Watt-Zeefuik Posted January 8 Posted January 8 The revolt in Iran probably deserves its own thread. State buildings, possibly including state media, have been torched. https://mstdn.social/@noelreports/115861222402752480 Of course it may get brutally crushed like others have. But maybe not.
Dennis Reynolds Posted January 8 Posted January 8 1 hour ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: The revolt in Iran probably deserves its own thread. State buildings, possibly including state media, have been torched. https://mstdn.social/@noelreports/115861222402752480 Of course it may get brutally crushed like others have. But maybe not. Does seem to be a bit more oomph in this one. Internet now shut off.
Ulysses Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Back to the future... Internet service in Iran cut off or restricted as deadly protests reach a possible tipping point - CBS News
His name is Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Seen lots of this being reported on twitter but dosent seem to be in the mainstream media. Strange
Tazio Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) 27 minutes ago, His name is said: Seen lots of this being reported on twitter but dosent seem to be in the mainstream media. Strange Look at the BBC News site or the app and it there is a live feed at the top of the page. Edited January 9 by Tazio
Tazio Posted January 9 Posted January 9 It doesn’t get much more mainstream. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/clyzjn0w9l2t
Jacques de Gauthier Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Get the Iranians back to normality. I’ve never met a single Iranian who was positive about the government there.
New Town Loafer Posted January 9 Posted January 9 8 hours ago, Jacques de Gauthier said: Get the Iranians back to normality. I’ve never met a single Iranian who was positive about the government there. Makes sense if you’ve met them outside Iran, to be fair.
Jacques de Gauthier Posted January 9 Posted January 9 30 minutes ago, New Town Loafer said: Makes sense if you’ve met them outside Iran, to be fair. Honestly mate, some of the stories I’ve heard make the Taliban sound like free love liberal hippies.
Cruyff Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Go on the Iranians, get the Mullahs tae **** and come join the rest of us in the 21st Century. Iran becoming a democracy, would be a game changer.
Malinga the Swinga Posted January 9 Posted January 9 I've no idea what type of regime would govern Iran if the current one falls, but it's hard to imagine, from an Iranian civilian point of view, that it could get worse. Hopefully they can regain their country and become a normalised, whatever that means these days, country.
Pap Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: I've no idea what type of regime would govern Iran if the current one falls, but it's hard to imagine, from an Iranian civilian point of view, that it could get worse. Hopefully they can regain their country and become a normalised, whatever that means these days, country. The old Shah's son looks to be the one. Certainly to help with the transition. Comes across as a decent guy, thankfully. Theres interviews with him on Youtube about it all. Edited January 9 by Pap
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted January 9 Posted January 9 33 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Go on the Iranians, get the Mullahs tae **** and come join the rest of us in the 21st Century. Iran becoming a democracy, would be a game changer. The irony of Iran possibly becoming a democracy and the US going the opposite way is something none of us would have ever thought about not so long ago !
Dapper Posted January 9 Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Pap said: The old Shah's son looks to be the one. Certainly to help with the transition. Comes across as a decent guy, thankfully. Theres interviews with him on Youtube about it all. The guy that hasn't lived in the country for like 40 years? I can't see it happening. I think we're probably looking at a Julani scenario where we see someone come from out of nowhere so to speak to take over.
JudyJudyJudy Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Hopefully the people overthrow that barbaric Middle Ages regime . Hopefully within any western input either
Dapper Posted January 9 Posted January 9 8 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Hopefully the people overthrow that barbaric Middle Ages regime . Hopefully within any western input either It's a bit too late for that to be fair. Iran has been one of the most sanctioned regimes in the world (probably THE most sanctioned until Russia invaded Ukraine). So there is already a lot of western input. The entire strategy is "make the average people suffer until they have no choice but to overthrow the government". It's taken decades but it looks like they are finally getting a return on investment haha
JudyJudyJudy Posted January 9 Posted January 9 5 minutes ago, Dapper said: It's a bit too late for that to be fair. Iran has been one of the most sanctioned regimes in the world (probably THE most sanctioned until Russia invaded Ukraine). So there is already a lot of western input. The entire strategy is "make the average people suffer until they have no choice but to overthrow the government". It's taken decades but it looks like they are finally getting a return on investment haha Fair enough .
