Rangers and 49ers

[Nerja Jambo]

1 hour ago, PortyBeach said:

He does deserve credit for that but I don’t think it would have gone ahead without David Murray’s approval.

I suspect for Murray it wasn’t just about signing a decent player.

He would have relished the psychological impact on Celtic of the deal and the message it sent out about who was the financial powerhouse.

And then along came that pesky McCann fella…

When David Murray approached Souness to go to Rangers, Souness agreed on the condition that he could sign any player regardless of his religion, including Catholics. Murray agreed. Souness instigated that.

[Nerja Jambo]

1 hour ago, WeeToonJambo said:

When he first went down south he was homesick and came back home.  There was a bit in a match programme saying he was training with Hearts.  He would be about 15 at the time. Apologies if this has been said before but I haven't bee following the thread.

His brother Gordon was with Hearts for a season or two, but never appeared in the first team.

[Largo]

14 minutes ago, Nerja Jambo said:

When David Murray approached Souness to go to Rangers, Souness agreed on the condition that he could sign any player regardless of his religion, including Catholics. Murray agreed. Souness instigated that.

Souness was at Rangers years before Murray arrived 

[Nerja Jambo]

9 minutes ago, Largo said:

Souness was at Rangers years before Murray arrived 

You're right. I was convinced that it was Murray who approached Souness. Who did, do you know as whoever it was was the one that Souness gave the ultimatum to. 

[Largo]

3 minutes ago, Nerja Jambo said:

You're right. I was convinced that it was Murray who approached Souness. Who did, do you know as whoever it was was the one that Souness gave the ultimatum to. 

David Holmes was the Chairman who brought Souness to Ibrox 

[Nerja Jambo]

5 minutes ago, Largo said:

David Holmes was the Chairman who brought Souness to Ibrox 

Ah right. Thanks.

[PortyBeach]

3 hours ago, Nerja Jambo said:

You're right. I was convinced that it was Murray who approached Souness. Who did, do you know as whoever it was was the one that Souness gave the ultimatum to. 

So, I think we can agree there was no Souness “ultimatum” to Murray. 
In any case, neither of them was/is noticeably anti-Catholic. Murray’s mother and I think Souness’ wife, were both Catholic.

And what both recognised was that RFC needed to bring in the best players (regardless of background) that tax-dodging could afford.

They weren’t going to let the club’s archaic traditions get in the way of a tilt at the Holy Grail of the European Cup. 

[Nerja Jambo]

25 minutes ago, PortyBeach said:

So, I think we can agree there was no Souness “ultimatum” to Murray. 
In any case, neither of them was/is noticeably anti-Catholic. Murray’s mother and I think Souness’ wife, were both Catholic.

And what both recognised was that RFC needed to bring in the best players (regardless of background) that tax-dodging could afford.

They weren’t going to let the club’s archaic traditions get in the way of a tilt at the Holy Grail of the European Cup. 

Ultimatum is maybe a slightly strong word but his taking the job was dependent on that. I think you're right about his wife. I was introduced to him many years ago just when he had been transferred to Spurs as at that time I was going out with who would eventually be his sister in law.

[Ex member of the SaS]

Regardless of what the board rooms think ,they both know that the bigotry is what makes them both huge. The fans can shout whatever they want as long as the cash rolls in. If either board renounced the bigorty and meant it, then both teams would be a shadow of what they are now.

[EVHearts]

Is it genuine info, if Leeds don’t get promoted, then their 49rs takeover can’t go ahead.  Leeds are wobbling right now 😁😁

[buzzbomb1958]

16 minutes ago, EVHearts said:

Is it genuine info, if Leeds don’t get promoted, then their 49rs takeover can’t go ahead.  Leeds are wobbling right now 😁😁

It’s against EFL rules to own other football clubs seemingly but I’m not convinced that the 49rs have anything to do with the Rangers , it’s only been said that The Lying King is trying to sell his shares to Kavannah and no other shareholders have said a word about selling up ,methinks Keek Jackson got carried away just like his wealth off the radar about Craig Whyte story , also the 49rs CEO Judd said that there was no movement on the Rangers story and that any Soccer teams would be completely separate from there business, much ado about nothing 

[EVHearts]

1 hour ago, buzzbomb1958 said:

It’s against EFL rules to own other football clubs seemingly but I’m not convinced that the 49rs have anything to do with the Rangers , it’s only been said that The Lying King is trying to sell his shares to Kavannah and no other shareholders have said a word about selling up ,methinks Keek Jackson got carried away just like his wealth off the radar about Craig Whyte story , also the 49rs CEO Judd said that there was no movement on the Rangers story and that any Soccer teams would be completely separate from there business, much ado about nothing 

