The wonderful world of Reform Ltd

[Dennis Denuto]

33 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Some might. I'll be doing it because the Tories thought they could get away with literally anything they wanted and now Labour do too. If there's no alternative there's no way to hold them to account.

 

That's why I didn't vote last time but it's futile as a load of trumpets voted Labour in.

 

Being out of power means they'll very much need to get their acts together. I appreciate they may just lie again in their manifesto the time after and hoodwink simpletons again...but what else is there?

I do not vote labour, but I think you are being a very harsh judge on them right now. There has been a few unfortunate scandals, bloody politicians can't keep their hands out the till, but i would say Reform are worse on that score. Policy wise they are much worse than Labour, they would be a disaster for this country, just look around the World at the countries who have given power to these same types.

Labour are slowly starting to get things together I think, it is a big compliment from me to say I am not hating them.  I wish they would be bolder and more left leaning, but I have never had a government like that.

[lou]

44 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

I’ve decided after long and careful consideration and research I actually will prob just vote for the Tories like I did last year .
 

Their policies are more aligned with my views and theyr less “ extreme “ than other parties policy . Reform are right to highlight the immigration issue and gender nonsense 💩 but policies re curtailing freedom of speech , dismantling the NHS ( although it does need reformed ) pardon the pun , and rewarding billionaires aren’t really a priority for me . 
 

I’ll take the pelters heading my way …….

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Mind you may 2026 is a long way off 

 

 

😂

Good to hear, well it's still a tory vote 🤣 

[Gundermann]

2 minutes ago, Dennis Denuto said:

I do not vote labour, but I think you are being a very harsh judge on them right now. There has been a few unfortunate scandals, bloody politicians can't keep their hands out the till, but i would say Reform are worse on that score. Policy wise they are much worse than Labour, they would be a disaster for this country, just look around the World at the countries who have given power to these same types.

Labour are slowly starting to get things together I think, it is a big compliment from me to say I am not hating them.  I wish they would be bolder and more left leaning, but I have never had a government like that.

 

Anyone thinking that Reform are going to be honest and competent needs their head examined. A wee look, not only at Nigel Five Houses, but at their current performances shows that. Sure, they could give Tory and Labour a bloody nose but at what cost? I like being able to feed my kids and go on holiday. Utility bills are a scandal already.

 

This guy is only the tip of the iceberg of Reform chaos in England's councils.

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, lou said:

Good to hear, well it's still a tory vote 🤣 

I’ll do what I honestly did last year I’ll look at each parties manifesto and see if a lot of it aligned with my views ( it doesn’t have to be all of it , as thats practically impossible ) and the Tories manifesto did . 

[Nookie Bear]

Here's the punchline: Reform don't give a toss what anyone thinks of their ability, financial acumen, whether anyone thinks they are tied to Russia... or anything else tbh

 

 

 

 

[Dennis Denuto]

8 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

 

Anyone thinking that Reform are going to be honest and competent needs their head examined. A wee look, not only at Nigel Five Houses, but at their current performances shows that. Sure, they could give Tory and Labour a bloody nose but at what cost? I like being able to feed my kids and go on holiday. Utility bills are a scandal already.

 

This guy is only the tip of the iceberg of Reform chaos in England's councils.

 

 

You just need to look at the Councils in England that Reform run, they have had to dial back on so many election policies already, they have been unable to make the savings promised so instead of lowering Council Tax it is going to go up.  They have wasted time and effort on vanity policy projects like removing flags and renaming departments.  As well as dealing with a few scandals and petty squabbles along the way.

 

I would love someone to tell me what it is about them and the performance in local government that make them some kind of alternative that are different to the 'norm'.

[hughesie27]

18 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

 Ill be voting reform next year 100%

 

1 hour ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

I’ve decided after long and careful consideration and research I actually will prob just vote for the Tories like I did last year .

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Quite the 17 hours you've had there Judy!

[Victorian]

2 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

Here's the punchline: Reform don't give a toss what anyone thinks of their ability, financial acumen, whether anyone thinks they are tied to Russia... or anything else tbh

 

 

 

 

 

That's why the one main thing they do care about as to what people think about them is their achilles heel.   They have one dominating area of policy,  if you can call it policy,  and are laid bare as a complete paper tiger if their dominating appeal can be challenged for or competed with in an effective way.   Bearing in mind the pragmatism of accepting that a fairly broad spectrum of people clearly want immigration matters improved.

