New Manager - Critchley confirmed

[Agentjambo]

30 minutes ago, Dr Lager said:

Won’t be easy to get a good manager at this time of the season. Unless you are willing to pay significant compensation. We don’t have a director of football. The board has zero football knowledge. We don’t know if they want a manager or a coach. We have a large squad but little pace and basically one striker. I’d normally say the Hearts job would be an attractive one but currently it doesn’t look it. Can’t see any easy solution 

We can’t be skint…although the board make it look that way.

[PapaShango]

14 minutes ago, Nerja Jambo said:

Don't think we are heading for the championship but that is based on over the season there is worse than us. You're right about the timing though as the Celtic game is gone, so SM should be the target, albeit very tight. 

I don't share your confidence. If he continues playing players out of position and we create nothing, we will win very few games. Dundee Utd are average at best and we didn't trouble them at all. They won't have had an easier game at Tynecastle for years. 

[bazman]

9 minutes ago, Agentjambo said:

We can’t be skint…although the board make it look that way.

It's not that we are skint but it wont be cheap. Have to pay off the contracts of the 3 potentially 4 if Gallagher goes too. Then if you go for a manager at a club you have compensation to worry about. That's before wages depending on how ambitious an appointment it is

[Jambof3tornado]

22 minutes ago, Nerja Jambo said:

Don't think we are heading for the championship but that is based on over the season there is worse than us. You're right about the timing though as the Celtic game is gone, so SM should be the target, albeit very tight. 

Ahhh the old we're too good to be relegated......

[David McCaig]

40 minutes ago, bazman said:

It's not that we are skint but it wont be cheap. Have to pay off the contracts of the 3 potentially 4 if Gallagher goes too. Then if you go for a manager at a club you have compensation to worry about. That's before wages depending on how ambitious an appointment it is

Making a mess of the Minsk and Omonia Nicosia ties costs us the best part of £1m

[SectionN]

1 hour ago, PapaShango said:

Its the perfect time to do it with the break coming up. Surely its being discussed and replacements talked about. If not its more negligence by the board. He's going to get rid dry at Parkhead so realistically we have almost 3 weeks until St Mirren to get someone in. If we don't change it we are heading for the Championship, there is nothing more certain. 

I 100% agree with you mate. I’d make the change now.

 

However supporting Hearts over the years we are always too slow to make changes so I’d wager that Naismith will be in the dugout for Celtic & St Mirren.

[steve89]

All silent from the club. I suspect he has a stay of execution 

[BackOfTheNet]

We won’t get anyone new in. We haven’t got a DoF or Sporting Director in, just like we didn’t under Stendel, which means the manager likely has to do some more things than he might’ve previously.

 

So hire a DoF/Sporting Director and see what he makes of the set up. Hope he sees that a club out side competing in the competitions we do needs more than 3 guys coaching a squad our size.

[David McCaig]

19 minutes ago, steve89 said:

All silent from the club. I suspect he has a stay of execution 

Which just means the whole conversation starts again post a Parkhead humping... and then again after St Mirren away.

[steve89]

13 minutes ago, David McCaig said:

Which just means the whole conversation starts again post a Parkhead humping... and then again after St Mirren away.

So frustrating it's early enough in the season we could still turn things around into a positive season. I suspect they will leave it until we are assured bottom 6

 

[bloomtime]

1 hour ago, Nerja Jambo said:

Don't think we are heading for the championship but that is based on over the season there is worse than us. You're right about the timing though as the Celtic game is gone, so SM should be the target, albeit very tight. 

Heard this plenty times before in 70s and 80s and more recently  19/20 when we struggled to score and shipped goals for fun. Next 2 games are defo defeats on paper  usual gubbing at parkhead on cards way things are. Wouldnt even put money on us beating ross co. A hobo mate is worried we don't win a game before hibs game so is hoping we do lol but he would bet on us to beat them if we haven't haha.

