JudyJudyJudy Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 9 hours ago, Victorian said: Was he confident of scoring it? That is the key question. If you think he was confident then he was entirely right to take both the responsibility and the penalty. If he was not then he had and has no duty or right to take the penalty. It follows from not being confident that someone else will more likely be more confident, and more likely to score. He should appoint someone else. Not say "who else wants it?", go and point to someone and tell them they'll stick it away. Not being confident and supposedly taking the responsibility is not a thing. It's taking the opportunity for your own good. Good posting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 I suppose there’s a dilemma in this . Remember that period when he was shit at penalties ? Think it was about 8 he had missed ( or I might be mis remembering) but I suppose the only way to stop the rut is to take a penalty . ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanF86 Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 yes, i think he purposefully wanted to miss the penalty to make himself look even worse than he was before and to sabotage any future income from his chosen profession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 5 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: I suppose there’s a dilemma in this . Remember that period when he was shit at penalties ? Think it was about 8 he had missed ( or I might be mis remembering) but I suppose the only way to stop the rut is to take a penalty . ? He's an odd one. He scored about 12 on the trot and looked like a really good taker. Then he missed 3 or 4 on the trot. Similar to his overall scoring. Rattling them in and then suddenly falls off a cliff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 Just now, Victorian said: He's an odd one. He scored about 12 on the trot and looked like a really good taker. Then he missed 3 or 4 on the trot. Similar to his overall scoring. Rattling them in and then suddenly falls off a cliff. I know . 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schevchenko Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 Absolutely not however you could see he had the fear so probably shouldn't have taken it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 9 hours ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: he’s obviously not as confident as usual but probably felt he would score probably felt it was his responsibility I didn’t feel confident on his behalf and hoped spittal would take it had grant been on the pitch he might have grabbed the ball and shanks probably wouldn’t have wrestled it off him had he scored and it somehow opened the floodgates to him scoring again it would have been the right decision dave McPherson missed the first penalty against airdrie in the semi we lost - the media was full of that’s very noble of McPherson as the captain trying to lead by example but he should have never ever taken the first penalty blah blah blah blah criticise criticise etc completely ignorant to the fact that he had taken the first penalty and scored previously in a quarter final against celtic where as it turned out was just about the only player to score and our expected scorers like robbo missed there were major reasons for shanks to take the penalty and major reasons for him not to The fact he’s missed the last 5 or something was enough to see he was never scoring that. He missed and that’s all that matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 I heard one older gent absolutely adamant he missed it on purpose, I have never heard anything so stupid in my life. My memories of Shankland at Hearts I choose are goals v Hibs, at Parkhead, Ibrox and all the others. Fans turning on him, and the word I’ve used on here to describe our arsehole fans - SCUM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The new West End Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 10 minutes ago, Armageddon said: I heard one older gent absolutely adamant he missed it on purpose, I have never heard anything so stupid in my life. My memories of Shankland at Hearts I choose are goals v Hibs, at Parkhead, Ibrox and all the others. Fans turning on him, and the word I’ve used on here to describe our arsehole fans - SCUM! The op is happy .. he has got the reaction he wanted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry hippo Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 3 hours ago, Batistuta87 said: Goalie was off his line. Should have been re-taken. Probably would have missed that as well though. Not a retake unless it's saved or the encroachment clearly impacts the taker which I think more means the the keeper did something abnormal like charged at the penalty taker. Correct decision for no re-take IMO. Does make the miss even more disappointing because we effectively had 2 attempts at the penalty as long as he hit the target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 2 hours ago, Absolute Scenes said: The fact he’s missed the last 5 or something was enough to see he was never scoring that. He missed and that’s all that matters. yup critchelys fault then - should have checked his past record or asked you and nominated another penalty taker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted November 29, 2024 Author Share Posted November 29, 2024 2 hours ago, The new West End said: The op is happy .. he has got the reaction he wanted The OP is far from happy, of that you can be sure. I basically admitted, later on in the evening, that my post was a rash and unthought out one, and that I regretted it once my anger had subsided. I am not in the habit of posting for reaction, and would appreciate it if you would refrain from implying such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted November 29, 2024 Author Share Posted November 29, 2024 4 hours ago, Victorian said: He's an odd one. He scored about 12 on the trot and looked like a really good taker. Then he missed 3 or 4 on the trot. Similar to his overall scoring. Rattling them in and then suddenly falls off a cliff. I agree with this