 

In other words,  if someone else can offer something akin to what Reform say they'll do on immigration,  people begin to realise there's no purpose to Reform.

[XB52]

20 minutes ago, lou said:

Good to hear, well it's still a tory vote 🤣 

From 100% reform voter to tory voter in 17 hours. A new record for mister u-turn 😀😀

[Victorian]

Reform's local authority creative accountancy claims and their phobia of any scrutiny.   A list of invented savings of spending that was never allocated and savings already introduced by predecessors.

 

Every opportunity given for them to evidence their claims.   Nothing offered.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/24/reform-uk-claim-savings-english-councils-fact-checked

 

[Taffin]

51 minutes ago, Dennis Denuto said:

I do not vote labour, but I think you are being a very harsh judge on them right now. There has been a few unfortunate scandals, bloody politicians can't keep their hands out the till, but i would say Reform are worse on that score. Policy wise they are much worse than Labour, they would be a disaster for this country, just look around the World at the countries who have given power to these same types.

Labour are slowly starting to get things together I think, it is a big compliment from me to say I am not hating them.  I wish they would be bolder and more left leaning, but I have never had a government like that.

 

I respect your view but I still feel it falls into bit of:

 

Labour - unfortunate 

Tories/Reform - grifters 

 

Politics in the UK is in an absolute sorry state and I think the big 2 need a very bloody nose for it to change. I think Conservative have had theirs, but they're not up off the canvas yet. Starmer and co are just ripping up their manifesto with each passing day imo. People lapped it up at the ballot box and they'll continue to do so I think unless there's a sliding doors moment.

 

I'm not for Reform in any way. I just think it's the only route for people to wake up. It's like Brexit for me. It's obviously stupid but most people didn't see it until it was too late...at least with a government you can turf them back out in four years.

 

I want a government and a PM that I actually respect and admire in my lifetime. The current trajectory will never deliver that in my view 

Edited November 24, 2025 by Taffin

[JudyJudyJudy]

7 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

I respect your view but I still feel it falls into bit of:

 

Labour - unfortunate 

Tories/Reform - grifters 

 

Politics in the UK is in an absolute sorry state and I think the big 2 need a very bloody nose for it to change. I think Conservative have had theirs, but they're not up off the canvas yet. Starmer and co are just ripping up their manifesto with each passing day imo. People lapped it up at the ballot box and they'll continue to do so I think unless there's a sliding doors moment.

 

I'm not for Reform in any way. I just think it's the only route for people to wake up. It's like Brexit for me. It's obviously stupid but most people didn't see it until it was too late...at least with a government you can turf them back out in four years.

 

I want a government and a PM that I actually respect and admire in my lifetime. The current trajectory will never deliver that in my view 

I do see a glimmer of hope with Labour but just a glimmer . The budget on Wednesday is going to be a hard one to take though . 

[Dennis Denuto]

13 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

I respect your view but I still feel it falls into bit of:

 

Labour - unfortunate 

Tories/Reform - grifters 

 

Politics in the UK is in an absolute sorry state and I think the big 2 need a very bloody nose for it to change. I think Conservative have had theirs, but they're not up off the canvas yet. Starmer and co are just ripping up their manifesto with each passing day imo. People lapped it up at the ballot box and they'll continue to do so I think unless there's a sliding doors moment.

 

I'm not for Reform in any way. I just think it's the only route for people to wake up. It's like Brexit for me. It's obviously stupid but most people didn't see it until it was too late...at least with a government you can turf them back out in four years.

 

I want a government and a PM that I actually respect and admire in my lifetime. The current trajectory will never deliver that in my view 

I get your frustration and agree about getting some respected leadership would be great, I suppose some have had that or they wouldn't have voted for them.

I think it is an issue from all over the World though, I mean how many leaders have a respect or wished were leading the UK/Scotland? Mandela, Obama, any others??

 

EDIT -  I just want to add that hopefully Labour have changed your view of them before the next GE.

