Alex Salmond dead

[Jarhead]

Clearly one of the most interesting politicians of his generation but one I fundamentally disagreed with. 
 

As for any chat about silences or applause, the sooner we all stop treating football like it’s some sort of surrogate political rally the better. 

[Lie Forrit 2 hrs 34 mins]

Alex was a top man, we got ****ed in 2014 by the English Press. Checkout who owns the daily Mail and all papers. Non of those tax evading grunts have paid n penny In tax

[Hømme]

Political heavyweight who almost made history with this country. Chased the rouble and so loses a lot of respect for that.

 

Met him once and he was extremely rude. Voted for his party looking at the bigger picture whilst he was in charge but they've lost my support these days.

 

Forever greatful for the help he gave our club though.

 

[Toxteth O'Grady]

2 hours ago, Tiro said:

Some of the comments on here are a disgrace. I did not share his political ambitions but in a democracy he had the right to express these and seek independence for the country he loved, just as others had the right to reject it. He was a committed Jambo who helped greatly in our hour of need but first and foremost he was a human being who, in his passing, deserves basic decency 

 

Well said - he spoke for what he believed in and what he thought was best for Scotland. Nobody should blame him for that whatever their beliefs.

[Lie Forrit 2 hrs 34 mins]

And, why is Lady Mone, not inprison

[Zico]

26 minutes ago, Hømme said:

Political heavyweight who almost made history with this country. Chased the rouble and so loses a lot of respect for that.

 

Met him once and he was extremely rude. Voted for his party looking at the bigger picture whilst he was in charge but they've lost my support these days.

 

Forever greatful for the help he gave our club though.

 

Pretty much sums up my views, other than the personal interaction (I never met him). Despite not always agreeing with him, he was a serious politician and they’re few and far between these days. 

[GrimUpNorth]

RIP. Obviously a hell of a politician and orator, as man he was terrible. Numerous accusations from numerous women. I always felt for his poor wife. 

 

Respect because he believed in what he thought and he was an elected politician ? The hypocrisy from some on here is astounding. Nationalism rots the brain. 

[OTT]

20 minutes ago, Bonnie Prince Charlie said:

Alex was a top man, we got ****ed in 2014 by the English Press. Checkout who owns the daily Mail and all papers. Non of those tax evading grunts have paid n penny In tax

 

Tartan Army apparently singing "One Alex Salmond" at the game today. Yet to find a video, but have saw two different tweets about it. 

 

As I understand it, 52% of those born here voted for Independence in 2014. Extending the franchise to include everyone living here was what ****ed us in terms of numbers. When you consider the starting position, its an incredble achievement regardless, and he moved the dial in a way that nobody involved with Scottish independence has or will ever be able to do. He was truly a AAA politician, did for the SNP what Shankland did for us last season.. just a shame that those that succeeded him weren't fit to lace his boots. 

 

You know that cliche sounding phrase about "Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times", I can't help but think that applies massively to the state the SNP are in. Alex and his generation of SNP politicians (Salmond, Ewing, MacDonald, Sillars, Neil etc) had to fight for every vote, and work doubly as hard as their Labour counterparts to win seats, that they as quickly lost. Yet despite that, he did the unthinkable and delivered a majority in a parliament that is designed not to do that. Moreover, he built a reputation based on competence and doing things well "deliberately" to quote George Foulkes. It was Alex Salmonds government that scrapped tuition fees, got rid of prescription charges, binned toll fees and just kept on delivering. Sturgeons lot just rode on the coat-tails of that track record and success. 

 

The hard work done by Salmond and his generation set the stage for the wipeout of Labour in 2015, that has taken them nearly a decade to recovery from. Unfortunately, the good times brought weak and ineffective leadership in Sturgeon, her appointments, style of leadership and then interference in Humza's ascent as leader (and then descent). Chance after chance was squandered to progress the Independence question, and instead of utilising the biggest asset the Independence movement has, they instead sought to set him up on nonsense charges and he spent the first half of his final decade on this earth defending his freedom, instead of fighting for his nations freedom. 

