Wilson on loan to spurs (title updated)

[luckyBatistuta]

14 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

Not sure being a squad filler for their u23s is all that great tbh. No doubt he'll learn a lot but I think he could have got a move somewhere that there is more chance of him getting to a first team. Hey, long as they give us loadsa money 💰 

If he shines down there, his career could go to a different stratosphere. He will be around and working with one of the biggest clubs in world football, don’t see how that can’t be good for his career. It’s now up to him to shine and show his talent.  Money would be good yes😎

[Ibrahim Tall]

15 minutes ago, Seaside Dave said:

Looks like arsenal will pay a small loan fee and cover his wages for the duration. This could lead to a free transfer to arsenal after 18 months. Not sure how this is good for hearts other than saving money on his wages. No idea what the small loan fee is either but doubt it's millions 

What

There isn't a chance in hell we’re loaning him out for 18 months with a small/no fee and letting him leave on a free. 
 

It’ll be until the summer.  If not we’d just sell now.

Edited February 2 by Ibrahim Tall

[Gorgie_Rules]

33 minutes ago, Niall said:

 

 That makes no sense. He isn't going to play for Aresenal this season (they are also going for a title) and he isn't going to play for us either. He needs a loan to a level where he is going to play regularly to get his career back on track.

 

 Or a move to a straight move Arsenal where he would get a better standard of coaching and development would be preferable. If we had a sell on clause we would benefit eventually.

 

 McIness wants to get "his players" in and it is clear that Wilson isn't one of them. That is, to an extent, understandable.

Going down to play in Arsenal’s development team with some of the best coaches in the world is going to do him no harm, so from that point of view it does make sense. He doesn’t need to get his career ‘back on track’. He is 18 years old, over 40 first team appearances, 37 at lowland league level, capped for Scotland, he is miles ahead of 99% of kids his age in terms of his career.

 

Your original point was that McIness is giving him derisory minutes and that the club should loan him. For one, who misses out in this league challenging team to give an 18 year old more minutes? And two, the club are discussing a loan move for him, one which is arguably much better than going to a League One Scottish side, and gives him an opportunity to go in the shop window for big money.

 

Not to mention he has 3 years left on his contract. The club have handled his development and contractual situation very well so far. 
 

 

Edited February 2 by Gorgie_Rules

[Footballfirst]

1 minute ago, luckyBatistuta said:

If he shines down there, his career could go to a different stratosphere. He will be around and working with one of the biggest clubs in world football, don’t see how that can’t be good for his career. It’s now up to him to shine and show his talent.  Money would be good yes😎

I agree, Arsenal has already given game time this season to two lads who are younger than James, in Ethan Nwaneri and Max Dowman. That pair are exception talents, but it does show that a pathway exists at Arsenal. In Nwaneri's case, he's just gone on loan to Marseille in the last week, so will continue to get a great development opportunity there.

[rudi must stay]

56 minutes ago, Morgan said:

First name on the teamsheet?

 

He's good, rudi, that's for sure.

 

But, first name?  

 

 

In the big games. Give him experience toughen him up

[Maroonjam]

1 hour ago, Niall said:

Really hope the club don't stand in his way. McIness giving him a derisory 2-3 minutes every six weeks isn't cutting it as a development strategy.

Can't believe he has had zero chances this season. He didn't look out of place last year and would have loved to have seen him.more this season. But McInnes isnt know for playing youth. If he goes its with best wishes. 

[luckyBatistuta]

4 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

I agree, Arsenal has already given game time this season to two lads who are younger than James, in Ethan Nwaneri and Max Dowman. That pair are exception talents, but it does show that a pathway exists at Arsenal. In Nwaneri's case, he's just gone on loan to Marseille in the last week, so will continue to get a great development opportunity there.

Yup, it’s over to you James. I don’t doubt you for a second. Show them what you’ve got. 

[gwd1957]

6 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

I agree, Arsenal has already given game time this season to two lads who are younger than James, in Ethan Nwaneri and Max Dowman. That pair are exception talents, but it does show that a pathway exists at Arsenal. In Nwaneri's case, he's just gone on loan to Marseille in the last week, so will continue to get a great development opportunity there.

Hearts want 8m for Wilson ,on one of the Arsenal pages

[El Prez]

Just now, Maroonjam said:

Can't believe he has had zero chances this season. He didn't look out of place last year and would have loved to have seen him.more this season. But McInnes isnt know for playing youth. If he goes its with best wishes. 

David Wilson might disagree.

[maroonshrew]

Previously, I was dead against him going anywhere as I thought he'd be more involved and have more games/goals to his name and we'd sell him as a first team player not a first team prospect. 

However, given this season and our success I wouldn't want to stand in the way of an opportunity like Arsenal. He could be playing Youth Champions League football or some exciting loan moves to clubs in Europe. So providing we get a good fee, and a good sell on, I'd love to see him go on and succeed somewhere like that. 

