New Manager - Critchley confirmed

[AC Mallin_51]

Problem is the longer we rumble on, low on confidence, bottom end of the table, we really then need to start looking at an appointment to steady the ship. Stendel was the fancy, out the box appointment at the time but it ended in disaster. I personally believe because he inherited a fiasco that wasn’t his speciality to deal with. It’s all just becoming a bit of a mess

[JamboAl]

On 07/09/2024 at 12:52, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

Talking about spending it's not doing very well for mems team ! Dundee, falkirk, motherwell and dundee utd can only dream of our wage budget 

Can you enlighten us as to what the repective budgets are?

I am not talking about turnover or even gross profit but amounts available for spending on out men's team(s).  TIA

[gregzy2k7]

3 hours ago, jbee647 said:

When Scotland offered him the job prior to Clarkes appointment, it was reported O’Neill signed a new contract with Norn Iron on £750k a year, he then left for more money at Stoke City, incidentally Alex Neil was on 28k a week at Stoke after leaving Sunderland, Neill is obviously out of work , but neither of them is coming to Hearts for less than 12-15k a week, no way will we ever consider paying a salary like that 

 

Well 15k a week equates to about 780k per season, I think a club like Hearts should be able to pay a manager that imo, We need to change this mentality of trying to be cheap skates, if we don't go out and spend serious money, we are going to be left with inexperienced riff raff and get left behind as a football club.

 

If it meant we had to trim the squad by about 4 or 5 players to pay it then so be it.

[Ian Black 8]

Spoke a lot of sense there pal but ur right it was always gonna be hard to have a similar season 2 last or better it… but the start 2 this season has been horrific m8. Pre season wasn’t convincing… cup was a disaster v Falkirk and we have scored twice in the league.. 14 points of Aberdeen and we are 5 games bet nobody predicted that ffs it’s unacceptable from everybody involved. Everyone needs 2 stand up n take responsibility

[Morgan]

4 minutes ago, Ian Black 8 said:

Spoke a lot of sense there pal but ur right it was always gonna be hard to have a similar season 2 last or better it… but the start 2 this season has been horrific m8. Pre season wasn’t convincing… cup was a disaster v Falkirk and we have scored twice in the league.. 14 points of Aberdeen and we are 5 games bet nobody predicted that ffs it’s unacceptable from everybody involved. Everyone needs 2 stand up n take responsibility

🤷🏿‍♂️

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

Probably in a minority of close to 1 here but I think naisy and the team will turn it around

 

no need for a new manager

 

 

 

 

[David McCaig]

11 minutes ago, Ian Black 8 said:

Spoke a lot of sense there pal but ur right it was always gonna be hard to have a similar season 2 last or better it… but the start 2 this season has been horrific m8. Pre season wasn’t convincing… cup was a disaster v Falkirk and we have scored twice in the league.. 14 points of Aberdeen and we are 5 games bet nobody predicted that ffs it’s unacceptable from everybody involved. Everyone needs 2 stand up n take responsibility

 

The brilliance of Shankland last season covered numerous flaws in the team... None of which have been rectified and are now exposed by Shanks goal drought.

[Morgan]

1 minute ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

Probably in a minority of close to 1 here but I think naisy and the team will turn it around

 

no need for a new manager

 

 

 

 

A minority of two, MMM.  👍

 

❤️

[OTT]

I want Paulo Back. 

 

I know I know... folk get weirdly defensive when his name gets brough up (see link below I AM A SURGEON for the level of weird anger to a legitimate suggestion)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5vcmRh--e4

 

I do think there is nothing to recruit in Scotland, and I'm wary of English managers underestimating Scottish football. Paulo for me, is a good blend of someone that understands Scottish football, but would bring a fresh perspective and tactical know how. Moreoever, is experienced and IMHO has unfinished business here. I also think there would be a feel good factor that would maybe reset the losing culture that is taking root. Players feel the pressure from the stands and fold, focus would change to celebrating the return of the manager to deliver the greatest day in our history   (or one of, I'm sure those there at 98 would argue different because of the length of time, likewise confirmation Budges bid had been accepted too). 