Glorious if Jackson has shot his bolt again

[buzzbomb1958]

34 minutes ago, EVHearts said:

Glorious if Jackson has shot his bolt again

He’s the typical example of journalism today seemingly makes his own headlines up and tries to make everyone think he’s actually in the know when he’s actually a dimwit who hopes his lies will become fact

[NaturalOrder74]

Just want to join in the pile on here 

 

seems like they are living in the fantasy that ‘these players aren’t good enough for rangers’ as they are all used to EBT’s and having player they couldn’t afford 

 

Barry leading the charge saying the exact same things the fans are saying he’s basically just a fan in the managers job 

 

think this is only gonna lead to history repeating its self they are gonna overstretch their budget and go bust again 100% 

[Star Lizard]

Is this big April Fool scam still going 😂

[Star Lizard]

3 minutes ago, NaturalOrder74 said:

Just want to join in the pile on here 

 

seems like they are living in the fantasy that ‘these players aren’t good enough for rangers’ as they are all used to EBT’s and having player they couldn’t afford 

 

Barry leading the charge saying the exact same things the fans are saying he’s basically just a fan in the managers job 

 

think this is only gonna lead to history repeating its self they are gonna overstretch their budget and go bust again 100% 

This is exactly it , the EBT years gave them delusions that they simply will never live up to now  

[Bill Sikes]

25 minutes ago, NaturalOrder74 said:

Just want to join in the pile on here 

 

seems like they are living in the fantasy that ‘these players aren’t good enough for rangers’ as they are all used to EBT’s and having player they couldn’t afford 

 

Barry leading the charge saying the exact same things the fans are saying he’s basically just a fan in the managers job 

 

think this is only gonna lead to history repeating its self they are gonna overstretch their budget and go bust again 100% 

 

Thats what happens when your support base predominantly only really care about beating 1 other team. 

 

Its a truly bizarre mindset only embraced by supporters of 4 Scottish clubs. 

Go bust, as long as they beat their neighbours, bonkers imo but it doesn't show any sign of change.

[Always the Hearts]

1 hour ago, NaturalOrder74 said:

Just want to join in the pile on here 

 

seems like they are living in the fantasy that ‘these players aren’t good enough for rangers’ as they are all used to EBT’s and having player they couldn’t afford 

 

Barry leading the charge saying the exact same things the fans are saying he’s basically just a fan in the managers job 

 

think this is only gonna lead to history repeating its self they are gonna overstretch their budget and go bust again 100% 

We've been hearing they're going bust for years, and it's not happened. They're also just about to rake in even more millions from their tie v Bilbao.

[Star Lizard]

Just now, Always the Hearts said:

We've been hearing they're going bust for years, and it's not happened. They're also just about to rake in even more millions from their tie v Bilbao.

 

I agree that the going bust stuff is probably premature , but come on ? They are getting by on very fine margins and doing ( grudgingly ) admirably well by raking in cash from the secondary competition in Europe . They are a total state financially though , and the 49ers stuff is seriously dubious imo 

[Always the Hearts]

9 minutes ago, Star Lizard said:

 

I agree that the going bust stuff is probably premature , but come on ? They are getting by on very fine margins and doing ( grudgingly ) admirably well by raking in cash from the secondary competition in Europe . They are a total state financially though , and the 49ers stuff is seriously dubious imo 

I wouldn't get my hopes up about their imminent demise. These potential new owners have serious money, and they'll make millions from Europe this season. But, as you rightly say, this takeover does seem to be dragging on a little. 

Edited April 6 by Always the Hearts

[Star Lizard]

1 minute ago, Always the Hearts said:

potential new owners

All just my own hunch , but I suspect “ potential “ is doing some Herculean lifting there  

[Craiglockhart No.9]

Technically they have gone bust... If your losing money (millions) year in year out with only the goodwill of your directors pumping in cash to keep things afloat. 

I'd call that gone bust.

[Always the Hearts]

Just now, Craiglockhart No.9 said:

Technically they have gone bust... If your losing money (millions) year in year out with only the goodwill of your directors pumping in cash to keep things afloat. 

I'd call that gone bust.

In that case, there's a lot of clubs gone bust. We've also benefitted from friendly loans and donations. 

[buzzbomb1958]

56 minutes ago, Craiglockhart No.9 said:

Technically they have gone bust... If your losing money (millions) year in year out with only the goodwill of your directors pumping in cash to keep things afloat. 

I'd call that gone bust.

Yep trading while insolvent have been for years