*** Hearts Summer Transfer Thread 2023***

[Batistuta9]

Can we get Gino a new deal please? 

Thanks 👌🏻

[selkirkhmfc1874]

8 hours ago, Batistuta87 said:

Can we get Gino a new deal please? 

Thanks 👌🏻

Been no offer so far , Scott Wilson asked him in hospitality yesterday and he said you'll have to ask Joe but nothing yet as far as he's concerned 

[MattyK82]

 

[Carter]

Could be a bit of movement outward. Significant offer incoming for one player from overseas. 

[Sub4TiddlerMurray]

On 02/03/2023 at 08:55, Chimp said:

 

Great depth if we had those 3. However if it would have to be Beni and Campbell starting if we did. Those in 2 are superior to Devlin. Every one of them tenacious but the former are better footballers and far more technical with more in their locker.

 

All of this is hypothetical of course, as much as Campbell would be a superb signing I'm not sure we'd be able to get him if he did become available. I'm sure he'd have plenty of interest in England with teams able to offer a lot higher wages than us. 

Nonsense. Devlin is an outstanding talent who bleeds Hearts. Love his attitude. Alongside Beni and Snoddy we’d have by far the best midfield outside the OF.

[Jambo dans les Pyrenees]

1 hour ago, Carter said:

Could be a bit of movement outward. Significant offer incoming for one player from overseas. 

Spill more beans please.

 

Defender, Midfielder, Forward?

 

More than a million?  More than a couple?

 

Where overseas?  

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

23 minutes ago, Queensland Jambo said:

Spill more beans please.

 

Defender, Midfielder, Forward?

 

More than a million?  More than a couple?

 

Where overseas?  

Cochrane, Italy.

(Guess)

[Carter]

25 minutes ago, Smithee said:

Cochrane, Italy.

(Guess)

No idea about Cochrane. Interest in McKay. 

[johnking123]

Rowles 

[Star Lizard]

5 hours ago, Carter said:

No idea about Cochrane. Interest in McKay. 

 

7 minutes ago, johnking123 said:

Rowles 

I expect we could lose a couple in the summer so that makes it a really important window . Seen so many good Hearts teams fall apart when a couple of key players are sold . If we lost McKay and Rowles in the same window and potentially another key player then who we bring in just to stand still suddenly becomes way more important than before . Think Jefferies in 98 or Joe Jordan getting rid of Crabbe and bringing in Preston . The 2006 team once the Riccarton 3 and Skacel were no longer here . Hope fully we are in a far better place to manage a situation like that now but even with good money coming in it is a difficult one to balance 

[Jambo dans les Pyrenees]

We’d miss McKay but £3-4m would likely mean we could tie up our existing players, bring through others (Forrest?) and maybe buy ourselves.  You can see given some of his technical play why a club in say Séria A would think he could do well for them, so much more time and space for him there too.

[pettigrewsstylist]

10 hours ago, MattyK82 said:

 

Unsurprising. He was also key in the result away in Riga.

In Savage we trust.

[Penrices left boot]

2 brand new proper centre midfielders and a new rwb and I'd be happy.

Jack would be one if he's available.

 

Oh, And replace anyone from our first 18 who is leaving. 

 

 

 

 

[Carter]

1 hour ago, Queensland Jambo said:

We’d miss McKay but £3-4m would likely mean we could tie up our existing players, bring through others (Forrest?) and maybe buy ourselves.  You can see given some of his technical play why a club in say Séria A would think he could do well for them, so much more time and space for him there too.

Don't believe the interested club for McKay are based in Europe. 

[Midloth_Iain]

1 hour ago, johnking123 said:

Rowles 

 

£8 million please

[heartsfc_fan]

26 minutes ago, Carter said:

Don't believe the interested club for McKay are based in Europe. 

America?

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

I'd miss Barrie much. Gino needs fixed soon though, totally deserved

[The Old Tolbooth]

Surely the interest has to be either Rowles or Shanks, I don't see anyone else going for a significant sum of money right now apart from maybe Cochrane, when I say significant, I mean over £3m. 

