Hearts winter transfer window 2025 - Steinwender signs

[kingantti1874]

If you want an example of what Jamestown can do.  Viktor Gyokeres.. found by Brighton a went to Coventry, has scored a barreload for Lisbon and currently ripping up city

[DarthVodka]

8 hours ago, johnking123 said:

I'm only expecting 2 players in at the most. Guess a forward and centre back.

Exactly what I was told. Analytics thrown up a forward that is no1 target - don’t know a name but in a foreign league.

 

interestingly the system does not identify keepers 

[PapaShango]

I think January may spell the end for some that are out of contract next summer, a 6 month load might be on the cards for a few of them just to get the out the club. 

 

We desperately need another centre forward and one who is mobile as well. We really lack pace in the forward areas bar Vargas who is a bit hit and miss and can't be relied upon over the season. 

[busbyfth]

This January will be more about getting shot of players going out of contract soon as we signed far too many in the summer and our squad size/cost is a drain. (summer signed players - some were/are improvements to what we already had, granted) Maybe exRangers will offer us £4.75 to try and get Shankland five months early....its their way

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

13 hours ago, kingantti1874 said:

If you want an example of what Jamestown can do.  Viktor Gyokeres.. found by Brighton a went to Coventry, has scored a barreload for Lisbon and currently ripping up city

Interesting though Brighton let him go early. @SeagullI think had the back story

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

1 minute ago, busbyfth said:

This January will be more about getting shot of players going out of contract soon as we signed far too many in the summer and our squad size/cost is a drain. (summer signed players - some were/are improvements to what we already had, granted) Maybe exRangers will offer us £4.75 to try and get Shankland five months early....its their way

Quite a few out of contract I believe, cant imagine we are shifting them in January, maybe some will see a loan as a way of getting minutes and exposure for a new deal elsewhere in the summer time

[hmfc_liam06]

3 minutes ago, Lord Beni of Gorgie said:

Interesting though Brighton let him go early. @SeagullI think had the back story

 

I think he was literally just one that got away, it happens.

[RustyRightPeg]

Just now, hmfc_liam06 said:

 

I think he was literally just one that got away, it happens.

Couldn't hit a barn door at Brighton. 
 

Never really watched him until I saw him last night, absolutely destroyed City. Young centre half didn’t know what hit him. 

[hmfc_liam06]

19 hours ago, OTT said:

 

I'd be keen on 2 forwards, a CF to cover and push Shanks, and a winger. 

 

Feel relatively well covered at CB, Kent & Rowles, with Halks & Kingsley as back up. 

 

This would be a successful January.

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

1 minute ago, hmfc_liam06 said:

 

I think he was literally just one that got away, it happens.

 

Just now, RustyRightPeg said:

Couldn't hit a barn door at Brighton. 
 

Never really watched him until I saw him last night, absolutely destroyed City. Young centre half didn’t know what hit him. 

Everyone matures at a different pace, and in different environments, regardless the data flagged him, and I am hugely excited what it might do for us

[Nerja Jambo]

If we sign any more than 2 I'd be surprised. Clear out as many as we can on loan or negotiate a free and then bring back Pollock and Denholm so they can benefit from the coaching Critchley is bringing in. 

[JimmyCant]

14 hours ago, kingantti1874 said:

If you want an example of what Jamestown can do.  Viktor Gyokeres.. found by Brighton a went to Coventry, has scored a barreload for Lisbon and currently ripping up city

Hardly a ringing endorsement of Brighton or their relationship with Jamestown that one

 

Brighton bought him for £1m

Loaned him out for 2 years

Sold him to Coventry for £1.2m

Coventry sold him 2 years later for £21m

 

so unless Brighton have a big sell on clause, that’s a monumental **** up

[Batistuta87]

Kevin Van Veen's loan cancelled by St Mirren on the count of him being an absolute wrong un.

 

[hmfc_liam06]

55 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

Hardly a ringing endorsement of Brighton or their relationship with Jamestown that one

 

Brighton bought him for £1m

Loaned him out for 2 years

Sold him to Coventry for £1.2m

Coventry sold him 2 years later for £21m

 

so unless Brighton have a big sell on clause, that’s a monumental **** up

1 mistake vs how many successes?

 

No recruitment method is fool proof.

