Lawrence Shankland

[brownkg]

Andrew McKinlay told me and others in Contalmaison on Monday that there had been ZERO interest in Shankland other than paper nonsensense. Neither was there in him other than paper talk too, He also said that he would be stupid beyond belief to even consider V2 at the minute with all their problems and challenges he is a lawyer to trade so clearly not stupid.

[bringonthesevco]

I have a slightly different take on the let him run down his contract as his goals will be worth 5-6m again for us this coming season.

 

our management aren’t stupid , they’ve been planning for life without shanks for a long time , we’ll have a plan to replace those goals and still get the 5-6m reward, yes it’s a risk as we don’t know what the plan is but equally you could argue it’s more of a risk being reliant on 1 player.

 

if he’s not going to sign a new contract, I’d look to sell him now - sign a replacement and get the next 3-4 years out of his replacement .  Goals coming from replacement , Vargas, Tagawa, spittal, Dhanda etc 

 

fwiw - my preference is absolutely for him to sign a new contract

 

fwiw - I’d go for Theo Bair as the replacement but accept we all have different views on this one !!!

[Ricardo Quaresma]

55 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said:

Absolute fantasy stuff. If you think any Hearts player earns over 6k a week you’re delusional. 

 

Wow, better not write what I think you are

 

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Edited July 6, 2024 by Ricardo Quaresma

[jbee647]

1 hour ago, Walter Bishop said:

Absolute fantasy stuff. If you think any Hearts player earns over 6k a week you’re delusional. 

At least 50% of the current Hearts first team squad will be on wages on or around 6k a week 

There are 2 guys playing for Spartans on 1k a week 

it’s not 1985 anymore, any decent player playing at the top level in Scotland (top 4) old firm Hearts and Aberdeen will easily earn that amount 

 

[Ricardo Quaresma]

1 hour ago, bringonthesevco said:

I have a slightly different take on the let him run down his contract as his goals will be worth 5-6m again for us this coming season.

 

our management aren’t stupid , they’ve been planning for life without shanks for a long time , we’ll have a plan to replace those goals and still get the 5-6m reward, yes it’s a risk as we don’t know what the plan is but equally you could argue it’s more of a risk being reliant on 1 player.

 

if he’s not going to sign a new contract, I’d look to sell him now - sign a replacement and get the next 3-4 years out of his replacement .  Goals coming from replacement , Vargas, Tagawa, spittal, Dhanda etc 

 

fwiw - my preference is absolutely for him to sign a new contract

 

fwiw - I’d go for Theo Bair as the replacement but accept we all have different views on this one !!!

 

You don't think the assumption is that the replacement(s) are already here and it's planned that they are to be ready for 1 year's time?

[Ricardo Quaresma]

2 hours ago, Walter Bishop said:

I think once Dessers is confirmed as away Rangers will move for Shankland. I just hope we have a replacement lined up and we are able to get them in time for season starting. 

 

How much do you think they'll offer?

[Radio-Braga]

2 hours ago, Walter Bishop said:

I think once Dessers is confirmed as away Rangers will move for Shankland. I just hope we have a replacement lined up and we are able to get them in time for season starting. 

Have they not signed two strikers already ?

[Ricardo Quaresma]

2 hours ago, jambo_74 said:

I still haven't come to terms with this. I have spoken to friends and acquaintances who unfortunately for them support other clubs. In all honesty it was split about fifty-fifty in terms of whether Clarke should continue and what I found more gobsmacking, whether Shankland should have started the games in Germany.

People saying things like Adams was played because he holds up the ball and apparently has the ability to stretch defences. I honestly didn't see him do either of those things. Whilst Shanks may not be as fast as Adams, his movement is fabulous and I would argue that is what stretches defences, not blistering pace in isolation. Shanks from what I have seen is far better at holding the ball up and is also really good at bringing midfielders into the game further up the pitch.

The most annoying slight and excuse used for not starting Shanks was that he was just a penalty box striker and this was from the mouth of a Hibs acquaintance, clearly hasn't watched Shanks closely enough during derby games! Bit of an aside, but because of how badly treated our captain has been, I'm pretty much done with Scotland until Clarke is emptied, which I predict will happen sometime around November this year.

 

Those guys don't watch Shankland and are all in denial, you know that, so don't worry pal

[Gorgierools]

2 hours ago, brownkg said:

Andrew McKinlay told me and others in Contalmaison on Monday that there had been ZERO interest in Shankland other than paper nonsensense. Neither was there in him other than paper talk too, He also said that he would be stupid beyond belief to even consider V2 at the minute with all their problems and challenges he is a lawyer to trade so clearly not stupid.

And, ironically, in line to be their next CEO🤔

[Gorgierools]

1 hour ago, Ricardo Quaresma said:

 

Wow, better not write what I think you are

 

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A bishop banger or a bishop bangers son?

