*** Hearts Summer Transfer Thread 2023***

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

9 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said:

Lennon Miller is attracting interest too. He’s 16 I’m sure. Again shows how little chance Scottish clubs have of retaining talent in the current climate. 

Which is a pity, wider argument, you have Doncaster today eulogising over how Scotland remains at the top of people watching our game, per head capita, yet he hasn't sold it well enough outside of our borders to get the finances to keep these guys and grow our product further

[TheBigO]

25 minutes ago, Lord Beni of Gorgie said:

Which is a pity, wider argument, you have Doncaster today eulogising over how Scotland remains at the top of people watching our game, per head capita, yet he hasn't sold it well enough outside of our borders to get the finances to keep these guys and grow our product further

Spot on.  The guy is a joke.

 

I'm still reeling from our TV income PER GAME being lauded.  Erm.  yeh that's the important bit.  aye.

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

9 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

Spot on.  The guy is a joke.

 

I'm still reeling from our TV income PER GAME being lauded.  Erm.  yeh that's the important bit.  aye.

And yet we keep extending his stay

[Jammy T]

Fairly amusing that Bologna scouts were noshing on pies at Cove Rangers earlier this season...

[Naisys Tackle]

16 hours ago, RustyRightPeg said:

Lennon Miller is attracting interest too. He’s 16 I’m sure. Again shows how little chance Scottish clubs have of retaining talent in the current climate. 

Lee Millers boy.  Meant to be a shit hot prospect.

[Naisys Tackle]

15 hours ago, Jammy T said:

Fairly amusing that Bologna scouts were noshing on pies at Cove Rangers earlier this season...

 

[Cruyff]

Italian clubs are all over the Scottish football given the value for money they've got for Henderson, Hickey and Doig. No snobbery from them, there's some good talents here, Max Johnstone is certainly one of them. 

[Chimp]

3 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

Italian clubs are all over the Scottish football given the value for money they've got for Henderson, Hickey and Doig. No snobbery from them, there's some good talents here, Max Johnstone is certainly one of them. 

Surely only a matter of time before other top European leagues start sniffing about our players too. The fee Bologna received for Hickey and Juve/Milan's interest in Ferguson and Doig won't be going unnoticed. 

[TheBigO]

42 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

Italian clubs are all over the Scottish football given the value for money they've got for Henderson, Hickey and Doig. No snobbery from them, there's some good talents here, Max Johnstone is certainly one of them. 

Yup we have plenty boys with the raw talent, always have.  We've always more or less held our own at youth levels.  It's the transition from 17/18 to full grown up pro we stuggle at in Scotland.  Basically once the dinosaurs at the top of our game start effecting things!  So no reserves/u23s, small leagues with splits and 4 games against eachother, a lack of finance in the top league meaning professional facilities are poor, frankly the lack of true professionalism where diet and conditioning is still miles behind.

 

If teams can cherry pick the top 17/18 yearolds like I duno Ramsey, Doak, these lads, they could be on to very low risk high rewards recruitment.  So teams need to do like Aberdeen did with Ramsey and to an extent Rangers with Patterson and give them game time to up the value but then for a lot of teams, the reasons above could make this tricky.

[Batistuta9]

2 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

Yup we have plenty boys with the raw talent, always have.  We've always more or less held our own at youth levels.  It's the transition from 17/18 to full grown up pro we stuggle at in Scotland.  Basically once the dinosaurs at the top of our game start effecting things!  So no reserves/u23s, small leagues with splits and 4 games against eachother, a lack of finance in the top league meaning professional facilities are poor, frankly the lack of true professionalism where diet and conditioning is still miles behind.

 

If teams can cherry pick the top 17/18 yearolds like I duno Ramsey, Doak, these lads, they could be on to very low risk high rewards recruitment.  So teams need to do like Aberdeen did with Ramsey and to an extent Rangers with Patterson and give them game time to up the value but then for a lot of teams, the reasons above could make this tricky.

great post 

[Naisys Tackle]

Allan Campbell not getting a game at Luton.  Would be an outstanding signing. 