[kingantti1874]

1 hour ago, JimmyCant said:

Hardly a ringing endorsement of Brighton or their relationship with Jamestown that one

 

Brighton bought him for £1m

Loaned him out for 2 years

Sold him to Coventry for £1.2m

Coventry sold him 2 years later for £21m

 

so unless Brighton have a big sell on clause, that’s a monumental **** up

By Brighton yes but they won’t get them all right.  Sutherland fact that Starlizard identified him in the first place is hugely encouraging. 

[Batistuta87]

22 minutes ago, hmfc_liam06 said:

1 mistake vs how many successes?

 

No recruitment method is fool proof.

 

Not even really a recruitment mistake - they've just not had a place for him in their team and have received an offer that would give them their money back plus a small profit, and took it. Maybe they sold him too soon, maybe he wanted to go, who knows, but that doesn't mean the identification model has failed and in fact demonstrates its success because that player regardless of who benefited was sold on for 10x his original fee. The mistake was in the timing of selling him, not in recruiting him. 

 

Edited November 6, 2024 by Batistuta87

[Mikey1874]

1 hour ago, JimmyCant said:

Hardly a ringing endorsement of Brighton or their relationship with Jamestown that one

 

Brighton bought him for £1m

Loaned him out for 2 years

Sold him to Coventry for £1.2m

Coventry sold him 2 years later for £21m

 

so unless Brighton have a big sell on clause, that’s a monumental **** up

 

Brighton signed Deniz Undav from for €7 million. Sold to Stuttgart for €26.7 million 2 years later after mainly being on loan.

 

They signed Moises Caicedo from undisclosed fee but market value of €4.5 million. Sold to Chelsea just over one year later for €116 million.

 

Signed Alexis MacAllister from Boca Juniors for undisclosed fee with market value of €12.5 million.  Sold to Liverpool for £35 million release clause plus £20 million add ons.

 

Signed Robert Sanchez as youth for small fee sold to Chelsea for €23 million.

 

Marc Cucurella signed for €18 million from Getafe sold to Chelsea for €63.3 million one year later.

 

Yves Bissouma signed from Lille for €16.8 million sold to Tottenham 4 years later for €29.2 million.

 

Leandro Trossard bought for €15.5 million sold (under duress) to Arsenal for €24 milluon 4 years later.

 

Dan Burn bought from Wigan for €3.5 million sold to Newcastle for €15 million.

 

A whole load of smaller fees too

 

Tell us why these are poor deals.

[iantjambo]

56 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said:

Kevin Van Veen's loan cancelled by St Mirren on the count of him being an absolute wrong un.

 

 Wrong un is being generous.

[fabienleclerq]

58 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said:

Kevin Van Veen's loan cancelled by St Mirren on the count of him being an absolute wrong un.

 

Care to elaborate?

[wavydavy]

2 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said:

Care to elaborate?

Kevin van Veen's St Mirren contract has reportedly been ripped up.

The forward, 33, appeared at Hamilton Sheriff Court last week facing allegations of domestic abuse with a club investigation launched and the player unavailable for the match against Ross County on Sunday.

 

A club statement read: “St Mirren Football Club is aware of a court appearance and ongoing criminal investigation into Kevin van Veen.

“The club will conduct its own investigation into this matter and Kevin will not be available for Saturday’s match. We will make no further comment during this process.”

Van Veen's case was adjourned until November 28 but it has now been reported - by the Scottish Sun - that the player will depart the Paisley club under a clause in his loan deal from Groningen.

St Mirren chiefs are thought to have made the decision to end the loan deal with Van Veen to return to the Dutch side.

The Paisley club held the option to end Van Veen's time in Paisley should he make less than ten appearances.

[iantjambo]

6 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said:

Care to elaborate?

 https://news.stv.tv/sport/st-mirren-terminate-kevin-van-veen-loan-deal-after-striker-charged-with-domestic-abuse

 

Horrible ****!

[fabienleclerq]

14 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

Kevin van Veen's St Mirren contract has reportedly been ripped up.

The forward, 33, appeared at Hamilton Sheriff Court last week facing allegations of domestic abuse with a club investigation launched and the player unavailable for the match against Ross County on Sunday.

 

A club statement read: “St Mirren Football Club is aware of a court appearance and ongoing criminal investigation into Kevin van Veen.