[soonbe110]

1 hour ago, jbee647 said:

At least 50% of the current Hearts first team squad will be on wages on or around 6k a week 

There are 2 guys playing for Spartans on 1k a week 

it’s not 1985 anymore, any decent player playing at the top level in Scotland (top 4) old firm Hearts and Aberdeen will easily earn that amount 

 

Who knows, but based on last  set of published accounts, if 50% of the squad, that’s 12-15 players, are on £6k pw that’s about a third of the wage bill gone on those players.  That’s means the remaining £9-10m pays for the remaining 255 employees plus the 120 part time matchday staff.   A bit of a stretch to believe that. 

[droid]

22 minutes ago, Gorgierools said:

And, ironically, in line to be their next CEO🤔

More paper talk with zero substance.

[Gorgierools]

Did he not get shortlisted for  interview? Hope I'm wrong.

Edited July 6, 2024 by Gorgierools

[tcjambo]

10 hours ago, Aussie Jambo said:

From the rumours The Rangers won’t be anywhere near Shankland so forget that. Decent team to go to. I read this the other day. 
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/lawrence-shankland-signs-west-brom-should-secure-these-shrewd-transfers-before-august-deadline/
 

West Brom would be the perfect move for him.

[brownkg]

1 hour ago, Gorgierools said:

And, ironically, in line to be their next CEO🤔

Did you not read what I wrote?

He said he would be terminally stupid to take that role on now with them in the  state they are

[Smithian]

On 05/07/2024 at 10:34, joondalupjambo said:

Souttar was a pro for us right up until his last game in the Cup Final.  If Shankland signs a pre contract for any club I would expect him to perform to the best of his abilities until he leaves.

I'm certain Shankland would be a pro, same as Souttar and same as Spittal, Dhanda, or Craig Halkett when Hearts got him on a pre while he was Livi's captain.

 

I just personally don't want to deal with it as a selfish supporter.

[Smithian]

On 05/07/2024 at 09:28, tiger Rudi said:

With regard your last sentence. Kent would make an excellent captain, but if he has another good season he will likely attract some suitors too. I've no problem with Shanks as captain, but some would argue that giving it to someone who has committed their immediate future to the club should be the way to go. 

On 05/07/2024 at 09:32, We_are_the_Hearts said:

Eh? We need players/captains who want to do really well here and are ambitious to play at the highest level possible no?

That was a bit in jest. And even after his hot start we didn't know Shankland would keep it up and be a modern legend after his Hearts start.

 

Critiquing my own post, I don't know who on the club would even fall under that "think their level is above Hearts" point I made. Cochrane maybe? Someone like Kent would be perfect. Already had experience playing in England, meaning he won't get an itch to prove himself. Good player, still seems Hearts is his level. It's not impossible he could up his game and be a target for even bigger clubs than Hearts, but at this stage of his career it would be a surprise. Devlin makes sense to should his contract be extended.

 

Admittedly, I've never been in a dressing room with any of these guys. I have no idea which player is actually respected versus who is a great interview but a total behind closed doors.

Edited July 6, 2024 by Smithian

[savage]

Rangers have signed two strikers and still have danilo and dessers on the books they are not singing shanks

[Watt-Zeefuik]

7 hours ago, Gorgierools said:

And, ironically, in line to be their next CEO🤔

 

TBQH I didn't know McKinlay was in the bankruptcy administration business.

[john thomas]

6 hours ago, brownkg said:

Did you not read what I wrote?

He said he would be terminally stupid to take that role on now with them in the  state they are

To clarify , no he didn't read what you wrote .

Actually it would be worrying if he did and still posted

[No Idle Talk]

Does anyone of my vintage(watching Hearts since the 80s), or older, not have this guy in their top 10 favourite Hearts players? 

 

He's so good. I'm annoyed and sad for him the way he was treated at the Euros. I hope he uses that injustice to fuel him this season and he rams another 30 goals in. Totally embarrass Steve Clarke.

 

He's definitely in my favourite top 10 ever. So are Craig Gordon and Stephen Kingsley. Three players in our current squad in my top ten ever. I think that speaks very well of the team we have right now. 

 

I am buzzing for the new season. Can't wait to get started. 

[Gorgierools]

13 hours ago, brownkg said:

Did you not read what I wrote?

He said he would be terminally stupid to take that role on now with them in the  state they are

No, sorry I didn't through it correctly.Good news then.

Edited July 7, 2024 by Gorgierools

[kingantti1874]

2 hours ago, No Idle Talk said:

Does anyone of my vintage(watching Hearts since the 80s), or older, not have this guy in their top 10 favourite Hearts players? 

 

He's so good. I'm annoyed and sad for him the way he was treated at the Euros. I hope he uses that injustice to fuel him this season and he rams another 30 goals in. Totally embarrass Steve Clarke.