Pap Posted January 9 Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Dapper said: The guy that hasn't lived in the country for like 40 years? I can't see it happening. I think we're probably looking at a Julani scenario where we see someone come from out of nowhere so to speak to take over. They've been shouting out his name during the protests and he has been engaging with them. Its not like he/they just stopped taking interest in Iran since the family was ousted.
Cruyff Posted January 9 Posted January 9 2 hours ago, All roads lead to Gorgie said: The irony of Iran possibly becoming a democracy and the US going the opposite way is something none of us would have ever thought about not so long ago ! very true!
Dapper Posted January 9 Posted January 9 7 minutes ago, Pap said: They've been shouting out his name during the protests and he has been engaging with them. Its not like he/they just stopped taking interest in Iran since the family was ousted. We'll see. My friend is just back from visiting Iran (he moved out during the Revolution) and he is very much in the "Reza" camp. However, the impression I get from him is that Reza is more popular amongst Iranian expats rather than people inside the country. We'll just have to wait and see but I suspect we'll see someone sort of come out of nowhere to take control.
Tazio Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) It needs to become a democracy of some sort. A new Shah won’t bring that, there’s a good reason he was overthrown back in the day. Edited January 9 by Tazio
FWJ Posted January 9 Posted January 9 12 minutes ago, Tazio said: It needs to become a democracy of some sort. A new Shah won’t bring that, there’s a good reason he was overthrown back in the day. Perhaps a different type of Shah. Replacing a fascist regime in Spain with a constitutional monarchy has worked - indeed it could be said the intervention of King Juan Carlos saved the fledgling democracy from a military coup in 1981.
New Town Loafer Posted January 9 Posted January 9 4 hours ago, Jacques de Gauthier said: Honestly mate, some of the stories I’ve heard make the Taliban sound like free love liberal hippies. Any examples? Find the whole history of the place fascinating.
New Town Loafer Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) Great animated film - Persepolis - about the Islamic revolution, by the way. Also serves as a great example of the foolishness of a hard-Left alliance with Islam. Edited January 9 by New Town Loafer
Jacques de Gauthier Posted January 9 Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, New Town Loafer said: Any examples? Find the whole history of the place fascinating. A woman smuggled out of the country because she was caught drinking at a party. Some of the other people, without the means to get out, at the party have disappeared entirely. Men tortured for their wives not adhering to certain clothing laws. Forced marriage of women who had the temerity to socialise with men.
Jacques de Gauthier Posted January 9 Posted January 9 4 minutes ago, New Town Loafer said: Great animated film - Persepolis - about the Islamic revolution, by the way. Also serves as a great example of the foolishness of a hard-Left alliance with Islam. Free Palestine!
New Town Loafer Posted January 9 Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, Jacques de Gauthier said: A woman smuggled out of the country because she was caught drinking at a party. Some of the other people, without the means to get out, at the party have disappeared entirely. Men tortured for their wives not adhering to certain clothing laws. Forced marriage of women who had the temerity to socialise with men. Christ almighty.
Jacques de Gauthier Posted January 9 Posted January 9 3 minutes ago, New Town Loafer said: Christ almighty. It’s a shame, because Iranians generally have a great sense of humour, an appreciation of their history, and some of the birds are tremendous.
