***Official St Johnstone v Heart of Midlothian Match Thread***

[wavydavy]

3 minutes ago, Jambo Buckets said:

New manager just in and it's been a mixed bag so far, but the fans will be right behind the team. Hopefully we start climbing up the table today 

 

Sorry for the pessimism but you missed out the bit where we go crashing back down again after the following three games after today. Come on Hearts prove us doubters wrong.

[wavydavy]

53 minutes ago, Graham Thomson said:

God help us if we are hanging all our hopes on Benni playing, the guy breaks a nail and is out for a fortnight. 

Quite literally only plays when he wants. 

Yet people still adore him 😲

 

 

Listen Beni is by far one of our best players who gives 100% in every game he plays. Would you rather have someone like Jorge Grant instead?

 

Beni breaks down other teams moves and if allowed can venture forward and be creative. We are hardly blessed with many options in central midfield and I would play Beni ahead of anyone else we currently have even if he is not fully fit.

 

Tell me what you think of Mackay, Grant, Oda etc in comparison to Beni ?

[wavydavy]

10 hours ago, feedthefox said:

Please start Grant ahead of Devlin.

 

Add to that please don't even bring him on as a sub.

[BigStein]

Will Salazar slither in to the bench this week

[Marvin]

We need to win this. Drawing is not an option. However I think it will end up 0-0.

[Lambert Simnel]

34 minutes ago, Berrassobad said:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/heart-of-midlothian-fc/vertragsende/verein/43

That's useful for whose contract is up at the end of the season - thanks.

 

The "market values", however, are laughable.  Boyce is worth as much as Gerald Taylor?  And Boyce is worth more than Wilson?  Zander is worth more than Taylor, Wilson and CG pout together?

Edited November 2, 2024 by Lambert Simnel
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[Gow Maroon]

I personally  think they're is a split dressing room. From what's been said if true Shankland,Clark,Grant and Kent wanted to leave in the summer. There are probably others as well. If this is the case,get them out the dressing room all together. They don't want to play for Hearts,then let them train on their own. We need players who want to be at Tynecastle,not self-centred prima Donna's. I hope Critchley has the balls to put them in there place

Edited November 2, 2024 by Gow Maroon
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[RustyRightPeg]

1 hour ago, Graham Thomson said:

God help us if we are hanging all our hopes on Benni playing, the guy breaks a nail and is out for a fortnight. 

Quite literally only plays when he wants. 

Yet people still adore him 😲

 

People adore him because he’s the best player at the club. 

[Jambo Buckets]

14 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

Sorry for the pessimism but you missed out the bit where we go crashing back down again after the following three games after today. Come on Hearts prove us doubters wrong.

Well hopefully you aren't proved right but that's football. Ups and downs. 

[Graham Thomson]

9 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

Listen Beni is by far one of our best players who gives 100% in every game he plays. Would you rather have someone like Jorge Grant instead?

 

Beni breaks down other teams moves and if allowed can venture forward and be creative. We are hardly blessed with many options in central midfield and I would play Beni ahead of anyone else we currently have even if he is not fully fit.

 

Tell me what you think of Mackay, Grant, Oda etc in comparison to Beni ?

The guy literally picks and chooses what games he plays! It's not about how effective he is it's about does he fancy playing today. 

[Graham Thomson]

2 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said:

People adore him because he’s the best player at the club. 

When he fancies turning up 😳 if he hasn't got a cold or toothache.

[Graham Thomson]

37 minutes ago, 4marsbars said:

 

Just look up how many games he's actually played since returning from that long-term injury.

 

We adore him because he's a great footballer, who improves our performances every time.

 

Also provide some evidence that he's missed games because of trivial injuries. Sorry, you can't. Please stop making things up.

It's common knowledge amongst the players, you don't have to dig too deep.

 

[RustyRightPeg]

5 minutes ago, Graham Thomson said:

When he fancies turning up 😳 if he hasn't got a cold or toothache.

Grow up. 