[Star Lizard]

6 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

Yup we have plenty boys with the raw talent, always have.  We've always more or less held our own at youth levels.  It's the transition from 17/18 to full grown up pro we stuggle at in Scotland.  Basically once the dinosaurs at the top of our game start effecting things!  So no reserves/u23s, small leagues with splits and 4 games against eachother, a lack of finance in the top league meaning professional facilities are poor, frankly the lack of true professionalism where diet and conditioning is still miles behind.

 

If teams can cherry pick the top 17/18 yearolds like I duno Ramsey, Doak, these lads, they could be on to very low risk high rewards recruitment.  So teams need to do like Aberdeen did with Ramsey and to an extent Rangers with Patterson and give them game time to up the value but then for a lot of teams, the reasons above could make this tricky.

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[Star Lizard]

1 minute ago, Robbies Tackle said:

Allan Campbell not getting a game at Luton.  Would be an outstanding signing. 

Would like him . Whats the story with Fuchs at Peterborough? I had a look a few months back and he had hardly played . Is he injured ? He is another I would like us to sign 

[Batistuta9]

2 minutes ago, Robbies Tackle said:

Allan Campbell not getting a game at Luton.  Would be an outstanding signing. 

Wanted him at Hearts since his debut season with Motherwell. Could just tell he was going to be a player and assumed he would do much better than Luton.

 

Maybe agent Snodgrass could make a few calls...  

 

[Batistuta9]

2 minutes ago, Sooks said:

Would like him . Whats the story with Fuchs at Peterborough? I had a look a few months back and he had hardly played . Is he injured ? He is another I would like us to sign 

Not getting a look in under their new manager. Hasn't even made the matchday squad some games. 

 

[Star Lizard]

1 minute ago, Batistuta87 said:

Not getting a look in under their new manager. Hasn't even made the matchday squad some games. 

 

Madness he is a good player , seen it with my own eyes . I would take him at Tynie 

[Naisys Tackle]

9 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said:

Wanted him at Hearts since his debut season with Motherwell. Could just tell he was going to be a player and assumed he would do much better than Luton.

 

Maybe agent Snodgrass could make a few calls...  

 

100%.  To be fair Luton are brilliant this season (and last).

 

10 minutes ago, Sooks said:

Would like him . Whats the story with Fuchs at Peterborough? I had a look a few months back and he had hardly played . Is he injured ? He is another I would like us to sign 

Not getting his game mate, agree though he would be a brilliant signing based on how he was in Dundee. 

[Star Lizard]

7 minutes ago, Robbies Tackle said:

100%.  To be fair Luton are brilliant this season (and last).

 

Not getting his game mate, agree though he would be a brilliant signing based on how he was in Dundee. 

I remember playing Dundee United with Beni and Devlin in the middle and thinking that if we did not have those two then Fuchs is one I would like to see in there for us 

[Naisys Tackle]

3 minutes ago, Sooks said:

I remember playing Dundee United with Beni and Devlin in the middle and thinking that if we did not have those two then Fuchs is one I would like to see in there for us 

Yeah me too oddly enough.   

[Star Lizard]

Just now, Robbies Tackle said:

Yeah me too oddly enough.   

Probably the same game 😄 

[Star Lizard]

Back on Campbell , can he not play a number of positions ? Midfield and defence ? Or am I making that up

[Cruyff]

1 hour ago, Chimp said:

Surely only a matter of time before other top European leagues start sniffing about our players too. The fee Bologna received for Hickey and Juve/Milan's interest in Ferguson and Doig won't be going unnoticed. 

