*** Hearts Summer Transfer Thread 2023***

[Ricardo Quaresma]

1 minute ago, weegie jambo said:

A very good assesment of the midfield problems. FWIW I feel Kio was moved on too quickly and on the assumption that Beni would be back and just as good. I also have a good friend who is a Lincoln City fan and absolutely raves about Grant and thought we were lucky to have him!

 

It's a common enough occurence to change formation and players get a raw deal because of it

 

It's all a bit of a juggling act and I don't think RN managed the stuation disastrously, but it did leave grant looking like he was underperforming and predictably vexed about that

[TexasAndy]

15 hours ago, wavydavy said:

 

Calm down no more than a three hour flight to most of these. A bit different to Austarlia, Japan and Costa Rica.

 

Roussett, Adam, Flogel spring to mind immediately.

 

In the 60's and 70's there were loads of Scandanavian players in Scotland. 

Its about context.  Signing players from Europe at that time was a big deal as we usually dealt within Scottish and English markets.  Reaching out to Japan, Australia is no different.  It's about finding value for money.

[wavydavy]

3 hours ago, TexasAndy said:

Its about context.  Signing players from Europe at that time was a big deal as we usually dealt within Scottish and English markets.  Reaching out to Japan, Australia is no different.  It's about finding value for money.

I disagree that it was a big deal. Clubs like Morton were signing Scandanavian players as were Celtic, Rangers, Hearts and others.

 

Time will tell if they are value for money.

 

The other night at the Shareholders dinner Jim Jeffries and Billy Brown didn't get the idea of bringing players in from so far away and they also said there is no way that the Manager has actually watched any of these players in the flesh.

 

It is all about video highlights and stats and we all know how reliable or not those can be.

[SectionDJambo]

3 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

I disagree that it was a big deal. Clubs like Morton were signing Scandanavian players as were Celtic, Rangers, Hearts and others.

 

Time will tell if they are value for money.

 

The other night at the Shareholders dinner Jim Jeffries and Billy Brown didn't get the idea of bringing players in from so far away and they also said there is no way that the Manager has actually watched any of these players in the flesh.

 

It is all about video highlights and stats and we all know how reliable or not those can be.

With all due respect to JJ and BB, it’s highly unlikely that they will have seen Gilles Rousset and Pasquale Bruno before they signed them. Not in a competitive match anyway.

Videos don’t always have to be misleading and there are plenty of ways of assessing players online these days.

Clubs like Hearts have been priced out of the standard of British players that we could pick up 25 years ago, simply because of the crazy wages that lower league English clubs can pay due to the huge tv they receive. 
Money has changed football and not for the betterment of the non “elite” clubs.

[wavydavy]

1 hour ago, SectionDJambo said:

With all due respect to JJ and BB, it’s highly unlikely that they will have seen Gilles Rousset and Pasquale Bruno before they signed them. Not in a competitive match anyway.

Videos don’t always have to be misleading and there are plenty of ways of assessing players online these days.

Clubs like Hearts have been priced out of the standard of British players that we could pick up 25 years ago, simply because of the crazy wages that lower league English clubs can pay due to the huge tv they receive. 
Money has changed football and not for the betterment of the non “elite” clubs.

 

Well with all due respect JJ told a story about him going to watch Stephane Adam and when he got there his agent said sorry butr he is not playing but on the bench.

 

He never got on the park and to cut a long story short JJ said tell him to come over to Hearts for a week long trial so we can look at him and I think you will know the rest of the story.

 

I certainly got the impression that where possible him or Billy Brown made a point of tryingt o see all potential signings in actual games.

 

I think perhaps in the Bruno case when we signed him he was coming to the end of an illustrious career and there may not have been any need to have watched what he could do.

 

I don't agree about us being rpiced out of the market for British players. Frankie Kent looks one of our better signings and we can obviously afford him.

 

I am sure there are plenty more of a similar type to be picked up.

[TexasAndy]

6 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

Well with all due respect JJ told a story about him going to watch Stephane Adam and when he got there his agent said sorry butr he is not playing but on the bench.

 

He never got on the park and to cut a long story short JJ said tell him to come over to Hearts for a week long trial so we can look at him and I think you will know the rest of the story.

 

I certainly got the impression that where possible him or Billy Brown made a point of tryingt o see all potential signings in actual games.

 

I think perhaps in the Bruno case when we signed him he was coming to the end of an illustrious career and there may not have been any need to have watched what he could do.

 

I don't agree about us being rpiced out of the market for British players. Frankie Kent looks one of our better signings and we can obviously afford him.