[Absolute Scenes]

Shanks is on target to hit around 25, 26 goals. Considering the money Hibs were touting for Nisbett in his one good season, we should be looking at double that. 4 million at least

[Chimp]

10 hours ago, Sub4TiddlerMurray said:

Nonsense. Devlin is an outstanding talent who bleeds Hearts. Love his attitude. Alongside Beni and Snoddy we’d have by far the best midfield outside the OF.

 

How is it nonsense 😂 "outstanding talent" .... calm down mate he's good for our level and gives 100% but that's a bit of a push.

 

You talk about attitude, Campbell's is also superb. You obviously haven't watched much of him if you can't see that overall he is a better player. 

[Chimp]

26 minutes ago, The Old Tolbooth said:

Surely the interest has to be either Rowles or Shanks, I don't see anyone else going for a significant sum of money right now apart from maybe Cochrane, when I say significant, I mean over £3m. 

 

I'd be saying Rowles.

 

Not so sure about Shankland. Can't forget a European team just paid £1M for him not long ago and other clubs will probably take note of the fact it didn't really work out for him there. That's not to say it won't happen especially if he keeps scoring but that might have an effect.

[RustyRightPeg]

2 hours ago, Bazzas right boot said:

2 brand new proper centre midfielders and a new rwb and I'd be happy.

Jack would be one if he's available.

 

Oh, And replace anyone from our first 18 who is leaving. 

 

 

 

 

Jack who? 

[Batistuta9]

14 minutes ago, Chimp said:

 

I'd be saying Rowles.

 

Not so sure about Shankland. Can't forget a European team just paid £1M for him not long ago and other clubs will probably take note of the fact it didn't really work out for him there. That's not to say it won't happen especially if he keeps scoring but that might have an effect.

Same. Shankland is here for the long run. One of those where his age and his time in Europe will mean that teams won't pay top dollar for him - and anything they do offer will probably not be enough for us to be willing to sell. There's no way we'd accept £1M for him for example but I can't see teams offering much more. 

 

Just now, RustyRightPeg said:

Jack who? 

Assuming Ryan Jack.

 

[Naisys Tackle]

£3-£4m for  McKay?  Serie a?  

[gorgieheart]

12 hours ago, Carter said:

Could be a bit of movement outward. Significant offer incoming for one player from overseas. 

SO, THE OFFER IS FROM OVERSEAS, OR THE PLAYER IS ?   

[Star Lizard]

3 hours ago, pettigrewsstylist said:

Unsurprising. He was also key in the result away in Riga.

In Savage we trust.

 

And yet throughout this season people have been posting about how we should get rid of him along with GMS 

[Star Lizard]

Ah but I just scrolled up after I commented and I notice this whole last page has turned in to another Hearts fans mocking other Hearts supporters for wanting reasonable sums of money for players like McKay . The need by some to run down Hearts players financially when other teams fans over inflate their players value remains a complete mystery to me . Really quite shite behavior 

[Naisys Tackle]

7 minutes ago, Sooks said:

Ah but I just scrolled up after I commented and I notice this whole last page has turned in to another Hearts fans mocking other Hearts supporters for wanting reasonable sums of money for players like McKay . The need by some to run down Hearts players financially when other teams fans over inflate their players value remains a complete mystery to me . Really quite shite behavior 

£3-£4m for a player who looks not bad to good at our level and we got on a free is reasonable?  Seriously?  If that's case I would dread to think what Wigans valuation of Humphrys would be then.  There's not a chance any team bids more than £1m for Barrie.

 

It' not running down a player in any way either.  It's a reaction to an utterly ridiculous suggestion.  

[Cameronstheman]

Maybe Cochrane 

[TheBigO]

5 minutes ago, Robbies Tackle said:

£3-£4m for a player who looks not bad to good at our level and we got on a free is reasonable?  Seriously?  If that's case I would dread to think what Wigans valuation of Humphrys would be then.  There's not a chance any team bids more than £1m for Barrie.

 

It' not running down a player in any way either.  It's a reaction to an utterly ridiculous suggestion.  

There's a happy medium I guess.  I think Hearts are now in a position and of a mind to say "nope, you'll pay our asking price and its based on English Championship level" or something along these lines.

 

Barrie McKay playing in English Championship with his stats and highlight reel alone would be worth well in to 7 figs.  Even L1, depending on his contract.  I know he's been there already etc, but he was younger, he'd probably say he's a more rounded player now for all his experiences.