Forgot about Ferguson. 👍

27 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

Yup we have plenty boys with the raw talent, always have.  We've always more or less held our own at youth levels.  It's the transition from 17/18 to full grown up pro we stuggle at in Scotland.  Basically once the dinosaurs at the top of our game start effecting things!  So no reserves/u23s, small leagues with splits and 4 games against eachother, a lack of finance in the top league meaning professional facilities are poor, frankly the lack of true professionalism where diet and conditioning is still miles behind.

 

If teams can cherry pick the top 17/18 yearolds like I duno Ramsey, Doak, these lads, they could be on to very low risk high rewards recruitment.  So teams need to do like Aberdeen did with Ramsey and to an extent Rangers with Patterson and give them game time to up the value but then for a lot of teams, the reasons above could make this tricky.

It's getting better. We're producing more talent now than we have in years. Ramsey, Doak and Patterson will certainly prove their worth. 

 

Any young player at youth level now should take note and know that moving at 15/16 to the EPL reserves isn't the best route to top level football anymore. Too many young players have been blinded by agents and big bucks down South. 

[Cruyff]

2 minutes ago, Sooks said:

Back on Campbell , can he not play a number of positions ? Midfield and defence ? Or am I making that up

Allan Campbell? He's a Cammy Devlin type, better than Devlin though imo. 

[Naisys Tackle]

4 minutes ago, Sooks said:

Back on Campbell , can he not play a number of positions ? Midfield and defence ? Or am I making that up

Cant recall him playing anywhere else apart from midfield.  Don't be giving Roberto ideas now  

[Pasquale for King]

39 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

Yup we have plenty boys with the raw talent, always have.  We've always more or less held our own at youth levels.  It's the transition from 17/18 to full grown up pro we stuggle at in Scotland.  Basically once the dinosaurs at the top of our game start effecting things!  So no reserves/u23s, small leagues with splits and 4 games against eachother, a lack of finance in the top league meaning professional facilities are poor, frankly the lack of true professionalism where diet and conditioning is still miles behind.

 

If teams can cherry pick the top 17/18 yearolds like I duno Ramsey, Doak, these lads, they could be on to very low risk high rewards recruitment.  So teams need to do like Aberdeen did with Ramsey and to an extent Rangers with Patterson and give them game time to up the value but then for a lot of teams, the reasons above could make this tricky.

Spot on, good to see the club looking for a nutritionist a few weeks back too as bad diet can be a major contributor to injuries, according to experts.

[Pasquale for King]

1 minute ago, Robbies Tackle said:

Cant recall him playing anywhere else apart from midfield.  Don't be giving Roberto ideas now  

New RWB 

[Chimp]

5 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

Allan Campbell? He's a Cammy Devlin type, better than Devlin though imo. 

 

Yep I'd agree he's definitely better than Devlin. If we could afford him and he was available I'd love to have him here.

[Naisys Tackle]

2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

New RWB 

 

[Pasquale for King]

31 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said:

Not getting a look in under their new manager. Hasn't even made the matchday squad some games. 

 

Has another year on his deal but you would think they wouldn’t be hard to deal with. 

[neilnunb]

Seems strange Campbell isn't getting a start. He seemed to be one of their best players.

 

Aren't they on weird contracts down at Luton (one year rolling or something?)

 

Shame we didn't nab him before he went to Luton though as doubt he'll move back up here for a good while now.

[Cruyff]

2 minutes ago, Chimp said:

 

Yep I'd agree he's definitely better than Devlin. If we could afford him and he was available I'd love to have him here.

We tried to get him when he was out of contract at Motherwell but he chose Luton. 

[Chimp]

Just now, Cruyff said:

We tried to get him when he was out of contract at Motherwell but he chose Luton. 

Wasn't aware we were after him I can't remember seeing that. Glad to hear that though as I'm sure we'll be in for him again if he wants away. Definitely would improve us

[Cruyff]

Just now, Chimp said:

Wasn't aware we were after him I can't remember seeing that. Glad to hear that though as I'm sure we'll be in for him again if he wants away. Definitely would improve us

Would love him here. He's a cracking player. 

