Pingu Posted October 20 Posted October 20 A wee ChatGPT project. Should be self explanatory. I can update it after each game and definitely will if things keep going well!
Deviskan Posted October 20 Posted October 20 Can you add the Burley season to this please? …as that could be hugely relevant this season.
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted October 20 Posted October 20 3 minutes ago, Deviskan said: Can you add the Burley season to this please? …as that could be hugely relevant this season. 97/98 should be added too
RustyRightPeg Posted October 20 Posted October 20 Seen we didn’t get 23 points until the 5th of January last season. We’re on 22 currently.
spacerjoe Posted October 20 Posted October 20 11 minutes ago, Pingu said: A wee ChatGPT project. Should be self explanatory. I can update it after each game and definitely will if things keep going well! That stretch under Naismith from week 11 to 26 shows how hard it's going to be. That's an incredible run, yet we still finished 3rd. Definitely would be good to see 98 and 06 in there.
kila Posted October 20 Posted October 20 A line for the previous seasons' champions would be good too
campbell Posted October 20 Posted October 20 Maybe 2 graphs are required haha this one & then one to compare against 98 & 06 & celtics points last season
King prawn Posted October 20 Posted October 20 12 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: Seen we didn’t get 23 points until the 5th of January last season. We’re on 22 currently. Don’t remind us
indianajones Posted October 20 Posted October 20 This is good. 06 and last years champions need added please!
Diehardjambo1 Posted October 20 Posted October 20 (edited) This chart is no good, on that current line we are going to burst through the p in points onto another thread. 😂 Edited October 20 by Diehardjambo1
Pingu Posted October 20 Author Posted October 20 I've hit my limit on free ChatGPT and I'm too tight to pay for it so I'll need to make updates later! I'll add the Burley season but not sure 97/98 makes sense as that was a 36 game season. Even then I was surprised to see we only finished with 67 points when I looked just now!
gar jambo Posted October 20 Posted October 20 Listen I said to myself break the third finish record points 74+ the rest is a bonus Guranteed 3 rd at the very worst a good Scottish cup run then improve every season
h-e-a-r-t-s Posted October 20 Posted October 20 Get an average of the last 7 years for whoever won the league and add that as a target line
RustyRightPeg Posted October 20 Posted October 20 34 minutes ago, King prawn said: Don’t remind us It’s just a staggering stat. Shows how bad it really was.
Gorgie_Rules Posted October 20 Posted October 20 18/19 would be good too, we were on 25 points after 10 games that season, obviously went pear shaped after.
Luscious Laryea Posted October 20 Posted October 20 Love this - one for the nerds. Have a feeling we'll be around 80-85 points which would be our best points total in my lifetime. Given the state of both sides of the Old Firm that should give us a real shot at winning the league.
spacerjoe Posted October 20 Posted October 20 16 minutes ago, Gorgie_Rules said: 18/19 would be good too, we were on 25 points after 10 games that season, obviously went pear shaped after. Don't think that will tell us much though other than what it looks like to completely implode. Seeing how we are tracking vs years we came second would be good though for context.
JamboAl1965 Posted October 20 Posted October 20 interesting that the rate of points achieved last year after the initial Naismith **** up isn't that different to the year before when we got third. would be interested in seeing the points per match average for those two years projected for the remainder of this year as a predictor for possible points total. would hope then thats the minimum we will achieve.
Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine Posted October 20 Posted October 20 27 minutes ago, Luscious Laryea said: Love this - one for the nerds. Have a feeling we'll be around 80-85 points which would be our best points total in my lifetime. Given the state of both sides of the Old Firm that should give us a real shot at winning the league. 85 points and we'll be really close. I think Celtic are only at the start of their fall off in terms of results. Rodgers seems determined to be sacked so he can get his payoff. Rangers would need 76 points from their last 30 games to get there, which is incredibly unlikely. What does that look like in terms of results from our last 30 games? 19W 6D 5L. So it will still take a lot of luck and overperformance of our underlying numbers from here for us to get there. The most important games for us will be the games against Celtic - if we can match them in these fixtures, then we give ourselves a really good chance. If they win all 4, then there isn't a title race imo. So Sunday is the most important league game for Hearts since maybe the relegation derby for me.