 

I will never, ever forgive that Jimmy Krankie looking freak for what she has done, both to the father of modern Scottish nationalism and to the progression of the cause itself. 

[Gundermann]

46 minutes ago, Hømme said:

Political heavyweight who almost made history with this country. Chased the rouble and so loses a lot of respect for that.

 

Met him once and he was extremely rude. Voted for his party looking at the bigger picture whilst he was in charge but they've lost my support these days.

 

Forever greatful for the help he gave our club though.

 

 

Good summary.

 

I used to admire his wit and debating skills but it seems he became a bit of a bully in power. Not to mention sleazy.

 

This though. 😄

 

[Morgan]

1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said:

She was a weegie Hibby 🤔🤷🏾‍♂️🤪. Was there any boos?

Jesus!

 

Does it matter?

[Morgan]

25 minutes ago, GrimUpNorth said:

RIP. Obviously a hell of a politician and orator, as man he was terrible. Numerous accusations from numerous women. I always felt for his poor wife. 

 

Respect because he believed in what he thought and he was an elected politician ? The hypocrisy from some on here is astounding. Nationalism rots the brain. 

Did you?  Did you really?  

 

Always?

 

Just behave and pull your monks hood up and cover your own Saintly head.

 

 

[Section Q]

One of the best politicians of his generation. Played his part in our survival. Sad news indeed.

[Thunder and Lightning]

Sad news. 

 

Also sad to see people engage in a grief off to be the most upset by this. 

 

Classy. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

33 minutes ago, OTT said:

 

Tartan Army apparently singing "One Alex Salmond" at the game today. Yet to find a video, but have saw two different tweets about it. 

 

As I understand it, 52% of those born here voted for Independence in 2014. Extending the franchise to include everyone living here was what ****ed us in terms of numbers. When you consider the starting position, its an incredble achievement regardless, and he moved the dial in a way that nobody involved with Scottish independence has or will ever be able to do. He was truly a AAA politician, did for the SNP what Shankland did for us last season.. just a shame that those that succeeded him weren't fit to lace his boots. 

 

You know that cliche sounding phrase about "Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times", I can't help but think that applies massively to the state the SNP are in. Alex and his generation of SNP politicians (Salmond, Ewing, MacDonald, Sillars, Neil etc) had to fight for every vote, and work doubly as hard as their Labour counterparts to win seats, that they as quickly lost. Yet despite that, he did the unthinkable and delivered a majority in a parliament that is designed not to do that. Moreover, he built a reputation based on competence and doing things well "deliberately" to quote George Foulkes. It was Alex Salmonds government that scrapped tuition fees, got rid of prescription charges, binned toll fees and just kept on delivering. Sturgeons lot just rode on the coat-tails of that track record and success. 

 

The hard work done by Salmond and his generation set the stage for the wipeout of Labour in 2015, that has taken them nearly a decade to recovery from. Unfortunately, the good times brought weak and ineffective leadership in Sturgeon, her appointments, style of leadership and then interference in Humza's ascent as leader (and then descent). Chance after chance was squandered to progress the Independence question, and instead of utilising the biggest asset the Independence movement has, they instead sought to set him up on nonsense charges and he spent the first half of his final decade on this earth defending his freedom, instead of fighting for his nations freedom. 

 

I will never, ever forgive that Jimmy Krankie looking freak for what she has done, both to the father of modern Scottish nationalism and to the progression of the cause itself. 

Fine posting 

[Malone]

A creep by his own admission.

 

Being a fantastic politician or a passionate nationalist does not excuse his behaviours. 

 

The women of Scotland will sleep more soundly tonight.

 

[Morgan]

1 minute ago, Malone said:

A creep by his own admission.

 

Being a fantastic politician or a passionate nationalist does not excuse his behaviours. 

 

The women of Scotland will sleep more soundly tonight.

 

You should have gone for a dramatic line to end your post on.

[GrimUpNorth]

15 minutes ago, Morgan said:

Did you?  Did you really?  

 

Always?

 

Just behave and pull your monks hood up and cover your own Saintly head.

 

 

I think any normal person with half a brain cell would feel sorry for her. Maybe not you.

