit level man with the heroics
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 2 Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, The Internet said: We interrupt our coverage of world war 3 starting to bring you this breaking news of a stabbing in Edinburgh. Mate ive heard " world war 3 " is coming since 1980 when i was in high school and Russia invaded Afghanistan. Got me worried about nuclear war but then i realised there is absolutely **** all i can do about it. Nothing . So theres zero use of worrying about it.
moonshine Posted March 2 Posted March 2 (edited) 5 minutes ago, The Internet said: This quote is incredible Polis can't get out of their car Spirit level man with the heroics There should be a measured, supremely trained response unit for this stuff. Surely we can deploy all manner of weapons against an knife wielder. Tazers, non-lethal weapons. Let them know that a) we will not **** around b) you won't be martyred* c) the quicker it is taken care of, the less notoriety the event/perpetrator receives *if the crime is ideologically motivated Edited March 2 by moonshine
Malinga the Swinga Posted March 2 Posted March 2 1 minute ago, The Internet said: This quote is incredible Polis can't get out of their car Spirit level man with the heroics I'm sure some police inspector will be duly rolled out to explain away them being 'not allowed' to get out their car as some health & safety issues. Presumably they have stab proof vests on, presumably they could have called for reinforcements, presumably they could have used police dogs, presumably they could have made an effort to disarm him but all of these would require some effort and risk when sitting in car is the easiest action to take. If he'd stabbed someone else, I wonder if the police would have bothered intervening or would that have been a bit risky for the wee lambs? Best just sit still and hope it all goes away.
TuckerCarlsonsToupee Posted March 2 Posted March 2 22 minutes ago, Sow Easy said: Is your barrier for racism the N word and anything that falls below that not racist? The problem for people you is that, excuse the pun, you think it's a black and white issue. It's not, racism is layered and seeps through undetected due to peoples long held inherent biases and prejudices. What you don't understand is that your posts absolutely reek of it, but because you don't directly come out and criticise 'the blacks' or call someone the N word, you don't think you're doing anything wrong, while at the same time using every dog whistle under the sun by using the very carefully selected language of the far right to hide all your BS behind 'concerns about mass immigration' or 'multiculturism'. Maybe I've got a bad case of the unconscious biases? All you need to do is give an example of something I have said that is racist. Just one. So far we have had a declaration that I am a racist...now I am using dog whistles and the language of the far right. My barrier for racism is...racism. "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalised" That seems like a nice place to start. I am definitely guilty of prejudice in my life - I haven't met anyone who hasn't ever prejudged someone, but I don't hold any views on people from ethnic groups that I apply to all members of that group. I've met some hideous people who are the same ethnicity as me...I've met some equally hideous people who are from a different ethnicity to me. I can't think of an example where I have discriminated against someone, certainly not on the grounds of race. I think the issue now is that you have backed yourself into a corner. You don't have any evidence that I'm a racist, and rather than just say "Sorry, I was a bit worked up and I said it without really thinking it through." you feel you have to double down. I think I've remained very reasonable with you, despite your name calling and very dangerous attempts to brand me as an individual who holds far right views, I haven't attempted to shut you down, I have addressed any points you have made. I don't think this is going the way you thought it would.
Dennis Denuto Posted March 2 Posted March 2 7 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said: Undocumented, illegal immigrants (with the overwhelming majority seemingly being male) from countries with very different attitudes towards women, who don't speak our language, in large numbers being placed in small communities. I believe, understandibly, this causes a lot of worry and friction amongst locals about the safety of fellow residents and their young people. Areas such as Bradford, Luton and Birmingham which has seen massive demographic changes, and the change of the culture in those areas, which has left some of the residents feeling alienated. These same undocumented illegal immigrants gaining access to our already stretched health service, dental services, free prescriptions, effectively put in the same queues as the tax payers who have funded it for years, or even decades. This is obviosuly going to cause friction amongst natives who can't get a GP appointment, have to wait full days in A&E waiting rooms etc. For some people, the effects of mass immigration is putting a huge strain on an already stressed housing system, school places etc. I will note, none of these points should be levelled at immigrant as being their fault, ultimately it’s those in charge at Government level who have lost control of immigration, and thus gave rise to the likes of Reform and Restore Britain. I think we are more in agreement than you might think. It looks to me like you are saying it is a failure of Government on many issues like Jobs, Welfare, Health, Housing, Crime, Poverty etc and Immigration is just another one of those they have made a mess off, which I totally agree with. My real frustration is the rise of the parties you have mentioned that are full of the people who have caused the huge issues with immigration we are talking about, Reform is full of Brexit campaigners and after leaving the EU the migrant boats crisis exploded. It is also full of former Conservative MPs and Cabinet ministers responsible for setting the current immigration laws and opening the asylum Hotels. So when incidents like this happen I think of them as a criminal matter rather than one of immigration, and I wish we would as a society and a culture tackle poverty 1st rather than bang on about immigration as if it would solve or prevent any problems
Jamboross Posted March 2 Posted March 2 15 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Sad thing is its so common now its not even making the national news..yeah i know theres all that stuff happening in the middle east but not one mention on BBC as yet on their 24 news I wouldn't really expect there to be. UK national news is so South-East centric and there were, on average, 44 reported knife crimes committed in London per day last year so sadly knife crime is so common it just isn't news worthy. I'm kinda surprised it's even made the Scottish news tbh as our statistics are arguably worse per capita than London's!