[BigStein]

11 minutes ago, Gow Maroon said:

I personally  think they're is a split dressing room. From what's been said if true Shankland,Clark,Grant and Kent wanted to leave in the summer. There are probably others as well. If this is the case,get them out the dressing room all together. They don't want to play for Hearts,then let them train on their own. We need players who want to be at Tynecastle,not self-centred prima Donna's. I hope Critchley has the balls to put them in there place

Honestly I reckon if Grant wanted to leave he would have been allowed to

[Graham Thomson]

1 minute ago, RustyRightPeg said:

Grow up. 

The truth hurts. 

Benni is very well paid and we should expect more from him than he is prepared to give, some players in the Squad with half his ability but twice the dedication.

[Ricardo Quaresma]

1 hour ago, Graham Thomson said:

God help us if we are hanging all our hopes on Benni playing, the guy breaks a nail and is out for a fortnight. 

Quite literally only plays when he wants. 

Yet people still adore him 😲

 

Come on man, if Beni does indeed keep getting injuries now and then, then we should stick by him; he contributed very heavily to European Qualification twice for Group Stages

 

Also got injured here badly in the first place; we'll still be happy to keep him for a while yet; it's great watching him do his thing on the pitch and it's immensely obvious that the other players are on a downer if he doesn't play

[Bill Sikes]

Back to basics for me.

 

3 centre halfs protected by 2 in midfield and dont let the ball anywhere near the defence if we get under any pressure, set out not to concede and forget about the desperation to keep the ball. We need points currently not performance.

[Hungry hippo]

9 minutes ago, Graham Thomson said:

The truth hurts. 

Benni is very well paid and we should expect more from him than he is prepared to give, some players in the Squad with half his ability but twice the dedication.

 

He wanted to play in the derby but medical staff sent him home.

[escobri]

Just win Hearts, pretty pretty please 

[If carlsberg did rivals...]

St J's just shy of 3/1 at home to beat a team with no fight, backbone or clue! That said 'mon the hearts!

[151]

On 31/10/2024 at 13:16, AndyNic said:

 

Oyegoke and Vargas would be nowhere near it for me.

 

Also dropping Penrice and Forrest would be bizarre as they both have been playing well.

 

I do like your midfield and wingers though. Protect the defence at all costs with the 3 holding and just get the ball wide. Shanks in the box though as he has to score soon.

 

Im aware this won't be how we set up but hey.

[DixieNormous]

21 minutes ago, Lambert Simnel said:

That's useful for whose contract is up at the end of the season - thanks.

 

The "market values", however, are laughable.  Boyce is worth as much as Gerald Taylor?  And Boyce is worth more than Wilson?  Zander is worth more than Taylor, Wilson and CG pout together?

OMG When you read what you have written starting from the word Boyce - you could almost put it to the old song........

Ayyayayay Boyce is worth as much as Taylor

Zander is worth more than Wilson

And Craig Gordon put together

 

Ayyayayay cruickie is better than Yashin 

Drew Busby is better than Eusebio 

the hibees are in for a thrashing

[RustyRightPeg]

14 minutes ago, Graham Thomson said:

The truth hurts. 

Benni is very well paid and we should expect more from him than he is prepared to give, some players in the Squad with half his ability but twice the dedication.

Aye no bother. 

[Ricardo Quaresma]

38 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

Sorry for the pessimism but you missed out the bit where we go crashing back down again after the following three games after today. Come on Hearts prove us doubters wrong.

 

One game at a time mate 👍

 

33 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

Listen Beni is by far one of our best players who gives 100% in every game he plays. Would you rather have someone like Jorge Grant instead?

 

Beni breaks down other teams moves and if allowed can venture forward and be creative. We are hardly blessed with many options in central midfield and I would play Beni ahead of anyone else we currently have even if he is not fully fit.

 

Tell me what you think of Mackay, Grant, Oda etc in comparison to Beni ?