“The club will conduct its own investigation into this matter and Kevin will not be available for Saturday’s match. We will make no further comment during this process.”

Van Veen's case was adjourned until November 28 but it has now been reported - by the Scottish Sun - that the player will depart the Paisley club under a clause in his loan deal from Groningen.

St Mirren chiefs are thought to have made the decision to end the loan deal with Van Veen to return to the Dutch side.

The Paisley club held the option to end Van Veen's time in Paisley should he make less than ten appearances.

 

10 minutes ago, iantjambo said:

 https://news.stv.tv/sport/st-mirren-terminate-kevin-van-veen-loan-deal-after-striker-charged-with-domestic-abuse

 

Horrible ****!

What a scumbag.  St Mirren have had a poor season in that regards. 

[wavydavy]

2 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said:

 

What a scumbag.  St Mirren have had a poor season in that regards. 

 

I am all for having one or two aggressive players in the squad but these guys take the biscuit.

[AndyNic]

44 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Brighton signed Deniz Undav from for €7 million. Sold to Stuttgart for €26.7 million 2 years later after mainly being on loan.

 

They signed Moises Caicedo from undisclosed fee but market value of €4.5 million. Sold to Chelsea just over one year later for €116 million.

 

Signed Alexis MacAllister from Boca Juniors for undisclosed fee with market value of €12.5 million.  Sold to Liverpool for £35 million release clause plus £20 million add ons.

 

Signed Robert Sanchez as youth for small fee sold to Chelsea for €23 million.

 

Marc Cucurella signed for €18 million from Getafe sold to Chelsea for €63.3 million one year later.

 

Yves Bissouma signed from Lille for €16.8 million sold to Tottenham 4 years later for €29.2 million.

 

Leandro Trossard bought for €15.5 million sold (under duress) to Arsenal for €24 milluon 4 years later.

 

Dan Burn bought from Wigan for €3.5 million sold to Newcastle for €15 million.

 

A whole load of smaller fees too

 

Tell us why these are poor deals.

 

Also Ben White to Arsenal for £60m!

 

 

[JimmyCant]

55 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Brighton signed Deniz Undav from for €7 million. Sold to Stuttgart for €26.7 million 2 years later after mainly being on loan.

 

They signed Moises Caicedo from undisclosed fee but market value of €4.5 million. Sold to Chelsea just over one year later for €116 million.

 

Signed Alexis MacAllister from Boca Juniors for undisclosed fee with market value of €12.5 million.  Sold to Liverpool for £35 million release clause plus £20 million add ons.

 

Signed Robert Sanchez as youth for small fee sold to Chelsea for €23 million.

 

Marc Cucurella signed for €18 million from Getafe sold to Chelsea for €63.3 million one year later.

 

Yves Bissouma signed from Lille for €16.8 million sold to Tottenham 4 years later for €29.2 million.

 

Leandro Trossard bought for €15.5 million sold (under duress) to Arsenal for €24 milluon 4 years later.

 

Dan Burn bought from Wigan for €3.5 million sold to Newcastle for €15 million.

 

A whole load of smaller fees too

 

Tell us why these are poor deals.

They’re not poor deals. Brighton made a mistake with this particular one

[DC_92]

6 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

They’re not poor deals. Brighton made a mistake with this particular one

 

If there was a mistake it was not keeping him longer/not playing him enough rather than a flaw in the analytics which correctly identified his potential.

[Jim Panzee]

8 minutes ago, DC_92 said:

 

If there was a mistake it was not keeping him longer/not playing him enough rather than a flaw in the analytics which correctly identified his potential.

possibly.

 

Or it just wasn't going to work for him at Brighton for a reason the analytics couldn't predict.

 

Hopefully acts as a reminder that TB & the analytics won't be a silver bullet 100% of the time.  

[Dazo]

38 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

They’re not poor deals. Brighton made a mistake with this particular one

Crucially, Jamestown didn’t. 

