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[JudyJudyJudy]

12 minutes ago, Ked said:

Thank **** I only said soft hands and left the shite rides out.

😂

 

🤣🤣👍

[Martin B]

51 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

TBF if you were basing "leftie" on some of the more vocal on here you'd be fair to assume a lack of calluses given how thin-skinned they are and the seeming need for everyone to share the same view as them. It's maybe more the lack of a calloused mind though rather than the hands given it seems to come from a position of fragile dogmatic belief that must be held universally.

 

Fortunately there are a lot of good posters too who make reasoned and we'll set out points and can disagree with you whilst still respecting that ultimately people's political persuasion is their choice and belief.

 

There are also 2 or 3 absolutely fantastic left wing posters who constantly pull me back a bit from my new found 'watch the world burn' position. Most just push me more towards it.

 

 

Yeah good point. Important not to use the vocal minority at any point on the political spectrum as a barometer for what most people think. 
 

Bizarre to correlate the roughness of someone’s hands and by extraction their profession or ‘class’ with their political stance. 
 

 

32 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

The working class to the left are the salt of the earth. The rest are thick racists. 

As in the working class in the centre and to the right of the political spectrum are thick racists?

[Konrad von Carstein]

23 minutes ago, Star Lizard said:

Doesn’t appear that way tbh. Although as I said I spend far less time in here these days. From that perspective it looks like the same maybe ten or so posters posting exactly the same thing on every topic every day, calling each other by nicknames and posting gifs back and forth. I think it puts a lot of posters off, as it seems like a bit of a members club. As I say though, I don’t look in enough to know if that is really accurate or not. The rightwing stuff is definitely pretty prominent though, which is sad but I suppose just a reflection on wider society now.

There's certainly a few "members" 👀 posting in support of each others "right wing" posturing...

[JudyJudyJudy]

It’s very noticeable the slurs and insults are only coming from one direction . Says a lot. 
 

Anyway I’m watching one of my nephews play footie now so away from this toxicity . 

[Mikey1874]

Just teething problems.

 

 

[hughesie27]

Anyone got any positive arguments for backing Reform this week?

[JudyJudyJudy]

Anyway here’s a quick laugh . When I arrived at the footie I asked my his mum  if her son was on the pitch  “ aye he’s left wing “” 

 

I kid you not !! 🤣🤣🤣

[Konrad von Carstein]

16 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

It’s very noticeable the slurs and insults are only coming from one direction . Says a lot. 
 

Anyway I’m watching one of my nephews play footie now so away from this toxicity . 

Never liked them, and this just confirms my dislike! 

 

 

[Star Lizard]

9 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

Anyone got any positive arguments for backing Reform this week?

I mean they only have one MSP and no MPs in Scotland anyway, and the region they have managed to grab a seat in includes parts of the country like Airdrie where there has historically been a bit of sympathy for far right racist ****wits down the years.

[Martin B]

1 hour ago, Star Lizard said:

Doesn’t appear that way tbh. Although as I said I spend far less time in here these days. From that perspective it looks like the same maybe ten or so posters posting exactly the same thing on every topic every day, calling each other by nicknames and posting gifs back and forth. I think it puts a lot of posters off, as it seems like a bit of a members club. As I say though, I don’t look in enough to know if that is really accurate or not. The rightwing stuff is definitely pretty prominent though, which is sad but I suppose just a reflection on wider society now.

I think part of the issue is the conflating of terminology. There’s a big difference between the left, far left and extreme left and there’s a big difference between the right, far right and extreme right. It’s the extremism at either end of the scale which is the big problem and I think the vast majority of people deep down detest both extremes.

 

When I was doing Higher Modern Studies nearly 30 years ago people’s place on the political spectrum was mostly defined by their views on things like taxation, welfare state, unionisation, crime and punishment etc. Now it seems to encompasse so many more issues.

[Martin B]

Some definitions which may aid discussion and be a bit clearer than terms like “lefties”:

 

Right: “favour individual liberty, limited government, and traditional values. Also lower taxes, less business regulation, and a greater role for the private sector.”