 

He's definitely in my favourite top 10 ever. So are Craig Gordon and Stephen Kingsley. Three players in our current squad in my top ten ever. I think that speaks very well of the team we have right now. 

 

I am buzzing for the new season. Can't wait to get started. 

Has to be in it.  50+ goals in 2 seasons is unreal.  Gordon of course is top 10.  I love Kingsley as well but he doesn’t quite make that list.  

[soonbe110]

4 hours ago, No Idle Talk said:

Does anyone of my vintage(watching Hearts since the 80s), or older, not have this guy in their top 10 favourite Hearts players? 

 

He's so good. I'm annoyed and sad for him the way he was treated at the Euros. I hope he uses that injustice to fuel him this season and he rams another 30 goals in. Totally embarrass Steve Clarke.

 

He's definitely in my favourite top 10 ever. So are Craig Gordon and Stephen Kingsley. Three players in our current squad in my top ten ever. I think that speaks very well of the team we have right now. 

 

I am buzzing for the new season. Can't wait to get started. 

Deciding my top 10 over last 50 years or so is a tough one.  He will certainly be a candidate but it’s a big pool.  Robbo, Mackay, Cameron, Skacel, Gordon, Levein, Naysmith, and thats right off the top of my head. 

[JimmyCant]

31 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Deciding my top 10 over last 50 years or so is a tough one.  He will certainly be a candidate but it’s a big pool.  Robbo, Mackay, Cameron, Skacel, Gordon, Levein, Naysmith, and thats right off the top of my head. 

Most of my favourites are players who loved us back and showed loyalty. Guys like Robbo, Skacel Levein etc.

 

Im not convinced Shankland has that ‘feel’ for the club and he might solely be using us as a vehicle to enhance his career and personal wealth. Time will tell. If he signs and stays he’s a Robbo. If he moves on hes a Hickey or a Fuller

[ManxandCapeTownJambo]

My top 10 favourites

Henry

Cruikie

Fordy

Willie Gibson

JC

Robbo

Rudi

Paul Hartley

Shanks

Bobby Prentice

 

but plenty of others would make the list 

on another day

10 isn’t enough really 

[joondalupjambo]

The Rangers will sell Dessers, claiming they got 5m for him to keep ra Peepil happy.  They will then offer Hearts 1m for Shankland, then 1.5m as a final bid and on both counts will be told to ram it.  Shanks will then sign a new contract.  It is written in the stars.  He will then go on to become one of Hearts greats.

[scott herbertson]

1 hour ago, ManxandCapeTownJambo said:

My top 10 favourites

Henry

Cruikie

Fordy

Willie Gibson

JC

Robbo

Rudi

Paul Hartley

Shanks

Bobby Prentice

 

but plenty of others would make the list 

on another day

10 isn’t enough really 

 

 

Would swap out Henry for Neimi. Prentice, (though on his day he was brilliant, just not often enough) for Busby and Gibson for probably Pressley - the best captain in my time watching. But then there's guys like Levein and neil McCann just for 1996 LC final, hmmmm I give up.

[EH11 2NL]

Rangers have shown absolutely no interest in Shankland. But here we are second window on the trot discussing our player going to them. The absolute state of the game here, all because some weegie arseholes write about it to sell some shit paper. 

[soonbe110]

3 hours ago, JimmyCant said:

Most of my favourites are players who loved us back and showed loyalty. Guys like Robbo, Skacel Levein etc.

 

Im not convinced Shankland has that ‘feel’ for the club and he might solely be using us as a vehicle to enhance his career and personal wealth. Time will tell. If he signs and stays he’s a Robbo. If he moves on hes a Hickey or a Fuller

Good point. 
Hartley needs to be added to the my list and I’m sure tres at least another handful so Shanks is marginal for me atm. 

[1874Jambo]

I would be taking the captaincy off him now and giving it to someone who is committed to being here for the next couple of seasons 

[soonbe110]

8 hours ago, No Idle Talk said:

Does anyone of my vintage(watching Hearts since the 80s), or older, not have this guy in their top 10 favourite Hearts players? 

 

He's so good. I'm annoyed and sad for him the way he was treated at the Euros. I hope he uses that injustice to fuel him this season and he rams another 30 goals in. Totally embarrass Steve Clarke.

 

He's definitely in my favourite top 10 ever. So are Craig Gordon and Stephen Kingsley. Three players in our current squad in my top ten ever. I think that speaks very well of the team we have right now. 

 

I am buzzing for the new season. Can't wait to get started. 

Having thought about it a bit more there’s 11 guys and a couple of subs from 16 May 1998 who more than fill my top ten favourite Hearts players. Big difference between my favourite players and players who I think were the best players for us in that period.  That makes it messy. 

[soonbe110]

3 hours ago, JimmyCant said:

Most of my favourites are players who loved us back and showed loyalty. Guys like Robbo, Skacel Levein etc.