Ribble Posted October 20 Posted October 20 37 minutes ago, Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine said: 85 points and we'll be really close. I think Celtic are only at the start of their fall off in terms of results. Rodgers seems determined to be sacked so he can get his payoff. Rangers would need 76 points from their last 30 games to get there, which is incredibly unlikely. What does that look like in terms of results from our last 30 games? 19W 6D 5L. So it will still take a lot of luck and overperformance of our underlying numbers from here for us to get there. The most important games for us will be the games against Celtic - if we can match them in these fixtures, then we give ourselves a really good chance. If they win all 4, then there isn't a title race imo. So Sunday is the most important league game for Hearts since maybe the relegation derby for me. Yeah my concern would be Celtic getting pumped in Europe on Thursday and then us on Sunday seeing Brenda sacked and the return of Ange, an Ange side will be harder to face for the remainder of the season than a Brenda one
Sub4TiddlerMurray Posted October 20 Posted October 20 3 hours ago, Pingu said: A wee ChatGPT project. Should be self explanatory. I can update it after each game and definitely will if things keep going well! 👏 would be very interesting to see our progress develop compared with Celtic in the previous 2 seasons
Armageddon Posted October 20 Posted October 20 (edited) League winning points totals since the SPL began. 79 being the lowest needed to win the title. Season Champion Points 2024–25 Celtic 92 2023–24 Celtic 93 2022–23 Celtic 99 2021–22 Celtic 93 2020–21 Rangers 102 2019–20 Celtic 80 2018–19 Celtic 87 2017–18 Celtic 82 2016–17 Celtic 106 2015–16 Celtic 86 2014–15 Celtic 92 2013–14 Celtic 99 2012–13 Celtic 79 2011–12 Celtic 93 2010–11 Rangers 93 2009–10 Rangers 87 2008–09 Rangers 86 2007–08 Celtic 89 2006–07 Celtic 84 2005–06 Celtic 91 2004–05 Rangers 93 2003–04 Celtic 98 2002–03 Rangers 97 2001–02 Celtic 103 2000–01 Celtic 97 Edited October 20 by Armageddon
SomethingAboutObua Posted October 20 Posted October 20 34 minutes ago, Ribble said: Yeah my concern would be Celtic getting pumped in Europe on Thursday and then us on Sunday seeing Brenda sacked and the return of Ange, an Ange side will be harder to face for the remainder of the season than a Brenda one My hope RE Ange is he's been on too much money to go back to Celtic, and he's been there done that won it all anyway so if he's got other ambitions still that he would want to test himself at a higher level than here
AC Mallin_51 Posted October 20 Posted October 20 1 hour ago, Gorgie_Rules said: 18/19 would be good too, we were on 25 points after 10 games that season, obviously went pear shaped after. The injuries to Uche, Souttar then Naismith destroyed all momentum. We had to put Haring up front v Hibs. Even if worst comes to worst and we lost say Braga & Halkett to injury, yeah it’d be a massive blow but I don’t think it’d derail us like it did that season
spacerjoe Posted October 20 Posted October 20 3 minutes ago, Armageddon said: League winning points totals since the SPL began. 79 being the lowest needed to win the title. Season Champion Points 2024–25 Celtic 92 2023–24 Celtic 93 2022–23 Celtic 99 2021–22 Celtic 93 2020–21 Rangers 102 2019–20 Celtic 80 2018–19 Celtic 87 2017–18 Celtic 82 2016–17 Celtic 106 2015–16 Celtic 86 2014–15 Celtic 92 2013–14 Celtic 99 2012–13 Celtic 79 2011–12 Celtic 93 2010–11Rangers 93 2009–10 Rangers 87 2008–09 Rangers 86 2007–08 Celtic 89 2006–07 Celtic 84 2005–06 Celtic 91 2004–05 Rangers 93 2003–04 Celtic 98 2002–03 Rangers 97 2001–02 Celtic 103 2000–01 Celtic 97 More than likely we would need about 28 wins depending on our head to head with them.
spacerjoe Posted October 20 Posted October 20 2 minutes ago, Armageddon said: Amazing that we're all rightly buzzing by how poorly Celtics season has started, but they are still on PPG that would win them the league in almost every previous season...