post, Vic, but still maintain that it was, to put it mildly, a very strange change in his usual penalty taking style last night, especially in view of the importance of the kick. Our progression in the competition and it's subsequent monetary value were both at stake. Ultimately though, Shankland should not have taken the penalty in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 1 minute ago, Morgan said: I agree with this post, Vic, but still maintain that it was, to put it mildly, a very strange change in his usual penalty taking style last night, especially in view of the importance of the kick. Our progression in the competition and it's subsequent monetary value were both at stake. Ultimately though, Shankland should not have taken the penalty in the first place. With hindsight I don’t agree he shouldn’t have taken it. He desperately needed a goal and it could have kicked started his season. I’m sure he would have fancied his chances, I’ve no idea why he didn’t blast it down the middle though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 Definitely didn't miss it on purpose but taking it was out of order imo. I've really defended him and felt people should cut him some slack. That's exhausted now, last night was ridiculous and his form now is just too poor to excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 2 minutes ago, Morgan said: I agree with this post, Vic, but still maintain that it was, to put it mildly, a very strange change in his usual penalty taking style last night, especially in view of the importance of the kick. Our progression in the competition and it's subsequent monetary value were both at stake. Ultimately though, Shankland should not have taken the penalty in the first place. Mentioned the same last night. Tried to lash it into the roof or top bin. To his credit he went to the side less likely to balloon it over. Not for me though. If unsure, trust your process and technique and stick to your normal type of take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake Persona Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 15 hours ago, Thomaso said: He should have got on his knees and apologised! This. He appears to be acting bigger than the club. And some supporters are encouraging it/defending it. Bizarre to me, this whole thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake Persona Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 16 minutes ago, Morgan said: The OP is far from happy, of that you can be sure. I basically admitted, later on in the evening, that my post was a rash and unthought out one, and that I regretted it once my anger had subsided. I am not in the habit of posting for reaction, and would appreciate it if you would refrain from implying such. Nothing wrong with this thread. A LOT of us have considered this, without wanting believe in it. Never apologise for expressing your thoughts. How dare that poster call other Hearts fans "SCUM" Take yer pus for a shite and give your head a shake, Armageddon. The reason many fans are wondering if he's doing this on purpose is because it's almost literally the only thing that makes SENSE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south morocco Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 Should he take one on Sunday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted November 29, 2024 Author Share Posted November 29, 2024 4 minutes ago, south morocco said: Should he take one on Sunday? I don't think he should even start on Sunday, but assuming he does, then yes, he should still be our penalty taker, if we get one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyK82 Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 1 minute ago, Morgan said: I don't think he should even start on Sunday, but assuming he does, then yes, he should still be our penalty taker, if we get one. He's missed 4 out of 7. He shouldn't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 3 hours ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: yup critchelys fault then - should have checked his past record or asked you and nominated another penalty taker Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 59 minutes ago, Morgan said: I don't think he should even start on Sunday, but assuming he does, then yes, he should still be our penalty taker, if we get one. No he absolutely shouldn’t be anywhere near penalties again. That ship has sailed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGorgieMaroon Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 20 hours ago, Morgan said: The computer says.... Perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckies1874 Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 1 hour ago, Taffin said: Definitely didn't miss it on purpose but taking it was out of order imo. I've really defended him and felt people should cut him some slack. That's exhausted now, last night was ridiculous and his form now is just too poor to excuse. Problem with that is, one thing is certain, if he didn’t take it and someone else missed, the haters would have been all over him for not having the balls, abdicating responsibility etc etc. He wanted it, he knew it was a big moment. He just messed up. Far far better players than Shankland have missed far more important penalties. Such is life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted November 29, 2024 Author Share Posted November 29, 2024 1 hour ago, TheGorgieMaroon said: Too late! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 1 hour ago, Luckies1874 said: Problem with that is, one thing is certain, if he didn’t take it and someone else missed, the haters would have been all over him for not having the balls, abdicating responsibility etc etc. He wanted it, he knew it was a big moment. He just messed up. Far far better players than Shankland have missed far more important penalties. Such is life. But it’s not just about that shocker of a penalty is it? 19 games with one goal and game after game missing chance after chance. Add to that his surly demeanour, running off down the tunnel AGAIN instead of acknowledging the fans with his team mates, and making it clear he wants to leave Hearts have turned the fans against him I’m afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 5 hours ago, The new West End said: The op is happy .. he has got the reaction he wanted This 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 3 hours ago, Morgan said: I agree with this post, Vic, but still maintain that it was, to put it mildly, a very strange change in his usual penalty taking style last night, especially in view of the importance of the kick. Our progression in the competition and it's subsequent monetary value were both at stake. Ultimately though, Shankland should not have taken the penalty in the first place. And yet you’re telling us if he plays on Sunday he should take the penalty if we get one! 🥴 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmorewasgash Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 I did wonder if he did miss on purpose, I did jokingly say that yesterday, as everyone probably knew he would miss when he stepped up, however I would doubt it. Obviously, lost his mojo confidence shot, knows hes leaving anyway and his heads been in clouds all season putting pressure on himself. For his own sake he needs a rest. Critchley has to try something else but very few options up top. Boyce whose finished, young kid wilson, musa who could be good or could be useless and grinning vargas who wants to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmorewasgash Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 Whats really sad is he could have gone down as Hearts legend but thanks to a greedy agent whose tried to peddle him to sevco for the last year he now won't. Will sevco go for him if hes cheap to sit on bench yep probably but he won't last long there. He ll be punted quickly at sevco probably end up back at dundee utd or some lower league english club. Scottish players really are stupid do they never learn that sevco just want them to weaken opposition. Look at that Hastie young prospect at Mwell goes to Orcs now at Ayr utd. So many players ruined going to sevco. Hes now getting on in age, hes not quickest and if he misses chances like he does at us he won't last long at Ibrox. If he thinks our fans are idiots wait till he goes to sevco if they are even interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted November 29, 2024 Author Share Posted November 29, 2024 23 minutes ago, Thomaso said: And yet you’re telling us if he plays on Sunday he should take the penalty if we get one! 🥴 Yes, that’s correct. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted November 29, 2024 Author Share Posted November 29, 2024 26 minutes ago, Thomaso said: This 👍 Wrong. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckies1874 Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 43 minutes ago, Thomaso said: But it’s not just about that shocker of a penalty is it? 19 games with one goal and game after game missing chance after chance. Add to that his surly demeanour, running off down the tunnel AGAIN instead of acknowledging the fans with his team mates, and making it clear he wants to leave Hearts have turned the fans against him I’m afraid. I'm certainly no Shankland apologist, indeed I would previously have been tagged as someone who was not seen as fond enough of our goalscoring front man. That was because whilst he was scoring left and right for us I simply couldn't get on board with the idea he was destined for great things, at a higher level. Some seriously over egged his actual abilities and his real world valuation. Of course the reality is somewhere, as it always has been, in between. He had two sensational seasons in an other wise extremely lukewarm career. He's never been good enough for either Old Firm side and he wouldn't get a game for many if any Championship sides in England, even at his peak. Evidence of that: a total and utter lack of interest for him last summer when they could have got him for relative sweeties given the money that all have. Just as some of the takes were well over the top during his red hot spell I believe some of the takes now are equally crazy. The fact remains we are going to need to continue to use him because the squad is so poorly constructed and devoid of any quality up front and if and when he snaps out of this he's likely to go on a run of goals unlike anyone else we have. So we'll see, things can change very quickly in football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 37 minutes ago, Luckies1874 said: I'm certainly no Shankland apologist, indeed I would previously have been tagged as someone who was not seen as fond enough of our goalscoring front man. That was because whilst he was scoring left and right for us I simply couldn't get on board with the idea he was destined for great things, at a higher level. Some seriously over egged his actual abilities and his real world valuation. Of course the reality is somewhere, as it always has been, in between. He had two sensational seasons in an other wise extremely lukewarm career. He's never been good enough for either Old Firm side and he wouldn't get a game for many if any Championship sides in England, even at his peak. Evidence of that: a total and utter lack of interest for him last summer when they could have got him for relative sweeties given the money that all have. Just as some of the takes were well over the top during his red hot spell I believe some of the takes now are equally crazy. The fact remains we are going to need to continue to use him because the squad is so poorly constructed and devoid of any quality up front and if and when he snaps out of this he's likely to go on a run of goals unlike anyone else we have. So we'll see, things can change very quickly in football. Can he snap out of it on Sunday PLEASE!