 

Edited November 24, 2025 by Dennis Denuto

[Ray Gin]

28 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

I'm not for Reform in any way. I just think it's the only route for people to wake up. It's like Brexit for me. It's obviously stupid but most people didn't see it until it was too late...at least with a government you can turf them back out in four years.

 

 

A protest vote for Reform* "is like shitting your hotel bed as a protest against bad service, and then realising you now have to sleep in a shitted bed." - Stewart Lee

* originally said about UKIP, but same monster under a different name

[Dennis Denuto]

This is someone who Nigel Farage has met and they have praised each others views and policies - 

 

Australia senator condemned for burka stunt in parliament

 

This is a woman who Farage has praised and they met recently at Mar-a-Lago.

 

Still voting for them anyone??

[Taffin]

7 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

A protest vote for Reform* "is like shitting your hotel bed as a protest against bad service, and then realising you now have to sleep in a shitted bed." - Stewart Lee

* originally said about UKIP, but same monster under a different name

 

If they then wash the bedding, result. Sleeping perpetually in dirty bedding will do you more harm long term.

 

It's not really like that though as if you shit the bed you're out of bedding. In this scenario you'd still have the original bedding you could always change back into.

 

I guess it's akin to I'd rather sleep in bedding I'd shat in for a night than sleep in the same bedding unwashed for a year 

[Dennis Denuto]

14 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

If they then wash the bedding, result. Sleeping perpetually in dirty bedding will do you more harm long term.

 

It's not really like that though as if you shit the bed you're out of bedding. In this scenario you'd still have the original bedding you could always change back into.

 

I guess it's akin to I'd rather sleep in bedding I'd shat in for a night than sleep in the same bedding unwashed for a year 

But in the Reform scenario you will have shit bedding for one night as you say, but then it will be changed regularly for bedding that already has shit on it for a few days before they stop changing it and instead come into your room and just shit on the dirty bedding and never change it.

 

I mean surely we can just agree not to shit the bed?

[Tommy Brown]

2 hours ago, hughesie27 said:

 

Quite the 17 hours you've had there Judy!

That's an all too typical example of our electorate. Some (in fact, a lot) should have their votes removed.

[Ray Gin]

4 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said:

That's an all too typical example of our electorate. Some (in fact, a lot) should have their votes removed.

 

He at least changed his mind after doing some more reading on what they actually stand for, which is more than most Reform voters will do.

[Tommy Brown]

1 minute ago, Ray Gin said:

 

He at least changed his mind after doing some more reading on what they actually stand for, which is more than most Reform voters will do.

I'm laughing, but it's so sadly true.

[Mikey1874]

3 hours ago, Gundermann said:

 

Anyone thinking that Reform are going to be honest and competent needs their head examined. A wee look, not only at Nigel Five Houses, but at their current performances shows that. Sure, they could give Tory and Labour a bloody nose but at what cost? I like being able to feed my kids and go on holiday. Utility bills are a scandal already.

 

This guy is only the tip of the iceberg of Reform chaos in England's councils.

 

 

 

An example.

 

How Reform believe the white residents of UK should be able to act.

[JudyJudyJudy]

46 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

He at least changed his mind after doing some more reading on what they actually stand for, which is more than most Reform voters will do.

Cheers 👍

 

however someone  arguing to deprive people of their right to vote just because they object to whom they vote might rather , ironically be considered “ far  right “ .

 

The right to vote is a fundamental principle of any democracy . It’s not for to be tinkered with . 

Edited November 24, 2025 by JudyJudyJudy

[The Mighty Thor]

2 hours ago, Taffin said:

 

I respect your view but I still feel it falls into bit of:

 

Labour - unfortunate 

Tories/Reform - grifters 

 

Politics in the UK is in an absolute sorry state and I think the big 2 need a very bloody nose for it to change. I think Conservative have had theirs, but they're not up off the canvas yet. Starmer and co are just ripping up their manifesto with each passing day imo. People lapped it up at the ballot box and they'll continue to do so I think unless there's a sliding doors moment.