SomethingAboutObua Posted October 20 Posted October 20 5 minutes ago, Armageddon said: Celtic are on an awful start/teams a disastrous mess etc and they're still on course to pick up the average points total needed to win the league since 2000
Firefox Posted October 20 Posted October 20 7 minutes ago, Armageddon said: League winning points totals since the SPL began. 79 being the lowest needed to win the title. Season Champion Points 2024–25 Celtic 92 2023–24 Celtic 93 2022–23 Celtic 99 2021–22 Celtic 93 2020–21 Rangers 102 2019–20 Celtic 80 2018–19 Celtic 87 2017–18 Celtic 82 2016–17 Celtic 106 2015–16 Celtic 86 2014–15 Celtic 92 2013–14 Celtic 99 2012–13 Celtic 79 2011–12 Celtic 93 2010–11 Rangers 93 2009–10 Rangers 87 2008–09 Rangers 86 2007–08 Celtic 89 2006–07 Celtic 84 2005–06 Celtic 91 2004–05 Rangers 93 2003–04 Celtic 98 2002–03 Rangers 97 2001–02 Celtic 103 2000–01 Celtic 97 What a depressing read that list is
Jambo dans les Pyrenees Posted October 20 Posted October 20 Average of last 10 years for league winners is 92. Some of those seasons the winners have run away with it. As long as we hold our own v Celtic (i.e. win at home), I think 85 points would get us there. As Armageddon has posted, our current run rate would take us to 103. Win or draw on Sunday, and we have a chance.
Jambo dans les Pyrenees Posted October 20 Posted October 20 14 minutes ago, Armageddon said: Loving 7th/8th/12th. If Carlsberg made seasons etc…..
Hackney Hearts Posted October 20 Posted October 20 11 minutes ago, SomethingAboutObua said: Celtic are on an awful start/teams a disastrous mess etc and they're still on course to pick up the average points total needed to win the league since 2000 That PPG table is before the weekend's results surely? The league order should be as it currently is. Celtic are now on 2.125 ppg - which would give them a final total of 81 points. We're on course for 104.5 points.
Australis Posted October 20 Posted October 20 Need another line, just for folk who like lines of stuff.
Section Q Posted October 20 Posted October 20 22 minutes ago, SomethingAboutObua said: My hope RE Ange is he's been on too much money to go back to Celtic, and he's been there done that won it all anyway so if he's got other ambitions still that he would want to test himself at a higher level than here Ange will end up in Europe. He won a European trophy and that wont go unnoticed.
Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine Posted October 20 Posted October 20 Very little chance of Ange going back to Celtic. However Rodgers won't walk, and the board won't sack him unless results get really bad (and the likelihood of that is really low imo). So the result is that they will keep until the end of the year and they will continue to be heavy favourites for the title. We just need to keep pushing them for as long as we can.
nick_3892 Posted October 20 Posted October 20 We got 74 points in 05/06. I would love us to beat this total this season. 👍 That’s 53 out of the remaining 90 to do so. 👍
Chillidigits Posted October 20 Posted October 20 50 minutes ago, SomethingAboutObua said: My hope RE Ange is he's been on too much money to go back to Celtic, and he's been there done that won it all anyway so if he's got other ambitions still that he would want to test himself at a higher level than here IMO regardless of who's managing who, Scottish clubs domestic form usually improves after they're out of Europe. That's what bothers me with Celtic and if we get Europe next season I'll feel the same about our form early doors
Pingu Posted October 20 Author Posted October 20 Right, folks. Here's an updated version with: - The Burley season added - A straight trend line to the average title winning total, based on all seasons since the 38 game / split format was introduced, but ignoring the truncated covid season. Basically, if we are ahead of that, we're on track to beat the average Champions' total I decided against adding 97/98 as that was the old league format and fewer games
Takeshi's Tynecastle Posted October 20 Posted October 20 35 minutes ago, nick_3892 said: We got 74 points in 05/06. I would love us to beat this total this season. 👍 That’s 53 out of the remaining 90 to do so. 👍 I mentioned in another thread that after only getting 2 points from our first 8 games last season we ended up on 52. That was boosted a bit by our bottom 6 results at the end, but it also included 25 games managed by Neil Critchley 🤷♂️ Just matching that 30 game return this season would be a massive disappointment given where we are right now with the current manager, players and form, but that would still get us to 72 points. So beating our 05/06 total is well on, and a target of 80+ points doesn’t seem unrealistic. With the form Celtic are in right now there is every possibility that could be enough… If we beat Celtic next week it will be really hard not to believe
Jamboross Posted October 20 Posted October 20 10 minutes ago, Takeshi's Tynecastle said: I mentioned in another thread that after only getting 2 points from our first 8 games last season we ended up on 52. That was boosted a bit by our bottom 6 results at the end, but it also included 25 games managed by Neil Critchley 🤷♂️ Just matching that 30 game return this season would be a massive disappointment given where we are right now with the current manager, players and form, but that would still get us to 72 points. So beating our 05/06 total is well on, and a target of 80+ points doesn’t seem unrealistic. With the form Celtic are in right now there is every possibility that could be enough… If we beat Celtic next week it will be really hard not to believe Think folk forget we actually had a spell of really good form under Critchley (excluding the Hibs and OF games) from mid December to mid March. It gets lost a little bit in how bad the last few games were but early in the spring he had us sitting 6th just 5 points off 3rd. Before the shit hit the fan it felt like we had a decent chance of sneaking into Europe which would have been remarkable given the start we had.