Watt-Zeefuik Posted January 9 Author Posted January 9 4 hours ago, Pap said: The old Shah's son looks to be the one. Certainly to help with the transition. Comes across as a decent guy, thankfully. Theres interviews with him on Youtube about it all. Absolutely not. **** that guy, and **** the Shah. Hereditary rulers GTF. 3 hours ago, All roads lead to Gorgie said: The irony of Iran possibly becoming a democracy and the US going the opposite way is something none of us would have ever thought about not so long ago ! Of course the real irony is that Iran had a democracy until MI6 and the CIA helped overthrow it in 1953 to protect our oil interests. (this isn't conspiracy theory, we admitted to it in 2013 and released all the documents.) We made the Shah into a dictator who was absolutely brutal until the 1979 revolution which was led by radical democrats but was hijacked by the mullahs. 47 minutes ago, New Town Loafer said: Great animated film - Persepolis - about the Islamic revolution, by the way. Also serves as a great example of the foolishness of a hard-Left alliance with Islam. Agree about Persepolis. It's a great film. Second sentence ruins this post though. There's no "Islam" to make an alliance with. There's two major sects and dozens of minor ones and both major sects have branches that are murderous reactionaries and branches that are radically peaceful, democratic, and tolerant. Guaranteed that 90% of the folks in the streets risking their lives to topple the mullahs consider themselves devout Muslims.
Pap Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) 2 hours ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: Absolutely not. **** that guy, and **** the Shah. Hereditary rulers GTF. Of course the real irony is that Iran had a democracy until MI6 and the CIA helped overthrow it in 1953 to protect our oil interests. (this isn't conspiracy theory, we admitted to it in 2013 and released all the documents.) We made the Shah into a dictator who was absolutely brutal until the 1979 revolution which was led by radical democrats but was hijacked by the mullahs. Agree about Persepolis. It's a great film. Second sentence ruins this post though. There's no "Islam" to make an alliance with. There's two major sects and dozens of minor ones and both major sects have branches that are murderous reactionaries and branches that are radically peaceful, democratic, and tolerant. Guaranteed that 90% of the folks in the streets risking their lives to topple the mullahs consider themselves devout Muslims. He's not his dad mate. He isnt bringing back the monarchy He wants to help install a secular democracy. Edited January 9 by Pap
Watt-Zeefuik Posted January 9 Author Posted January 9 23 minutes ago, Pap said: He's not his dad mate. He isnt bringing back the monarchy He wants to help install a secular democracy. If he wants in, he can run in a democratic election, and good luck to him.
Pap Posted January 9 Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: If he wants in, he can run in a democratic election, and good luck to him. He doesnt want to. He's explicitly said so. He just wants to help with the transition. But yeh, good luck to him.
Taffin Posted January 9 Posted January 9 I'd really like to visit Iran so I hope they're successful from a selfish point of view and more importantly I hope they are successful for them and their future generations.
Dapper Posted January 9 Posted January 9 4 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: If he wants in, he can run in a democratic election, and good luck to him. He also hasn't lived in the country for like 40 years. I think the support for him within Iran is also grossly exaggerated. You mostly see it amongst Iranian-Americans (and it's obvious why they would support it) or occasional at one of the Iran protests, but I've yet to see anything widespread. There also isn't a real opposition within Iran so my view is that he's often seen as more of an "anti regime" Icon rather than someone that people seriously want in power. Like I said before, I suspect that when the regime falls (which I think is inevitable at this point), we'll probably see someone emerge from within the country
Dapper Posted January 9 Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Taffin said: I'd really like to visit Iran so I hope they're successful from a selfish point of view and more importantly I hope they are successful for them and their future generations. You can still visit. I went with a tour group back in 2017. It isn't easy necessarily, but it is possible. You need to get a "sponsor", ie, book with a tour group and have them write you a "letter of invitation" then write out your itinerary and submit it to the government. Then they'll either approve or deny your visa. It's a truly beautiful country that everyone should visit. Especially Isfahan.