 

I am sure there are plenty more of a similar type to be picked up.

With all due respect to this debate I think what's obvious is that we are operating in a different market from 25 years ago.  The point made about it being more difficult to buy good British players due to the TV money in England is undeniable.  Of course you will get one or two players but I think clubs like ours are having to spread the net further afield to try and get value for money.  Time will tell if has been a wise thing to do but it is what it is.

[hisnameis]

51 minutes ago, TexasAndy said:

With all due respect to this debate I think what's obvious is that we are operating in a different market from 25 years ago.  The point made about it being more difficult to buy good British players due to the TV money in England is undeniable.  Of course you will get one or two players but I think clubs like ours are having to spread the net further afield to try and get value for money.  Time will tell if has been a wise thing to do but it is what it is.

It is a different market. Especially with regard how tiny clubs down south can outbid much larger clubs up here because of TV money. However, I think they see teams like Motherwell and St Mirren picking up players for far less than we pay which are of a similar standard or better without having to recruit from half way round the world. Can we honestly say the players we have recruited from the A league have improved our squad. Newy may be a great signing, time will tell, but the other three are largely unimpressive. 

[kingantti1874]

13 minutes ago, hisnameis said:

It is a different market. Especially with regard how tiny clubs down south can outbid much larger clubs up here because of TV money. However, I think they see teams like Motherwell and St Mirren picking up players for far less than we pay which are of a similar standard or better without having to recruit from half way round the world. Can we honestly say the players we have recruited from the A league have improved our squad. Newy may be a great signing, time will tell, but the other three are largely unimpressive. 

how are they picking up better players when we finish above them 

[wavydavy]

1 hour ago, TexasAndy said:

With all due respect to this debate I think what's obvious is that we are operating in a different market from 25 years ago.  The point made about it being more difficult to buy good British players due to the TV money in England is undeniable.  Of course you will get one or two players but I think clubs like ours are having to spread the net further afield to try and get value for money.  Time will tell if has been a wise thing to do but it is what it is.

 

I don't have a problem with spreading the net to find affordable players. I just don't think that we are doing a very good job at it.

 

Part of my point and the purpose behind the JJ story is that too much emphasios is being put on stats for players.

 

That can maybve be a guide to go and have a look at certain ones that maybe fit what you are looking for but I just feel we are too dependent on that now without really watching them play.

 

A prime example of this was Kio. I said I didn't like the look of him but it was early days and we had to give the guy a chance.

 

The minute I posted my thoughts I had all the stato guys flooding the thread with pages of stats which on reading them looked good but I never saw him producing anything that I liked.

 

I suppose it could be argued that maybe he wasn't given as long as some would have liked but I think the fact we took the chance to move him on tells it's own story

[davemclaren]

1 hour ago, wavydavy said:

 

I don't have a problem with spreading the net to find affordable players. I just don't think that we are doing a very good job at it.

 

Part of my point and the purpose behind the JJ story is that too much emphasios is being put on stats for players.

 

That can maybve be a guide to go and have a look at certain ones that maybe fit what you are looking for but I just feel we are too dependent on that now without really watching them play.

 

A prime example of this was Kio. I said I didn't like the look of him but it was early days and we had to give the guy a chance.

 

The minute I posted my thoughts I had all the stato guys flooding the thread with pages of stats which on reading them looked good but I never saw him producing anything that I liked.

 

I suppose it could be argued that maybe he wasn't given as long as some would have liked but I think the fact we took the chance to move him on tells it's own story

To be fair we, and other clubs, signed plenty duds in the days before the internet and wide ranging data analytics.  Even JJ signed some notable duds. 

[wavydavy]

26 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

To be fair we, and other clubs, signed plenty duds in the days before the internet and wide ranging data analytics.  Even JJ signed some notable duds. 

 

I don't think there is a manger in football who hasn't signed a dud at some point.

[Colonel Kurtz]

5 hours ago, wavydavy said:

 

Well with all due respect JJ told a story about him going to watch Stephane Adam and when he got there his agent said sorry butr he is not playing but on the bench.

 

He never got on the park and to cut a long story short JJ said tell him to come over to Hearts for a week long trial so we can look at him and I think you will know the rest of the story.

 

I certainly got the impression that where possible him or Billy Brown made a point of tryingt o see all potential signings in actual games.

 

I think perhaps in the Bruno case when we signed him he was coming to the end of an illustrious career and there may not have been any need to have watched what he could do.

 

I don't agree about us being rpiced out of the market for British players. Frankie Kent looks one of our better signings and we can obviously afford him.