 

Whatever direction we go, it needs to be towards an experienced hire. I'm sick to my back ****ing teeth of seeing the same shite style of possession based crap being poorly implemented - Robbie started this pish, and Naisy seems completely incapable of changing it to the "fast paced attacking football" he promised. Maybe I'm being ignorant, but to play possession based football well, you need to move the ball quickly and decisively with the quality to open up a lowblock effectively, We lack all of that. Shankland is the only one that can reliably put the ball in the net because McKay, Forrest, Oda, Spittal, Dhanda & Grant have all utterly chucked responsibility for scoring goals, and Vargas looks like he couldn't score in a whorehouse with £100k in his hand. 

[Bill Mc]

1 minute ago, Morgan said:

A minority of two, MMM.  👍

 

❤️

Make that 3. 

[The Maroon Jacket]

I'd be happy with McIness tomorrow, we don't have time to mess about 

He knows the league, he knows the opposition, he knows our players, he knows the match officials, he even knows 2 of our European opponents FC Copenhagen and Cercle Bruge having recently played them 

He is in our budget and would jump at the chance 

Rather than fart about for weeks getting a bigger name and more of a gamble he would get us to 3 rd or 4 th this season and does well in the cup's 

I'd do it tomorrow 

 

[Penrices left boot]

If Naismith is sacked,  has to be McInnes.

No punts,  no rookies- a proven manager at our level.

 

When we sacked Bob in 4th, he was the only manager with a record in Scotland  better than him but we went with Naismith and the the rookie route.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 15, 2024 by Bazzas right boot

[The Maroon Jacket]

Just now, Bazzas right boot said:

If Naismith is sacked,  has to be McInnes.

No punts,  no rookies- a proven manager at our level.

 

 

Exactly get him in pronto, there's nothing to think about 

[OTT]

3 minutes ago, Bazzas right boot said:

If Naismith is sacked,  has to be McInnes.

No punts,  no rookies- a proven manager at our level.

 

When we sacked Bob in 4th, he was the only manager with a record in Scotland  better than him but we went with Naismith and the the rookie road.

 

 

 

 

 

When we first appointed Naismith, I said something along the lines of Neilson ending up back here as manager at some point. I don't think he'll be next in the door, but I reckon we'll see him back by 2030. 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

4 minutes ago, Bill Mc said:

Make that 3. 

one things for sure we’ll find out soon enough as it pretty much needs to be immediate and sustained with only a minimal amounts of bumps until we’re well up the league

 

im not as big a beni cheerleader as many on here but him and boateng might be the key to getting through these next few games so let’s hope beni has no adverse reaction from yesterday

 

[naisy will probably rest / drop one or both of them  ]
 

 

[Go for it 1308]

9 minutes ago, Bazzas right boot said:

If Naismith is sacked,  has to be McInnes.

No punts,  no rookies- a proven manager at our level.

 

When we sacked Bob in 4th, he was the only manager with a record in Scotland  better than him but we went with Naismith and the the rookie route.

 

 

 

 

 

Totally agree...reluctantly...because I can't stand you as a poster

Edited September 15, 2024 by Go for it 1308

[Penrices left boot]

1 minute ago, OTT said:

 

When we first appointed Naismith, I said something along the lines of Neilson ending up back here as manager at some point. I don't think he'll be next in the door, but I reckon we'll see him back by 2030. 

 

He'd be daft to come back here.

 

 

 

[OTT]

2 minutes ago, Bazzas right boot said:

 

He'd be daft to come back here.

 

 

 

A lot can change in what, 7/8 years? Imo we’re going to get something wrong at some point, and Robbie will end up a viable option to fix things. 

[Life Aquatic]

Brace yourselves... Craig Levein incoming as "interim" manager

 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

9 minutes ago, Bazzas right boot said:

 

He'd be daft to come back here.

 

 

 

yup he knows he’s not welcome

 

 

[Dick Dastardly]

31 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

Probably in a minority of close to 1 here but I think naisy and the team will turn it around

 

no need for a new manager

 

 

 

 

I really would love him to turn it around.  I just don't see it happening. Hope you are right and i am wrong. 

