Let's all calm the beans

[jock _turd]

2 minutes ago, Jamhammer said:

I reckon there are, probably understandably some Jambos of a certain vintage who are waiting for the wheels to come off because, let’s be honest they usually do. This, coupled with yer younger impatient ones leads  to overreaction and a lack of perspective when we lose.

 

Personally I’m going with we’re way better than we have been for years and, I fully expect both arse cheeks to have the odd result like ours last night 

Falkirk, Motherwell, Hibs are all capable of taking points of em

 

 

 

I am of that certain age and since 1964 for the better part all the Hearts have done is boot me in the nuts but I am still here hoping for something nice to happen again.

[Always the Hearts]

13 hours ago, Absolute Scenes said:

Could’ve been 9 ahead. 99% positive well only be 3 ahead tomorrow. All on the players and management for shiting the bed a third time away to st Mirren. It’s disgraceful 

This. If we're serious about winning the league then last night was a must win game. 

[CaptainJambo]

16 minutes ago, Jamhammer said:

I reckon there are, probably understandably some Jambos of a certain vintage who are waiting for the wheels to come off because, let’s be honest they usually do. This, coupled with yer younger impatient ones leads  to overreaction and a lack of perspective when we lose.

 

Personally I’m going with we’re way better than we have been for years and, I fully expect both arse cheeks to have the odd result like ours last night 

Falkirk, Motherwell, Hibs are all capable of taking points of em

 

 

Agreed.

 

Yeh, last night was disappointing but let’s enjoy the journey we are on this season.

I for one would certainly rather be where we were the same time last season.

 

Getting behind the team during the good and the bad can only help. Still a long way to go.

 

[Dick Dastardly]

37 minutes ago, jock _turd said:

 I think you are interpreting this wrongly. He watched a team on Saturday rip DUtd a new one then would not trust them to do the same again against a very poorly performing St Mirren side. The man shat it and decided we would play for a draw and changed the team to try get that. He is the manager I am not trying to do his job BUT I totally disagree with his approach to the game last night, it is not the way you go about winning the league. Neither Celtic nor Rangers would set out out like that, they expect to win these games.

Do you think we were playing for the draw from the start or after we went down to 10 men?

[Exile fae Main Street]

We are supposed to have 3 different class players to come in....team for next week:

 

Schwolow 

Altena

Steinwender

Findlay

Milne

Magnusson

Ageu

Leonard

Krysidis

Braga

Chesnokov/Mato

 

Halkett back for Ibrox.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[upgotheheads]

35 minutes ago, jock _turd said:

 I think you are interpreting this wrongly. He watched a team on Saturday rip DUtd a new one then would not trust them to do the same again against a very poorly performing St Mirren side. The man shat it and decided we would play for a draw and changed the team to try get that. He is the manager I am not trying to do his job BUT I totally disagree with his approach to the game last night, it is not the way you go about winning the league. Neither Celtic nor Rangers would set out out like that, they expect to win these games.

 

 I think you are interpreting this wrongly.

 

D.Utd shot themselves in the foot three times, and they finished with 9 men.   St Mirren didn't.

 

St Mirren started very well last night; they certainly weren't a poorly performing side, and rarely are.

 

His approach to the game wasn't wrong, but this time we shot ourselves in the foot, just like we did against H1b5. 5h1t happens.

 

When did we last have an easy game in Paisley?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jock _turd]

8 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said:

Do you think we were playing for the draw from the start or after we went down to 10 men?

Before the start! The objective was do not lose, which is a good start, but I don't think he set out to play the match as we did against DUtd. and try to win the game. In short he would have been quite happy with a point before a ball was kicked.

[Rudiculous]

4 hours ago, jambo191 said:

Not too upset this morning, if you gave me 4 points points out of the last 3 (Celtic, DU, St M) games on paper I would have said about right.

 

Let’s no forget some of the unbelievable results we have had along this way.

 

I was more upset with the home draws to Dundee Utd and Killie.

 

I think we will beat hibs and lose to rangers, leaving us even on points as we go into our last 6 games pre split which are quite favouable for us imo.

 

We are right in the mix in Blooms first year, we finished 7th last season. The plan was never to win the league, but we absolutely have a chance. We are punching well above our weight. 
 

Hibs biggest success this season would be if we didn’t win the league - let that sink in.

 

Keep the heads folks.