[soonbe110]

3 hours ago, JimmyCant said:

Hardly a ringing endorsement of Brighton or their relationship with Jamestown that one

 

Brighton bought him for £1m

Loaned him out for 2 years

Sold him to Coventry for £1.2m

Coventry sold him 2 years later for £21m

 

so unless Brighton have a big sell on clause, that’s a monumental **** up

Says a lot for Jamestown though   His next transfer fee will be north of £50m 

[Hømme]

3 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Says a lot for Jamestown though   His next transfer fee will be north of £50m 

 

There is serious money to be made for hearts for future transfers as well. Can you imagine if we got a slice of some of those fees Brighton have received?

 

 

[GinRummy]

13 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Crucially, Jamestown didn’t. 

 

10 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Says a lot for Jamestown though   His next transfer fee will be north of £50m 

Exactly. Been made clear we are not going into partnership with Brighton. Great pick from the analytics. 

[Nerja Jambo]

4 minutes ago, Hømme said:

 

There is serious money to be made for hearts for future transfers as well. Can you imagine if we got a slice of some of those fees Brighton have received?

 

 

We'll never get anywhere near what Brighton get, but we should get a hell of o lot more than we do at present. We could and should be at a level higher than Aberdeen who show what a non OF club can get.  It'll all come down to the standard of coaching and that has been our downfall for years. 

[Hømme]

Just now, Nerja Jambo said:

We'll never get anywhere near what Brighton get, but we should get a hell of o lot more than we do at present. We could and should be at a level higher than Aberdeen who show what a non OF club can get.  It'll all come down to the standard of coaching and that has been our downfall for years. 

 

Yeah I was referring to sell on fees. I know we cannot attract the same fees as Brighton.

 

Eg we buy a player for 500k, sell him to Wolves for £4M with 10% sell on clause. Player then goes from Wolves to Arsenal for £50M and we get a slice of that sale 

[RustyRightPeg]

52 minutes ago, DC_92 said:

 

If there was a mistake it was not keeping him longer/not playing him enough rather than a flaw in the analytics which correctly identified his potential.

The only example I can see is Kirk going to St J. We didn’t play him because of Shanks & Wilson appearing to have better potential. If he kicks on beyond the belief we had in him, have we missed a trick or were his opportunities going to be extremely limited?
 

Brighton had Glenn Murray and spent lots of money on Locadia and Andone that summer with Aaron Connelly breaking through at that point. They didn’t see a path for him. He backed himself to go and play, fair enough. 

[DC_92]

1 minute ago, Jim Panzee said:

possibly.

 

Or it just wasn't going to work for him at Brighton for a reason the analytics couldn't predict.

 

Hopefully acts as a reminder that TB & the analytics won't be a silver bullet 100% of the time.  

 

I did say "if" there was a mistake, so I appreciate that sometimes it just doesn't work out. Still, identifying a £1m player who was sold for a small profit and would go on to be worth £50m isn't remotely a cautionary tale in my opinion.

[Madjambo21]

2 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Brighton signed Deniz Undav from for €7 million. Sold to Stuttgart for €26.7 million 2 years later after mainly being on loan.

 

They signed Moises Caicedo from undisclosed fee but market value of €4.5 million. Sold to Chelsea just over one year later for €116 million.

 

Signed Alexis MacAllister from Boca Juniors for undisclosed fee with market value of €12.5 million.  Sold to Liverpool for £35 million release clause plus £20 million add ons.

 

Signed Robert Sanchez as youth for small fee sold to Chelsea for €23 million.

 

Marc Cucurella signed for €18 million from Getafe sold to Chelsea for €63.3 million one year later.

 

Yves Bissouma signed from Lille for €16.8 million sold to Tottenham 4 years later for €29.2 million.

 

Leandro Trossard bought for €15.5 million sold (under duress) to Arsenal for €24 milluon 4 years later.

 

Dan Burn bought from Wigan for €3.5 million sold to Newcastle for €15 million.

 

A whole load of smaller fees too

 

Tell us why these are poor deals.

It's really exciting when we see the success of it so far.

 

My worry is will it work when you get down to buying players for 100k

 

Really hope it does because if we can get recruitment right over next few windows we could rock the boat and seriously push the old firm

[kingantti1874]

2 minutes ago, Madjambo21 said:

It's really exciting when we see the success of it so far.

 

My worry is will it work when you get down to buying players for 100k

 

Really hope it does because if we can get recruitment right over next few windows we could rock the boat and seriously push the old firm

plenty of good examples from USG and Como to refer to.  That aside, I believe the reason bloom is accepting is so we can look a bit higher than that.