 

Moderate to Radical Right: “nativist, authoritarian, and often populist but still operating within the democratic framework. Skeptical of or hostile to liberal democracy, while typically opposing things like mass immigration, liberal values, and minority protections. They distinguish themselves from extremist groups that reject democracy.”

 

Extreme/Far Right: “fundamentally anti-democratic and typically marked by ultranationalism, racism, xenophobia, and a belief in inherent social hierarchies. Distinguishable from the Radical Right by its rejection of the existing democratic system and, in some cases, its justification of violence to achieve its political aims.”

 

Left: “prioritise social equality, government intervention in the economy, and social change. Often advocate for policies like progressive taxation, social welfare programs, and regulations to ensure a fairer society, though the specific beliefs can vary widely.”

 

Moderate to Radical Left: “a belief in social justice, economic equality, and a mixed economy, but with a more pragmatic and less dogmatic approach than the far-left. Instead of radical upheaval, they typically advocate for gradual, incremental reforms to achieve social and economic progress.”

 

Extreme/Far Left: “a set of ideologies, including 

Marxism, socialism, and anarchism, that seek to radically change or abolish the current social and political order, often through a revolution. An anti-capitalist stance, belief that the state and existing systems are rooted in oppression, and a goal of creating a classless society that prioritises radical equality, sometimes through protest and/or violence.”

[hughesie27]

5 minutes ago, Martin B said:

Some definitions which may aid discussion and be a bit clearer than terms like “lefties”:

 

Right: “favour individual liberty, limited government, and traditional values. Also lower taxes, less business regulation, and a greater role for the private sector.”

 

Moderate to Radical Right: “nativist, authoritarian, and often populist but still operating within the democratic framework. Skeptical of or hostile to liberal democracy, while typically opposing things like mass immigration, liberal values, and minority protections. They distinguish themselves from extremist groups that reject democracy.”

 

Extreme/Far Right: “fundamentally anti-democratic and typically marked by ultranationalism, racism, xenophobia, and a belief in inherent social hierarchies. Distinguishable from the Radical Right by its rejection of the existing democratic system and, in some cases, its justification of violence to achieve its political aims.”

 

Left: “prioritise social equality, government intervention in the economy, and social change. Often advocate for policies like progressive taxation, social welfare programs, and regulations to ensure a fairer society, though the specific beliefs can vary widely.”

 

Moderate to Radical Left: “a belief in social justice, economic equality, and a mixed economy, but with a more pragmatic and less dogmatic approach than the far-left. Instead of radical upheaval, they typically advocate for gradual, incremental reforms to achieve social and economic progress.”

 

Extreme/Far Left: “a set of ideologies, including 

Marxism, socialism, and anarchism, that seek to radically change or abolish the current social and political order, often through a revolution. An anti-capitalist stance, belief that the state and existing systems are rooted in oppression, and a goal of creating a classless society that prioritises radical equality, sometimes through protest and/or violence.”

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[Martin B]

7 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

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[Dennis Denuto]

I always find it amusing that the right get so upset about being called right wing, or far right or even fascist, it is like they are embarrassed by them. I am happy being labeled with any of the terms for left wing to far left, there are many views I have which may be considered extreme left, I am not embarrassed to admit them nor the labels attached to those views.

[hughesie27]

1 minute ago, Dennis Denuto said:

I always find it amusing that the right get so upset about being called right wing, or far right or even fascist, it is like they are embarrassed by them. I am happy being labeled with any of the terms for left wing to far left, there are many views I have which may be considered extreme left, I am not embarrassed to admit them nor the labels attached to those views.

There's some who, after doing the Where do you stand politically quiz, came back as Moderate Left Wing/Centrist but like to pretend that they are Far Right.

[Star Lizard]

19 minutes ago, Dennis Denuto said:

I always find it amusing that the right get so upset about being called right wing, or far right or even fascist, it is like they are embarrassed by them. I am happy being labeled with any of the terms for left wing to far left, there are many views I have which may be considered extreme left, I am not embarrassed to admit them nor the labels attached to those views.