Spot on. Very disappointing night clearly but says it all about this team that I still felt we would nick a winner when it was 0-0. Let's not forget we are missing Shanks, Cammy and also a lot of our best new recruits are still getting up to fitness. Hate citing Kris Boyd as an example, but he's spot on with what he said last night; we're on a long term journey that will only see us get better. I think we've got enough to get results over the next few games which will put us in a real strong position to get to the split and still be right in the mix. 

[Dick Dastardly]

4 minutes ago, jock _turd said:

Before the start! The objective was do not lose, which is a good start, but I don't think he set out to play the match as we did against DUtd. and try to win the game. In short he would have been quite happy with a point before a ball was kicked.

I very much doubt he went there for a draw. Opinions though. 

[wmd]

2nd away game in 3 days at a tough venue. Poor 1st half, going down to 10 and taking off one of our key men who can both take the team up the park and create made it tougher. Fought well 2nd half but fell short this time.

Focus on next game....we can and will play much better...I feel we're still well in this.

[jock _turd]

9 minutes ago, upgotheheads said:

 

 I think you are interpreting this wrongly.

 

D.Utd shot themselves in the foot three times, and they finished with 9 men.   St Mirren didn't.

 

St Mirren started very well last night; they certainly weren't a poorly performing side, and rarely are.

 

His approach to the game wasn't wrong, but this time we shot ourselves in the foot, just like we did against H1b5. 5h1t happens.

 

When did we last have an easy game in Paisley?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ah right so a team 34 points behind us who had not won a game in their last six and took until the 89th min to get a goal to daw with Livingston were/are not performing poorly?

[upgotheheads]

1 minute ago, jock _turd said:

Ah right so a team 34 points behind us who had not won a game in their last six and took until the 89th min to get a goal to daw with Livingston were/are not performing poorly?

 

Certainly not against us last night, which is all that matters.

[mellors1874]

I think last night was poor but I look at it this way.

In recent times Celtic have had the league won by now that's not happening this year so there is added pressure on them and as Aberdeen in the cup final showed they buckled.

Rangers normally only have to worry only Celtic and that's not happening so added pressure on an team with only one player who has won a league title in tav.

They have to go to Motherwell and play Celtic before the split so if we do what we do then its in our hands.

Onwards and upwards.

[jock _turd]

4 minutes ago, upgotheheads said:

 

Certainly not against us last night, which is all that matters.

Given the way DM managed last nights game we brought the loss on ourselves with the negativety of his setup.

[jock _turd]

Just now, mellors1874 said:

I think last night was poor but I look at it this way.

In recent times Celtic have had the league won by now that's not happening this year so there is added pressure on them and as Aberdeen in the cup final showed they buckled.

Rangers normally only have to worry only Celtic and that's not happening so added pressure on an team with only one player who has won a league title in tav.

They have to go to Motherwell and play Celtic before the split so if we do what we do then its in our hands.

Onwards and upwards.

 

It is funny but if Celtic were in exactly the same position we were yesterday evening they would already be saying the league was over.

[spacerjoe]

A lot of folks have said that 10 wins from the final 14 would be enough.

 

Well, we've used 1 of our defeats unfortunately quite early on, but we've still got 3 left.

 

The OF games become more important now.

 

Need to start getting Ageu, Mato and Ches up to speed quickly as last night showed we need them.

[Jambof3tornado]

7 minutes ago, spacerjoe said:

A lot of folks have said that 10 wins from the final 14 would be enough.

 

Well, we've used 1 of our defeats unfortunately quite early on, but we've still got 3 left.

 

The OF games become more important now.

 

Need to start getting Ageu, Mato and Ches up to speed quickly as last night showed we need them.

We need to take points from the remaining old firm games,we also probably need to figure out how to beat motherwell!! Thankfully we wont have to worry about the mighty st mirren until next season!

[CaptainJambo]

20 minutes ago, jock _turd said:

Ah right so a team 34 points behind us who had not won a game in their last six and took until the 89th min to get a goal to daw with Livingston were/are not performing poorly?

You could say we performed poorly or not to the level we are used to last night.

 

We can’t let one game cloud our judgement of the season so far.

[Jamhammer]

53 minutes ago, Always the Hearts said:

This. If we're serious about winning the league then last night was a must win game. 

Not being a dick but if we won last night and lost at Ibrox would we accept it 

 

We win there we get the points dropped back 

[Always the Hearts]

38 minutes ago, upgotheheads said:

 

 I think you are interpreting this wrongly.

 

D.Utd shot themselves in the foot three times, and they finished with 9 men.   St Mirren didn't.

 

St Mirren started very well last night; they certainly weren't a poorly performing side, and rarely are.