[Glamorgan Jambo]

Just a reminder that Arsenal have Cardiff £5 million for a 17 year old Aaron Ramsey almost 20 years ago. With less first team experience (Championship) than Wilson has. Hopefully Bloom’s team is well aware of his value.

[Dia Liom]

What next? Kabunga off to PSG?

[Victorian]

£8m is insane.   He's talented but he simply hasn't had enough exposure to justify that kind of fee.   But if we can get a chunk of it then all good.   It's a pity that it sounds like Arsenal aren't committing to buy right now.

[Doc Rob]

41 minutes ago, Seaside Dave said:

Looks like arsenal will pay a small loan fee and cover his wages for the duration. This could lead to a free transfer to arsenal after 18 months. Not sure how this is good for hearts other than saving money on his wages. No idea what the small loan fee is either but doubt it's millions 

This is the bit I don’t understand. He already has a full international cap (a bit prematurely TBH, but whatever). He’s under contract and we could ask for a decent fee. So why are we loaning him to them, paving the way to losing him for nothing at the end of his contract? It’s as if we’re actively avoiding making any money. Can’t see what is in it for Hearts?

 

A loan only makes any sense to me if we intend for him to come back, and if that’s the case then the Arsenal youth team seems a slightly strange choice of destination. Have we maybe agreed a purchase price should Arsenal wish to sign him permanently at the end of the season?

Edited February 2 by Doc Rob

[Masonic]

5 minutes ago, Dia Liom said:

What next? Kabunga off to PSG?

 

Back to usg hopefully 

[The Maroon Jacket]

Where are people getting Wilson would be an Under 23 player, if Arsenal are investing millions they will want to fast track him into the senior squad asap, you just have to look at all the top clubs like PSG giving teenagers and youth players a platform who had 4 or 5 under 20 last season 

He will improve quicker with high level players around him let's hope we get a good 6 million with add and sell ons in the deal 

[Doc Rob]

Whatever is going on here, I fervently hope the club are handling it better than we handled, for example, the Hickey situation. We are absolutely terrible at getting decent money for our players, though Penrice for £2m was encouraging.

[spacerjoe]

Think we can all agree that a loan will be good for him while his chances are limited here.

 

Get some first team experience and come back in the summer to stake a claim.

 

Might even win a trophy or four down there, which would be great for his confidence.

[The new West End]

They have been tracking him for a long time so good that he is going there

[Captain Sausage]

Anyone thinking Arsenal are gearing up to pay Hearts £8m for our 5th string striker, with expectations that he'll support their EPL title charge, is absolutely on drugs.

 

If it's a loan without obligation to buy that's on the table, it seems to me a deal which is good for Arsenal's U21/23 team and good for James Wilson, but bad for Hearts.

Edited February 2 by Captain Sausage

[maroonshrew]

3 minutes ago, spacerjoe said:

Think we can all agree that a loan will be good for him while his chances are limited here.

 

Get some first team experience and come back in the summer to stake a claim.

 

Might even win a trophy or four down there, which would be great for his confidence.

Genuinely asking in case i've misunderstood.

Do you mean a loan move to get first team experience at Arsenal? Cos he would obviously be absolutely no where near their first team. 

[maroonshrew]

1 minute ago, Captain Sausage said:

Anyone thinking Arsenal are gearing up to pay Hearts £8m for our 5th string striker, with expectations that he'll support their EPL title charge, is absolutely on drugs.

 

If it's a loan without obligation to buy that's on the table, it seems to me a deal which is good for Arsenal's U21/23 team and good for James Wilson, but bad for Hearts.

Yea only thing I can think is maybe it's a 6 month loan instead of purchase because we want a 'in case of emergency' recall clause in case an injury crisis leaves us short in a title race. However they'd rather he started his development at Arsenal pronto, then in the summer theyre obliged to buy?

[Seaside Dave]

43 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

Says who?

Me? Makes zero sense to loan him out with covering bases of a fee and wages. There's no point in this deal at all if none of that happens. Arsenal academy needs forwards at the minute. That's most likely where he will end up. Be amazed if it's first team considering we've already started leaving out MLS from squads as not enough spaces on the bench 

[Captain Sausage]

Just now, maroonshrew said:

Yea only thing I can think is maybe it's a 6 month loan instead of purchase because we want a 'in case of emergency' recall clause in case an injury crisis leaves us short in a title race. However they'd rather he started his development at Arsenal pronto, then in the summer theyre obliged to buy?

 

Not sure we would be able to recall an international loanee after the window shuts? I don't think that is possible.

 

Loan with obligation to buy just reeks of FFP gameplay, keeping player transfer costs off the books this season. But I saw some journalist saying it's just a 6 month loan with no obligation - which makes zero sense from a Hearts perspective.