[BillyMurphy]

Mark Warburton or Ryan Lowe.  I don't think McInnes would come.

[tiger Rudi]

27 minutes ago, Bill Mc said:

Make that 3. 

I'm still with Naismith. Next 4 league games are crucial though. If it's still horse-shit and no evidence of improvement i.e points won and climbing the table......I'd go for McInnes. 

 

Don't think he will get the boot though. Contract extensions for all 3 have basically landed us with them for this season IMHO.

 

Let's just hope he pulls this around.

[Penrices left boot]

19 minutes ago, Go for it 1308 said:

Totally agree...reluctantly...because I can't stand you as a poster

 

Bit personal,  don't take yourself or the Internet so seriously.

 

[Batistuta9]

I laughed at suggestions of McInnes, Robinson, Goodwin etc but they actually seem to be punching above their weight considering the results they've produced with the resources they've had. 

 

Part of me wants to go down the Aberdeen route though, and find an intelligent and efficient European / Scandinavian gem who just instantly makes all the right improvements and gets the team playing some good football. 

 

Kasper Hjulmand would be a fantastic appointment, I think. Was the Denmark manager at the World Cup, previously at Nordsjaelland and Mainz as a coach. Was mentioned for the Burnley job. He'd probably be a big reach for us and don't know if it would be massively unrealistic or not, but if talk of the Bloom investment is true then I'd like to think we'll be looking at actual European experienced managers. 

 

Raphael Wicky would be another interesting one who falls into that category. Experience on the continent and the US, European experience with Basel and Young Boys. Linked with the Sunderland job but they appointed Les Bris. 

 

 

Edited September 15, 2024 by Batistuta87

[gregzy2k7]

I'm starting to lean more towards Derek Mcinnes now in all honesty.

 

I know he isn't everyone's cup of tea, but I think at this stage of the season where we are already 8 games in and transfer window now closed, I think it would be difficult to look at the foreign market, to someone who has a similar kind of record but for a European team, Which is what my preferred option would have been, but at this stage it would be too much of a gamble I think, Unless it was an outstanding candidate.

 

So in answer to your question, I would be happy with Mcinnes tomorrow if he was appointed, 

 

My reason is simple, he is a guy who has a proven track record, knows the league and Scottish game inside and out and he is someone who will most definitely get us results straight away and will have the team solid first and foremost, he also has a good track record in improving players, see Ferguson and Armstrong and his record at Aberdeen is something I believe he could emulate at us if given the correct backing by our board.

 

The only slight concern I have is with style of play and where we would be 18 months or 24 months down the track, could we potentially find ourselves in a similar situation of fans not happy with style etc ? But happy to try it and find out.

[The Maroon Jacket]

4 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said:

I laughed at suggestions of McInnes, Robinson, Goodwin etc but they actually seem to be punching above their weight considering the results they've produced with the resources they've had. 

 

Part of me wants to go down the Aberdeen route though, and find an intelligent and efficient European / Scandinavian gem who just instantly makes all the right improvements and gets the team playing some good football. 

 

Kasper Hjulmand would be a fantastic appointment, I think. Was the Denmark manager at the World Cup, previously at Nordsjaelland and Mainz as a coach. Was mentioned for the Burnley job. He'd probably be a big reach for us and don't know if it would be massively unrealistic or not, but if talk of the Bloom investment is true then I'd like to think we'll be looking at actual European experienced managers. 

 

Raphael Wicky would be another interesting one who falls into that category. Experience on the continent and the US, European experience with Basel and Young Boys. Linked with the Sunderland job but they appointed Les Bris. 

 

 

The thing is we are getting left behind and are in for a heavy schedule of game's, the time for an overseas manager should be pre-season with more time to prepare 

We need to act swiftly now and with a manager that knows the basket case of Scottish fitbaw 

[HeartsandonlyHearts]

Are we poaching another team manager or hiring one without a job at this time?