 

Yes, realism required, but if Hibs and Aberdeen are quoting silly silly money for shite (and it occasionally pays off!) why shouldn't we for better players?

 

Our whole club needs a bit more arrogance frankly.  Puff the chest out a bit, man.

[Sub4TiddlerMurray]

1 hour ago, Chimp said:

 

How is it nonsense 😂 "outstanding talent" .... calm down mate he's good for our level and gives 100% but that's a bit of a push.

 

You talk about attitude, Campbell's is also superb. You obviously haven't watched much of him if you can't see that overall he is a better player. 

 

I have watched Campbell (when he played in Scotland) probably every bit as much as you have. He's a very good player. Can't say I've paid any attention to him when he's been off form but obviously he stood out when he played well. I've seen some brilliant play from Devlin and for me he's a better player.

 

But you pick Campbell for your team, I'll choose Devlin every time.

[Chimp]

17 minutes ago, Robbies Tackle said:

£3-£4m for a player who looks not bad to good at our level and we got on a free is reasonable?  Seriously?  If that's case I would dread to think what Wigans valuation of Humphrys would be then.  There's not a chance any team bids more than £1m for Barrie.

 

It' not running down a player in any way either.  It's a reaction to an utterly ridiculous suggestion.  

 

Agree. If McKay did it every week and showed up in the big games then yes you could absolutely see us getting over £3M. I rate McKay highly btw, he's a wee magician that creates something out of nothing and we're lucky to have him but I think someone would have put a big offer in by now if he was more consistent.

 

It's all good and well saying we should be over inflating our players but you also have to be a bit realistic. There's a difference between saying we should be holding out for large sums like that (which I do think we should as we're in a position to now)... and saying what you think a team actually would be likely to offer.

 

Edited March 8, 2023 by Chimp

[Naisys Tackle]

3 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

There's a happy medium I guess.  I think Hearts are now in a position and of a mind to say "nope, you'll pay our asking price and its based on English Championship level" or something along these lines.

 

Barrie McKay playing in English Championship with his stats and highlight reel alone would be worth well in to 7 figs.  Even L1, depending on his contract.  I know he's been there already etc, but he was younger, he'd probably say he's a more rounded player now for all his experiences.

 

Yes, realism required, but if Hibs and Aberdeen are quoting silly silly money for shite (and it occasionally pays off!) why shouldn't we for better players?

 

Our whole club needs a bit more arrogance frankly.  Puff the chest out a bit, man.

There's a lot of players at the club I would classify in the above bracket.  McKay I couldn't see any club come in and offer more than £1m due to his age and inconsistency.  If he was a stand out tearing it up on a weekly basis then maybe, clubs wouldn't be investing in potential either.

[Naisys Tackle]

1 minute ago, Chimp said:

 

Agree. If McKay did it every week and showed up in the big games then yes you could absolutely see us getting over £3M. I rate McKay highly btw, he's a wee magician that creates something out of nothing and we're lucky to have him but I think someone would have put a big offer in by now if he was more consistent.

 

It's all good and well saying we should be over inflating our players but you also have to be a bit realistic. There's a difference between saying we should be holding out for large sums like that (wish I do think we should as we're in a position to now)... and saying what you think a team actually would be likely to offer.

 

Totally. 

[Chimp]

8 minutes ago, Sub4TiddlerMurray said:

 

I have watched Campbell (when he played in Scotland) probably every bit as much as you have. He's a very good player. Can't say I've paid any attention to him when he's been off form but obviously he stood out when he played well. I've seen some brilliant play from Devlin and for me he's a better player.

 

But you pick Campbell for your team, I'll choose Devlin every time.

 

Think you might have the maroon tinted specs on there mate. Fair enough though it's all about opinions.

[Rods]

Cochrane was on Southampton radar I believe. 

 

I think him and Rowles, maybe Sibbick are our most sellable assets and also could replace with decent cash.

 

 

[Batistuta9]

38 minutes ago, Sooks said:

 

And yet throughout this season people have been posting about how we should get rid of him along with GMS 

 

Certain age groups within our support absolutely detest players who are a bit flamboyant, a bit different, and who have a bit of arrogance about them. Gino rocking up at 23yo with a bit of an attitude, dreadlocks, a beard, and bright pink boots will have been more than enough for that lot to immediately dislike him and to never change their minds. 