[spacerjoe]

3 minutes ago, maroonshrew said:

Genuinely asking in case i've misunderstood.

Do you mean a loan move to get first team experience at Arsenal? Cos he would obviously be absolutely no where near their first team. 

Yes, him winning the quadruple with Arsenal was just a joke, don't worry.

 

Just found it odd that they are trying to loan him.

Edited February 2 by spacerjoe

[maroonshrew]

Just now, Captain Sausage said:

 

Not sure we would be able to recall an international loanee after the window shuts? I don't think that is possible.

 

Loan with obligation to buy just reeks of FFP gameplay, keeping player transfer costs off the books this season. But I saw some journalist saying it's just a 6 month loan with no obligation - which makes zero sense from a Hearts perspective.

ah yea FFP of course. 

hmm yea loans can be recalled outside of the window but prob not if theres an obligation to buy, youre right. That really would be a weird deal for us. They get 6 months to work out if they wanna stump up cash and we get...not much. 

[maroonshrew]

1 minute ago, spacerjoe said:

Yes, him winning the quadruple with Arsenal was just a joke, don't worry.

 

Just found it odd that they are trying to loan him.

ah ok, i thought as much. You just never know on here. 

[Walter Bishop]

We turned done a multi million offer from Newcastle in the summer. 

[tian447]

This is something that he should grab with both hands and fling himself at. 

 

It's a chance to develop at a World Class team, with access to coaching, physios, sports scientists, etc that we could not dream of at Tynecastle. 

 

Go and do it, and if it doesn't work out, who cares? 

[cuthy2k]

Wilson deal 'a loan with a view to permanent signing'published at 12:54 GMT

12:54 GMT

Image source,Getty Images

We've got a little bit more information on that out of the blue transfer news from earlier concerning Arsenal's approach to sign 18-year-old forward James Wilson from Hearts.

BBC Sport Senior football correspondent Sami Mokbel says that discussions are over a proposed loan deal for the remainder of the season, with a view to signing the forward on a permanent basis should he impress during his time in north London.

The teenager has already been capped by Scotland and has scored eight goals in 21 starts for the Edinburgh club, including two goals in 10 appearances this season.

It is expected he will compete for a spot within Arsenal's U21s side and is not considered a first team signing.

Edited February 2 by cuthy2k

[spacerjoe]

4 minutes ago, maroonshrew said:

ah ok, i thought as much. You just never know on here. 

This is true!

 

Needed a clarifying emoji 😅

[Seaside Dave]

8 minutes ago, Captain Sausage said:

 

Not sure we would be able to recall an international loanee after the window shuts? I don't think that is possible.

 

Loan with obligation to buy just reeks of FFP gameplay, keeping player transfer costs off the books this season. But I saw some journalist saying it's just a 6 month loan with no obligation - which makes zero sense from a Hearts perspective.

Arsenal where on brink of crossing over the ffp line. That's why hincappie was a loan deal in summer and pay 45mil in July counts as next season. Although 93 mil from winning All 8 league phase games in champs league has helped also 😎

[Australis]

Looking forward to young James driving about London in a Ferrari and turning up for training in a Porsche.

 

Great a club the size of Arsenal have seen something in him.

Hope the loan deal works out well for him if it happens.

 

[Chaka Demus & pliers]

18 minutes ago, Doc Rob said:

Whatever is going on here, I fervently hope the club are handling it better than we handled, for example, the Hickey situation. We are absolutely terrible at getting decent money for our players, though Penrice for £2m was encouraging.

 

The whole JTA process is built on selling players at the right time and getting maximum value. I'd be very confident that the club are well on top of this type of thing now.

[busbyfth]

Would rather he went to a Dundee club/Killie/Falkirk etc to get loads of game time - develop...and score against our league rivals. We score in all ways and he progresses. The Arsenal thing is a huge gamble, as he will end up on loan at a League One club ...his parents input will decide this 

[AndyNic]

18 minutes ago, Captain Sausage said:

Anyone thinking Arsenal are gearing up to pay Hearts £8m for our 5th string striker, with expectations that he'll support their EPL title charge, is absolutely on drugs.

 

If it's a loan without obligation to buy that's on the table, it seems to me a deal which is good for Arsenal's U21/23 team and good for James Wilson, but bad for Hearts.

 

You're absolutely spot on. Should be at least £10m.

[Elmo]

This is not a surprise Arsenal have kept tabs on him for 2 years and Hearts have were well aware  .

whether it transpires into a lucrative deal for Hearts will depend on the next 6 months. 
He has something for sure. 

