Borchgrevink ( Merged )

[EH11 2NL]

If this boys as good as the likes of Braga and Kyzi, we're gonna have some side come January. Arguably the 2 most experienced still to feature in Ageu and Chesni, Borch hopefully finally solves the RB issue. It's hard to see a position that would need improved on. Obviously we will improve, scary to think what level of players will replace this crop through the JTA system. 

[pettigrewsstylist]

15 minutes ago, scott herbertson said:

 

 

Just a reminder of what the guy brings. Also was captain of his promotion winning side before coming to us. He's not one of those gamble/ potential signings

 

"An intelligent, versatile player, 25-year-old Christian has been a mainstay of Valerenga’s first team in recent years, making a total of 125 appearances and scoring nine goals. With a famed delivery in his locker, he’s registered 27 assists.

 

A product of the Oslo-based side’s youth system, he cut his teeth during loan spells at fellow Norwegian outfits HamKam and Notodden FK in 2018 and 2019 respectively, before establishing himself in Valerenga’s top team from 2020 onwards.

 

Christian was part of the 2020 Valerenga side that finished third in the top flight, securing European qualification in the process. He got his first taste of UEFA Conference League action the following campaign as Valerenga narrowly missed out on attaining consecutive European finishes.

 

Enga would succumb to relegation in 2023 but last season, with Christian as captain, they swept all aside to win the second tier and immediate promotion back to the Eliteserien."

Be good to get to point where he has 10 league starts under his belt.

[WASTREL]

5 hours ago, Dido of Consequence said:

Cheers for that

 

1st game back for our record signing after bring out injured ...

......away to killie on that pitch?

 

No thanks  😆 🤣 

 

 

 

Cool 

My thoughts as well ... was just quoting DM from the Scottish Football Social Club post cast he was in at the weekend.  Listening to DM talk about the player .... I absolutely cant wait to watch him play.   He will be a target for the "cabre tossers" of which Killie have a few in their defence. I hope he is robust. 

[mitch41]

13 hours ago, colinmaroon said:

 

Oh dear!  That's what thinking too much does and, like so many others, you'll put a player under an unbalanced microscope, just looking at all his failures.

 

Seen it before, from the abuse got on here in 2006 on particularly.  Robbie Neison, right back coincidentally, Zal in his first few seasons, "bombscare", and so it's gone on.

 

All three were good players and "bombscare" Zal is now a legend.

 

Give the player a break!  Give yourself a break!

 

 

So I put a player under an unbalanced microscope, I just look for his failures, you talk about giving players abuse, you mention ‘bombscare’, you talk about giving the player and myself a break. My post really got to you didn’t it.  

Edited September 25 by mitch41

[mitch41]

8 hours ago, scott herbertson said:

 

 

Just a reminder of what the guy brings. Also was captain of his promotion winning side before coming to us. He's not one of those gamble/ potential signings

 

"An intelligent, versatile player, 25-year-old Christian has been a mainstay of Valerenga’s first team in recent years, making a total of 125 appearances and scoring nine goals. With a famed delivery in his locker, he’s registered 27 assists.

 

A product of the Oslo-based side’s youth system, he cut his teeth during loan spells at fellow Norwegian outfits HamKam and Notodden FK in 2018 and 2019 respectively, before establishing himself in Valerenga’s top team from 2020 onwards.

 

Christian was part of the 2020 Valerenga side that finished third in the top flight, securing European qualification in the process. He got his first taste of UEFA Conference League action the following campaign as Valerenga narrowly missed out on attaining consecutive European finishes.

 

Enga would succumb to relegation in 2023 but last season, with Christian as captain, they swept all aside to win the second tier and immediate promotion back to the Eliteserien."

I agree his history looks ok but I just feel he’s not going to fit into Hearts team. I’m not going to abuse him, slag him off, start a hate campaign because I really hope the lad is a success. Sometimes you just have a hunch/feeling about the player but hey that’s all it is.