 

Naismith stays for me. 

 

[Go for it 1308]

6 hours ago, Bazzas right boot said:

 

Bit personal,  don't take yourself or the Internet so seriously.

 

I didn't mean you mate. Just your posts. You're last post, you were spot on 👍

[kingantti1874]

6 hours ago, HeartsandonlyHearts said:

Are we poaching another team manager or hiring one without a job at this time?

 

Naismith stays for me. 

 

for how long? We are bottom of the league, officially the worst start to a season in the clubs history.  With the most expensive squad in history.  
 

just let that sink in. It’s impossible 

[Muppetboy]

34 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

for how long? We are bottom of the league, officially the worst start to a season in the clubs history.  With the most expensive squad in history.  
 

just let that sink in. It’s impossible 

God that's mental!! I had no idea it was the worst start.  That's just damning. I've said prior to the Europe 2nd leg that he's on his way out, it's got to be imminent now, he must know he's in too deep and treading water

[jamboozy]

9 hours ago, Morgan said:

A minority of two, MMM.  👍

 

❤️

 

9 hours ago, Bill Mc said:

Make that 3. 

Aye, aw right then, count me in as well. The only concern I have is the other two, I’d rather he had got the chance to pick his own coaching team.

[feej]

Doubt if they'll be going anywhere, all had contract extensions so board won't have been considering anyone else so unlikely they have a contingency plan in place to move fast if things change. Another internal promotion would be suicide, inexperienced replacing inexperienced but this would probably the most likely scenario.

 

Just my own opinion but I don't think they're the guys to get us out their own made mess.

[jbee647]

7 hours ago, HeartsandonlyHearts said:

Are we poaching another team manager or hiring one without a job at this time?

 

Naismith stays for me. 

 

One thing for certain is we need to have a target in mind and go out and get him, get the best man available for the job that we can afford whoever that may be.

We absolutely must not waste anytime on inviting applications from out of work, poor or desperate coaches and managers.

Good managers and coaches don’t apply for jobs, they invariably don’t need to

If I read that Hearts are sifting through applications I can guarantee they will make the wrong choice 

[GorgieFifeLife]

I don’t think McInnes would take the job within our current structure.  He will demand more scope to change things than the board will allow him.  He won’t be here as a yes man and the cosy set up will be gone.  Transfers would have to be in his absolute control which might work out for the best given our new Sporting Directors lack of experience in this area.  I just don’t see the board going for him at all.  We will probably go for another young coach who will be happy to work within the current structure and will be easily controlled.

[gregzy2k7]

3 minutes ago, GorgieFifeLife said:

I don’t think McInnes would take the job within our current structure.  He will demand more scope to change things than the board will allow him.  He won’t be here as a yes man and the cosy set up will be gone.  Transfers would have to be in his absolute control which might work out for the best given our new Sporting Directors lack of experience in this area.  I just don’t see the board going for him at all.  We will probably go for another young coach who will be happy to work within the current structure and will be easily controlled.

He would walk to Tynecastle to come to us imo,

 

If the board went for him, it's a no brainer for him and them.

 

Just depends if they wanted to go for him though.

[Scott Leitch]

8 hours ago, Bazzas right boot said:

 

Bit personal,  don't take yourself or the Internet so seriously.

 

😂 

[selkirkhmfc1874]

10 minutes ago, gregzy2k7 said:

He would walk to Tynecastle to come to us imo,

 

If the board went for him, it's a no brainer for him and them.

 

Just depends if they wanted to go for him though.

Wouldn't be so sure about that, he turned down rangers in the past

[steve89]

9 hours ago, Howdy Doody Jambo said:

I'd be happy with McIness tomorrow, we don't have time to mess about 

He knows the league, he knows the opposition, he knows our players, he knows the match officials, he even knows 2 of our European opponents FC Copenhagen and Cercle Bruge having recently played them 

He is in our budget and would jump at the chance 

Rather than fart about for weeks getting a bigger name and more of a gamble he would get us to 3 rd or 4 th this season and does well in the cup's 

I'd do it tomorrow 

 

Can't believe people are suggesting a manager that's having almost as bad a season as the one we are probably going to end up sacking.