[The Real Maroonblood]

3 minutes ago, Malone said:

A creep by his own admission.

 

Being a fantastic politician or a passionate nationalist does not excuse his behaviours. 

 

The women of Scotland will sleep more soundly tonight.

 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, OTT said:

 

Seems a few did 😕 

 

Can disagree with his politics, completely respect that. But the man was a Jambo that did his bit in our darkest hour. 

Probably didn’t court as much publicity about it, or find time to write a book.

[Malone]

4 minutes ago, Morgan said:

You should have gone for a dramatic line to end your post on.

Went for the happy ending instead 👍🏻

[Pasquale for King]

49 minutes ago, GrimUpNorth said:

RIP. Obviously a hell of a politician and orator, as man he was terrible. Numerous accusations from numerous women. I always felt for his poor wife. 

 

Respect because he believed in what he thought and he was an elected politician ? The hypocrisy from some on here is astounding. Nationalism rots the brain. 

Just Scottish Nationalism or is the British version ok?

[MR INCREDIBLE]

43 minutes ago, OTT said:

 

Tartan Army apparently singing "One Alex Salmond" at the game today. Yet to find a video, but have saw two different tweets about it. 

 

As I understand it, 52% of those born here voted for Independence in 2014. Extending the franchise to include everyone living here was what ****ed us in terms of numbers. When you consider the starting position, its an incredble achievement regardless, and he moved the dial in a way that nobody involved with Scottish independence has or will ever be able to do. He was truly a AAA politician, did for the SNP what Shankland did for us last season.. just a shame that those that succeeded him weren't fit to lace his boots. 

 

You know that cliche sounding phrase about "Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times", I can't help but think that applies massively to the state the SNP are in. Alex and his generation of SNP politicians (Salmond, Ewing, MacDonald, Sillars, Neil etc) had to fight for every vote, and work doubly as hard as their Labour counterparts to win seats, that they as quickly lost. Yet despite that, he did the unthinkable and delivered a majority in a parliament that is designed not to do that. Moreover, he built a reputation based on competence and doing things well "deliberately" to quote George Foulkes. It was Alex Salmonds government that scrapped tuition fees, got rid of prescription charges, binned toll fees and just kept on delivering. Sturgeons lot just rode on the coat-tails of that track record and success. 

 

The hard work done by Salmond and his generation set the stage for the wipeout of Labour in 2015, that has taken them nearly a decade to recovery from. Unfortunately, the good times brought weak and ineffective leadership in Sturgeon, her appointments, style of leadership and then interference in Humza's ascent as leader (and then descent). Chance after chance was squandered to progress the Independence question, and instead of utilising the biggest asset the Independence movement has, they instead sought to set him up on nonsense charges and he spent the first half of his final decade on this earth defending his freedom, instead of fighting for his nations freedom. 

 

I will never, ever forgive that Jimmy Krankie looking freak for what she has done, both to the father of modern Scottish nationalism and to the progression of the cause itself. 

Pish !

[OTT]

4 minutes ago, Malone said:

A creep by his own admission.

 

Being a fantastic politician or a passionate nationalist does not excuse his behaviours. 

 

The women of Scotland will sleep more soundly tonight.

 

 

Lazy tedious crap. 

 

Charges designed to create damaged goods and ruin a good mans reputation. 

 

I'm not religious, but I'm praying that David Davis uses Parliamentary Privilege to end this nonsense once and for all. 

[OTT]

Just now, MR INCREDIBLE said:

Pish !

 

No, that would be your contribution to this thread. 

 

I think you've got some crayons to go gnaw on 👍

[Pasquale for King]

27 minutes ago, Morgan said:

Jesus!

 

Does it matter?

It was at ER, her being a Hibby was the point ffs.

[Star Lizard]

I used to like the guy a lot , but let us not lose sight of the fact that he was a lech by his own admission . A very very different thing to being a rapist mind you , which is what he was accused falsely by at least one of the complainants who was stuck in by her pal for not being with him when he claimed to be . My personal thought on it are that he was a lascivious sort of guy but false accusations of rape are reprehensible 

 

What he admitted to put me off the man , and I lost a lot of respect for him as a person after that . As a politician and a Hearts supporter he did his bit however 

 

I think he deserves a clap 

[Malone]

5 minutes ago, OTT said:

 

Lazy tedious crap. 