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 2 Posted March 2 5 minutes ago, TuckerCarlsonsToupee said: Maybe I've got a bad case of the unconscious biases? All you need to do is give an example of something I have said that is racist. Just one. So far we have had a declaration that I am a racist...now I am using dog whistles and the language of the far right. My barrier for racism is...racism. "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalised" That seems like a nice place to start. I am definitely guilty of prejudice in my life - I haven't met anyone who hasn't ever prejudged someone, but I don't hold any views on people from ethnic groups that I apply to all members of that group. I've met some hideous people who are the same ethnicity as me...I've met some equally hideous people who are from a different ethnicity to me. I can't think of an example where I have discriminated against someone, certainly not on the grounds of race. I think the issue now is that you have backed yourself into a corner. You don't have any evidence that I'm a racist, and rather than just say "Sorry, I was a bit worked up and I said it without really thinking it through." you feel you have to double down. I think I've remained very reasonable with you, despite your name calling and very dangerous attempts to brand me as an individual who holds far right views, I haven't attempted to shut you down, I have addressed any points you have made. I don't think this is going the way you thought it would.
Sow Easy Posted March 2 Posted March 2 (edited) 8 minutes ago, TuckerCarlsonsToupee said: Maybe I've got a bad case of the unconscious biases? All you need to do is give an example of something I have said that is racist. Just one. So far we have had a declaration that I am a racist...now I am using dog whistles and the language of the far right. My barrier for racism is...racism. "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalised" That seems like a nice place to start. I am definitely guilty of prejudice in my life - I haven't met anyone who hasn't ever prejudged someone, but I don't hold any views on people from ethnic groups that I apply to all members of that group. I've met some hideous people who are the same ethnicity as me...I've met some equally hideous people who are from a different ethnicity to me. I can't think of an example where I have discriminated against someone, certainly not on the grounds of race. I think the issue now is that you have backed yourself into a corner. You don't have any evidence that I'm a racist, and rather than just say "Sorry, I was a bit worked up and I said it without really thinking it through." you feel you have to double down. I think I've remained very reasonable with you, despite your name calling and very dangerous attempts to brand me as an individual who holds far right views, I haven't attempted to shut you down, I have addressed any points you have made. I don't think this is going the way you thought it would. I've told you what I think you've said is racist, you've just used dog whistle's to do it because you're too much of a shiter to say it with your whole chest. The way you frame your argument around importing men from different cultures and it all being doomed to fail. It's racist bollocks. You think I'd ever give you an apology for it? 😂 I will apologise for the inevitable drone strike you'll receive from some guy on the internet thinking you're racist though. So much 'danger' you must be under 🤡 Edited March 2 by Sow Easy
kila Posted March 2 Posted March 2 22 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Getting back to Calders incident and leaving immigration aside, what exactly were the police doing watching the guy instead of arresting him? They don't exactly inspire confidence in their abilities to protect when to a layman, it appears they're frightened to confront him. Sounds like the same thing they do with football disorder in the ground. They stand by, film, collect evidence, then later on go round their homes days later to arrest them. We might see this guy get arrested by Wednesday next week.