[johnking123]

It will be a slow steady process in transfermarket . Maybe just start off selling couple players at couple million. Then invest and the sell 6-7 million . Invest again and hope you pick a beauty and sell for 10-15 million. It's what USG did.

[gar jambo]

On 08/09/2024 at 15:42, Agentjambo said:

A new frontline please.

A simple thing we did not replace Tagawa and might not be were we are ,fine margins, 

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

I wonder who our first player is going to be, like a kid waiting for Christmas

[Gorgierools]

4 minutes ago, Lord Beni of Gorgie said:

I wonder who our first player is going to be, like a kid waiting for Christmas

Which always led to disappointment, never got a chopper

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

Just now, Gorgierools said:

Which always led to disappointment, never got a chopper

😢

[Dazo]

43 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

 

Exactly. Been made clear we are not going into partnership with Brighton. Great pick from the analytics. 

Yep, seems like Jimmy isn’t up for the debate now the wind has been taken out of his sails. 
 

Mistakes will always be made when a club becomes involved in the decision making process. The point being this will drastically reduce our chances as Brighton and Union have shown. 

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

1 minute ago, Dazo said:

Yep, seems like Jimmy isn’t up for the debate now the wind has been taken out of his sails. 
 

Mistakes will always be made when a club becomes involved in the decision making process. The point being this will drastically reduce our chances as Brighton and Union have shown. 

Still interesting to know what mistakes Brighton may have made, lessons learned quite often swept under the carpet, something else to move forward to than back, they are invaluable.

 

TBF, really easy to make that mistake, if you get 7/10 right its going to be an improvement, massive one for us.

[GinRummy]

4 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Yep, seems like Jimmy isn’t up for the debate now the wind has been taken out of his sails. 
 

Mistakes will always be made when a club becomes involved in the decision making process. The point being this will drastically reduce our chances as Brighton and Union have shown. 

The whole thing is really intriguing. I dare say the analytics will get things badly wrong occasionally. All about increasing the odds to give us a bigger chance of success is my take. 

[Nerja Jambo]

1 hour ago, Hømme said:

 

Yeah I was referring to sell on fees. I know we cannot attract the same fees as Brighton.

 

Eg we buy a player for 500k, sell him to Wolves for £4M with 10% sell on clause. Player then goes from Wolves to Arsenal for £50M and we get a slice of that sale 

Agree with your thinking.👍

[JimmyCant]

1 hour ago, Dazo said:

Yep, seems like Jimmy isn’t up for the debate now the wind has been taken out of his sails. 
 

Mistakes will always be made when a club becomes involved in the decision making process. The point being this will drastically reduce our chances as Brighton and Union have shown. 

I said it wasn’t best example that’s all. Proof in fact that it’s not always going to work. They’ve got loads of success stories There are plenty examples where it has worked for them (Brighton) This one didn’t but even then they didn’t lose money 

 

We don’t know why it didn’t work out at Brighton. Would be interesting to know how he went from failing at Brighton to worth £20m 2 years after he left

 

Quite happy to debate with you any time you fancy. I’ll be wrong a fair bit too and you’ll be able to get more jollies pointing it out. Everyone’s a winner

Edited November 6, 2024 by JimmyCant

[Ricardo Quaresma]

6 hours ago, Gorgierools said:

Which always led to disappointment, never got a chopper

 

Never too late, although I believe what you're referring to cost about 1 or 2 grand now 🫠

[Pasquale for King]

9 hours ago, Batistuta87 said:

 

Not even really a recruitment mistake - they've just not had a place for him in their team and have received an offer that would give them their money back plus a small profit, and took it. Maybe they sold him too soon, maybe he wanted to go, who knows, but that doesn't mean the identification model has failed and in fact demonstrates its success because that player regardless of who benefited was sold on for 10x his original fee. The mistake was in the timing of selling him, not in recruiting him. 

 

Exactly, he could be worth £59m plus now, identifying players is obviously only the 1st step so in that respect the algorithm worked. 

Edited November 6, 2024 by Pasquale for King

[Jambo61]

6 hours ago, Gorgierools said:

Which always led to disappointment, never got a chopper

We will likely get the cut-priced January sales tat! Like every other birthday!