[theshed]

49 minutes ago, David McCaig said:

Making a mess of the Minsk and Omonia Nicosia ties costs us the best part of £1m

As I said earlier, get him out the door and we stand a chance in these games so pays for the pay off with plenty left over 

[David McCaig]

3 minutes ago, steve89 said:

So frustrating it's early enough in the season we could still turn things around into a positive season. I suspect they will leave it until we are assured bottom 6

 

We need to act now so that the new Manager is fully up to speed for the start of the Conference League

[GorgieFifeLife]

It’s going to be a long international break waiting to come back to a humping at Celtic and then away to St Mirren where we will struggle to take anything.  All depressing stuff and any feel good factor for the fans is long gone at a time when we should have been kicking in and looking forward to our European games.

[ford donald]

59 minutes ago, steve89 said:

All silent from the club. I suspect he has a stay of execution 

 

Would like to think they are negotiating compensation!

[Ex member of the SaS]

Don't know if it's been mentioned but they claimed to have lots of interest around the times when Levein and Bob were punted so surely they can drag out those applications and pick one or at least enquire if they are still interested.

[Gundermann]

No poll?

[Ex member of the SaS]

28 minutes ago, theshed said:

As I said earlier, get him out the door and we stand a chance in these games so pays for the pay off with plenty left over 

It's all about pain and gain, balance one against the other and see where we are. The money lost surely out weighs that which potentially can be gained. Sit near the bottom much longer and it's so much harder to make up ground. Looking up it's hard to see clubs with much less income and potential above us.

[vegas-voss]

Our club are great at giving each other a pat on the back when it's going well.Radio silence when we are shite though.

[Ex member of the SaS]

2 hours ago, PapaShango said:

I don't share your confidence. If he continues playing players out of position and we create nothing, we will win very few games. Dundee Utd are average at best and we didn't trouble them at all. They won't have had an easier game at Tynecastle for years. 

This is the main point, he claimed to want a fixed team but once again meddled and tinkered. Between them they don't know the best team or even a best defense. We have players to cover all positions bar striker and surely it's not that hard to pick who plays well with each other. Put them out with an attacking fast flowing mentality and see where we are. Tinkering has cost us every game bar Sevco so put THAT team out and stick with it.

[AC Mallin_51]

Robbie Neilson’s dismissal was announced  late afternoon time the following date after st mirren I’m sure 

[Jambotommy]

Get Alex Neill in, with Naisy as his number 2...punt the Mitchell brothers... 

[Gordon_1874]

Let's be honest we won't be short of applications with the likes of group stage European football and with no DOF to work under you'll basically get the full running of the football side. 

[i8hibsh]

1 minute ago, Gordon_1874 said:

Let's be honest we won't be short of applications with the likes of group stage European football and with no DOF to work under you'll basically get the full running of the football side. 

 

 

As long as they don't question anything as the Iron Lady will not appreciate that.

[Jambo dans les Pyrenees]

2 hours ago, Dr Lager said:

Won’t be easy to get a good manager at this time of the season. Unless you are willing to pay significant compensation. We don’t have a director of football. The board has zero football knowledge. We don’t know if they want a manager or a coach. We have a large squad but little pace and basically one striker. I’d normally say the Hearts job would be an attractive one but currently it doesn’t look it. Can’t see any easy solution 

Christ, when you put it like that…

 

On the bright side, at least the reason the squad is so big is due to all the quality we signed in the sum…ah, maybe not

[steve89]

17 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

As long as they don't question anything as the Iron Lady will not appreciate that.

They also have to be a member of her friendship circle 

[NannyMaroon]

I think we need a new manager. 

I don't have any ready made suggestions. 

I think player wages has a much bigger impact on league performance than manager but it obviously matters.

Naisy was not ready, he never did anything with b team and needed at least 2 more seasons to gain experience.

 

I do get why the board gambled on a young manager though. But he wasn't the one.

 

The difficulty is getting a manager with experience and an approach - fast, attacking, pressing football to join our club. They cost a lot and are snapped up by bigger clubs for more money.

 

So whilst we need a new manager, we also need to look at our whole footballing set up.

The foundations need to be right. 

They are not there now.

 

I think we need to partner with a coaching or stats organisation. They have the experience, knowledge and data that we do not.

 

We need to build that in house as our footballing development. I think a majority FOH presence on the board would help that. I think one director should just be focused on this. 