Shooter McGavin Posted March 2 Posted March 2 7 minutes ago, Dennis Denuto said: I think we are more in agreement than you might think. It looks to me like you are saying it is a failure of Government on many issues like Jobs, Welfare, Health, Housing, Crime, Poverty etc and Immigration is just another one of those they have made a mess off, which I totally agree with. My real frustration is the rise of the parties you have mentioned that are full of the people who have caused the huge issues with immigration we are talking about, Reform is full of Brexit campaigners and after leaving the EU the migrant boats crisis exploded. It is also full of former Conservative MPs and Cabinet ministers responsible for setting the current immigration laws and opening the asylum Hotels. So when incidents like this happen I think of them as a criminal matter rather than one of immigration, and I wish we would as a society and a culture tackle poverty 1st rather than bang on about immigration as if it would solve or prevent any problems I suspect we probably are. To boil my points down to an absolutely fundamental level, I think a lot of our public services are at breaking point (Governments fault), and the mass immigration we've seen in the last few decades (also the Governments fault), has exacerbated these issues, and as a result, has caused a lot of friction in this country.
violater Posted March 2 Posted March 2 I witnessed the stabbing this morning I work right outside where it hapoened. Absolutely no thought for human life as he was stabbing that poor guy. It was horrific. I hope my eyes never see anything like that again.
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 2 Posted March 2 1 hour ago, Ron Burgundy said: No, calling someone racist without them saying anything racist isn't on. It's the same as me labelling you a paedo without evidence. Lazy and the calling card of the hard of thinking. Well said.
TuckerCarlsonsToupee Posted March 2 Posted March 2 Just now, Sow Easy said: I've told you what I think you've said is racist, you've just used dog whistle's to do it because you're too much of a shiter to say it with your whole chest. The way you frame your argument around importing men from different cultures and it all being doomed to fail. It's racist bollocks. You think I'd ever give you an apology? 😂 And apologies for the inevitable drone strike you'll receive from some guy on the internet thinking you're racist. So much 'danger' you must be under 🤡 I'll say absolutely everything I have said here to you, or anyone else, in person. My whole argument was not framed around importing men from different cultures. I'm sorry you don't understand the points I am making. It isn't about "brown" people being bad - it is about the fact that because of decisions taken, quite deliberately, by successive governments we have allowed many tens of thousands of men to enter our country with no checks. That is a statement of fact. I don't mention anything about race here. There are many thousands of men from countries like Ukraine, Poland, Romania, Albania, Italy, Spain, France, Germany who have entered the UK since the expansion of the EU and the Schengen Agreement. The challenge in more recent times is that many young men have entered this country without any sort of checks or having gone through the asylum process. If you don't think that poses risks then you are a fool. While certain people continue to bleat that "diversity" is our strength, the truth is that multiculturalism and mass immigration have destabilised many countries in Europe. That isn't about people being "brown", it is about the undeniable fact that a multi-racial society can be prosperous, but a society without a single, unifying, culture is doomed. A multiracial society is both inevitable and desirable in a modern democracy. However, successful diversity depends on shared civic foundations - language, law, education, and common democratic values. When cultural differences become politically entrenched or segregated rather than integrated, social tensions can increase. The goal, for someone like me, isn't less diversity - it is stronger integration. That won't happen with our current policies - and it won't happen with the policies of snake oil salesmen like Nigel Farage, or ethno-nationalists like Rupert Low, or the lunacy of someone like Nick Tenconi and his rabble in Ukip. It will require open dialogue, financial investment at home and abroad, and a desire to build rather than destroy communities.
GinRummy Posted March 2 Posted March 2 31 minutes ago, Sow Easy said: I've told you what I think you've said is racist, you've just used dog whistle's to do it because you're too much of a shiter to say it with your whole chest. The way you frame your argument around importing men from different cultures and it all being doomed to fail. It's racist bollocks. You think I'd ever give you an apology for it? 😂 I will apologise for the inevitable drone strike you'll receive from some guy on the internet thinking you're racist though. So much 'danger' you must be under 🤡 So you called him a racist then you were unable to prove anything he said was racist but he’s a clown. Back to `The Terrace for me.
...a bit disco Posted March 2 Author Posted March 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Internet said: This quote is incredible Polis can't get out of their car Spirit level man with the heroics Health & Safety gone mad, etc. "Aye boys. There's some dick with a spirit level. Looks a bit handy. He can deal with it." Not that when I fail to indicate 1 time out of 100. Edited March 2 by ...a bit disco
Bob Loblaw Posted March 2 Posted March 2 41 minutes ago, violater said: I witnessed the stabbing this morning I work right outside where it hapoened. Absolutely no thought for human life as he was stabbing that poor guy. It was horrific. I hope my eyes never see anything like that again. That's grim mate. Make sure you try to get the appropriate help to process that.
