The refereeing in the League Cup this weekend

[RustyRightPeg]

A list of the errors I spotted this weekend: 

 

- Ball moving from the free kick which ended up in the St Mirren first goal

- Richard King escaping a second booking for a cynical foul and delaying the restart of the game in the same incident 

- Ralston escaping a second yellow today for persistent fouling and the handball for the penalty

- Aasgard’s red card

- Maeda leathering Diomande in the ribs (higher than Aasgard’s) and escaping a red

- Trusty kicking Butland in the head and only getting booked. It was reviewed and deemed to only be a yellow by VAR

 

Not a bad weekends work for them eh. 

Edited Sunday at 21:01 by RustyRightPeg

[jambo19]

I said that earlier, we have nothing to fear from a footballing perspective from Celtic or Rangers but Walsh missed 3 red card offences for Celtic... the refs and VAR can't be trusted 

[R08813]

Did Alistair Johnston not do something similar to Ralston against us and dive, blocking the ball with his hand? Wonder if it’s something they’ve been coached to do 

[R08813]

Just now, R08813 said:

Did Alistair Johnston not do something similar to Ralston against us and dive, blocking the ball with his hand? Wonder if it’s something they’ve been coached to do 

Scratch that! Was against Killie - just remember seeing it

[benny]

Walsh must have celtic leanings going by today's performance.

[Fozzyonthefence]

57 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said:

A list of the errors I spotted this weekend: 

 

- Ball moving from the free kick which ended up in the St Mirren first goal

- Richard King escaping a second booking for a cynical foul and delaying the restart of the game in the same incident 

- Ralston escaping a second yellow today for persistent fouling and the handball for the penalty

- Aasgard’s red card

- Maeda leathering Diomande in the ribs (higher than Aasgard’s) and escaping a red

- Trusty kicking Butland in the head and only getting booked. It was reviewed and deemed to only be a yellow by VAR

 

Not a bad weekends work for them eh. 

You don’t think Aasgard’s was a red but Maeda’s was?  Thank god you’re not a ref then if you can’t see the differences in those two challenges!  
 

And the Ralston handball wasn’t deliberate so that will be why it was deemed a yellow.  
 

Agree with the Trusty one, that was stupid and could easily have been a red.  Didn’t  see the other semi. 

[Cruyff]

I thought Celtic were refereed differently to Rangers. 

[Valois No1]

Celtic got off lightly today. Again. 
 

It’s intentional 

[Tynecastle Valhalla]

Celtic got away with one today 

 

[milky_26]

3 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said:

You don’t think Aasgard’s was a red but Maeda’s was?  Thank god you’re not a ref then if you can’t see the differences in those two challenges!  
 

And the Ralston handball wasn’t deliberate so that will be why it was deemed a yellow.  
 

Agree with the Trusty one, that was stupid and could easily have been a red.  Didn’t  see the other semi. 

ralston wasn't booked for the handball, that was the point the poster was making

[jambo19]

2 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said:

You don’t think Aasgard’s was a red but Maeda’s was?  Thank god you’re not a ref then if you can’t see the differences in those two challenges!  
 

And the Ralston handball wasn’t deliberate so that will be why it was deemed a yellow.  
 

Agree with the Trusty one, that was stupid and could easily have been a red.  Didn’t  see the other semi. 

Ralston wasn't given a 2nd yellow for the penalty despite throwing himself in to block a shot on goal 

 

Maeda ran over and hit Aasgard after his challenge on Ralston. No yellow card, he then committed multiple fouls and only received 1 yellow for the high boot to chest 

 

Then there is Trusty which itself was a straight red. The ref was reluctant to book them I think is more the point.

 

Our game against Celtic ended up being something like 11 fouls and 4 yellow for Hearts vs 10 fouls and 1 yellow for Celtic 

[RustyRightPeg]

4 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said:

You don’t think Aasgard’s was a red but Maeda’s was?  Thank god you’re not a ref then if you can’t see the differences in those two challenges!  
 

And the Ralston handball wasn’t deliberate so that will be why it was deemed a yellow.  
 

Agree with the Trusty one, that was stupid and could easily have been a red.  Didn’t  see the other semi. 

I don’t think either are reds. But if one if a red for a reckless high foot, a rugby style up and under to the upper chest is a red too. 
 

