Immigration

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 minutes ago, lou said:

But this doesn't look as though it was through the proper channels unless I am missing something 

Well that’s what I  am saying either through proper channels or not 

[Star Lizard]

We need more Sun newspaper links IMO

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, Star Lizard said:

We need more Sun newspaper links IMO

That any better ? 
 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgp2pg3njko

[Nookie Bear]

On 03/05/2025 at 11:20, il Duce McTarkin said:

Concentration camps.

 

 

Typical wishy-washy-liberal-snowflake response from you.

[Morgan]

4 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Typical wishy-washy-liberal-snowflake response from you.

[il Duce McTarkin]

12 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Typical wishy-washy-liberal-snowflake response from you.

 

Jawohl.

[JudyJudyJudy]

20 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Typical wishy-washy-liberal-snowflake response from you.

😂😂😂😂😂

[Gerry1874]

2 hours ago, Star Lizard said:

Do you understand what asylum means 

Yes do you?

[lou]

1 hour ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Well that’s what I  am saying either through proper channels or not 

 Not really understanding why you would mention the proper channels in regard to this post though as there is no connection. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

17 minutes ago, lou said:

 Not really understanding why you would mention the proper channels in regard to this post though as there is no connection. 

Oh sorry . Yes I mean “ sleeper “ agents  who might pass security checks . 

[Jacques de Gauthier]

2 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Another good reason why we need to be careful who comes into the country , even if through the proper channels .

 

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/34796662/iranian-terror-attack-hours-away-imminent/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=sunmainfacebook&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR778t6Q2Wvb8fV-R9aS7oGlh7AJOjy4j9HycMOFRjrfmgI-M8qmxut6Shm8Yw_aem_DYH3EyVWIuDrtU2lUryYdQ#Echobox=1746426136

 

 

 

440 virgins remain untouched  

[The Mighty Thor]

5 hours ago, Jacques de Gatineau said:

The sheer volume of first and second generation immigrants I meet who want to become doctors and nurses is mighty impressive. We won't have staff shortages if these people are given the education opportunities the country is capable of providing.

That's the benefit of immigration right there.

 

Unfortunately British people can't get school spaces for their future instagram/tik-tok influencers and nail technicians for all these foreigners wanting to be doctors and nurses. 

Edited May 5 by The Mighty Thor

[Nookie Bear]

16 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

That's the benefit of immigration right there.

 

Unfortunately British people can't get school spaces for their future instagram/tik-tok influencers and nail technicians for all these foreigners wanting to be doctors and nurses. 

 

Slightly sweeping statement there

[Star Lizard]

54 minutes ago, Jacques de Gatineau said:

440 virgins remain untouched  

 

[lou]

26 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

That's the benefit of immigration right there.

 

Unfortunately British people can't get school spaces for their future instagram/tik-tok influencers and nail technicians for all these foreigners wanting to be doctors and nurses. 

You are without a doubt one of my favourite posters in here but that's very stereotypical.

[The Mighty Thor]

12 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Slightly sweeping statement there

You have to have been following the thread for that one to land. 

[The Mighty Thor]

2 minutes ago, lou said:

You are without a doubt one of my favourite posters in here but that's very stereotypical.

It's an unashamedly snidey dig i'm afraid.

[il Duce McTarkin]

We need more unashamedly snidey digs imo

[lou]

10 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

It's an unashamedly snidey dig i'm afraid.

Well, wee Chanel from Niddrie might well be your surgeon one day 😜

[Nookie Bear]

12 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

You have to have been following the thread for that one to land. 

 

In fairness i've barely been able to follow a thread on here since 2017

[The Mighty Thor]

15 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said:

We need more unashamedly snidey digs imo

12 minutes ago, lou said:

Well, wee Chanel from Niddrie might well be your surgeon one day 😜

A hip replacement and a full set of shellacs?

10 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

In fairness i've barely been able to follow a thread on here since 2017

 

You've missed little.

 

Rule of thumb = read the OP then skip the 8 pages of it becoming a trans debate

[John Findlay]

6 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

The NHS has more pressure on it than at any point in its history.

 

We have an increasingly aging and increasingly unhealthy population who think that the NHS is the miracle answer to their poor lifestyle choices. 

 

Mental health and social care is exploding too.

 

You're right though, no politician is prepared to tell the great British public the truth about the cost of dealing with it.

 

Again though, none of this is the fault of those coming to the UK to work or live, this is very much a home grown problem.

I never mentioned immigrants.

I just firmly believe you could increase the NHS budget Tenfold overnight, and those allegedly running it would still moan it wasn't enough. It is at the stage where it is a bottomless pit imho.

[Jacques de Gauthier]

1 hour ago, Star Lizard said:

 

Star Lizard and Judy hit the town for a big night out

[redjambo]

1 hour ago, lou said:

You are without a doubt one of my favourite posters in here but that's very stereotypical.

 

Indeed. Many of the foreigners want to be engineers too.

[redjambo]

31 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

I never mentioned immigrants.