 

Well, Oda needs proper communication and I don't think he's had any for a while, plus we sold his pal's contract so he's totally on his own now; he's injured, too, so we're going to have to leave it for now

[Ricardo Quaresma]

30 minutes ago, Gow Maroon said:

I personally  think they're is a split dressing room. From what's been said if true Shankland,Clark,Grant and Kent wanted to leave in the summer. There are probably others as well. If this is the case,get them out the dressing room all together. They don't want to play for Hearts,then let them train on their own. We need players who want to be at Tynecastle,not self-centred prima Donna's. I hope Critchley has the balls to put them in there place

 

Why bother posting a bunch of rumours and hearsay?

 

It's been posted already too

[DixieNormous]

4 minutes ago, If carlsberg did rivals... said:

St J's just shy of 3/1 at home to beat a team with no fight, backbone or clue! That said 'mon the hearts!

Dont ! I lumped on the 3/1 the sheep v hun (hope its not a sign)

No my friend today is the Shankland show - and all of JKB comes on saying "told you hed come good" (famous last words)

[Lambert Simnel]

7 minutes ago, Berrassobad said:

OMG When you read what you have written starting from the word Boyce - you could almost put it to the old song........

Ayyayayay Boyce is worth as much as Taylor

Zander is worth more than Wilson

And Craig Gordon put together

 

Ayyayayay cruickie is better than Yashin 

Drew Busby is better than Eusebio 

the hibees are in for a thrashing

 

Excellent!  Suspect you're showing your age there a bit!  Mind you, I've heard of Cruickshank, Yashin and Busby - but who's this Eusebio fellow?  Could he fill in at CB for us?

[Ricardo Quaresma]

4 hours ago, jamboozy said:

Ah, you both know me so well 

 

Have a happy trip mate

[Ricardo Quaresma]

On 31/10/2024 at 13:16, AndyNic said:

 

Is that Kenny's Dad?

[DixieNormous]

11 minutes ago, If carlsberg did rivals... said:

St J's just shy of 3/1 at home to beat a team with no fight, backbone or clue! That said 'mon the hearts!

Conversely -  in the first/antime goalscorer betting on paddypower for any Hearts game......... the second fav is always.................................................................................Liam Boyce !

[DixieNormous]

3 minutes ago, Lambert Simnel said:

 

Excellent!  Suspect you're showing your age there a bit!  Mind you, I've heard of Cruickshank, Yashin and Busby - but who's this Eusebio fellow?  Could he fill in at CB for us?

Under SN definitely

[Penrices left boot]

2 hours ago, skacel103 said:

I'm lost where they told they were getting punted? 

 

They haven't been offered a contract yet, therefore atm not Hearts next season.

 

Game time uis also a big clue in terms if where the new manager sees you.

 

Don't be lost, it's not good a mix.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[kingantti1874]

17 minutes ago, 151 said:

 

Oyegoke and Vargas would be nowhere near it for me.

 

Also dropping Penrice and Forrest would be bizarre as they both have been playing well.

 

I do like your midfield and wingers though. Protect the defence at all costs with the 3 holding and just get the ball wide. Shanks in the box though as he has to score soon.

 

Im aware this won't be how we set up but hey.

Oyegoke was superb against st Mirren and Omonoia. 

[gnasher75]

Travelling support | St Johnstone Football Club (perthstjohnstonefc.co.uk)

 

Still loads of tickets available.  Stop moaning and get yourself to Perth to support the team!

 

Yeah OK, it's my first away game of the season.

[Ricardo Quaresma]

On 31/10/2024 at 15:43, tartofmidlothian said:

Three DMs against St Johnstone? These are tough times.

 

There's no way I'd leave out Forrest, he was one of our best last night.

 

#18 & #14 will carry it forward

 

I like it, they don't score they don't win, then we just need to find a goal or more...

 

Concerned maybe about who's going to shepherd uche; Kent needs a rest, Rowles is 1 game behind him on that, so he should be rested after that, so Halks on uche

 

Starting with 3 CBs would also ensure uche is shackled, even if he starts on the bench, maybe change to 4 when he comes on, shuffle things...

 

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Edited November 2, 2024 by Ricardo Quaresma

[Rods]

Today is harsh reality day.

 

By five o clock a lot of people will be seeing us as prime relegation candidates. 
 