 

His approach to the game wasn't wrong, but this time we shot ourselves in the foot, just like we did against H1b5. 5h1t happens.

 

When did we last have an easy game in Paisley?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Eh? Have you checked the league table and their recent results? They've been utter garbage for months. 

[boag1874]

1 hour ago, jock _turd said:

 I think you are interpreting this wrongly. He watched a team on Saturday rip DUtd a new one then would not trust them to do the same again against a very poorly performing St Mirren side. The man shat it and decided we would play for a draw and changed the team to try get that. He is the manager I am not trying to do his job BUT I totally disagree with his approach to the game last night, it is not the way you go about winning the league. Neither Celtic nor Rangers would set out out like that, they expect to win these games.

I don’t believe for a second he played for a draw, he’s never played for a draw the whole time he’s been here. He overthought it though & went for too much physicality & not enough technicality, tried to match up with them all over the pitch at the expense of creativity especially down the right.

[upgotheheads]

2 minutes ago, Always the Hearts said:

Eh? Have you checked the league table and their recent results? They've been utter garbage for months. 

 

But they weren't gash last night.

[Always the Hearts]

1 minute ago, Jamhammer said:

Not being a dick but if we won last night and lost at Ibrox would we accept it 

 

We win there we get the points dropped back 

All ifs and buts about Ibrox and won't win if we play like we did against St Mirren. Last night was massive, and we made an arse of it. I like a positive spin as much as the next guy, but that performance and result were appalling. 

[gordon simpson]

56 minutes ago, CaptainJambo said:

Agreed.

 

Yeh, last night was disappointing but let’s enjoy the journey we are on this season.

I for one would certainly rather be where we were the same time last season.

 

Getting behind the team during the good and the bad can only help. Still a long way to go.

 

would not swap our season so far for any other teams 

[Always the Hearts]

Just now, upgotheheads said:

 

But they weren't gash last night.

I know that. You said they are rarely poor, which simply isn't true. They've been mince for ages and that was their first goal scored at home in four games. 

[Pasquale for King]

46 minutes ago, Always the Hearts said:

Eh? Have you checked the league table and their recent results? They've been utter garbage for months. 

They’ve only scored 18 goals all season in the league, 4 against us in 2 home games. 

[Pasquale for King]

44 minutes ago, upgotheheads said:

 

But they weren't gash last night.

Because we didn’t play the way we needed to as others have to exploit their obvious weaknesses.

[upgotheheads]

Just now, Pasquale for King said:

Because we didn’t play the way we needed to as others have to exploit their obvious weaknesses.

 

Thank goodness we won't have to play them again. One of my best pals happens to be a St Mirren supporter, and he's a master of the gloat.

[Chillidigits]

15 hours ago, Cruickie's Moustache said:

A result like tonight was always going to be on the cards for any Hearts fan with long memories.

 

Hate losing to that brutal manky mob but it's not the end of the world.

 

Let's regroup and stay positive and strong.

 

A lot of football still to be played over the next few months.

A team that never lost a game doesn't exist. 

[hmfcbilly]

Think it was Danny Rohl who said recently that they would see where they ended up in May and he wasnt overly concerned about now (or words to this effect). Wee bit of reverse pyscology on his part I suspect, but also an element of truth. Rangers and Celtic have this arrogance and belief in that statement, I'm not sure we, as a club truly have this yet. Hopefully get back on track with a win v the hobos next Tuesday. I'm sure the players will be hurting and raring to go after last night's disappointment 

[GBJambo]

1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said:

They’ve only scored 18 goals all season in the league, 4 against us in 2 home games. 

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[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

St Mirren clearly performed far better than they have last night, and we played right into it, by trying to play measured football from the back, when we did go long it just came back. 

 

St Mirren measure up well against, particularly in Paisley, since they are probably the only side more physical than ourselves.

 

We are probably punching above our weight too, which is something very much missed throughout the season

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

1 minute ago, GBJambo said:

3 

Or 1 against 10 men in about 150 mins of football including added time, the last 2 matches

[G McJambo]

1 hour ago, Chillidigits said:

A team that never lost a game doesn't exist. 

Apart from Celtic for example in their invincibles season (all domestic games) other teams elsewhere have done it too.   Clearly no team in Scotland is capable of this at the moment though.  

[The Treasurer]

So much knee jerking going on after one, admittedly very poor performance.

Lets be clear.