It’s really weird. Noticed this as well. It’s quite common with those who hold extremist views of any sort. You see it with racism quite often. If someone holds extreme views of that sort of nature, then do they know deep down inside that it is wrong, and they can’t bring themselves to admit it? Same with other extreme views too. If someone holds views as extreme as those, then why not just own it? I own my left views, and I accept the labels that go with them. I have no issue with people knowing I have compassion for others and want to see a fairer society which cares for those less fortunate or underprivileged. Some people are dead set against those things, so why not just own the labels.

[Ron Burgundy]

51 minutes ago, Dennis Denuto said:

I always find it amusing that the right get so upset about being called right wing, or far right or even fascist, it is like they are embarrassed by them. I am happy being labeled with any of the terms for left wing to far left, there are many views I have which may be considered extreme left, I am not embarrassed to admit them nor the labels attached to those views.

It’s just stupid name calling. Being to the right doesn’t make you a facist or a Nazi and being to the left doesn’t make you a paedo sympathiser or rape enabler. 
 

Both as daft as each other. 

[Dennis Denuto]

4 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

It’s just stupid name calling. Being to the right doesn’t make you a facist or a Nazi and being to the left doesn’t make you a paedo sympathiser or rape enabler. 
 

Both as daft as each other. 

That’s your comparison? Racism and Fascism would be political views on the far right, paedo sympathiser and rose enabler are not left wing views in any way, they are not part of the political spectrum. Can’t you see the difference?

[JudyJudyJudy]

11 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

It’s just stupid name calling. Being to the right doesn’t make you a facist or a Nazi and being to the left doesn’t make you a paedo sympathiser or rape enabler. 
 

Both as daft as each other. 

This thread !!! 

[Ron Burgundy]

6 minutes ago, Dennis Denuto said:

That’s your comparison? Racism and Fascism would be political views on the far right, paedo sympathiser and rose enabler are not left wing views in any way, they are not part of the political spectrum. Can’t you see the difference?

It was the left that tried to cover up grooming gangs raping children on an industrial scale. 

[Geddyalexneil]

As a card carrying "libtard snowflake" and a card carrying member of the "woke mob" I am not a fan of Farage and his ilk.

Now the reason I quoted those expressions is because I have been called them plenty of times online. It doesn't bother me. I get these supposed insults normally when I point out something that is racist (quite often memes that are actually not true) or homophobic or indeed anything which are tropes against smaller or oppressed communities. 

I had quite a lot of American friends (USA wise) who I met on trips to their country who seemed really nice folks. Then Trump got in first time and those same people started posting pretty horrible stuff about others so I called it out. After all their local friends hurled insults (water of a ducks back here) they all unfriended me. Not one of them could debate as to the rights and wrongs of their posts (yet I was the "snowflake"). 

My views haven't changed much in the last 20 to 30 years, yet apparently I am now "extreme left wing" (or to folks in the US a "commie socialist" which is hilarious). The world has definitely moved right politically. 

I looked up what the BNP and National Front used to say on their leaflets and quite a lot of it now seems "normal", just "right wing" as opposed to "far" right wing. The world has changed and in my view not for the better.

When it comes to Reform I have been watching with interest how they are performing (or not as the case may be) in the areas they now represent at locally level. The amount of folks who have been outed or resigned due to behaviours (racism, threatening behaviour etc) for such a mall party is quite remarkable. Now all parties have bad ones, but the percentage is higher than average. If this is how bad they are on local level one can only imagine how awful they would be at national.    

[Martin B]

45 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

It’s just stupid name calling. Being to the right doesn’t make you a facist or a Nazi and being to the left doesn’t make you a paedo sympathiser or rape enabler. 
 

Both as daft as each other. 

Depends how far to the right you are if you’re a fascist.

 

No matter how far left you are I can’t imagine someone being a paedo sympathiser or rape enabler. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Martin B]

33 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

It was the left that tried to cover up grooming gangs raping children on an industrial scale. 

Any evidence to back that up? Particularly that the political leanings of those who made the decisions was a factor in their decision?
 

[The Mighty Thor]

7 minutes ago, Martin B said:

Any evidence to back that up? Particularly that the political leanings of those who made the decisions was a factor in their decision?
 

Its a hell of a statement!

 

I look forward to that being evidenced. 

[Geddyalexneil]

14 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Its a hell of a statement!

 

I look forward to that being evidenced. 

