Horizon IT - Post Office - Public Enquiry

[Hagar the Horrible]

1 hour ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Perhaps i am confusing the TV series with the more nuanced facts but did Fujitsu not try and erase the fact the Union rep visited Fujitsu headquarters and witnessed the potential for external interference actually happening?

I think you are bang on.  I am not sure It would be prudent to trust a corporate type with anything that resembles the truth

[Lie Forrit 2 hrs 34 mins]

57 minutes ago, ehcaley said:

Watching Thomson evidence to enquiry,a slow motion car crash.

I agree, my distant cousin is having a nightmare

[stuart500]

What an arrogant, angry, self-important idiot. A complete embarrassment.

[Lone Striker]

On 20/06/2024 at 11:49, Hagar the Horrible said:

Don't know if this is historical but PO leaks 555 names and addresses of postmasters prosecuted,  Is that cruelty or revenge?  They posted it on their website FFS

Unbelievable twist in the saga.  No idea if this is just newspaper addiction to dramatic headlines, but its being reported that the PO ACCIDENTALLY did this.

 

How is it possible to ACCIDENTALLY do something like this ?   

 

Now these folk who've already had their lives ruined will be getting pestered by legitimate financial companies & fraudsters looking to get them to invest their payout in some scheme.

 

Surely this should result in the PO getting a  hefty fine from the ICO .... with the Govt making sure that the fine gets deducted from the PO directors' bonus pot.

 

  

[Hagar the Horrible]

1 hour ago, Lone Striker said:

Unbelievable twist in the saga.  No idea if this is just newspaper addiction to dramatic headlines, but its being reported that the PO ACCIDENTALLY did this.

 

How is it possible to ACCIDENTALLY do something like this ?   

 

Now these folk who've already had their lives ruined will be getting pestered by legitimate financial companies & fraudsters looking to get them to invest their payout in some scheme.

 

Surely this should result in the PO getting a  hefty fine from the ICO .... with the Govt making sure that the fine gets deducted from the PO directors' bonus pot.

 

  

They will still get their bonuses

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

The only upside is that the fat ****er looks like a heart attack magnet. Be a real shame if that was to happen 

[Hagar the Horrible]

1 hour ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

The only upside is that the fat ****er looks like a heart attack magnet. Be a real shame if that was to happen 

Double nightmare when the people paid to represent you, tip off the PO that others were sniffing around, at no point when his phone must have been red hot looking for help, he saw no pattern.  He thought that thousands more had no issue so the system was robust.

[Footballfirst]

I had a look at Thomson's witness statement. In his 83 paragraphs he used "robust" 23 times and "systemic" 19 times.

[Victorian]

Did this guy really think his own involvement could be mitigated by a last man standing type of defence like this?  That he could convince the world that it really isn't the thing it has been shown to be?

 

Baffling.

[Footballfirst]

The whole of this week's evidence sessions (Tue-Fri) are devoted to Gareth Jenkins. Given his key role as an "expert" on Horizon and his contribution to the prosecution of multiple SPMRs I suspect that there will be a good deal of information revealed about his interaction with the PO legal team.

[Sleepy head]

On 21/06/2024 at 21:32, Footballfirst said:

I had a look at Thomson's witness statement. In his 83 paragraphs he used "robust" 23 times and "systemic" 19 times.

That was one of wee krankies favourite words.

[stuart500]

Gareth Jenkins has his chance to take down quite a few 'top dogs' in Fujitsu and POL. However in view of self incrimination implications this might turn into more of a 4 day " no comment" session.

 

Should be interesting though.

[stuart500]

8 hours ago, Sleepy head said:

That was one of wee krankies favourite words.

As in "Robust Campervan for sale. No bugs or defects".

[Hagar the Horrible]

1 hour ago, stuart500 said:

Gareth Jenkins has his chance to take down quite a few 'top dogs' in Fujitsu and POL. However in view of self incrimination implications this might turn into more of a 4 day " no comment" session.

 

Should be interesting though.

He lied in court knowingly and sent a pregnant women to jail.  He did not realise he was working for the court not the PO

[Hagar the Horrible]

Well you cant say there is no flies on Jenkins

[Hagar the Horrible]

Before the evidence begins, Sir Wyn Williams, chair of inquiry, tells Jenkins that he has a right to decline to answer a question if there is a risk the answer would incriminate him.

Jenkins is told he must make the chair aware if he does not intend to answer a question on those grounds.

We already know Jenkins is under police investigation and his lawyers have unsuccessfully petitioned the inquiry to rule his evidence can't be used against him.

[Hagar the Horrible]

Jenkins does not accept all of the findings in the Alan Bates court case, he does not know what bug caused the problems.

[Hagar the Horrible]

Jenkins says he can't remember receiving the letter and only became aware of it when the police investigation into him began in 2020.

Beer pauses to "help" Jenkins and warns him that discussing his conversations with solicitors could be read as him waiving privilege in those matters, meaning the inquiry would be entitled to ask about those conversations more broadly.

The lawyers tells him he can waive that privilege if he wants to "but doesn't want him to do it by accident".