FarmerTweedy Posted October 20 Posted October 20 3 hours ago, JamboAl1965 said: interesting that the rate of points achieved last year after the initial Naismith **** up isn't that different to the year before when we got third. would be interested in seeing the points per match average for those two years projected for the remainder of this year as a predictor for possible points total. would hope then thats the minimum we will achieve. I'd say it is quite different. After 8 games (the number we'd played when Critchley was appointed) we had 2 points last season, compared to 11 the previous season, a 9 point difference. At the split (33 games) we had 40, compared to 62 the previous season, a 22 point difference. That's still a quite significantly lower ppg rate over that period. The final total for last season is hugely flattered by the fact we were in the bottom 6 and picked up 12 points.
nick_3892 Posted October 20 Posted October 20 37 minutes ago, Takeshi's Tynecastle said: I mentioned in another thread that after only getting 2 points from our first 8 games last season we ended up on 52. That was boosted a bit by our bottom 6 results at the end, but it also included 25 games managed by Neil Critchley 🤷♂️ Just matching that 30 game return this season would be a massive disappointment given where we are right now with the current manager, players and form, but that would still get us to 72 points. So beating our 05/06 total is well on, and a target of 80+ points doesn’t seem unrealistic. With the form Celtic are in right now there is every possibility that could be enough… If we beat Celtic next week it will be really hard not to believe Exactly!! This start has given us a great platform. Just focus on playing well and we have a decent squad as well. Didn’t see it on the other thread. I’d be disappointed with 53 from 90 as well. 82 points is a 2 ppg rate from now which is doable. 👍
FarmerTweedy Posted October 20 Posted October 20 2 hours ago, Armageddon said: That's completely wrong.
FarmerTweedy Posted October 20 Posted October 20 2 hours ago, spacerjoe said: Amazing that we're all rightly buzzing by how poorly Celtics season has started, but they are still on PPG that would win them the league in almost every previous season... Except they're not, that table is nonsense.
spacerjoe Posted October 20 Posted October 20 21 minutes ago, FarmerTweedy said: Except they're not, that table is nonsense. Good old AI
Takeshi's Tynecastle Posted October 20 Posted October 20 50 minutes ago, Jamboross said: Think folk forget we actually had a spell of really good form under Critchley (excluding the Hibs and OF games) from mid December to mid March. It gets lost a little bit in how bad the last few games were but early in the spring he had us sitting 6th just 5 points off 3rd. Before the shit hit the fan it felt like we had a decent chance of sneaking into Europe which would have been remarkable given the start we had. That is true. Prior to the March derby defeat we had a league run of 19 points from 8 games (with the loss being the McCart OF-fest) so not far off what we’ve just done. But in the same way we don’t expect us to fall away like Aberdeen did, I don’t expect us to revert to Critchley’s mean. Overall I think it was a shade under 1.5 PPG under NC (38 points from 26 games?) - equivalent to a 56 point season (assuming we didn’t drop off post split like we normally do) enough for 4th most seasons. There’s next to no chance we can keep this form up, but this team and club set up looks well placed to smash our 05/06 total
daavojaay Posted October 20 Posted October 20 I just can't see us falling apart under mcinnes. He won't let it happen. We might lose themodd game but i think that'll just get us back firing on all cylinders. Special season maybe once in a lifetime stuff happening with our amazing club
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