I just firmly believe you could increase the NHS budget Tenfold overnight, and those allegedly running it would still moan it wasn't enough. It is at the stage where it is a bottomless pit imho.

 

No wonder @JudyJudyJudy isn't a fan of the NHS.

[Jacques de Gauthier]

2 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

That's the benefit of immigration right there.

 

Unfortunately British people can't get school spaces for their future instagram/tik-tok influencers and nail technicians for all these foreigners wanting to be doctors and nurses. 

Yeah, but it's balanced out by the ones who don't have a jot of the language, churn out a dozen kids at least half of of whom have conditions related to the fact their mother and father are first cousins, and whose families all work in cash-in-hand jobs, contributing very little to the exchequer but taking plenty back in SEN and NHS provision, I guess.

Edited May 5 by Jacques de Gatineau

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, redjambo said:

 

No wonder @JudyJudyJudy isn't a fan of the NHS.

 

[The Mighty Thor]

2 minutes ago, Jacques de Gatineau said:

Yeah, but it's balanced out by the ones who don't have a jot of the language, churn out a dozen kids at least of of whom have conditions related to the fact their mother and father are first cousins, and whose families all work in cash-in-hand jobs, contributing very little to the exchequer but taking plenty back in SEN and NHS provision, I guess.

 

Fifers?

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

No wonder @JudyJudyJudy isn't a fan of the NHS.

Btw ! I am an advocate of the NHS but think it seems to be a bottomless pit ! Needs a radical overhaul but everyone one should be entitled to “ free “ healthcare .
 

Don’t start a new rumour about me please ! There’s enough to get on with as it is ,,,,,,

 

 

[Jacques de Gauthier]

1 minute ago, The Mighty Thor said:

 

Fifers?

Didn't know they had been cleared to procreate again.

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 minutes ago, Jacques de Gatineau said:

Yeah, but it's balanced out by the ones who don't have a jot of the language, churn out a dozen kids at least of of whom have conditions related to the fact their mother and father are first cousins, and whose families all work in cash-in-hand jobs, contributing very little to the exchequer but taking plenty back in SEN and NHS provision, I guess.

Kapow ! 

[redjambo]

2 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

 

 

Variation on a very old school playground joke, I'm afraid. Glad you took it the right way.

[JudyJudyJudy]

Just now, redjambo said:

 

Variation on a very old school playground joke, I'm afraid. Glad you took it the right way.

I always do 😎

[The Mighty Thor]

36 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

I never mentioned immigrants.

I just firmly believe you could increase the NHS budget Tenfold overnight, and those allegedly running it would still moan it wasn't enough. It is at the stage where it is a bottomless pit imho.

 

I wasn't particularly talking about immigrants either. 

 

The great NHS is full of managers myth is precisely that. A myth.

 

Once Farage gets in the NHS will be a thing of the past anyway as he is very much an advocate of a US type, insurance based, private health model so the only bottomless pit you'll need is the one to pay for your treatment. So you'd better hope you're in tip-top shape as you head into your dotage. 👍

[redjambo]

Just now, JudyJudyJudy said:

Btw ! I am an advocate of the NHS but think it seems to be a bottomless pit ! Needs a radical overhaul but everyone one should be entitled to “ free “ healthcare .
 

Don’t start a new rumour about me please ! There’s enough to get on with as it is ,,,,,,

 

 

I appreciate that. You've mentioned in the past that you've had some good interactions with it. I had to misrepresent your position for the sake of the joke though. Thanks for playing along.

 

I'm a great fan of the NHS to be honest, quite proud of it, although it always seems to be in a state of struggle.

[redjambo]

3 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

I always do 😎

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

5 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

I appreciate that. You've mentioned in the past that you've had some good interactions with it. I had to misrepresent your position for the sake of the joke though. Thanks for playing along.

 

I'm a great fan of the NHS to be honest, quite proud of it, although it always seems to be in a state of struggle.

No bother . 👍 there’s creative things that the NHS can do and are doing . Examples are GP surgeries having physios or other specialists services on site . Our practice now has a blood pressure monitor thingy !! When  you can Just pop in get your blood pressure taken and leave ( you do it yourself ) just innovative things like that instead of over staffing in some areas . Also I think the appointments systems is really good where you can either meet a gp face to face or telephone consultation . Also ordering scripts from chemists too cuts down unnecessary appointments . 

Edited May 5 by JudyJudyJudy

[Star Lizard]

36 minutes ago, Jacques de Gatineau said:

Star Lizard and Judy hit the town for a big night out

Im the handsome one

[Jacques de Gauthier]

4 minutes ago, Star Lizard said:

Im the handsome one

 

'course you are, sunshine.

[Star Lizard]

15 minutes ago, Jacques de Gatineau said:

 

'course you are, sunshine.

Wasn’t aware we had met… as I said, the handsome one.