 

Charges designed to create damaged goods and ruin a good mans reputation. 

 

I'm not religious, but I'm praying that David Davis uses Parliamentary Privilege to end this nonsense once and for all. 

How’s it crap? He admitted he was a creep.

[Malone]

5 minutes ago, Star Lizard said:

I used to like the guy a lot , but let us not lose sight of the fact that he was a lech by his own admission . A very very different thing to being a rapist mind you , which is what he was accused falsely by at least one of the complainants who was stuck in by her pal for not being with him when he claimed to be . My personal thought on it are that he was a lascivious sort of guy but false accusations of rape are reprehensible 

 

What he admitted to put me off the man , and I lost a lot of respect for him as a person after that . As a politician and a Hearts supporter he did his bit however 

 

I think he deserves a clap 

Well put. The one charge of “Not Proven” does leave some unanswered questions though.

[GrimUpNorth]

2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Just Scottish Nationalism or is the British version ok?

Both. Infact there are so many similarities between Alex Salmond and someone like Boris. Create an enemy and a grievance, create division then bang on and on about how great their country is and how all their country's problems are down to someone else. Light on actual policy. And not to mention both of their egos, which matters more than anything.

[Star Lizard]

2 minutes ago, Malone said:

Well put. The one charge of “Not Proven” does leave some unanswered questions though.

Yeah there is that I suppose . Hopefully the women who lied did not rob one honest woman of justice , but we have no choice other than to trust justice was done

 

It Was a good point someone made earlier about whether or not the case he brought will be seen through now

[portobellojambo1]

Had no time at all for any of his republican thoughts in relation to Scotland, but did respect that football wise he had a leaning towards HMFC. Condolences to his family and friends amd may he rest in peace.

[OTT]

Just now, Malone said:

How’s it crap? He admitted he was a creep.

 

Because a jury looked at the charges and rejected every single one because they are nonsense fabrications. 

 

Everyone and their dug knew it was a fit up. Christ, Dan Wootton & George Galloway are no friends of Salmond (politically) or Independence, but very much aware of the facts that Sturgeon and her cabal have managed to keep hidden from the public eye under threat of prosecution. 

 

David Davis using his position as an MP to out some of this on Salmonds behalf and the very involvement of people like John Bercow or Dame Elanor Laing in Salmonds media work demonstrate that he isn't some serial predator danger to women that you're flippantly asserting as fact. If Salmond got lucky, I absolutely assure you, nobody would touch him - nobody goes to bat for for a rapist/ abuser, especially one on the downward trajectory. But the reality is that the only ones who wanted nothing to do with him happened to have Sturgeon as a boss. 

 

I can only hope the truth finally comes out, and Nicola Sturgeon can forever be known as a traitor to the cause of Independence and backstabber to her friend and mentor that took her from a failed solicitor to the first minister of her country. The fact Alex never got to see justice done is a disgrace and there is a special place in hell for Sturgeon. 

 

 

 

[Malone]

1 minute ago, OTT said:

 

Because a jury looked at the charges and rejected every single one because they are nonsense fabrications. 

 

Everyone and their dug knew it was a fit up. Christ, Dan Wootton & George Galloway are no friends of Salmond (politically) or Independence, but very much aware of the facts that Sturgeon and her cabal have managed to keep hidden from the public eye under threat of prosecution. 

 

David Davis using his position as an MP to out some of this on Salmonds behalf and the very involvement of people like John Bercow or Dame Elanor Laing in Salmonds media work demonstrate that he isn't some serial predator danger to women that you're flippantly asserting as fact. If Salmond got lucky, I absolutely assure you, nobody would touch him - nobody goes to bat for for a rapist/ abuser, especially one on the downward trajectory. But the reality is that the only ones who wanted nothing to do with him happened to have Sturgeon as a boss. 