[scott herbertson]

28 minutes ago, mitch41 said:

I agree his history looks ok but I just feel he’s not going to fit into Hearts team. I’m not going to abuse him, slag him off, start a hate campaign because I really hope the lad is a success. Sometimes you just have a hunch/feeling about the player but hey that’s all it is.

 

 

No problem - we all have these feelings - sometimes they are right, sometimes wrong. I thought Dhanda would be great for us, for example. Ditto Spittal though I still feel he has potential 

[colinmaroon]

5 hours ago, mitch41 said:

So I put a player under an unbalanced microscope, I just look for his failures, you talk about giving players abuse, you mention ‘bombscare’, you talk about giving the player and myself a break. My post really got to you didn’t it.  

 

No! I just think your post displayed somewhat disturbing tendencies.

 

 

[mitch41]

8 hours ago, scott herbertson said:

 

 

No problem - we all have these feelings - sometimes they are right, sometimes wrong. I thought Dhanda would be great for us, for example. Ditto Spittal though I still feel he has potential 

Dhanda looked like a great signing but what a letdown the boy was. There may of been certain problems fitting into a Hearts team that was going through a rough time as well as the injury he had. As for Spittal well he’s a squad player not a 1st team starter unless as the season progresses and injuries & suspensions he may start a game but January might lead to fresh blood and he might want first team football elsewhere.

[tcjambo]

7 hours ago, mitch41 said:

Dhanda looked like a great signing but what a letdown the boy was. There may of been certain problems fitting into a Hearts team that was going through a rough time as well as the injury he had. As for Spittal well he’s a squad player not a 1st team starter unless as the season progresses and injuries & suspensions he may start a game but January might lead to fresh blood and he might want first team football elsewhere.

Just at Motherwell is the player we thought we were getting with Dhanda.

[mitch41]

11 hours ago, colinmaroon said:

 

No! I just think your post displayed somewhat disturbing tendencies.

 

 

I displayed Disturbing Tendencies…….really, wow.

[weegie jambo]

Where was he today? Can't see anything online. We were lead to believe he was ready to play then he's not even on the bench. Strikes me as strange,

[Stendelnator]

5 minutes ago, weegie jambo said:

Where was he today? Can't see anything online. We were lead to believe he was ready to play then he's not even on the bench. Strikes me as strange,

 

Or maybe he wasn't quite 100% and McInnes felt we'd manage without him. Which we did. Change your pants 

[Armageddon]

7 minutes ago, weegie jambo said:

Where was he today? Can't see anything online. We were lead to believe he was ready to play then he's not even on the bench. Strikes me as strange,

Lost a leg in Spain, waiting for it to grow back.

[weegie jambo]

1 minute ago, Stendelnator said:

 

Or maybe he wasn't quite 100% and McInnes felt we'd manage without him. Which we did. Change your pants 

I just thought someone should have asked him. Just seemed strange given that we all thought he'd be in the starting line up

[jr ewing]

Take no chances. 

[Pingu]

16 minutes ago, weegie jambo said:

Where was he today? Can't see anything online. We were lead to believe he was ready to play then he's not even on the bench. Strikes me as strange,

If he wasn't fit enough to start, I can understand why he wouldn't be on the bench. If we're going with two defenders, McCart and Steinwender give us more cover.

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

only 3 spots he could have got today - starting right back or one of two defender spots on the bench

 

why should he be infront of mcentee steinwender or mccart given where we are in the league and how weve been doing ?

 

other than just giving him minutes but mccart and steinwender need minutes too

 

pretty clear (at the moment) mcentee is first choice right back and with very physical games in hibs and celtic coming up he’ll be even more first choice right back for them

 

 

Edited September 27 by MoncurMacdonaldMercer

[All roads lead to Gorgie]

McEntee had a solid game at right back today so it will be hard for Borch to become the number one in that position in the short term. He overlaps better than McEntee though so we should see him play in games where we need more support given to the strikers further up the pitch.  

[Watt-Zeefuik]

48 minutes ago, All roads lead to Gorgie said:

McEntee had a solid game at right back today so it will be hard for Borch to become the number one in that position in the short term. He overlaps better than McEntee though so we should see him play in games where we need more support given to the strikers further up the pitch.  