 

Im not convinced Shankland has that ‘feel’ for the club and he might solely be using us as a vehicle to enhance his career and personal wealth. Time will tell. If he signs and stays he’s a Robbo. If he moves on hes a Hickey or a Fuller

Second time I have seen Fuller mentioned in a couple of days. Nikki Campbell and Adrian Chiles were debating players that had played for both Hearts and WBA the other day on Five Live. They could only come up with three, Fuller was one.  Who were the other two? 

[joondalupjambo]

7 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Second time I have seen Fuller mentioned in a couple of days. Nikki Campbell and Adrian Chiles were debating players that had played for both Hearts and WBA the other day on Five Live. They could only come up with three, Fuller was one.  Who were the other two? 

Roman Bednar and Craig Beattie.

[Ally Alexander]

8 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Second time I have seen Fuller mentioned in a couple of days. Nikki Campbell and Adrian Chiles were debating players that had played for both Hearts and WBA the other day on Five Live. They could only come up with three, Fuller was one.  Who were the other two? 

Willie Johnston is one.

[joondalupjambo]

5 minutes ago, Ally Alexander said:

Willie Johnston is one.

And, drum roll please ........

Snodgrass as well so that is 5 now in total.

 

Must be more surely at this rate.

 

And with the help of London Hearts not ma heid there were 11 in total apparently.  

 

https://www.londonhearts.com/scores/newclub/c00001307.html

 

 

Edited July 7, 2024 by joondalupjambo

[No Idle Talk]

36 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Having thought about it a bit more there’s 11 guys and a couple of subs from 16 May 1998 who more than fill my top ten favourite Hearts players. Big difference between my favourite players and players who I think were the best players for us in that period.  That makes it messy. 

 

Yeah that's why I was careful to say favourite players. If I had to pick a best Hearts XI from my lifetime then I don't think Stephen Kingsley would be in it(Takis Fyssas) but he is definitely one of my personal favourites. 

[chrisyboy7]

48 minutes ago, 1874Jambo said:

I would be taking the captaincy off him now and giving it to someone who is committed to being here for the next couple of seasons 

He is committed..he's under contract lol

[soonbe110]

1 hour ago, Ally Alexander said:

Willie Johnston is one.

That’s us at four. 

[soonbe110]

Just now, soonbe110 said:

That’s us at four. 

Edit 5

[soonbe110]

1 hour ago, No Idle Talk said:

 

Yeah that's why I was careful to say favourite players. If I had to pick a best Hearts XI from my lifetime then I don't think Stephen Kingsley would be in it(Takis Fyssas) but he is definitely one of my personal favourites. 

Yep, don’t think Shanks makes my top 10 favourites.  Too many others who did stuff for longer. 

[thegreatsd]

I don’t think anyone knows what will happen with Shanks, even the man himself. 
I would be tempted to keep him for next season regardless of whether he signs a new deal with us or not. Hopefully he decides to pen a new deal and cement himself as a great for us. 
If he goes elsewhere at the end of his current deal, I do believe come the end of his career we will have seen the the very best of him in maroon. 
Who knows how it will turn out though! Plenty to stay for with the European football, very decent wage, records to break and legendary status with our wonderful club. 👍🇱🇻

[ManxandCapeTownJambo]

2 hours ago, 1874Jambo said:

I would be taking the captaincy off him now and giving it to someone who is committed to being here for the next couple of seasons 

if we do keep Shanks as captain at start of season hopefully that is a strong sign from the club that he is going nowhere at least until the end of his contract?

[joondalupjambo]

35 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Edit 5

Just look at my earlier post a few back.  11 in total according to London Hearts👍

[sirwalter]

15 hours ago, savage said:

Rangers have signed two strikers and still have danilo and dessers on the books they are not singing shanks

They can't because...

 

"We've got...".

[Dick Dastardly]

We should offer to name Tynecastle after him for the length of his extended contract. That should just about make him stay.

The Lawrence Shankland international Arena has a great ring to it

[soonbe110]

3 hours ago, joondalupjambo said:

Just look at my earlier post a few back.  11 in total according to London Hearts👍

👍

[jr ewing]

5 hours ago, ManxandCapeTownJambo said:

if we do keep Shanks as captain at start of season hopefully that is a strong sign from the club that he is going nowhere at least until the end of his contract?

A reasonable assumption. 

[darrenold]

Possibly the less said the better for us.

 

Certainly Steve Clarke has helped in that regard...no scout saw him play. 👏

[a11ank]

15 hours ago, darrenold said:

Possibly the less said the better for us.

 

Certainly Steve Clarke has helped in that regard...no scout saw him play. 👏

Interestingly, after nearly 270 minutes of football at the Euros, I wonder how many scouts are knocking on Che Adams door?