 

[TheBigO]

9 minutes ago, Rods said:

Cochrane was on Southampton radar I believe. 

 

I think him and Rowles, maybe Sibbick are our most sellable assets and also could replace with decent cash.

 

 

I think that's the thing, they're all good, but I'm not sure they break our team if leave.  We really arent a one man team, like many are.

 

Don't get me wrong, each would be a loss and would need some replacing and if we lost 3 of that quality at once, it'd be very tricky, but our injuries this season have shown our decent depth which will itself only improve.  I'd think we'll have ducks well and truly lined up for many given scenarios.

 

I really, really like Alex Cochrane and my 100% pref is to have him at Hearts while he matures in to a top top player, another 3 years say.  But if he goes, can we replace and improve on him? It doesn't seem outlandish does it?  There's jeopardy in every signing of course.  But we lost Souttar and brought in Rowles.  That's not bad.  Not bad at all.  We needed a CF and brought in Shanks.  We needed GK backup and brought in Zander.  Surely big shout now as Scotland's number 9 and number 1?

 

So I think we're going to be A OK.  Player sales will be accounted for in plans.  But not accounted for in the accounts! So every penny, while I don't WANT it from player sales, will be a bonus and against drive us forward and further beyond "the rest"

[Chimp]

6 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said:

 

Certain age groups within our support absolutely detest players who are a bit flamboyant, a bit different, and who have a bit of arrogance about them. Gino rocking up at 23yo with a bit of an attitude, dreadlocks, a beard, and bright pink boots will have been more than enough for that lot to immediately dislike him and to never change their minds. 

 

 

Never understood that. Most of the best players there's ever been have had a bit of arrogance about them. It's a trait I absolutely love in a player.

[TheBigO]

32 minutes ago, Robbies Tackle said:

There's a lot of players at the club I would classify in the above bracket.  McKay I couldn't see any club come in and offer more than £1m due to his age and inconsistency.  If he was a stand out tearing it up on a weekly basis then maybe, clubs wouldn't be investing in potential either.

His age counts against a big fee yes, but I also think people need to slightly realign their concept of age in football.   30 no longer means what it used to.  Today's 32/33 is the new 30!

 

So while no one would buy potential in Barrie, they'd be buying someone who has experience under his belt and has "clicked" in the last season or two performing every week.  That resilience to play every week for a winger/10 is a sought after commodity.  Also scouting often about a skillset and how it fits your system.  If someone sees him as a final piece of jigsaw, you just never know.

 

I'm not saying we'll get £3m for Barrie, I hope we get nowt and we get the very best out of him ourselves frankly, but all I'm saying is you just never now what a player is worth.  Seen shite go for millions, seen players I've rated go for pennies. I don't think Hearts will let the latter happen these days.

[i wish jj was my dad]

4 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

I think that's the thing, they're all good, but I'm not sure they break our team if leave.  We really arent a one man team, like many are.

 

Don't get me wrong, each would be a loss and would need some replacing and if we lost 3 of that quality at once, it'd be very tricky, but our injuries this season have shown our decent depth which will itself only improve.  I'd think we'll have ducks well and truly lined up for many given scenarios.

 

I really, really like Alex Cochrane and my 100% pref is to have him at Hearts while he matures in to a top top player, another 3 years say.  But if he goes, can we replace and improve on him? It doesn't seem outlandish does it?  There's jeopardy in every signing of course.  But we lost Souttar and brought in Rowles.  That's not bad.  Not bad at all.  We needed a CF and brought in Shanks.  We needed GK backup and brought in Zander.  Surely big shout now as Scotland's number 9 and number 1?

 

So I think we're going to be A OK.  Player sales will be accounted for in plans.  But not accounted for in the accounts! So every penny, while I don't WANT it from player sales, will be a bonus and against drive us forward and further beyond "the rest"

Very good post. This is the strongest SQUAD I can remember. For me our biggest loss is Halkett who is far from our best player but the hardest to replace. We look very, very durable and resilient to losing any of our better players, particularly if they go for 7 figures. 