They should build up a core of knowledge, a list of potential candidates for all of our footballing development. 

So youth, coaching, manager and DOF. We should use outside agencies too.

 

We have an opportunity to begin this project. Establishing third in Scotland and drawing away from the rest and regular European football is an achievable aim and will help us to a position where we may be able to challenge for 2nd.

 

We have necessarily concentrated on the financial up to now.

 

We shouldn't abandon that but it needs to be supplemented with a focus on football.

 

We are punching below our weight.

 

Short term we need a new manager though.

 

I think partnering with a coaching organisation with that expertise can produce a list of good candidates.

 

But long term we need to develop a footballing foundation that is mostly absent and costs us.

 

I also think an affiliate of some sort may help to develop players and staff make the jump and be able to work for the first team. A halfway house between youth and main teams. Both for players and for staff.

 

Edited September 2, 2024 by NannyMaroon

[Nerja Jambo]

5 minutes ago, NannyMaroon said:

I think we need a new manager. 

I don't have any ready made suggestions. 

I think player wages has a much bigger impact on league performance than manager but it obviously matters.

Naisy was not ready, he never did anything with b team and needed at least 2 more seasons to gain experience.

 

I do get why the board gambled on a young manager though. But he wasn't the one.

 

The difficulty is getting a manager with experience and an approach - fast, attacking, pressing football to join our club. They cost a lot and are snapped up by bigger clubs for more money.

 

So whilst we need a new manager, we also need to look at our whole footballing set up.

The foundations need to be right. 

They are not there now.

 

I think we need to partner with a coaching or stats organisation. They have the experience, knowledge and data that we do not.

 

We need to build that in house as our footballing development. I think a majority FOH presence on the board would help that. I think one director should just be focused on this. 

They should build up a core of knowledge, a list of potential candidates for all of our footballing development. 

So youth, coaching, manager and DOF. We should use outside agencies too.

 

We have an opportunity to begin this project. Establishing third in Scotland and drawing away from the rest and regular European football is an achievable aim and will help us to a position where we may be able to challenge for 2nd.

 

We have necessarily concentrated on the financial up to now.

 

We shouldn't abandon that but it needs to be supplemented with a focus on football.

 

We are punching below our weight.

 

Short term we need a new manager though.

 

I think partnering with a coaching organisation with that expertise can produce a list of good candidates.

 

But long term we need to develop a footballing foundation that is mostly absent and costs us.

 

I also think an affiliate of some sort may help to develop players and staff make the jump and be able to work for the first team. A halfway house between youth and main teams. Both for players and for staff.

 

Did Aberdeen not deal with some German outfit to source out potential candidates to fit their requirements.

[NannyMaroon]

3 minutes ago, Nerja Jambo said:

Did Aberdeen not deal with some German outfit to source out potential candidates to fit their requirements.

Yes, they used a consultancy. Not a bad one but there are far better ones available with a wider and deeper knowledge base.

We just don't have anything like that knowledge at the club. I think we should develop it but meantime it's the best option. 

 

I think we should probably partner with one long-term.

Edited September 2, 2024 by NannyMaroon

[Ex member of the SaS]

I have moaned long and hard about SN but I  have even bigger doubts about the coaches and would like to see how SN managed without them. Don't know how that would be possible so lets move them all on and get a proper manager in with his own backroom staff. We can't afford to waste any more time on this experiment. Europe and league are slipping away along with income from these sources, BUT just as bad if not worse is allowing another team to gain access to these funds.

[heyjude1]

Going by this article is does not look like change will happen anytime soon - https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com//sport/football/hearts/inside-tynecastle-as-hearts-ponder-what-comes-next-4765331

[Mr Rabbit]

56 minutes ago, Jambotommy said:

Get Alex Neill in, with Naisy as his number 2...punt the Mitchell brothers... 

We’ve been down that road.

 

If we’re to get rid of Naismith I hope the board have done their due-diligence and bring in an experienced manager who has successfully managed teams who are used to playing against a low block.

 

There's no point bringing in someone who is going to do the same as Naismith, Neilson etc. We have had some success with that playing style but it always end the same way when the results dry up as fans don’t want to watch that type of football.