[jbee647]

10 minutes ago, GorgieFifeLife said:

I don’t think McInnes would take the job within our current structure.  He will demand more scope to change things than the board will allow him.  He won’t be here as a yes man and the cosy set up will be gone.  Transfers would have to be in his absolute control which might work out for the best given our new Sporting Directors lack of experience in this area.  I just don’t see the board going for him at all.  We will probably go for another young coach who will be happy to work within the current structure and will be easily controlled.

Unfortunately I think you might be right, in an ideal situation McInnes would jump at the opportunity to manage Hearts, but I believe he would not be given the control that he would require, for a start he would demand complete control of his own back room staff and I think that could be a problem straight away, AB and her board will want control of who they are hiring, and that’s before we even discuss salaries , which I’m lead to believe is quite lucrative for McInnes at Kilmarnock 

[selkirkhmfc1874]

4 minutes ago, jbee647 said:

Unfortunately I think you might be right, in an ideal situation McInnes would jump at the opportunity to manage Hearts, but I believe he would not be given the control that he would require, for a start he would demand complete control of his own back room staff and I think that could be a problem straight away, AB and her board will want control of who they are hiring, and that’s before we even discuss salaries , which I’m lead to believe is quite lucrative for McInnes at Kilmarnock 

If kilmarnock can afford Derek McInnes then so can Hearts who've got a turnover of about 3 times kilmarnocks 

[gregzy2k7]

4 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

Wouldn't be so sure about that, he turned down rangers in the past

Yeah, I think he probably regrets that decision,

 

I think if he was offered the job at Hearts he would take it without hesitation imo, 

 

It would probably be his last chance to have a go with a big club, as I can't see any english championship team taking a chance on him.

[gordiegords]

9 hours ago, tiger Rudi said:

I'm still with Naismith. Next 4 league games are crucial though. If it's still horse-shit and no evidence of improvement i.e points won and climbing the table......I'd go for McInnes. 

 

Don't think he will get the boot though. Contract extensions for all 3 have basically landed us with them for this season IMHO.

 

Let's just hope he pulls this around.

If it doesnt  improve of course he will get the boot, tynecastle would become unbearable for them all if they continued to the point of being dangerous.

[jbee647]

1 minute ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

If kilmarnock can afford Derek McInnes then so can Hearts who've got a turnover of about 3 times kilmarnocks 

Of course we would hope so, but he would be Hearts highest paid manager if we hired him, I just have my doubts if the current board want to go down that path 

[Sherbet]

Just now, jbee647 said:

Of course we would hope so, but he would be Hearts highest paid manager if we hired him, I just have my doubts if the current board want to go down that path 

agree  they would be required to show some ambition

[selkirkhmfc1874]

Just now, jbee647 said:

Of course we would hope so, but he would be Hearts highest paid manager if we hired him, I just have my doubts if the current board want to go down that path 

The current board need to show same level of ambition they do off the field because they'd never appoint a rookie to run hospitality, the hotel , the CEO etc so why the most important job in the football department ? Can only think it's because they want someone they can control 

[gregzy2k7]

Just now, jbee647 said:

Of course we would hope so, but he would be Hearts highest paid manager if we hired him, I just have my doubts if the current board want to go down that path 

This is the real issue, 

 

It's not that good managers don't want to come to Hearts,

 

It's if the current Hearts board want to employ good managers,

 

I think they would much prefer baldy unexperienced yes men.

[Newton51]

The killie owner subsidises mcinnes deal. They couldn’t afford his current wages. Extended his contract when rumours about Hibs and Scotland job came up. He would bring experience to the setup and get rid of the players past their best

[PTBCAL]

I would rather stick than twist with McInnes. 
 

Any new appt please do not have any experience or links to Scottish football. 
 

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 minutes ago, PTBCAL said:

I would rather stick than twist with McInnes. 
 

Any new appt please do not have any experience or links to Scottish football. 
 

 

It’s a rock and hard place scenario.