 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, rudi must stay said:

If I was manager he'd be my first name on the team sheet in the big games (Celtic, Rangers and Hibs) he has alot of potential. Good luck to him he will be a great player

He would be shrugged aside by those club’s defenders, he’s 5th choice striker for a reason, the other strikers apart from the Captain have more potential and are ready to play right now, we are trying to win the league here. 

[GinRummy]

Not convinced this is a great deal for Hearts. If he goes to Arsenal on loan and doesn’t impress what then? 

[Glamorgan Jambo]

Could be lots of reasons the buy isn’t mandatory or it’s only just a loan. Bloom’s people (JTA) will be well aware of the market and the options.

[feej]

Hearts will demand a whopping fee to green light James Wilson’s proposed short term switch to Arsenal.

 

Record Sport understands the Premier League leaders contacted Tynecastle top brass over the weekend to express interest in taking the 18-year-old striker into their development squad until the end of the season.

[Marcus Cicero]

Great move for James Wilson, not sure what’s in it for Hearts unless of course they loan us someone else in return? 

[rudi must stay]

11 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

He would be shrugged aside by those club’s defenders, he’s 5th choice striker for a reason, the other strikers apart from the Captain have more potential and are ready to play right now, we are trying to win the league here. 

 

It all reminds me of Jason Holt when we won the Championship. Great player but he was underused that was one of Neilson's failings. Special talents should be given a chance look at Man Utd under Ferguson: Scholes, Beckham, Butt, The Neville's you give them game time 

[DixieNormous]

14 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Not convinced this is a great deal for Hearts. If he goes to Arsenal on loan and doesn’t impress what then? 

gets games, saves a few quid - no worse off ?

[Taffin]

49 minutes ago, The Maroon Jacket said:

Where are people getting Wilson would be an Under 23 player, if Arsenal are investing millions they will want to fast track him into the senior squad asap, you just have to look at all the top clubs like PSG giving teenagers and youth players a platform who had 4 or 5 under 20 last season 

He will improve quicker with high level players around him let's hope we get a good 6 million with add and sell ons in the deal 

 

Probably because he's not good enough to be a regular for us and therefore even further away, miles even, from being a first team player for arsenal.

 

Even at £8m being bandied about, it's an absolute punt for them for the future.

 

I'm absolutely confident the club will make the right call this time around. No more amateur stuff with letting him walk out the door like Hickey.

[Pasquale for King]

1 minute ago, rudi must stay said:

 

It all reminds me of Jason Holt when we won the Championship. Great player but he was underused that was one of Neilson's failings. Special talents should be given a chance look at Man Utd under Ferguson: Scholes, Beckham, Butt, The Neville's you give them game time 

Holt was misused as a 10 by Locke, again though Neilson was trying to win a league but probably could’ve used Holt more. He hardly went onto better things after moving to Rangers though. 
Ferguson had nothing to lose when playing that group, all of whom are likely to have been better than Wilson at that age and didn’t have 4 better players ahead of them in their position. 
McInnes sticks with what he trusts, I would prefer a more attacking approach whilst using more attackers, but it’s difficult to complain about him when you consider where we are. If we win the league nobody will care about James Wilson not playing more often.

[Taffin]

19 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Not convinced this is a great deal for Hearts. If he goes to Arsenal on loan and doesn’t impress what then? 

 

What's the alternative, stay at Hearts and not impress? What then?

 

Even if he does nothing there, it'll add more value to the next move for us than a continuation of the last 6 months.

[rudi must stay]

2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Holt was misused as a 10 by Locke, again though Neilson was trying to win a league but probably could’ve used Holt more. He hardly went onto better things after moving to Rangers though. 
Ferguson had nothing to lose when playing that group, all of whom are likely to have been better than Wilson at that age and didn’t have 4 better players ahead of them in their position. 
McInnes sticks with what he trusts, I would prefer a more attacking approach whilst using more attackers, but it’s difficult to complain about him when you consider where we are. If we win the league nobody will care about James Wilson not playing more often.

 

Very true 

[GinRummy]

3 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

What's the alternative, stay at Hearts and not impress? What then?

 

Even if he does nothing there, it'll add more value to the next move for us than a continuation of the last 6 months.

I don’t know but I’d seriously doubt whether it’s Arsenal or nothing at all. We knocked a bid back from Newcastle in the summer and those are just two of the clubs we know about. 
 

Of course it might just be Arsenal interested but I can’t see it. 

Edited February 2 by GinRummy

[Penrices left boot]

1 hour ago, Maroonjam said:

Can't believe he has had zero chances this season. He didn't look out of place last year and would have loved to have seen him.more this season. But McInnes isnt know for playing youth. If he goes its with best wishes. 

 

 

McInnes will play the players he feels is best regardless of age.

Wilson isn't better than Shankland or Braga and Kabore offers something very different.

 

Wilson isn't playing as he's been kept out by better and on form players, not because he's young.

 

His methods are completely justified as well.