[WorldChampions1902]

7 hours ago, Jacques de Gatineau said:

The sheer volume of first and second generation immigrants I meet who want to become doctors and nurses is mighty impressive. We won't have staff shortages if these people are given the education opportunities the country is capable of providing.

Reminds me of something my daughter told me about one of her colleagues who is Asian. They work in the creative industry and this Asian colleague told my daughter that her parents were dead against her studying for an ‘arts’ degree as this went against their career plans for her. As she was growing up, her parents never tired of spouting the mantra, “Doctor, Lawyer or failure” to her and her siblings.

 

Thankfully, she decided on steering her own career direction and has been spectacularly successful.

[JudyJudyJudy]

18 minutes ago, Jacques de Gatineau said:

 

'course you are, sunshine.

I must need glasses if one of them is 

“ handsome “ , btw playful humour is lost with some people on this . 

[Norm]

10 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

For those in favour of immigration. 

 

Do you have no upper limit ? 

 

For example, lets say 10m economic migrants arrive on these shores over the next 2 years following a similar profile of the last couple of years . Is that acceptable, or not ? 

 

Its a question of where do you draw the line

 

(And if you do draw a line, no matter at what point, does that make you racist ? )

The number entirely depends on our economy. If we can support 10m more, let's go for it. Pretty sure we can't though.

 

Basically, as much immigration as our system can support.

 

The issue we have now is that some folk think we've already reached that and surpassed it. I don't agree, I think our issues here are a lack of investment in public services caused by poor taxation policies. The ones with the cash control the media though, so it's in their interest to persuade people the problem is immigration instead. 

 

 

[WorldChampions1902]

10 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

For those in favour of immigration. 

 

Do you have no upper limit ? 

 

For example, lets say 10m economic migrants arrive on these shores over the next 2 years following a similar profile of the last couple of years . Is that acceptable, or not ? 

 

Its a question of where do you draw the line

IMHO, there has to be an annual upper limit. If you take into account that around 700,000 Brits leave the U.K. each year (on current trends), we could allow 700,000 immigrants to enter the U.K., without any additional strain on public services. Being reasonable, and given the demands for additional labour in sectors such as farming, health care, nursing homes and manufacturing, we could comfortably allow another 100,000 or so to enter which means a net gain of that number year on year.

 

That annual immigration total figure of 800,000 is way below the recent figure of 1.2 million, so there is work to be done there, I agree. What I am steadfastly not in favour of, is the view of so many racists in this country who are totally against any amount of immigration. Their views can GTF.

 

PS where the hell do you get the idea that our immigration data trend is projected to be another 10m over the next two years based on “a similar profile of the last couple of years”? Stop listening to Farage and his ilk.

[Cade]

22 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

For those in favour of immigration. 

 

Do you have no upper limit ? 

 

For example, lets say 10m economic migrants arrive on these shores over the next 2 years following a similar profile of the last couple of years . Is that acceptable, or not ? 

 

Its a question of where do you draw the line

 

(And if you do draw a line, no matter at what point, does that make you racist ? )

 

Until the labour market is satisfied.

If there are available jobs and nobody here wants to do them, fill them with migrant workers (who then leave once their visa ends)
Job market is satisfied, tax income increases, very little in way of benefits is paid.

 

On the subject of asylum, there should never be any upper limit (as agreed in the 1951 UN convention)

 

 

[WorldChampions1902]

2 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

It says "For example.." as in to provoke opinion and debate. You can apologise later. 

 

And merely to see whether posters feel there should be an upper limit. You do, so do I. It makes neither of us racist but both of us looking to those that lead us to define the industries that do need labour support and the amount of labour needed and for how long. 

Your opening paragraph said quote, “For example, lets say 10m economic migrants arrive on these shores over the next 2 years following a similar profile of the last couple of years . Is that acceptable, or not ?”.

 

You suggested an “example” that 10m migrants could enter the U.K. over the next 2 years, based on real-life figures over the last 2 years. If that extrapolation is not what you intended, then all you had to do was exclude the wording, “……following a similar profile of the last couple of years”.
 

It’s not a problem and I won’t ask you to apologise.

[Jacques de Gauthier]

46 minutes ago, Star Lizard said:

Wasn’t aware we had met… as I said, the handsome one.

[If carlsberg did rivals...]

9 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

So on a thread about immigration are you making a point about immigration or the chronic underfunding of public services? 

 

If it's the latter then you should maybe start a thread about austerity and public funding?

Potentially about both, I'll tell you what needs stopped immediately, NHS treating people free who don't live in the country. If I became ill abroad I'd have to pay for any treatment received. 

[Norm]

18 minutes ago, If carlsberg did rivals... said:

Potentially about both, I'll tell you what needs stopped immediately, NHS treating people free who don't live in the country. If I became ill abroad I'd have to pay for any treatment received. 

I was under the impression most folk are charged.

[WorldChampions1902]

4 minutes ago, Norm said:

I was under the impression most folk are charged.

They are. But some chancers from abroad are able to exploit loopholes. In the grand scheme of things though, it’s small beer.