Not sure why you are saying that is a "hell of a statement".

@Martin B was asking for evidence as to the comment that it was left leaning people who tried to cover up the child sex rings.  He hasn't made any allegation towards anyone else.

[The Mighty Thor]

4 minutes ago, Geddyalexneil said:

Not sure why you are saying that is a "hell of a statement".

@Martin B was asking for evidence as to the comment that it was left leaning people who tried to cover up the child sex rings.  He hasn't made any allegation towards anyone else.

Im agreeing with him.

 

Its an incredible statement from RB. 

 

Like martinB id love to see the evidence 

[Geddyalexneil]

1 minute ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Im agreeing with him.

 

Its an incredible statement from RB. 

 

Like martinB id love to see the evidence 

Ah sorry. Completely misunderstood.

Like many things your comment went over my head (at my height that is normal 😂)

[Taffin]

People hold a view I don't agree with/understand = contrarian weirdo trolling 😂😂😂

 

Idealistically I'm pretty left wing from a political perspective but as a general group identify of self righteous backslappers it doesn't half make it an unappealing group to identify with. Reform should just run on the benefit of creating seethe within that group...they'd romp it.

[The Hogfather]

4 minutes ago, Taffin said:

People hold a view I don't agree with/understand = contrarian weirdo trolling 😂😂😂

 

Idealistically I'm pretty left wing from a political perspective but as a general group identify of self righteous backslappers it doesn't half make it an unappealing group to identify with. Reform should just run on the benefit of creating seethe within that group...they'd romp it.

 

Bold of you to assume I was talking about you.

[Ron Burgundy]

23 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Im agreeing with him.

 

Its an incredible statement from RB. 

 

Like martinB id love to see the evidence 

What I find incredible was Starmer stating that those calling for a national inquiry into the industrial rape of children were jumping on a right wing bandwagon. 
Cue a backlash and a U turn. 

[Taffin]

8 minutes ago, The Hogfather said:

 

Bold of you to assume I was talking about you.

 

I didn't.

[The Hogfather]

3 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

I didn't.

 

Then I'm not sure what your issue is. Being a contrarian weirdo isn't based on your political beliefs, it's based on your conduct and there are plenty of examples of certain posters taking certain stances in certain threads that offer nothing to the discourse beyond trolling. 

 

So if you think it's purely based on other posters holding different views from me, then you're wildly off the mark.

[Dawnrazor]

 

36 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Im agreeing with him.

 

Its an incredible statement from RB. 

 

Like martinB id love to see the evidence 

 

34 minutes ago, Geddyalexneil said:

Ah sorry. Completely misunderstood.

Like many things your comment went over my head (at my height that is normal 😂)

If you look up where the incidents of grooming gangs, in England, most, if not all, were in Labour Council areas, the people involved in the cover ups, I don't think the voting history of the police involved were recorded, were in Labour run councils.

[Taffin]

13 minutes ago, The Hogfather said:

 

Then I'm not sure what your issue is. Being a contrarian weirdo isn't based on your political beliefs, it's based on your conduct and there are plenty of examples of certain posters taking certain stances in certain threads that offer nothing to the discourse beyond trolling. 

 

So if you think it's purely based on other posters holding different views from me, then you're wildly off the mark.

 

It's based on conduct? Of posting on a message board 😂

 

That's precisely the type of thing I mean: 

 

- you've decided someone's conduct doesn't meet your arbitrary definition 

- they are therefore a contrarian trolling weirdo

- rather than ignore it, you name call like a child

- If it's trolling report it and the mods will decide if it's against the actual conduct requirements 

 

I don't think it's necessarily because it's a politically different view, I think it's simply because it's a different view you don't like it.

 

 

Edited November 30, 2025 by Taffin

[The Mighty Thor]

16 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

What I find incredible was Starmer stating that those calling for a national inquiry into the industrial rape of children were jumping on a right wing bandwagon. 
Cue a backlash and a U turn. 

 

They were. Championed by that all round great guy Elon Musk

 

2 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

 

 

If you look up where the incidents of grooming gangs, in England, most, if not all, were in Labour Council areas, the people involved in the cover ups, I don't think the voting history of the police involved were recorded, were in Labour run councils.