[Tom Hardy’s Dug]

54 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

Yup we have plenty boys with the raw talent, always have.  We've always more or less held our own at youth levels.  It's the transition from 17/18 to full grown up pro we stuggle at in Scotland.  Basically once the dinosaurs at the top of our game start effecting things!  So no reserves/u23s, small leagues with splits and 4 games against eachother, a lack of finance in the top league meaning professional facilities are poor, frankly the lack of true professionalism where diet and conditioning is still miles behind.

 

If teams can cherry pick the top 17/18 yearolds like I duno Ramsey, Doak, these lads, they could be on to very low risk high rewards recruitment.  So teams need to do like Aberdeen did with Ramsey and to an extent Rangers with Patterson and give them game time to up the value but then for a lot of teams, the reasons above could make this tricky.

Agree entirely - at under 21 level and at a higher percentage between 16 and 19, a lot of our better youngsters are just as good as their peers in bigger leagues.

 

It goes wrong at this stage for a number of reasons but primarily the set up within Scotland.

 

All clubs in the SPL will either fight for the league, Europe, or avoiding relegation/play off from the start of each season. With only 12 teams in the top league the margin of error is far too narrow. Youth players get marginalised into emergency plays only.

 

Even promising youngsters included within squads simply don’t get the proper athletic development in their physique.

 

Scotland seems only to have two types of players that are focussed on: Tall big lumps who kick shit out of people. Wiry skeletal guys that have some tricks. Neither take our game forward. 

[Star Lizard]

22 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

Allan Campbell? He's a Cammy Devlin type, better than Devlin though imo. 

 

20 minutes ago, Robbies Tackle said:

Cant recall him playing anywhere else apart from midfield.  Don't be giving Roberto ideas now  

Just my imagination then . For some reason I thought he had also filled in at the back a few times 

[Cruyff]

1 hour ago, Sooks said:

 

Just my imagination then . For some reason I thought he had also filled in at the back a few times 

[Star Lizard]

55 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

 

Get him signed !

 

[Batistuta9]

3 hours ago, Cruyff said:

Allan Campbell? He's a Cammy Devlin type, better than Devlin though imo. 

Think he's better on the ball but not quite as good on the press and not as much of a headcase. Cammy is the best in the league at pressing and hassling players, and also at winding them up and getting in their heads, IMO. Campbell is still a right tenacious wee ****er though. 

 

Edited March 1, 2023 by Batistuta87

[johnking123]

Allan Campbell and Devlin in midfield would be a nightmare for other teams. High energy in the engine room is what we need for a 343.

[Rods]

Did we not try to get Campbell before he plumped for Luton?

 

 

 

[jamboinglasgow]

7 hours ago, TheBigO said:

Yup we have plenty boys with the raw talent, always have.  We've always more or less held our own at youth levels.  It's the transition from 17/18 to full grown up pro we stuggle at in Scotland.  Basically once the dinosaurs at the top of our game start effecting things!  So no reserves/u23s, small leagues with splits and 4 games against eachother, a lack of finance in the top league meaning professional facilities are poor, frankly the lack of true professionalism where diet and conditioning is still miles behind.

 

If teams can cherry pick the top 17/18 yearolds like I duno Ramsey, Doak, these lads, they could be on to very low risk high rewards recruitment.  So teams need to do like Aberdeen did with Ramsey and to an extent Rangers with Patterson and give them game time to up the value but then for a lot of teams, the reasons above could make this tricky.

 

Funnily enough was thinking this too. There can be rewards for playing youngsters earlier rather than putting off and off, as game time means they get noticed more and may put off them moving aged 16 down south if they know they will get games. Play 50 games by the age of 19 and you could get picked up by an Italian club who wants you to play in Serie A (instead of a Premier League club who will punt you on loan down the leagues before releasing you aged 23 having stalled your career.)