 

For me, as soon as Borch is fully fit, Milne is back on the left and McEntee is competing for midfield minutes again. I can't speak highly enough for how well he's filled in but he is very limited going forward, and need to just play the sitting, fully defensive RB when he's on. Borch is a much more complete RB/RWB when he's on.

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

14 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

 

For me, as soon as Borch is fully fit, Milne is back on the left and McEntee is competing for midfield minutes again. I can't speak highly enough for how well he's filled in but he is very limited going forward, and need to just play the sitting, fully defensive RB when he's on. Borch is a much more complete RB/RWB when he's on.

as said before mcentee had at least 3 crosses into the box at ibrox which you choose not to acknowledge and he got forward at times today - borch will get forward more based on his hearts standard analysis as that’s where all his strengths appear to lie and the weaknesses he does have according to the analysis are more defensive (pretty much untested in a hearts jersey)

 

theres two issues tho - based on mcinnes press conference after ibrox he wants a “lefty” to play wide right midfield and the only one he feels ready and robust enough for that at the moment is Milne 

 

I thought he might go borch karjote today and switch back to mcentee Milne for Hibs 

 

looks to me like it’s mcentee and Milne for the next 3 games unless there’s injury issues as hibs and Celtic will be battles as will killie away which I think is the other game

 

 

[Jambosteve1902]

2 hours ago, Pingu said:

If he wasn't fit enough to start, I can understand why he wouldn't be on the bench. If we're going with two defenders, McCart and Steinwender give us more cover.

As far as I’m aware he and Ageu were both fit enough to be in squad but didn’t deem it necessary. Which I’d say is testament to where we are as a club at the moment!  

[pettigrewsstylist]

Thought he would get 45 today. Cant see him being started in derby. 

[EH11 2NL]

Don't think Borch or Ageu come in next week, maybe see the end of the game of we're cruising. The way we're playing we don't need to bring them back in, the international break comes at a good time for them. Another 2 weeks preparation to come back as strong as possible. Seems a risk that we don't need to take, a good place to be compared to years of rushing players back as we were desperate. 

[mitch41]

So Borchgervink was found to be missing again for the Hearts v Falkirk game.

What is the problem this time. McInnes told us that he had trained and would be in the squad and could start then we look at the team when it’s announced, ok he’s not starting, we look at the substitutes and find out he’s missing again. WTF is going on with this guy ? Answers on the back of his sick line.

[Ford Prentice]

6 minutes ago, mitch41 said:

So Borchgervink was found to be missing again for the Hearts v Falkirk game.

What is the problem this time. McInnes told us that he had trained and would be in the squad and could start then we look at the team when it’s announced, ok he’s not starting, we look at the substitutes and find out he’s missing again. WTF is going on with this guy ? Answers on the back of his sick line.

Did he not go down to London with Ageu to let a specialist give them a once over and, hopefully, the all clear?

[TheBigO]

11 minutes ago, mitch41 said:

So Borchgervink was found to be missing again for the Hearts v Falkirk game.

What is the problem this time. McInnes told us that he had trained and would be in the squad and could start then we look at the team when it’s announced, ok he’s not starting, we look at the substitutes and find out he’s missing again. WTF is going on with this guy ? Answers on the back of his sick line.

Why do folk grt upset with stuff like this? Such strange reactions.

 

Cpukd be he was fit and not selected. Could be he's only ready for a bench spot but we decided Steinwender, which is prob correct. Could be he fekt it a bit tight on friday. Who knows? And in what way is it an emotional subject? If the club look at the international break coming up and decide why not just wait for Borch and Ageu, then not sure thatd be wild either.

 

I mean for how long has there been teeth gnashed on here about injury management? So now we're cautious. This is what it looks like.

 

Ps, glad we binned Halks

[mitch41]

9 hours ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

 

For me, as soon as Borch is fully fit, Milne is back on the left and McEntee is competing for midfield minutes again. I can't speak highly enough for how well he's filled in but he is very limited going forward, and need to just play the sitting, fully defensive RB when he's on. Borch is a much more complete RB/RWB when he's on.