 

From what I've read over the years it was councils of all denominations. 

If it was Labour Councils only I'm quite sure the Tory government would have been all over it long before Sunak grasped the issue. 

[Dawnrazor]

2 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

It's based on conduct? Of posting on a message board 😂

 

That's precisely the type of thing I mean: 

 

- you've decided someone's conduct doesn't meet your arbitrary definition 

- they are therefore a contrarian trolling weirdo

- rather than ignore it, you name call like a child

- If it's trolling report it and the mods will decide if it's against the actual conduct requirements 

 

I don't think it's necessarily because it's a politically different view, I think it's simply because it's a different view you don't like it.

 

 

In a nutshell.

[Dawnrazor]

Just now, The Mighty Thor said:

 

They were. Championed by that all round great guy Elon Musk

 

 

From what I've read over the years it was councils of all denominations. 

If it was Labour Councils only I'm quite sure the Tory government would have been all over it long before Sunak grasped the issue. 

The point was the political leaning of the people who were involved in the cover ups, they were overwhelmingly Labour, usually a left leaning party with similar support.

Look at the abuse Sarah Champion got from with her own Labour Party, I can't remember her getting the same abuse from other parties.

[The Hogfather]

4 minutes ago, Taffin said:

I don't think it's necessarily because it's a politically different view, I think it's simply because it's a different view you don't like it.

 

If this was the case, I'd have levelled the same accusation at you for claiming Reform would be good for the country. 

 

I don't care if someone has a differing view from me, you getting so bent out of shape because I'm calling out trolling from certain posters is a really weird hill to die on. 

 

[Taffin]

3 minutes ago, The Hogfather said:

 

If this was the case, I'd have levelled the same accusation at you for claiming Reform would be good for the country. 

 

I don't care if someone has a differing view from me, you getting so bent out of shape because I'm calling out trolling from certain posters is a really weird hill to die on. 

 

 

Differing view = really weird, bent out of shape

 

It's like it's a compulsion.

 

Either that or you've an issue with a couple of posters and rather than report their rule breaking you're making sweeping statements and questioning the mods for not modding to your criteria.

[JudyJudyJudy]

15 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

It's based on conduct? Of posting on a message board 😂

 

That's precisely the type of thing I mean: 

 

- you've decided someone's conduct doesn't meet your arbitrary definition 

- they are therefore a contrarian trolling weirdo

- rather than ignore it, you name call like a child

- If it's trolling report it and the mods will decide if it's against the actual conduct requirements 

 

I don't think it's necessarily because it's a politically different view, I think it's simply because it's a different view you don't like it.

 

 

Good posting . 👍

[The Mighty Thor]

5 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

The point was the political leaning of the people who were involved in the cover ups, they were overwhelmingly Labour, usually a left leaning party with similar support.

Look at the abuse Sarah Champion got from with her own Labour Party, I can't remember her getting the same abuse from other parties.

 

So some of them were Labour people and conversely some weren't and there's a lot of those that didn't take action we have no idea of the political leanings of?

 

So to make a statement that 'it was the left what covered it all up' is plainly not true and is something that would be impossible to prove? 

 

Maybe the latest review can dig into this element of the scandal first so that flag shaggers can puff their wee chests out and say Elon was right?

 

I'm sure that will be of great comfort to the victims. 

[The Hogfather]

1 minute ago, Taffin said:

 

Differing view = really weird, bent out of shape

 

It's like it's a compulsion.

 

Either that or you've an issue with a couple of posters and rather than report their rule breaking you're making sweeping statements and questioning the mods for not modding to your criteria.

 

Your view on my post = Really weird.

 

Not solely because it differs from mine, but because of what the view actually is itself. I wonder why you're so keen to be the victim of some demonisation when I wasn't talking about you in the slightest. Either way, I stand by my original post. There are posters in here that only post contrarian views because they want/like the attention. 

 

Whether you want to think it's because I'm afraid of different opinions, then that's your outlook. It's wrong, but bash on.

[That thing you do]

On 21/11/2025 at 12:53, Gundermann said:

 

That's scurrilous.