 

I can only hope the truth finally comes out, and Nicola Sturgeon can forever be known as a traitor to the cause of Independence and backstabber to her friend and mentor that took her from a failed solicitor to the first minister of her country. The fact Alex never got to see justice done is a disgrace and there is a special place in hell for Sturgeon. 

 

 

 

The charges and court case are a whole separate thing and not what I’m referring to. (Something about a court deciding ten women are lying and one man is telling the truth that makes me feel a bit queasy though.)

 

I’m talking about his own admitted “shortcomings”:

 

“Salmond's advocate, Gordon Jackson KC, admitted that his client had sometimes behaved badly, calling him "touchy-feely".

 

Details of inappropriate behaviour included Salmond admitting having a "sleepy cuddle" with one complainer, and what Mr Jackson called "a bit of how's your father" with another - both younger members of his staff, neither of them his wife.

 

The KC said in his closing speech that the former first minister "could certainly have been a better man".”

[lou]

11 minutes ago, OTT said:

 

Because a jury looked at the charges and rejected every single one because they are nonsense fabrications. 

 

Everyone and their dug knew it was a fit up. Christ, Dan Wootton & George Galloway are no friends of Salmond (politically) or Independence, but very much aware of the facts that Sturgeon and her cabal have managed to keep hidden from the public eye under threat of prosecution. 

 

David Davis using his position as an MP to out some of this on Salmonds behalf and the very involvement of people like John Bercow or Dame Elanor Laing in Salmonds media work demonstrate that he isn't some serial predator danger to women that you're flippantly asserting as fact. If Salmond got lucky, I absolutely assure you, nobody would touch him - nobody goes to bat for for a rapist/ abuser, especially one on the downward trajectory. But the reality is that the only ones who wanted nothing to do with him happened to have Sturgeon as a boss. 

 

I can only hope the truth finally comes out, and Nicola Sturgeon can forever be known as a traitor to the cause of Independence and backstabber to her friend and mentor that took her from a failed solicitor to the first minister of her country. The fact Alex never got to see justice done is a disgrace and there is a special place in hell for Sturgeon. 

 

 

 

If anyone thought AS was a creep, Wooton is on a whole different level

 

[Star Lizard]

Just now, lou said:

If anyone thought AS was a creep, Wooton is on a whole different level

 

Galloway as well . I know someone who witnessed this first hand . Maybe a bit of self interest in both men defending his less than savoury behaviour 

[lou]

1 minute ago, Star Lizard said:

Galloway as well . I know someone who witnessed this first hand . Maybe a bit of self interest in both men defending his less than savoury behaviour 

I worked with Galloways brother, his self proclaimed nickname was Moisty due to the effect he thought he had on women, needless to say it really wasn't the case 🤢🤢🤢

[OTT]

 

6 minutes ago, lou said:

If anyone thought AS was a creep, Wooton is on a whole different level

 

 

The point was the political orientation of those making those statements. 

[Star Lizard]

Just now, lou said:

I worked with Galloways brother, his self proclaimed nickname was Moisty due to the effect he thought he had on women, needless to say it really wasn't the case 🤢🤢🤢

The young barmaid that he interacted with in the run up to the last Scottish parliamentary election certainly never felt that way about him either 

[Shanks said no]

I’m not going to bother even reading the thread 

 

 

a jambo has passed 

 

RIP

 

weirdly I was in Kosovo today and actually wondered what if

 

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

With regard to a minute's silence or applause, surely all someone needs to do is to start a post about their mate Alex dying suddenly and can everyone applaud in the 69th minute? That's how it's done these days.

[Ulysses]

7 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

With regard to a minute's silence or applause, surely all someone needs to do is to start a post about their mate Alex dying suddenly and can everyone applaud in the 69th minute? That's how it's done these days.

 

 

 

[Pasquale for King]

49 minutes ago, GrimUpNorth said:

Both. Infact there are so many similarities between Alex Salmond and someone like Boris. Create an enemy and a grievance, create division then bang on and on about how great their country is and how all their country's problems are down to someone else. Light on actual policy. And not to mention both of their egos, which matters more than anything.