 

I am sure there are plenty more of a similar type to be picked up.

He didnt go and see Gordon Petric

Or do much research as his nickname in Greece was THe Snail

[PTBCAL]

Seemingly after a recently released FB from Blackburn 

[feej]

17 minutes ago, PTBCAL said:

Seemingly after a recently released FB from Blackburn 

Nyambe was at Blackburn before a stint at Wigan.

[hisnameis]

8 hours ago, kingantti1874 said:

how are they picking up better players when we finish above them 

Some of their players are better than ours, Van Veen , O'Hara , Strain, Baccus, not forgetting the likes of McGinn Alan Campbell , David Turnbull from recent years would they have sold on for a decent money . They also have or have recently had several players who are of similar ability to ours. The difference is often we can afford a bigger squad of first team players where as they have to supplement their squads with youngsters. 

Given our budget and theirs would you say there was a gulf in the teams last weekend? Both Motherwell and St Mirren are currently above us in the league.

[wavydavy]

5 hours ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

He didnt go and see Gordon Petric

Or do much research as his nickname in Greece was THe Snail

 

I never suggested he watched every player he signed. If you have a look at my comment I said he looked at players where possible.

 

I wasn't suggesting that he didn't make some bad signings either.

 

 

[Saint Jambo]

21 minutes ago, hisnameis said:

Some of their players are better than ours, Van Veen , O'Hara , Strain, Baccus, not forgetting the likes of McGinn Alan Campbell , David Turnbull from recent years would they have sold on for a decent money . They also have or have recently had several players who are of similar ability to ours. The difference is often we can afford a bigger squad of first team players where as they have to supplement their squads with youngsters. 

Given our budget and theirs would you say there was a gulf in the teams last weekend? Both Motherwell and St Mirren are currently above us in the league.

 

The argument you were responding to was that those clubs were signing better players in the transfer market without having to buy from half way around the world.

 

So McGinn, Campbell and Turnbull don't fit that argument as they came through youth development rather than being brought in from other clubs.

 

Strain and Baccus on the other hand show that the argument was totally flawed as they came from the Australia league, in one case via Israel. So these clubs are also looking at far flung places to sign players.

[Aussie Jambo]

6 hours ago, wavydavy said:

 

I don't think there is a manger in football who hasn't signed a dud at some point.

El Jeebus Senior. 

[hisnameis]

16 minutes ago, Saint Jambo said:

 

The argument you were responding to was that those clubs were signing better players in the transfer market without having to buy from half way around the world.

 

So McGinn, Campbell and Turnbull don't fit that argument as they came through youth development rather than being brought in from other clubs.

 

Strain and Baccus on the other hand show that the argument was totally flawed as they came from the Australia league, in one case via Israel. So these clubs are also looking at far flung places to sign players.

Whether they come through academy or not they are recruited. I am not against recruiting from across the world if it is better than what we could get locally. Our Aussie are of poor Quality and not physically up to the rigours of Scottish football. 

[Mikey1874]

12 hours ago, SectionDJambo said:

With all due respect to JJ and BB, it’s highly unlikely that they will have seen Gilles Rousset and Pasquale Bruno before they signed them. Not in a competitive match anyway.

Videos don’t always have to be misleading and there are plenty of ways of assessing players online these days.

Clubs like Hearts have been priced out of the standard of British players that we could pick up 25 years ago, simply because of the crazy wages that lower league English clubs can pay due to the huge tv they receive. 
Money has changed football and not for the betterment of the non “elite” clubs.

 

Fitzroy Simpson was going to help Hearts win the league according to the geniuses. 

[Mikey1874]

Anyway just Turkey to worry about

 

 

[Batistuta9]

12 hours ago, PTBCAL said:

Seemingly after a recently released FB from Blackburn 

Has to be Ryan Nyambe? Was released by Blackburn last season but he's the only free agent RB I can find who has even played for them.

 

Edited September 8, 2023 by Batistuta87

[Legend Claws]

15 hours ago, PTBCAL said:

Seemingly after a recently released FB from Blackburn ok, ill

Ok, I'll do it. Source?

[pettigrewsstylist]

On 07/09/2023 at 11:25, SectionDJambo said:

With all due respect to JJ and BB, it’s highly unlikely that they will have seen Gilles Rousset and Pasquale Bruno before they signed them. Not in a competitive match anyway.

Videos don’t always have to be misleading and there are plenty of ways of assessing players online these days.

Clubs like Hearts have been priced out of the standard of British players that we could pick up 25 years ago, simply because of the crazy wages that lower league English clubs can pay due to the huge tv they receive. 
Money has changed football and not for the betterment of the non “elite” clubs.