Dapper Posted January 9 Posted January 9 8 minutes ago, Pap said: He doesnt want to. He's explicitly said so. He just wants to help with the transition. But yeh, good luck to him. How can he "help with the transition" though? He hasn't lived in the country for decades, doesn't have experience ruling a country or in politics generally, doesn't have military experience, isn't an economist, isn't a scientist, etc etc. He's just an opportunist groveling to be put into power. I think if there's one thing that the recent events in Venezuela show, it's that Trump is put-off by grovelers, so I wouldn't expect that, if the USA decides to intervene, they seriously consider him. I guess the flip side of that is, what other options are there? I think, despite what many people believe, Iran has many political factions that give consent to Khomeini (who has final say). I think we might see someone from one of those factions break with the supreme leader and make a play here soon.
Pap Posted January 9 Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Dapper said: How can he "help with the transition" though? He hasn't lived in the country for decades, doesn't have experience ruling a country or in politics generally, doesn't have military experience, isn't an economist, isn't a scientist, etc etc. He's just an opportunist groveling to be put into power. I think if there's one thing that the recent events in Venezuela show, it's that Trump is put-off by grovelers, so I wouldn't expect that, if the USA decides to intervene, they seriously consider him. I guess the flip side of that is, what other options are there? I think, despite what many people believe, Iran has many political factions that give consent to Khomeini (who has final say). I think we might see someone from one of those factions break with the supreme leader and make a play here soon. Have you watched any of his numerous interviews recently. Its all there. Btw, have you ever been to North Korea?
EH11_2NL Posted January 9 Posted January 9 7 hours ago, Pap said: The old Shah's son looks to be the one. Certainly to help with the transition. Comes across as a decent guy, thankfully. Theres interviews with him on Youtube about it all. Without being cynical, anyone wanting power can promise the earth. Once the have their hands on the reins, it always seems to go to poo. History shows us that.
Australis Posted January 9 Posted January 9 None of the main stream media mentioning it. Same with the murders in Nigeria. And from non stop coverage of Gaza, that no longer gets mentioned now.
Dapper Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Just now, Pap said: Have you watched any of his numerous interviews recently. Its all there. Btw, have you ever been to North Korea? No. I personally find him to be kind of repulsive. Like I said, he's a groveler. Also, no. NK is one of the countries that scares me to visit haha. Iran though really is nice and should be a must-visit for people that like to travel
Dapper Posted January 9 Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Australis said: None of the main stream media mentioning it. Same with the murders in Nigeria. And from non stop coverage of Gaza, that no longer gets mentioned now. Why do people keep saying this? It's literally being covered nonstop on like every major media outlet...
Pap Posted January 9 Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, Dapper said: No. I personally find him to be kind of repulsive. Like I said, he's a groveler. Also, no. NK is one of the countries that scares me to visit haha. Iran though really is nice and should be a must-visit for people that like to travel Thats fine. You have your opinion. But having him just to help out and whatever comes next is infinetely better than whats going to have been.
Dapper Posted January 9 Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Pap said: Thats fine. You have your opinion. But having him just to help out and whatever comes next is infinetely better than whats going to have been. Yeah I mean, I'm not arguing in favour of the regime here, I'm just saying that Reza seems to me to be little more than an opportunist and that I don't personally expect him to end up in charge of the country.
Watt-Zeefuik Posted January 9 Author Posted January 9 11 minutes ago, Australis said: None of the main stream media mentioning it. Same with the murders in Nigeria. And from non stop coverage of Gaza, that no longer gets mentioned now. I'm seeing coverage of Iran on every major site that I look at. What are you looking at?
Victorian Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Don't you dare shoot the hell out of your own citizens or else. Well, we'll stop if you do then.
Pap Posted January 9 Posted January 9 8 minutes ago, Dapper said: Yeah I mean, I'm not arguing in favour of the regime here, I'm just saying that Reza seems to me to be little more than an opportunist and that I don't personally expect him to end up in charge of the country. As mentioned in my previous post, he's explicitly stated he doesnt want to run the country.
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