Im not a fan of either and you make good points but as a proper politician Salmond would run rings around that buffoon, even Sturgeon did.

[Pasquale for King]

45 minutes ago, portobellojambo1 said:

Had no time at all for any of his republican thoughts in relation to Scotland, but did respect that football wise he had a leaning towards HMFC. Condolences to his family and friends amd may he rest in peace.

He wasn’t a republican 

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/wintour-and-watt/2011/may/25/alexsalmond-queen

[Roxy Hearts]

RIP Alex Salmond. A Heart of Midlothian fan and the greatest politician in my life time.

[Libertarian]

I'm currently abroad and just heard this terrible news. A huge loss for Scotland. I bumped into him just outside Hampden after the 2006 cup final win. He was with his Dad both of whom were wearing their Hearts scarves, and since I had had a few drinks I shouted across to him 'Good luck at the election next year Alec.' The older Salmond looked mortified but Alec came straight over and shook my hand. Salmond was head and shoulders above any current politician not only in Scotland but across the British Isles 

[Rudi5kaceldream1ng]

He will be missed, a competent politician, masterful public speaker in a sea of utter morons. 

 

May he rest in peace. 

[If carlsberg did rivals...]

7 hours ago, GrimUpNorth said:

RIP. Obviously a hell of a politician and orator, as man he was terrible. Numerous accusations from numerous women. I always felt for his poor wife. 

 

Respect because he believed in what he thought and he was an elected politician ? The hypocrisy from some on here is astounding. Nationalism rots the brain. 

Remind me what he was convicted of again? How many times did you meet him to draw the conclusion he was a terrible man?

[AyrJambo]

8 hours ago, OTT said:

 

Tartan Army apparently singing "One Alex Salmond" at the game today. Yet to find a video, but have saw two different tweets about it. 

 

As I understand it, 52% of those born here voted for Independence in 2014. Extending the franchise to include everyone living here was what ****ed us in terms of numbers. When you consider the starting position, its an incredble achievement regardless, and he moved the dial in a way that nobody involved with Scottish independence has or will ever be able to do. He was truly a AAA politician, did for the SNP what Shankland did for us last season.. just a shame that those that succeeded him weren't fit to lace his boots. 

 

You know that cliche sounding phrase about "Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times", I can't help but think that applies massively to the state the SNP are in. Alex and his generation of SNP politicians (Salmond, Ewing, MacDonald, Sillars, Neil etc) had to fight for every vote, and work doubly as hard as their Labour counterparts to win seats, that they as quickly lost. Yet despite that, he did the unthinkable and delivered a majority in a parliament that is designed not to do that. Moreover, he built a reputation based on competence and doing things well "deliberately" to quote George Foulkes. It was Alex Salmonds government that scrapped tuition fees, got rid of prescription charges, binned toll fees and just kept on delivering. Sturgeons lot just rode on the coat-tails of that track record and success. 

 

The hard work done by Salmond and his generation set the stage for the wipeout of Labour in 2015, that has taken them nearly a decade to recovery from. Unfortunately, the good times brought weak and ineffective leadership in Sturgeon, her appointments, style of leadership and then interference in Humza's ascent as leader (and then descent). Chance after chance was squandered to progress the Independence question, and instead of utilising the biggest asset the Independence movement has, they instead sought to set him up on nonsense charges and he spent the first half of his final decade on this earth defending his freedom, instead of fighting for his nations freedom. 

 

I will never, ever forgive that Jimmy Krankie looking freak for what she has done, both to the father of modern Scottish nationalism and to the progression of the cause itself. 

 

Well said!

[Harry Potter]

12 hours ago, Tiro said:

Some of the comments on here are a disgrace. I did not share his political ambitions but in a democracy he had the right to express these and seek independence for the country he loved, just as others had the right to reject it. He was a committed Jambo who helped greatly in our hour of need but first and foremost he was a human being who, in his passing, deserves basic decency 

 

good post bud.

[New Town Loafer]

Perhaps my first genuine political inspiration, and perhaps the reason I made it into politics. An absolute titan and colossus of wit and style.

 

RIP Eck.