Did Bruno not have about 400 appearances in Italy on arrival in gorgie? Hardly comparable. 

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

18 hours ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

He didnt go and see Gordon Petric

Or do much research as his nickname in Greece was THe Snail

 

Gordan Petric, the former Dundee Utd and Rangers player.

[Hungry hippo]

3 hours ago, Batistuta87 said:

Has to be Ryan Nyambe? Was released by Blackburn last season but he's the only free agent RB I can find who has even played for them.

 

 

He's played plenty games so you would think he's a decent standard.

[bloomtime]

17 minutes ago, pettigrewsstylist said:

Did Bruno not have about 400 appearances in Italy on arrival in gorgie? Hardly comparable. 

Loved Bruno total nutter id love to have him in our dressing room nowadays with these bottlers.

[pettigrewsstylist]

7 minutes ago, colinmorewasgash said:

Loved Bruno total nutter id love to have him in our dressing room nowadays with these bottlers.

Half of them would never be off treatment table, hiding.

[JamboAl]

29 minutes ago, colinmorewasgash said:

Loved Bruno total nutter id love to have him in our dressing room nowadays with these bottlers.

 

He wouldn't be on the field for 5 minutes with the current incompetent crop of weegie refs.

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

34 minutes ago, pettigrewsstylist said:

Half of them would never be off treatment table, hiding.

As much as fingers are pointed at management, players will to achieve is far more of an issue for me. Who can motivate the modern day player?

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

44 minutes ago, colinmorewasgash said:

Loved Bruno total nutter id love to have him in our dressing room nowadays with these bottlers.

It kind of looks like he's holding a gun to him with his left hand 

[Korky]

1 hour ago, colinmorewasgash said:

Loved Bruno total nutter id love to have him in our dressing room nowadays with these bottlers.

Just a shame he was no longer able to run as we saw in the 3-4 league cup final against the huns.

[JP Morgan]

11 minutes ago, Korky said:

Just a shame he was no longer able to run as we saw in the 3-4 league cup final against the huns.

Watched the highlights of that yesterday as saw Gascoigne in Bournemouth and his goals in that game (at least one of them) were down to Bruno.

[bloomtime]

21 minutes ago, Korky said:

Just a shame he was no longer able to run as we saw in the 3-4 league cup final against the huns.

Yep he was finished really plus it wasnt bad hun team mind you he only played cause of an injury if my mind is right but character none the less still better than rowles.

[Horatio Caine]

2 hours ago, Lord Beni of Gorgie said:

As much as fingers are pointed at management, players will to achieve is far more of an issue for me. Who can motivate the modern day player?

Postecogolu seems to manage. Think it's called 'fear'.

Edited September 8, 2023 by Horatio Caine

[pettigrewsstylist]

2 hours ago, Lord Beni of Gorgie said:

As much as fingers are pointed at management, players will to achieve is far more of an issue for me. Who can motivate the modern day player?

Bonuses.

[db211833]

Would Matt Lowton be a ridiculous suggestion for a season?

Old but loads of experience.  Maybe the pace of the game would be too much.

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

1 hour ago, Horatio Caine said:

Postecogolu seems to manage. Think it's called 'fear'.

Doesn't suffer fools for sure 

[Ricardo Quaresma]

21 hours ago, Hungry hippo said:

He's played plenty games so you would think he's a decent standard.

 

Stats I've seen for him are pretty impressive; great attributes for RB & decent for CB; similar to Offiah, very similar

 

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Edited September 9, 2023 by Ricardo Quaresma

[wavydavy]

On 07/09/2023 at 23:28, Aussie Jambo said:

El Jeebus Senior. 

 🤣

[Spookie]

Turnbulls career has majorly stalled at Smeltic 

 

Cheeky wee 250k offer, he must be close to being out of contract and is nowhere near that first team under Rogers 

[GinRummy]

16 minutes ago, Spookie said:

Turnbulls career has majorly stalled at Smeltic 

 

Cheeky wee 250k offer, he must be close to being out of contract and is nowhere near that first team under Rogers 

Great bump. 

[RustyRightPeg]

1 hour ago, Spookie said:

Turnbulls career has majorly stalled at Smeltic 

 

Cheeky wee 250k offer, he must be close to being out of contract and is nowhere near that first team under Rogers 

Turnbull signed for Cardiff in January so that’s a good start. £2M. 

[Spookie]

3 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said:

Turnbull signed for Cardiff in January so that’s a good start. £2M. 

Of FFS I've had a mare here 🙃