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Vallance Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 9 hours ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: yup critchelys fault then - should have checked his past record or asked you and nominated another penalty taker Is there not an analytic to calculate who should take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted November 30, 2024 Share Posted November 30, 2024 2 hours ago, Fort Vallance said: Is there not an analytic to calculate who should take it. yes there will be - remember malaury Martin was a set piece expert - the man who was going to turn 1 point into 3 🤣☹️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craiglockhart No.9 Posted November 30, 2024 Share Posted November 30, 2024 Everybody, even Lawrence knew he would miss that penalty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Idle Talk Posted November 30, 2024 Share Posted November 30, 2024 On 28/11/2024 at 19:47, Morgan said: The computer says.... Perhaps. Don’t be ****ing stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch41 Posted November 30, 2024 Share Posted November 30, 2024 On 28/11/2024 at 22:20, 151 said: He is literally playing for a job next year, whether that is with us or somewhere else. At this moment he will find himself somewhere alot worse than Hearts with zero chance of European football (little chance of that next year at us aswell right enough). It would be close to insanity to miss on purpose. He wants out in January, just ask his agent who is at it behind the scenes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch41 Posted November 30, 2024 Share Posted November 30, 2024 Except for the Aberdeen (he’s suspended) Penrice should take the next penalty. Believe me his left foot will never let us down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted November 30, 2024 Share Posted November 30, 2024 11 hours ago, south morocco said: Should he take one on Sunday? From the bench? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted November 30, 2024 Share Posted November 30, 2024 7 hours ago, Luckies1874 said: I'm certainly no Shankland apologist, indeed I would previously have been tagged as someone who was not seen as fond enough of our goalscoring front man. That was because whilst he was scoring left and right for us I simply couldn't get on board with the idea he was destined for great things, at a higher level. Some seriously over egged his actual abilities and his real world valuation. Of course the reality is somewhere, as it always has been, in between. He had two sensational seasons in an other wise extremely lukewarm career. He's never been good enough for either Old Firm side and he wouldn't get a game for many if any Championship sides in England, even at his peak. Evidence of that: a total and utter lack of interest for him last summer when they could have got him for relative sweeties given the money that all have. Just as some of the takes were well over the top during his red hot spell I believe some of the takes now are equally crazy. The fact remains we are going to need to continue to use him because the squad is so poorly constructed and devoid of any quality up front and if and when he snaps out of this he's likely to go on a run of goals unlike anyone else we have. So we'll see, things can change very quickly in football. Really can’t see him snapping out of it, he didn’t after the goal against Ross County. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacerjoe Posted November 30, 2024 Share Posted November 30, 2024 14 hours ago, Morgan said: I agree with this post, Vic, but still maintain that it was, to put it mildly, a very strange change in his usual penalty taking style last night, especially in view of the importance of the kick. If you had gone from scoring almost a goal a game for two years, to scoring one in twenty, would you not change something? What's the old Einstein phrase, again? And even if it wasn't a premeditated change, his head would naturally have been full of doubts, which could throw him off in the moment. Plenty of better football players than Shankland have skied penalties under pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGorgieMaroon Posted November 30, 2024 Share Posted November 30, 2024 12 hours ago, Morgan said: Too late! At least you've apologised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Sikes Posted November 30, 2024 Share Posted November 30, 2024 He clearly missed on purpose, that also goes a long way to explaining why he generally doesn't find himself going anywhere near the box during the game to win any more penalties. 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Religion Posted November 30, 2024 Share Posted November 30, 2024 3 hours ago, mitch41 said: Except for the Aberdeen (he’s suspended) Penrice should take the next penalty. Believe me his left foot will never let us down. All players miss penalties Mitch. It’s not an exact science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted November 30, 2024 Share Posted November 30, 2024 The commentator said that was our first penalty of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FERRY HEARTS Posted November 30, 2024 Share Posted November 30, 2024 On 28/11/2024 at 21:20, Des Lynam said: Scores for fun last two seasons but is struggling now and the wanks in our support are turning on him. Shameful. Another good post 👏👏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain ferguson Posted November 30, 2024 Share Posted November 30, 2024 20 hours ago, Armageddon said: I heard one older gent absolutely adamant he missed it on purpose, I have never heard anything so stupid in my life. My memories of Shankland at Hearts I choose are goals v Hibs, at Parkhead, Ibrox and all the others. Fans turning on him, and the word I’ve used on here to describe our arsehole fans - SCUM! We wouldn’t be in Europe if it was not for his goals from last season. He has had a tremendous 2 years with us but obviously he is struggling in a big way this season. Looks like a golfer with the yips in front of goal. Have seen him over the past months practicing on his own after training. He obviously wants to turn around his form and it could be something bigger than football impacting on him. No idea but he does not deserve the abuse from some of our so called fans who seem to rate every player based on their last few games. I would take him out of the team of his and the teams good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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