Wasn’t aware you had to deliberately handball the football to be given a yellow. The shot is more than likely going in without his arm stopping it so it would be a second yellow for me. 

[jamboinglasgow]

Still can't understand how Trusty kicking Butland in the head was not a red. The fact he moves his leg towards Butland after Butland has the ball in his arms, rules out momentum.

[Fozzyonthefence]

12 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

ralston wasn't booked for the handball, that was the point the poster was making

Apologies, I meant to say “wasn’t” a yellow.  Correct decision as he couldn’t get out of the way of it.   Thought it was a harsh penalty to be honest but probably correct by the letter of the law.  But not every handball merits a yellow. 

[maroonsgotop]

29 minutes ago, benny said:

Walsh must have celtic leanings going by today's performance.

that's well known

[Fozzyonthefence]

12 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said:

I don’t think either are reds. But if one if a red for a reckless high foot, a rugby style up and under to the upper chest is a red too. 
 

Wasn’t aware you had to deliberately handball the football to be given a yellow. The shot is more than likely going in without his arm stopping it so it would be a second yellow for me. 

Aasgard went in with force and drew blood ffs!  Was much more reckless than the Maeda one.   Saying that, if the Maeda one was given as a red I’m not sure it would be overturned.   
 

Why would you get a yellow for an accidental handball?  That’s just silly, makes no sense, you’d be sending him off for not doing anything wrong. 

[NaturalOrder74]

25 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

I thought Celtic were refereed differently to Rangers. 

Agree mate load of similar fouls treated differently 

[RustyRightPeg]

10 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said:

Aasgard went in with force and drew blood ffs!  Was much more reckless than the Maeda one.   Saying that, if the Maeda one was given as a red I’m not sure it would be overturned.   
 

Why would you get a yellow for an accidental handball?  That’s just silly, makes no sense, you’d be sending him off for not doing anything wrong. 

Because his arm stops the ball from going in. Thats why he gave the penalty?

 

If he’s a yard out and it hits his arm (see Hibs against Dundee Utd) it would be a second yellow. This is no different. Gassama’s shot is going into the bottom corner.

[theo1874]

Aasgard red card was deserved. How Trusty stayed on the pitch is beyond me. He clearly endangered an opponent by kicking Butland in the head as he knew finewell he was never getting the ball.

[Skivingatwork]

Something like 72 domestic games without a red card. It’s a world record for top flight football. 

[Jambo Buckets]

Apart from the Trusty kick on Butland I thought the ref got most of the big decisions right today. Very harsh penalty, but think it might be the rules that any contact on the arm is a penalty if it's blocking a shot, even if the arm is tucked in and not in an unnatural position. 

[Born Again Nade]

They’re just incompetent guys. 🎃

[nick_3892]

5 hours ago, Jambo Buckets said:

Apart from the Trusty kick on Butland I thought the ref got most of the big decisions right today. Very harsh penalty, but think it might be the rules that any contact on the arm is a penalty if it's blocking a shot, even if the arm is tucked in and not in an unnatural position. 

 
I think it being a goalbound shot probably made it a penalty. Even though his arm was tucked in it still prevented the shot reaching the goal hence penalty and no card. I could be completely wrong though.

[Doc Rob]

7 hours ago, Skivingatwork said:

Something like 72 domestic games without a red card. It’s a world record for top flight football. 

What is frustrating is that this will be said to be a reflection of their excellent discipline, rather than of refereeing bias. Rather like Rangers* long run of not conceding penalties at home.

[jamboozy]

8 hours ago, Skivingatwork said:

Something like 72 domestic games without a red card. It’s a world record for top flight football. 

SFA bent as a bowl of chips. The referees in this country are a parody of themselves, pantomime villains if you will.

[HMFC 86]

This is what we will be up against, just like the 2005/06 game when Takis was red carded. The other week against Celtic, McLean wouldn’t give us a free kick in the second half and booked 4 of our players. Guaranteed the refereeing gets even worse in future games with Celtic

[Ian Black 8]

The refereeing in this country is abysmal and the fact decisions with VAR involved are still getting missed is even more ****ed up

[Dennis Denuto]

Ralston dives in front of the ball and blocks it with his arm, he prevents a goal by doing that, it is a penalty and red card in view and yet he didn't even get booked!