Carter Posted March 2 Posted March 2 We're welcoming some extremely dangerous people into this country, often people with nefarious intentions. It shouldn't be considered shocking to point this out. We've brought a lot of these challenges upon ourselves, sadly.
Sow Easy Posted March 2 Posted March 2 19 minutes ago, GinRummy said: So you called him a racist then you were unable to prove anything he said was racist but he’s a clown. Back to `The Terrace for me. What proof of my opinion would you like? A video of him in a Klan outfit?
GinRummy Posted March 2 Posted March 2 3 minutes ago, Sow Easy said: What proof of my opinion would you like? A video of him in a Klan outfit? It’s just bad form tbh. Calling people something nasty like a racist without proof then calling him a clown when he pulled you up for it isn’t great is it?
Serge Pizzorno Posted March 2 Posted March 2 I'm not local so pardon my ignorance, but is a stabbing not (unfortunately) common in a European capital city? Is it the fact he's an immigrant that it has caused such a response? Not that there shouldn't be a huge response, obviously, however, I am assuming there are numerous stabbing incidents in a capital city every month. Happy to be told I am wrong - genuinely curious on people's opinion.
Sow Easy Posted March 2 Posted March 2 5 minutes ago, GinRummy said: It’s just bad form tbh. Calling people something nasty like a racist without proof then calling him a clown when he pulled you up for it isn’t great is it? If you don't want to be called racist then don't say something that comes across as racist, which it does to me. That's pretty nasty and bad form, but nah let's get angry about the word racist. Priorities eh? What more proof can I provide for an opinion? And he is a clown for claiming being called a racist on a forum is somehow 'dangerous', not for pulling me up, which I never said.
The Internet Posted March 2 Posted March 2 3 minutes ago, Serge Pizzorno said: I'm not local so pardon my ignorance, but is a stabbing not (unfortunately) common in a European capital city? Is it the fact he's an immigrant that it has caused such a response? Not that there shouldn't be a huge response, obviously, however, I am assuming there are numerous stabbing incidents in a capital city every month. Happy to be told I am wrong - genuinely curious on people's opinion. I'm not sure him being an immigrant is even a fact yet People are just assuming that. But I think a guy wielding two huge knives, stabbing two people in a housing estate (close to a nursery and primary school) and holing himself up in a top floor flat in a police stand-off is pretty uncommon.
Don Dannie Posted March 2 Posted March 2 BBC radio Scotland just added it to their broadcast albeit tacked on at the end
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted March 2 Posted March 2 The police now wear stab vests anyway. Why didn't they go after him at the first opportunity. The guy could have been born here so let's wait before pointing fingers.
TuckerCarlsonsToupee Posted March 2 Posted March 2 3 minutes ago, Sow Easy said: If you don't want to be called racist then don't say something that comes across as racist, which it does to me. That's pretty nasty and bad form, but nah let's get angry about the word racist. Priorities eh? What more proof can I provide for an opinion? And he is a clown for claiming being called a racist on a forum is somehow 'dangerous', not for pulling me up, which I never said. Ah. So now it isn't racist. It just "comes across as racist". It is dangerous to call someone a racist without any evidence for it - the fact that you don't understand that, or do understand it and don't care, is something for you to work out. I've provided a very detailed explanation of my position - on more than one occasion - and you still haven't been able to show how any of it is racist.
TuckerCarlsonsToupee Posted March 2 Posted March 2 6 minutes ago, Sow Easy said: If you don't want to be called racist then don't say something that comes across as racist, which it does to me. That's pretty nasty and bad form, but nah let's get angry about the word racist. Priorities eh? What more proof can I provide for an opinion? And he is a clown for claiming being called a racist on a forum is somehow 'dangerous', not for pulling me up, which I never said. As an aside I have now also publicly derided the likes of Farage, Lowe, Tenconi and others on the British right - nationalists, ethno-nationalists, and genuine racists respectively. That doesn't seem to be the approach someone you have labelled as "far right" would take. I could go further and share with you my thoughts on National Action, Sonnenkrieg Division, FeuerKrieg Division, The Base, and others...I'll give you a clue; I'm not a fan.
TuckerCarlsonsToupee Posted March 2 Posted March 2 23 minutes ago, Sow Easy said: What proof of my opinion would you like? A video of him in a Klan outfit? So far we have you publicly calling me a racist, a supporter of the far-right, and now a Klansman. Quite the character I appear to be.