 

I'm not for Reform in any way. I just think it's the only route for people to wake up. It's like Brexit for me. It's obviously stupid but most people didn't see it until it was too late...at least with a government you can turf them back out in four years.

 

I want a government and a PM that I actually respect and admire in my lifetime. The current trajectory will never deliver that in my view 

 

It will never change in a FPTP system. 

 

We had the chance to change it or at least broach the change years ago when the coalition was on the go and we collectively shat it. 

 

Reform getting in will deliver a bloody nose for sure in the same way that punching yourself in the face repeatedly will deliver a bloody nose.

 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

3 hours ago, Victorian said:

Reform's local authority creative accountancy claims and their phobia of any scrutiny.   A list of invented savings of spending that was never allocated and savings already introduced by predecessors.

 

Every opportunity given for them to evidence their claims.   Nothing offered.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/24/reform-uk-claim-savings-english-councils-fact-checked

 

 

They don't like the spotlight on them. 

 

Any kind of scrutiny and they skitter off like cockroaches seeking cover. 

 

The brewing scandal of Kent CC, the one Farage wants you to use a yardstick of just how Reform Ltd will govern, will be absolutely glorious when it all breaks. 

 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/kent-council-report-46-5m-overspend-following-reform-takeover-400497/

 

They took over the council in May this year. 

[Victorian]

5 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

 

They don't like the spotlight on them. 

 

Any kind of scrutiny and they skitter off like cockroaches seeking cover. 

 

The brewing scandal of Kent CC, the one Farage wants you to use a yardstick of just how Reform Ltd will govern, will be absolutely glorious when it all breaks. 

 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/kent-council-report-46-5m-overspend-following-reform-takeover-400497/

 

They took over the council in May this year. 

 

Just wait until they (might) get their hooves on the national fiscal levers that determine the entire security of prosperity of the population.   

[Nookie Bear]

9 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

 

They don't like the spotlight on them. 

 

Any kind of scrutiny and they skitter off like cockroaches seeking cover. 

 

The brewing scandal of Kent CC, the one Farage wants you to use a yardstick of just how Reform Ltd will govern, will be absolutely glorious when it all breaks. 

 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/kent-council-report-46-5m-overspend-following-reform-takeover-400497/

 

They took over the council in May this year. 

 

Where has that overspend been spent?

[The Mighty Thor]

1 minute ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Where has that overspend been spent?

 

That appears to be the million dollar question.

 

This is after they set up a DOGE group and promised the dingles that voted them in council tax cuts. 

 

 

[Mikey1874]

2 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Where has that overspend been spent?

 

It's the usual pressures from adult social care, children's special needs and home to school transport.

 

Although the overspend has doubled since Reform took over, it's likely this was going to happen anyway.

[Victorian]

Kent council has a working budget of £1.5bn.   

 

😳

[Nookie Bear]

14 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Kent council has a working budget of £1.5bn.   

 

😳

 

Glasgow is over £2bn with exactly one million less residents...

[Victorian]

5 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Glasgow is over £2bn with exactly one million less residents...

 

Bloody hell.

[Nookie Bear]

Just now, Victorian said:

 

Bloody hell.

 

*based on a quick google search...

[The Hogfather]

6 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Glasgow is over £2bn with exactly one million less residents...

 

Which is £600m more than Edinburgh with 120,000 more residents.

[Konrad von Carstein]

[Victorian]

His squirming is brilliant.   So far his racist behaviour is not :

 

1.  Direct.

2.  With intent.

3.  Hurtful.

 

He even found time to insult a journalist by suggesting they were too thick to understand what "racism with intent" means.

 

He knows there's too much noise to deny as untrue.   The correct response is to own it and say he was young,  stupid and ill informed.   The wrong response is to try to explain,  justify,  mitigate.

 

[Ked]

What's the best party too vote for if you don't like rapey folk who want to turn society into a right wing religious mental ward?

 

Bit hypothetical I know but if pushed ?

 

[hughesie27]

22 minutes ago, Ked said:

What's the best party too vote for if you don't like rapey folk who want to turn society into a right wing religious mental ward?

 

Bit hypothetical I know but if pushed ?

 

Lib Dems seems like a much better option if Protest Vote is the only reason for voting Reform.