 

Playing the I cant remember card now, nearly caught himself out on waiving privilege, Beer legally warned him so if he does so again, it is game on

[Hagar the Horrible]

I have been an expert witness lots of times, it is very boring, but if you have anything relevant to the case full disclosure is sacrosanct, You always answer question from your statement, that the defence usually asks .  It you stick to the facts, offer no opinion, you get an easy time, but sometimes the Judge asks really awkward questions .

 

Jenkins states he had no knowledge of his understanding what an expert witness is, Then he is not an expert witness, he has already belittled his term as "Expert"

[Mikey1874]

4 minutes ago, Hagar the Horrible said:

I have been an expert witness lots of times, it is very boring, but if you have anything relevant to the case full disclosure is sacrosanct, You always answer question from your statement, that the defence usually asks .  It you stick to the facts, offer no opinion, you get an easy time, but sometimes the Judge asks really awkward questions .

 

Jenkins states he had no knowledge of his understanding what an expert witness is, Then he is not an expert witness, he has already belittled his term as "Expert"

 

The QC has pursued this matter of him not understanding what an expert is witness in full. What the underlying narrative is there.

[Hagar the Horrible]

2 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

The QC has pursued this matter of him not understanding what an expert is witness in full. What the underlying narrative is there.

Even though he had to admit to seeing a document explaining to his his role and responsibility.

 

But this is priceless, Beer asked him during testing was the solution to just turn it off and on again,?he said yes but it was more than that

[Footballfirst]

Jenkins squirming this morning after it was shown to him that he had been provided with a document detailing his responsibilities as an "Expert Witness", that he had denied ever seeing yesterday.

[Lone Striker]

55 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Jenkins squirming this morning after it was shown to him that he had been provided with a document detailing his responsibilities as an "Expert Witness", that he had denied ever seeing yesterday.

At least, he's showing  consistency.  😃

 

 

[Hagar the Horrible]

Vennels claims today in the final day of the inquiry that she was never told by her senior team that there was an issue?

 

well apart from the hundreds of emails

 

oh and she is not blaming others, well apart from her senior team which she named , and over 900 people which she celebrated going to to jail

[Hagar the Horrible]

The closing statements so far by the lawyers of the conspiracist has just been described as a circular firing squad

 

Fujitsu blaming the post office even though they made un-chaperoned access and made changes, while the post office claimed they had no access, just a LIE 

[Ked]

Victims continue to get screwed.

 

Meanwhile the rats responsible swan off in the sunset.

Bbc2 newsnight ATM.

 

Blood boiling viewing.

 

[Ked]

On 17/12/2024 at 14:15, Hagar the Horrible said:

The closing statements so far by the lawyers of the conspiracist has just been described as a circular firing squad

 

Fujitsu blaming the post office even though they made un-chaperoned access and made changes, while the post office claimed they had no access, just a LIE 

Scumbags

[periodictabledancer]

On 17/12/2024 at 14:15, Hagar the Horrible said:

The closing statements so far by the lawyers of the conspiracist has just been described as a circular firing squad

 

Fujitsu blaming the post office even though they made un-chaperoned access and made changes, while the post office claimed they had no access, just a LIE 

I doubt theres a business IT system on the planet that doesn't allow its Help Desk and  third party  support teams to access a user's PC. I've worked on some the biggest  global rollouts and it was the case every time that support teams ( 3rd line) had' superuser status' and could perform remote access sessions

( RAS) knows my PC - but these guys were supposed to be vetted and restricted in numbers. 

Problem was, the lawyers didn't understand this until it was too late : they'd prosecuted/jailed hundreds of people by then.  But they understood the legal implications and the career ending that would follow for them.

That's why you never heard from the PO head of IT - she was totally marginalised. But she knew and she understood very well what was going on and what the implications were. But she kept her mouth shut 

Her predecessor was even worse- an arrogant lying pirck. He kept his mouth shut too. 

Ultimately the PO senior leaders and board was deceived by their own lawyers. The lawyers made sure the IT dept never spoke to anyone directly and PO never asked wtf was going on in their own IT dept.

The lawyers literally ran the PO to save their own skin. 

 

[Nookie Bear]

On 13/01/2025 at 22:47, Ked said:

Victims continue to get screwed.

 

Meanwhile the rats responsible swan off in the sunset.

Bbc2 newsnight ATM.

 

Blood boiling viewing.

 

 

Watched this last night.

 

Absolute seethe watching that minister spew that corporate jargon out 

[Ked]

On 15/01/2025 at 11:54, Nookie Bear said:

 

Watched this last night.

 

Absolute seethe watching that minister spew that corporate jargon out 

Horrible response .

More of a sickener than a Tory .

As they pretend .

Blood boiling mate

[Nookie Bear]

10 hours ago, Ked said:

Horrible response .

More of a sickener than a Tory .

As they pretend .

Blood boiling mate

 

Iknow it's naivety but i expect more from a Labour minister but he sounded like a banker trying to explain a dip in the share price. Tosser.

 

I listened to an extended interview with CEO Nick Read a while back and every question to him was met with a "That's a great question...blah blah blah". Patronising and evasive nonsense.