[Gordon_1874]

Close thread, Banderson just said not even so much as a board meeting has taken place.

[gregzy2k7]

13 minutes ago, heyjude1 said:

Going by this article is does not look like change will happen anytime soon - https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com//sport/football/hearts/inside-tynecastle-as-hearts-ponder-what-comes-next-4765331

Board are an absolute joke 🤬 sadly not surprising though, this is going to be a painful season.

[ford donald]

55 minutes ago, steve89 said:

They also have to be a member of her friendship circle 

 

Don't forget the knitting needles.

[Nerja Jambo]

18 minutes ago, Gordon_1874 said:

Close thread, Banderson just said not even so much as a board meeting has taken place.

It won't take place until tonight. Banderson and the EEN just speculate.

[KariHMFC]

Just now, Nerja Jambo said:

It won't take place until tonight. Banderson and the EEN just speculate.

He will have been fed that from the club. 

[Chaps]

That Anderson article is nothing but a page filler and clickbait.

 

It’s all his opinion and there are no quotes from the board.

 

 

[LarrysRightFoot]

If Barry is accurate I think he will get until the St Mirren game* - lose that and he’ll be gone IMO. 
 

*unless Celtic beat us 6-0 or something and they accept he’s not turning it round (as let’s face it we won’t beat them there like we did last season). 

[Walter Bishop]

Anyone heard he’s offered to resign and the board refused to accept? 

[selkirkhmfc1874]

International break then 2 away games so the board won't have to face the supporters at tynecastle until end of the month

[The_razors_edge]

1 minute ago, Chaps said:

That Anderson article is nothing but a page filler and clickbait.

 

It’s all his opinion and there are no quotes from the board.

 

 

You have to assume he’s been given the inside track. He’s unlikely to publish that article if there was any chance SN was likely to be sacked or resign any time soon. He’s going to look a bit silly otherwise 

[Monsieur Maroon]

3 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said:

Anyone heard he’s offered to resign and the board refused to accept? 

I’m certainly not in the know, but I’d be very surprised if he offered to resign. 

[S Form]

5 minutes ago, Chaps said:

That Anderson article is nothing but a page filler and clickbait.

 

It’s all his opinion and there are no quotes from the board.

 

 

There are no quotes from the board but you can be certain he's spoken to one or two of its members and he's relaying what he's been told.  

[ToadKiller Dog]

4 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said:

Anyone heard he’s offered to resign and the board refused to accept? 

Think that would be mental if true,I would go with not true at this point  ,

he would have offered the board a get out if jail card .

And we would keep in place a manager who wants to resign so his head would no longer be on the job .

 

Certainly think the board isn't at the same place as the support ,my thoughts defeats in the next 2 games then Ross County might be where they are left with no other option.

[Hashimoto]

11 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said:

Anyone heard he’s offered to resign and the board refused to accept? 

Absolutely no chance. His reputation is blown to hell. Leaving voluntarily just now would just mean spending Months sitting on his ar*e in the house getting under the wife's feet.

[LarrysRightFoot]

13 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said:

Anyone heard he’s offered to resign and the board refused to accept? 

If true they are utterly incompetent if they have not accepted as.offering to resign is an acceptance that he isn’t turning it round. 
 

Cathro offered to resign and they rejected it and look how that turned out. 

[Jamhammer]

18 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said:

Anyone heard he’s offered to resign and the board refused to accept? 

That can’t be true

[BillyMurphy]

1 hour ago, Jambotommy said:

Get Alex Neill in, with Naisy as his number 2...punt the Mitchell brothers... 

Naismiths ego would never allow that.  No danger. 

[Tennant's 6's]

12 minutes ago, LarrysRightFoot said:

If true they are utterly incompetent if they have not accepted as.offering to resign is an acceptance that he isn’t turning it round. 
 

Cathro offered to resign and they rejected it and look how that turned out. 

I don't recall that but that is mental & fair play to him if he realised what most thought/ knew, that he didn't have it to be head coach.

 

I wouldn't rule out further incompetence though, success on the field just doesn't seem to matter as much, at least that's the perception you get