[The Mighty Thor]

7 hours ago, Victorian said:

His squirming is brilliant.   So far his racist behaviour is not :

 

1.  Direct.

2.  With intent.

3.  Hurtful.

 

He even found time to insult a journalist by suggesting they were too thick to understand what "racism with intent" means.

 

He knows there's too much noise to deny as untrue.   The correct response is to own it and say he was young,  stupid and ill informed.   The wrong response is to try to explain,  justify,  mitigate.

 

Its an interesting dance.

Everybody knows hes a racist POS, he knows hes a racist POS but still he doesn't have the balls to just come out and own his racism.

 

Its like watching the flag shaggers on here dancing on the head of a pin instead of just being big boys about it. 

[Nookie Bear]

19 hours ago, Gundermann said:

 

Anyone thinking that Reform are going to be honest and competent needs their head examined. A wee look, not only at Nigel Five Houses, but at their current performances shows that. Sure, they could give Tory and Labour a bloody nose but at what cost? I like being able to feed my kids and go on holiday. Utility bills are a scandal already.

 

This guy is only the tip of the iceberg of Reform chaos in England's councils.

 

 

You don’t have to do a deep dive to find similar nonsense from all parties. 
And we can throw in a few sexual deviances as well. 
 

‘Tis the Modern Way. 

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

They should ask Farage why he loves paedophiles so much.

[Nookie Bear]

9 hours ago, Ked said:

What's the best party too vote for if you don't like rapey folk who want to turn society into a right wing religious mental ward?

 

Bit hypothetical I know but if pushed ?

 

Probably the Greens but the. You have to consider all their mental ward politics. 

[Nookie Bear]

10 minutes ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said:

They should ask Farage why he loves paedophiles so much.

Absolutely. 
 

But can we ask all party leaders how they feel about cosplaying men sharing changing rooms with girls of all ages?

[Dennis Denuto]

10 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

Absolutely. 
 

But can we ask all party leaders how they feel about cosplaying men sharing changing rooms with girls of all ages?

That happens fairly regularly already. 

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

16 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

Absolutely. 
 

But can we ask all party leaders how they feel about cosplaying men sharing changing rooms with girls of all ages?

Absolutely, as long as we emphasise Farage's links to paedophiles and other sex offenders, including his nephew.

[Konrad von Carstein]

He's only racist in a specific and limited way...

 

Read an article on this with input from former school colleagues, he was at this when he was 18 so his crap about "just entering my teens" is just that!

[Dennis Denuto]

1 minute ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

He's only racist in a specific and limited way...

 

Read an article on this with input from former school colleagues, he was at this when he was 18 so his crap about "just entering my teens" is just that!

I have a feeling the take down of Farage has begun. ‘They’ have decided this is as big as he is going to get as it’s too much of a risk to the country to have him and his party run it. 
 

I expect more stories like this to keep

coming at him until his party loses much of its support. (Like they did with Corbyn)

[JudyJudyJudy]

9 hours ago, Ked said:

What's the best party too vote for if you don't like rapey folk who want to turn society into a right wing religious mental ward?

 

Bit hypothetical I know but if pushed ?

 

Conservative Party . They might make some kind of resurgence once the shine comes off Reform ( apparently Reform will lose momentum  judging by comments on this) . Who knows ? Wasting your time with any other party re the issue you are mentioning . 

[Dennis Denuto]

9 hours ago, Ked said:

What's the best party too vote for if you don't like rapey folk who want to turn society into a right wing religious mental ward?

 

Bit hypothetical I know but if pushed ?

 

That all depends what they options are where you live and what election you are voting in - the answer is never Reform though....

[Gundermann]

1 hour ago, Nookie Bear said:

You don’t have to do a deep dive to find similar nonsense from all parties. 
And we can throw in a few sexual deviances as well. 
 

‘Tis the Modern Way. 

 

Point being, Reform are saying they're different.

 

Given the amount of power they actually hold, at this point, I'd say the level of corruption and sleaze is disproportionate.

 

So, really, just more of what we get with Tory and Labour but with even more racism and incompetence?

[Serge Pizzorno]

Anyone voting for Reform is blinded by hatred. Utter charlatans who will sink us.