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/21/cryptocurrency-farage-donor-used-for-russian-war-effort?CMP=share_btn_url

USDT will have whatever uses holders give it. He isnt involved in the team though he may know holders. Its the most common stablecoin to hold alongside USDC. Same could be said of any currency. GBP used to back war effort could be valid as Farage holds it. Not a crypto issue

 

[Dawnrazor]

13 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

 

So some of them were Labour people and conversely some weren't and there's a lot of those that didn't take action we have no idea of the political leanings of?

 

So to make a statement that 'it was the left what covered it all up' is plainly not true and is something that would be impossible to prove? 

 

Maybe the latest review can dig into this element of the scandal first so that flag shaggers can puff their wee chests out and say Elon was right?

 

I'm sure that will be of great comfort to the victims. 

The vast majority, the largest proportion, overwhelmingly the councils and people involved were Labour, so it's acceptable, imo, to say, and I never said it, that most were "of the left" they would be, as that's who the Labour party are for, it's who support them in the majority.

 

Your third paragraph is just childish name calling and really not worth a reply.

 

I'm sure the victims will take comfort, if not great, in the people who turned a blind eye, ignored and covered up the rape of themselves or their children over a period of decades, are now being held to account.

 

Edited November 30, 2025 by Dawnrazor

[The Mighty Thor]

2 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

The vast majority, the largest proportion, overwhelmingly the councils and people involved were Labour, so it's acceptable, imo, to say, and I never said it, that most were "of the left" they would be, as that's who the Labour party are for, it's who support them in the majority.

 

Your third paragraph is just childish name calling and really not worth a reply.

 

I'm sure the victims will take comfort, if not great, in the people who turned a blind eye, ignored and covered up the rape of themselves or their children over a period of decades, are now being held to account.

 

See when a council is run by one party then another comes in to take over it doesn't mean the council employees go from being Tory to Labour to Reform or whoever.

A lot of the failure lay with permanent employees of these councils who quite possibly don't share the political leanings of the councillors running the authority. 

Same for the police, same for the judiciary.

Its a failure. A really terrible failure. 

 

Hanging a political flag on it is the thinnest of gruel. 

[Dawnrazor]

3 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

See when a council is run by one party then another comes in to take over it doesn't mean the council employees go from being Tory to Labour to Reform or whoever.

A lot of the failure lay with permanent employees of these councils who quite possibly don't share the political leanings of the councillors running the authority. 

Same for the police, same for the judiciary.

Its a failure. A really terrible failure. 

 

Hanging a political flag on it is the thinnest of gruel. 

The irony😂

 

The abuse and cover ups went on for decades, in the overwhelmingly amount of cases they were in Labour Council areas.

 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

4 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

The irony😂

 

The abuse and cover ups went on for decades, in the overwhelmingly amount of cases they were in Labour Council areas.

 

 

We're going round in circles here so I'll respectfully leave you and Ron to it. 

 

However I'd suggest taking it to the Labour thread as this one is all about the wonderful world of reform Ltd. 

[Dawnrazor]

5 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

We're going round in circles here so I'll respectfully leave you and Ron to it. 

 

However I'd suggest taking it to the Labour thread as this one is all about the wonderful world of reform Ltd. 

We're not going around in circles, you're desperately trying to deny that, despite the overwhelming evidence over a period of decades, that the child grooming gangs were ignored by and allowed to carry on in labour led areas, Sarah Champion was treated in a ridiculously abusive way by members of the labour party for highlighting the gangs.

It's been a Labour Party problem,in the main.

Edited November 30, 2025 by Dawnrazor

[The Mighty Thor]

13 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

We're not going around in circles, you're desperately trying to deny that, despite the overwhelming evidence over a period of decades, that the child grooming gangs were ignored by and allowed to carry on in labour led areas, Sarah Champion was treated in a ridiculously abusive way by members of the labour party for highlighting the gangs.

It's been a Labour Party problem,in the main.

Sound pal. 

 

Take it to the Labour thread and fill your boots 👍

[Dawnrazor]

Just now, The Mighty Thor said:

Sound pal. 

 

Take it to the Labour thread and fill your boots 👍

About what I expected from you Thor, a bit less of your usual whataboutary, but at least you know when you can't argue any more 👍