[TheBigO]

4 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

Very good post. This is the strongest SQUAD I can remember. For me our biggest loss is Halkett who is far from our best player but the hardest to replace. We look very, very durable and resilient to losing any of our better players, particularly if they go for 7 figures. 

Absolutely agree on Halkett, argument could be made he's our most influencial player, if not "best".

 

Everything crossed he's back properly next season.  It'll, erm, be like a, ehm, new signing.  Shit.  Sorry, but it will!!

[Carter]

1 hour ago, gorgieheart said:

SO, THE OFFER IS FROM OVERSEAS, OR THE PLAYER IS ?   

McKay 

[Star Lizard]

1 hour ago, Chimp said:

 

Agree. If McKay did it every week and showed up in the big games then yes you could absolutely see us getting over £3M. I rate McKay highly btw, he's a wee magician that creates something out of nothing and we're lucky to have him but I think someone would have put a big offer in by now if he was more consistent.

 

It's all good and well saying we should be over inflating our players but you also have to be a bit realistic. There's a difference between saying we should be holding out for large sums like that (which I do think we should as we're in a position to now)... and saying what you think a team actually would be likely to offer.

 

 

Savage and McKinlay have both gone on record recently to point out that we get the absolute knickers whipped off us in transfer fees , and that we would rather keep a good player for the duration of their contract than let them go for small beer . I would imagine this applies to McKay who would be far more valuable to us on the pitch than a 1 - 2 million fee spread over three seasons . £3 million is a perfectly fair price when you look at the fees other players are going for in his kind of ability range and I am pretty confident the club agree 

[Pasquale for King]

24 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

Absolutely agree on Halkett, argument could be made he's our most influencial player, if not "best".

 

Everything crossed he's back properly next season.  It'll, erm, be like a, ehm, new signing.  Shit.  Sorry, but it will!!

We will be lucky to see him this year and with his injury history he might not be a player we can rely on moving forward. Just when he was playing his best football of his career too. Lets hope that he comes back better and stronger though. 

[Chimp]

2 minutes ago, Sooks said:

 

Savage and McKinlay have both gone on record recently to point out that we get the absolute knickers whipped off us in transfer fees , and that we would rather keep a good player for the duration of their contract than let them go for small beer . I would imagine this applies to McKay who would be far more valuable to us on the pitch than a 1 - 2 million fee spread over three seasons . £3 million is a perfectly fair price when you look at the fees other players are going for in his kind of ability range and I am pretty confident the club agree 

 

You're missing my point, thought I'd explained it clearly enough. I don't expect us to take offers of around £1M. I'm not talking about what's fair, I'm talking about what other clubs would realistically be likely to offer.

[Pasquale for King]

McKay is in his prime, a more technical league may well suit him. As long as we get a decent fee as he's got two more years left i don't see us standing in anyones way really. 

[Star Lizard]

13 minutes ago, Chimp said:

 

You're missing my point, thought I'd explained it clearly enough. I don't expect us to take offers of around £1M. I'm not talking about what's fair, I'm talking about what other clubs would realistically be likely to offer.

Im not missing any point because it was originally me who was making the point that prompted the reply that you then responded to . I think you are wrong about what clubs would pay for McKay and I am totally certain they would pay more than £1m . Yes some clubs would attempt to take the piss with a shite low ball offer like that but there are others who would pay a good bit more imo and closer to the £3m that @Queensland Jamboposted which prompted the silly emojis from Robbie’s Tackle . That will be the view of the club too and we will only start seeing such valuations realised when we stop accepting shit offers 

 

All conjecture on both sides of the valuation debate of course but £3m in no way was deserving of wideo know it all responses or your arrogant  I thought I’d explained it clear enough shit 🙂 

 

You explained your opinion perfectly clearly , I just disagree with it 

 

 

Edited March 8, 2023 by Sooks

[pettigrewsstylist]

1 hour ago, Sooks said:

 

And yet throughout this season people have been posting about how we should get rid of him along with GMS 

Did you just mention them in same sentence? 🙈

[RustyRightPeg]

2 hours ago, Batistuta87 said:

 

Assuming Ryan Jack.

 

I hope not. Misses 5 games for everyone he plays. Expensive risk.