You make a lot of judgements on what Borchgrevink is good at. I’d like to see for myself if he’s a much more complete RB/RWB when he’s on if you don’t mind. Saturday just there v Falkirk what is the problem now with him because he even couldn’t make it on to the bench. We can all think he’s a very good player but the proof will be seeing him in action then we’ll all know if he’s good enough to play for Hearts but it’s anyone’s guess when that will be.

[Born Again Nade]

19 minutes ago, mitch41 said:

So Borchgervink was found to be missing again for the Hearts v Falkirk game.

What is the problem this time. McInnes told us that he had trained and would be in the squad and could start then we look at the team when it’s announced, ok he’s not starting, we look at the substitutes and find out he’s missing again. WTF is going on with this guy ? Answers on the back of his sick line.

Calm doon hen. Weird obsessive posting IMO

[mitch41]

12 minutes ago, Ford Prentice said:

Did he not go down to London with Ageu to let a specialist give them a once over and, hopefully, the all clear?

Did the specialists not decide to keep Borchgrevink down there to examine him more thoroughly because they’d never seen such a body that needs so much maintenance. 
Sorry I just couldn’t resist …..

[mitch41]

6 minutes ago, Born Again Nade said:

Calm doon hen. Weird obsessive posting IMO

I just can’t sleep worrying about Borchgrevink I must be obsessed with his constant disappearances. Weird isn’t it.

[Born Again Nade]

6 minutes ago, mitch41 said:

I just can’t sleep worrying about Borchgrevink I must be obsessed with his constant disappearances. Weird isn’t it.

Calm doon hen. Everything is gonna b okay hun i promise x

[mitch41]

14 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

Why do folk grt upset with stuff like this? Such strange reactions.

 

Cpukd be he was fit and not selected. Could be he's only ready for a bench spot but we decided Steinwender, which is prob correct. Could be he fekt it a bit tight on friday. Who knows? And in what way is it an emotional subject? If the club look at the international break coming up and decide why not just wait for Borch and Ageu, then not sure thatd be wild either.

 

I mean for how long has there been teeth gnashed on here about injury management? So now we're cautious. This is what it looks like.

 

Ps, glad we binned Halks

Upset ! I’m more than upset you just don’t understand what I’m going through. It must be my Norwegian blood coming out making me be obsessed with Borchgrevink’s no shows.

[mitch41]

Just now, Born Again Nade said:

Calm doon hen. Everything is gonna b okay hun i promise x

Thank you darling. X 

[TheBigO]

5 minutes ago, mitch41 said:

Upset ! I’m more than upset you just don’t understand what I’m going through. It must be my Norwegian blood coming out making me be obsessed with Borchgrevink’s no shows.

You're quite weird Mitch.

[mitch41]

9 hours ago, TheBigO said:

You're quite weird Mitch.

More like mental gadgy.

[brux]

Why do some on here think so linear, do you not realise thay managers use the press to keep other teams guessing who they will play come Saturday.  Dont take what DM says so literally reegardung player availability, players could be weeks away from being available for selection but our opponents dont need to know that.  DM is very smart in his interviews, gives out player information in a way that benefits his team and the end goal of winning matches.

[AlimOzturk]

Don’t think the derby is the time to chuck Borch into the first team. Graduallly reintroduced off the bench. Our right hand side has been working with McEntee and Milne on the right no point messing with that for the derby. 

[tartofmidlothian]

6 hours ago, brux said:

Why do some on here think so linear, do you not realise thay managers use the press to keep other teams guessing who they will play come Saturday.  Dont take what DM says so literally reegardung player availability, players could be weeks away from being available for selection but our opponents dont need to know that.  DM is very smart in his interviews, gives out player information in a way that benefits his team and the end goal of winning matches.

 

I'm beginning to wonder that, and it's a fair point. He'll need to strike a balance with keeping the fans well informed, but I reckon most of us trust him to get it right after the last few games, whether that means throwing a player in or holding them back.