2-0 St Johnstone 

[Ricardo Quaresma]

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Edited November 2, 2024 by Ricardo Quaresma
Quoted my post instead of edit, arse :)

[wavydavy]

51 minutes ago, Graham Thomson said:

The guy literally picks and chooses what games he plays! It's not about how effective he is it's about does he fancy playing today. 

 

Don't talk utter rubbish. I noticed you never answered my questions?

[RustyRightPeg]

9 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

Oyegoke was superb against st Mirren and Omonoia. 

But remember he didn’t have his best game during the week and that’s how short people’s memories are !

[RustyRightPeg]

52 minutes ago, Graham Thomson said:

The guy literally picks and chooses what games he plays! It's not about how effective he is it's about does he fancy playing today. 

Load of rubbish. A complete load of it. 

[Ricardo Quaresma]

Just now, RustyRightPeg said:

But remember he didn’t have his best game during the week and that’s how short people’s memories are !

 

I said he'd be good soon enough but you know what the comodo dragons on here are like

[Graham Thomson]

1 minute ago, wavydavy said:

 

Don't talk utter rubbish. I noticed you never answered my questions?

I'm sorry mate I don't live my life on here. 

[feej]

I watched them v Dundee last week and they were decent. The two lads up front are full of trickery and never stop running. Our defenders need to be at it today or we could find ourselves on the end of another defeat.

 

I think a win is a must today, both the teams above have a game in hand, we can't afford to become detached at the bottom. The heads are already down and looking at our personel I don't think we have the type of players up for  a scrap. I was so disappointed watching the 2nd half of the game on wednesday at how clueless we were in try to claw that goal back.

Edited November 2, 2024 by feej

[wavydavy]

4 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said:

But remember he didn’t have his best game during the week and that’s how short people’s memories are !

 

I noticed Kent having a go at him only minutes after he came on midweek which I though was a bit off from an experienced player. 

[Penrices left boot]

Getting beat with a team that has Uche and Kirk as option's up front would really highlight how shite recruitment has been.

 

Get beat today and I really think we'd be relying on hibs to out shite us to stay up.

 

Beat today and the little positivity built up will be down the sink, no one will be enjoying playing or watching for us and the games up the pole.

 

 

[wavydavy]

3 minutes ago, feej said:

I watched them v Dundee last week and they were decent. The two lads up front are full of trickery and never stop running. Our defenders need to be at it today or we could find ourselves on the end of another defeat.

 

I think a win is a must today, both the teams above have a game in hand, we can't afford to become detached at the bottom. The heads are already down and looking at our personel I don't think we have the type of players up for scrap. I was so disappointed watching the 2nd half of the game on wednesday at how clueless we were in try to claw that goal back.

 

Spot on and that is the big concern. We used to have the reputation of being a "Big Physical Team" well some of them are quite big but certainly not physical as we saw for Killie's two goals.

[RudiSkacelsLeftPeg]

1 hour ago, Lambert Simnel said:

That's useful for whose contract is up at the end of the season - thanks.

 

The "market values", however, are laughable.  Boyce is worth as much as Gerald Taylor?  And Boyce is worth more than Wilson?  Zander is worth more than Taylor, Wilson and CG pout together?

Boycies value should be in the minus’s.

[RudiSkacelsLeftPeg]

12 minutes ago, Rods said:

Today is harsh reality day.

 

By five o clock a lot of people will be seeing us as prime relegation candidates. 
 

2-0 St Johnstone 

Can’t see us winning today either. Wednesday has really knocked the stuffing out of my belief. Really hope I’m wrong.

[Lovecraft]

0-4 or GTF and Critchley oot!!!!

 

 

[feej]

9 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

Spot on and that is the big concern. We used to have the reputation of being a "Big Physical Team" well some of them are quite big but certainly not physical as we saw for Killie's two goals.

Agree mate but it's not just that, again we're devoid of a leader on the park, i didn't see anyone rallying the troops or trying to impose themselves on the game. 

All i saw was some half hearted attempt at tackling, more sideways passing, players happy to pass the buck.

I really don't know what some fans see, we have some very poor players with a severe lack of football intelligence

Edited November 2, 2024 by feej