 

[cosanostra]

Ralston - penalty and booking

Aasgard - straight red

Trusty - straight red

[Victor Meldrew]

21 minutes ago, Dennis Denuto said:

Ralston dives in front of the ball and blocks it with his arm, he prevents a goal by doing that, it is a penalty and red card in view and yet he didn't even get booked!

 

I think that if the ref is giving the penalty it ought to be a booking, but I thought the penalty was harsh as he seemed to be falling before the shot was taken - so he wasn't diving in the way to stop it.

 

If it had been given against us in a game, we'd be pretty annoyed.

[Dennis Denuto]

1 minute ago, Victor Meldrew said:

I think that if the ref is giving the penalty it ought to be a booking, but I thought the penalty was harsh as he seemed to be falling before the shot was taken - so he wasn't diving in the way to stop it.

 

If it had been given against us in a game, we'd be pretty annoyed.

If he was falling or not he still dived in front of the ball, if he had just kept falling he would not have blocked it, and if he did not dive his arm would not have been there for it to be hit by the ball, he moved his arm Infront of the ball and blocked a shot, red card in my view.

[1953]

I didn't pay a huge amount of attention to it all but the Trusty kick on the keepers head should have been red.

[Nelly Terraces]

12 hours ago, RustyRightPeg said:

A list of the errors I spotted this weekend: 

 

- Ball moving from the free kick which ended up in the St Mirren first goal

- Richard King escaping a second booking for a cynical foul and delaying the restart of the game in the same incident 

- Ralston escaping a second yellow today for persistent fouling and the handball for the penalty

- Aasgard’s red card

- Maeda leathering Diomande in the ribs (higher than Aasgard’s) and escaping a red

- Trusty kicking Butland in the head and only getting booked. It was reviewed and deemed to only be a yellow by VAR

 

Not a bad weekends work for them eh. 

Incredible eh. I was messaging a mate who's a Dundee Utd fan when yesterdays game was on & we were both astounded by all those incidents you've highlighted above. I managed to catch up with the Saturday game & agree that the 2 things you mentioned were both missed. The standard of officiating is just rank amateur.

[Always the Hearts]

Maeda - should have been off for multiple fouls.

 

Ralston - should have been sent off.

 

Trusty - incredible he wasn't sent off.

 

Aasgard - red card was deserved. 

 

If we want to win this league, we need to be ten times better than Celtic, because the officials are in their back pocket and they will do EVERYTHING in their power to stop Hearts winning the title. 

[RustyRightPeg]

37 minutes ago, Nelly Terraces said:

Incredible eh. I was messaging a mate who's a Dundee Utd fan when yesterdays game was on & we were both astounded by all those incidents you've highlighted above. I managed to catch up with the Saturday game & agree that the 2 things you mentioned were both missed. The standard of officiating is just rank amateur.

Dreadful. Should add that Richard King scored less than a minute after his foul and delaying of the restart. 

[Seymour M Hersh]

12 hours ago, theo1874 said:

Aasgard red card was deserved. How Trusty stayed on the pitch is beyond me. He clearly endangered an opponent by kicking Butland in the head as he knew finewell he was never getting the ball.

 

Disagree about Asgard. His eyes were on the ball all the time. I think a yellow would have been enough. Had Ralston (who somehow managed to stay on) had been in possession then probably a red but he was not. 

[bigdav]

32 minutes ago, Always the Hearts said:

Maeda - should have been off for multiple fouls.

 

Ralston - should have been sent off.

 

Trusty - incredible he wasn't sent off.

 

Aasgard - red card was deserved. 

 

If we want to win this league, we need to be ten times better than Celtic, because the officials are in their back pocket and they will do EVERYTHING in their power to stop Hearts winning the title. 

Yep that's why we got two decisions for us at Ibrox and a very debatable one went our way on Wed night as well 🤦

[Seymour M Hersh]

55 minutes ago, 1953 said:

I didn't pay a huge amount of attention to it all but the Trusty kick on the keepers head should have been red.

 

That was one for VAR to alert the ref to but McLean decided not to or Walsh ignored him.

[Seymour M Hersh]

3 hours ago, Ian Black 8 said:

The refereeing in this country is abysmal and the fact decisions with VAR involved are still getting missed is even more ****ed up

 

VAR seem to want to avoid pissing off their mates by pointing out their countless mistakes thus exacerbating the situation.