Serge Pizzorno Posted March 2 Posted March 2 9 minutes ago, The Internet said: I'm not sure him being an immigrant is even a fact yet People are just assuming that. But I think a guy wielding two huge knives, stabbing two people in a housing estate (close to a nursery and primary school) and holing himself up in a top floor flat in a police stand-off is pretty uncommon. I missed the nursery and primary school, wasn’t mentioned on Sky News. Cheers
Cade Posted March 2 Posted March 2 The police response is nothing to do with ethnicity of the suspect. The guy tried to break into the Nursery, was fought off by a couple of dudes with spirit levels, then ran down the road and smashed up a shop and chibbed a couple of people outside. That's why the armed response unit was on scene. Police have stated it's not terror related.
Debut 4 Posted March 2 Posted March 2 1 hour ago, TuckerCarlsonsToupee said: I'll say absolutely everything I have said here to you, or anyone else, in person. My whole argument was not framed around importing men from different cultures. I'm sorry you don't understand the points I am making. It isn't about "brown" people being bad - it is about the fact that because of decisions taken, quite deliberately, by successive governments we have allowed many tens of thousands of men to enter our country with no checks. That is a statement of fact. I don't mention anything about race here. There are many thousands of men from countries like Ukraine, Poland, Romania, Albania, Italy, Spain, France, Germany who have entered the UK since the expansion of the EU and the Schengen Agreement. The challenge in more recent times is that many young men have entered this country without any sort of checks or having gone through the asylum process. If you don't think that poses risks then you are a fool. While certain people continue to bleat that "diversity" is our strength, the truth is that multiculturalism and mass immigration have destabilised many countries in Europe. That isn't about people being "brown", it is about the undeniable fact that a multi-racial society can be prosperous, but a society without a single, unifying, culture is doomed. A multiracial society is both inevitable and desirable in a modern democracy. However, successful diversity depends on shared civic foundations - language, law, education, and common democratic values. When cultural differences become politically entrenched or segregated rather than integrated, social tensions can increase. The goal, for someone like me, isn't less diversity - it is stronger integration. That won't happen with our current policies - and it won't happen with the policies of snake oil salesmen like Nigel Farage, or ethno-nationalists like Rupert Low, or the lunacy of someone like Nick Tenconi and his rabble in Ukip. It will require open dialogue, financial investment at home and abroad, and a desire to build rather than destroy communities. Good post. It’s incredible how naive some are to think there isn’t a problem and fail to recognise alot of these attacks are linked to your points. Whether today’s was or not. Truth is, a hell of a lot of them are. I grew up in the Calders and saw alot growing up. Mostly local fall outs, local bams at each other, yet, still rare in the grand scheme of things when you count how long I was there. At the same time, I didn’t see everything so probably missed stuff but you’d hear on the grapevine all the same. But this shite today? Come on. Because I have a link to the Calders I start to wonder how other people have felt around UK in other places at this blatant, callous sort of thing that has happened in their areas. And by the way, far worse attacks.
Sow Easy Posted March 2 Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, TuckerCarlsonsToupee said: Ah. So now it isn't racist. It just "comes across as racist". It is dangerous to call someone a racist without any evidence for it - the fact that you don't understand that, or do understand it and don't care, is something for you to work out. I've provided a very detailed explanation of my position - on more than one occasion - and you still haven't been able to show how any of it is racist. 'Yeah I'm pretty sure you're a racist' and 'comes across as racist to me' are both consistent opinions, so I'm not sure what kind of gotcha you think you have there because there isn't one. Show me how you are in danger, in any way. And I've provided an explanation as to why what I think what you've said reads that way to me, you can go back and read it if you like. And nothing you have said has changed my mind, in fact it's reinforced it 100 fold. After all, no one tires to argue semantics, dances around trying to defend their opinions and gets offended at being called a racist more than a modern day racist.
Debut 4 Posted March 2 Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, Cade said: The police response is nothing to do with ethnicity of the suspect. The guy tried to break into the Nursery, was fought off by a couple of dudes with spirit levels, then ran down the road and smashed up a shop and chibbed a couple of people outside. That's why the armed response unit was on scene. Police have stated it's not terror related. I haven’t saw the full report yet, do you know what nursery it was? My wife used to work in the one right next to Cobbinshaw high rise flats where that arsehole was hiding.
hughesie27 Posted March 2 Posted March 2 11 minutes ago, All roads lead to Gorgie said: The police now wear stab vests anyway. Why didn't they go after him at the first opportunity. The guy could have been born here so let's wait before pointing fingers. The police, once on scene arrested him without anyone else getting injured. Don't see how their approach can be criticised.
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