[Gordon Ramsay]

Mentions he missed the Falkirk game due to illness in the EEN article about injuries for Saturday.

[tartofmidlothian]

11 minutes ago, Gordon Ramsay said:

Mentions he missed the Falkirk game due to illness in the EEN article about injuries for Saturday.

 

[Rudy T]

27 minutes ago, Gordon Ramsay said:

Mentions he missed the Falkirk game due to illness in the EEN article about injuries for Saturday.

No one’s really wanting his lotto numbers! Injured a couple of times gets back fit, should be straight back in as the only RWB at the club but McInnes has found a solution to filling his position, finally getting a chance back on the bench at least and goes down with the man flu! When your lucks out it’s out!

[Watt-Zeefuik]

12 minutes ago, Rudy T said:

No one’s really wanting his lotto numbers! Injured a couple of times gets back fit, should be straight back in as the only RWB at the club but McInnes has found a solution to filling his position, finally getting a chance back on the bench at least and goes down with the man flu! When your lucks out it’s out!

 

It's rotten for him, but at the same time, if you'd told me in the summer that we were going to sign a top notch RB/RWB, our biggest position of need, AND double our signing fee, but that neither of them would play significant league minutes in the first six games, I'd have said, "oh well, hope we're still in the top six by the time they get back." Two points clear at the top and a thumping win in Glasgow without either? LFG!

Edited October 2 by Watt-Zeefuik

[Captain Sausage]

I might've missed it - any reason why Borch missed out on the squad last night? Just tactical to have Steinwender cover?

 

We really need him back for Kilmarnock - I thought he was fit but he's not been seen since Aberdeen.

[fast_blood]

18 minutes ago, Captain Sausage said:

I might've missed it - any reason why Borch missed out on the squad last night? Just tactical to have Steinwender cover?

 

We really need him back for Kilmarnock - I thought he was fit but he's not been seen since Aberdeen.

No mention of it. Potentially not quite recovered from his illness last weekend or just no need to rush him back into a winning side 

[Tommy Brown]

Dilemma for Del

Stick with unchanged team that is unbeaten in 3 with all clean sheets.

 

No point in putting him in yesterday (if he was fit enough).

Another two weeks with at least one closed door game more will help with him and Ageu.

[CMc]

21 minutes ago, Captain Sausage said:

I might've missed it - any reason why Borch missed out on the squad last night? Just tactical to have Steinwender cover?

 

We really need him back for Kilmarnock - I thought he was fit but he's not been seen since Aberdeen.

Think we are using the international break wisely. 

[TheBigO]

Yeah maybe bit of both. To go from injury to illness, he might just need a bit more to build up.

 

But also this might sound weird but it might be easier for him to get in the xi than the bench. You'd thonk itd be between him and Steinwender, and Steiny covers CH too. Tricky one. Or would you have him instead of Forrest?

 

If and when we have Borch and Ageu back and everyone else fit, theres going to be good players in the stand. McCart perhaps doesnt make it. 

[CMc]

1 minute ago, Tommy Brown said:

Dilemma for Del

Stick with unchanged team that is unbeaten in 3 with all clean sheets.

 

No point in putting him in yesterday (if he was fit enough).

Another two weeks with at least one closed door game more will help with him and Ageu.

I think it’s time for change. Even if only from the bench. 
 

OM did well defensively, but we struggled to play out through the fullbacks yesterday. Osin struggled to overlap and Harry was shown on to his right a lot. 
 

 

[sac]

Hopefully gets back and stays fit, so that Harry can get back to LB where he belongs and plays his best.

[RustyRightPeg]

5 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said:

Dilemma for Del

Stick with unchanged team that is unbeaten in 3 with all clean sheets.

 

No point in putting him in yesterday (if he was fit enough).

Another two weeks with at least one closed door game more will help with him and Ageu.

The changes won us the game yesterday. They deserve to play.  
 

Steinwender was more direct with his passing than McEntee, Kerjota well, was a winger playing on the wing and look what happened.