The league wasn't won when results went our way at the weekend to put us 6 points clear. Equally, the league is not lost if, as is likely, we are pegged back to a 3 point lead after tonight 

[selkirkhmfc1874]

5 minutes ago, The Treasurer said:

So much knee jerking going on after one, admittedly very poor performance.

Lets be clear.

The league wasn't won when results went our way at the weekend to put us 6 points clear. Equally, the league is not lost if, as is likely, we are pegged back to a 3 point lead after tonight 

As I've said on another thread there's 11 teams in the league who'd love to be in our position 

[Paul Shark]

3 hours ago, Exile fae Main Street said:

We are supposed to have 3 different class players to come in....team for next week:

 

Schwolow 

Altena

Steinwender

Findlay

Milne

Magnusson

Ageu

Leonard

Krysidis

Braga

Chesnokov/Mato

 

Halkett back for Ibrox.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd love to see something along that lines, possibly McCart replacing Finlay but there isn't a hope in hell we'll see 4 or 5 attacking players + Altena and Milne.  I reckon if we see Ageu replacing Beni and Kent replacing Halkett Del will feel that he's throwing caution to the wind.

[NottsJambo]

I was thinking of starting a new thread to say this, but I can't cope with the grief I'd get, but...not winning the league would not be a disaster. Gutting, yes. But I worry Hearts fan have gone all-in on this year rather than viewing the slightly longer term. 

 

Unless we have a complete collapse, this season is already the success we hoped for at the start of the season. By building it up into a 'now or never' leads to this being seen as a curse, or mental block, rather than what it is: the very ear;y stage of a new era.

[Ex member of the SaS]

4 hours ago, jock _turd said:

Given the way DM managed last nights game we brought the loss on ourselves with the negativety of his setup.

Agreed and if he had left Kyzi on we had a far better chance of nicking a goal. Benni and Kabore were having a poor game and any competent manager would have seen we were getting hammered in the first 10 minutes, with their high press and made changes. Near impossible ( yes Sevco have ) to win every game, but we should not be dropping points to St Mirren

[south morocco]

4 hours ago, boag1874 said:

I don’t believe for a second he played for a draw, he’s never played for a draw the whole time he’s been here. He overthought it though & went for too much physicality & not enough technicality, tried to match up with them all over the pitch at the expense of creativity especially down the right.

I think he was happy with a draw as the game wore on. Why did he bring on Kerjota and Ageu with 90 seconds to go after they scored. Strange one. 

[merseyjambo]

Last night was a tough watch.

 

From the outset we didn’t seem at the races. We were playing their game by playing  knocking the ball around at the back and allowing them to put pressure on from their strikers and unsettling us which was directly responsible for the sending off or forcing us to go long to strikers those balls are not suited to. 

 

We got our formation wrong and personnel wrong last night and that is on Del.

 

It didn’t help that some of their players were booting ours off the park and not even getting spoken to.
 

It also showed that there are a couple of players who really should not be at Tynecastle next season. 
 

What I don’t get, is the writing off of Kabore. The way we were playing, I doubt that even if we’d had Shankland up front that things would have been different. We played to neither of their strengths especially after going down to 10 men. 
 

It is onwards but it leaves us no room for error against Hibs and having to take something from Ibrox.
 

[Kells_On_Jackson]

I think Deek wanted to beat St. Mirren at their own game, but they out-StMirrened him.

But, we'll never know because I've yet to see a UK journo ask a non softball question to him, or in fact, any manager really tbh 

 

[boag1874]

2 hours ago, south morocco said:

I think he was happy with a draw as the game wore on. Why did he bring on Kerjota and Ageu with 90 seconds to go after they scored. Strange one. 

Yeah I think when we were down to 10 he probably would have been happy enough to escape with a point but I don’t think that was his thinking pre kickoff with his selection 

[pettigrewsstylist]

8 hours ago, mellors1874 said:

I think last night was poor but I look at it this way.

In recent times Celtic have had the league won by now that's not happening this year so there is added pressure on them and as Aberdeen in the cup final showed they buckled.

Rangers normally only have to worry only Celtic and that's not happening so added pressure on an team with only one player who has won a league title in tav.

They have to go to Motherwell and play Celtic before the split so if we do what we do then its in our hands.

Onwards and upwards.

Yip, we need to recover and get back on it but these red cards are killing us on top of Shanks and Devlin. Milne is going to burn out and Kyzi cant shake 3 guys all game. We cant progress with a whole side of the pitch with a massive band aid over it most weeks.

We are still the league leaders tho. If we are still there after Ipox, then games get easier.