[Bill Sikes]

Only one wrong was booting the keeper in the head. Trusty clearly takes a wee extra kick out knowing full well the keeper is diving for the ball. 

 

The persistent fouls by Celtic players is seriously cute imo, it's never highlighted and they rarely do it in dangerous areas to get the referees attention, again you don't see the same players doing it straight away to get the referees attention.

 

All said and done the stats every season show Celtic getting away with as high a volume of fouls with little or no punishment, so they are clearly coached in the finer points of the game or they get preferential treatment. Probably a bit of both in my opinion. 

[JimmyCant]

10 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Disagree about Asgard. His eyes were on the ball all the time. I think a yellow would have been enough. Had Ralston (who somehow managed to stay on) had been in possession then probably a red but he was not. 

I don’t think that’s right. I think he’s realised he’s not first to that ball and he’s left his leg high on Ralston deliberately. A red all day long for me

 

Trusty. That’s probably a red most times. He’s been hoping Butland spills it but it’s reckless and dangerous to the opponent

 

The penalty. I’d be raging if that was given against us but screaming for it if it was in our favour. It’s one of those, but he has to be booked if they think it’s a penalty 

 

Ralston and Maeda spent the whole game fouling people

[Always the Hearts]

28 minutes ago, bigdav said:

Yep that's why we got two decisions for us at Ibrox and a very debatable one went our way on Wed night as well 🤦

Out of how many that don't go our way? And I meant in our games v Celtic when it gets down to the nitty gritty. Can you honestly see Nick Walsh, Don Robertson, Kevin Clancy, Frank Connor etc etc giving us a big decision at Celtic Park? 

[Deevers]

Celtic  get away with murder week in week out. McGregor should have at least got a yellow card last week for hands on Devlin then manhandling the referee.  Had it been Devlin we all know  the red would have been out in a flash. 

[bloomtime]

Last week and yesterday proved that celtic will get more decisions in their favour than any club in league even more than penalty to sevco. McGregor is still their best player but like broony yaps all game to ref sticks boot in and never gets booked that often. We know if the st martin manager bounce wears off that their pals in gfa will help them. Funny how last week was sack the board this week trebles on.

Edited Monday at 11:38 by bloomtime

[Footballfirst]

I'll be interested to hear the Ref/VAR audio for the Ralston handball. I wonder if they considered whether Ralston had been fouled, resulting in him losing his balance, then throwing himself into the path of the ball.

[ToadKiller Dog]

40 minutes ago, bloomtime said:

Last week and yesterday proved that celtic will get more decisions in their favour than any club in league even more than penalty to sevco. McGregor is still their best player but like broony yaps all game to ref sticks boot in and never gets booked that often. We know if the st martin manager bounce wears off that their pals in gfa will help them. Funny how last week was sack the board this week trebles on.

Yep the refs will have a say where it matters. Up to us to do the near impossible and keep winning and be super smart and not give refs excuses. 

Was told Celtic are on a world record run on not getting a red card domestically. 

What's the bet the previous record was held by one of the uglies. 

 

Edited Monday at 12:17 by ToadKiller Dog

[Der Kaiser]

15 hours ago, RustyRightPeg said:

A list of the errors I spotted this weekend: 

 

- Ball moving from the free kick which ended up in the St Mirren first goal

- Richard King escaping a second booking for a cynical foul and delaying the restart of the game in the same incident 

- Ralston escaping a second yellow today for persistent fouling and the handball for the penalty

- Aasgard’s red card

- Maeda leathering Diomande in the ribs (higher than Aasgard’s) and escaping a red

- Trusty kicking Butland in the head and only getting booked. It was reviewed and deemed to only be a yellow by VAR

 

Not a bad weekends work for them eh. 

 

More games for Celtic though....

 

[JamboAl1965]

Spoiler

 

This is why no booking. Ref got it right

[RustyRightPeg]

1 minute ago, JamboAl1965 said:

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This is why no booking. Ref got it right

Dundee United player got sent off against Hibs, second yellow for the same thing. There’s no consistency. 

[JamboAl1965]

2 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said:

Dundee United player got sent off against Hibs, second yellow for the same thing. There’s no consistency. 

Don’t disagree with that