 

I would imagine with Scottish players doing well in Italy, then it will make other countries interested in Scottish football as a bargain (which in turns starts to push prices up.)

[jambotony]

On 28/02/2023 at 21:37, Lord Beni of Gorgie said:

See Bologna interested in Max Johnston, kind of player if we are looking at SPFL market we would have to be gambling on sooner

I recall hearing he was at Hearts as a youngster and we let him go. He is also the son of Hearts legend Allan ( Magic ) Johnston 

[andrew]

12 hours ago, Rods said:

Did we not try to get Campbell before he plumped for Luton?

 

 

 

Because they offered him 2 or 3 times the wage we could offer.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see John Fleck here in the summer with Kio being moved on.

[pettigrewsstylist]

19 hours ago, TheBigO said:

Yup we have plenty boys with the raw talent, always have.  We've always more or less held our own at youth levels.  It's the transition from 17/18 to full grown up pro we stuggle at in Scotland.  Basically once the dinosaurs at the top of our game start effecting things!  So no reserves/u23s, small leagues with splits and 4 games against eachother, a lack of finance in the top league meaning professional facilities are poor, frankly the lack of true professionalism where diet and conditioning is still miles behind.

 

If teams can cherry pick the top 17/18 yearolds like I duno Ramsey, Doak, these lads, they could be on to very low risk high rewards recruitment.  So teams need to do like Aberdeen did with Ramsey and to an extent Rangers with Patterson and give them game time to up the value but then for a lot of teams, the reasons above could make this tricky.

Agree with all of this The smaller league does not encourage this though IMO. Your league position can change dramatically with just a couple of losses. Need a bigger top division. 

[Batistuta9]

13 hours ago, johnking123 said:

Allan Campbell and Devlin in midfield would be a nightmare for other teams. High energy in the engine room is what we need for a 343.

This is true actually. Any pairing from Devlin/Beni/Campbell would be pretty awesome. Would love it if we were to sign him. 

 

 

[Chimp]

4 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said:

This is true actually. Any pairing from Devlin/Beni/Campbell would be pretty awesome. Would love it if we were to sign him. 

 

 

 

Great depth if we had those 3. However if it would have to be Beni and Campbell starting if we did. Those in 2 are superior to Devlin. Every one of them tenacious but the former are better footballers and far more technical with more in their locker.

 

All of this is hypothetical of course, as much as Campbell would be a superb signing I'm not sure we'd be able to get him if he did become available. I'm sure he'd have plenty of interest in England with teams able to offer a lot higher wages than us. 

[Batistuta9]

45 minutes ago, Chimp said:

 

Great depth if we had those 3. However if it would have to be Beni and Campbell starting if we did. Those in 2 are superior to Devlin. Every one of them tenacious but the former are better footballers and far more technical with more in their locker.

 

All of this is hypothetical of course, as much as Campbell would be a superb signing I'm not sure we'd be able to get him if he did become available. I'm sure he'd have plenty of interest in England with teams able to offer a lot higher wages than us. 

 

Aye just depends if other clubs go in for him knowing that Luton have obviously decided that he's not good enough for them. If he's looking at lower end of the Championship or into L1 as his next move (although outside of the top 3-4 the Championship is quite evenly matched throughout) then we could definitely compete. Would take comments saying they offered 2-3 times what we did with a pinch of salt. We'll probably have gone up to £5-7k pw and Luton are probably paying him about 8-10 which is around the kind of money their top earners will be on. If he's taking a step down from that sort of money then it puts him firmly back in our sights.

 

Edited March 2, 2023 by Batistuta87

[Chimp]

35 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said:

 

Aye just depends if other clubs go in for him knowing that Luton have obviously decided that he's not good enough for them. If he's looking at lower end of the Championship or into L1 as his next move (although outside of the top 3-4 the Championship is quite evenly matched throughout) then we could definitely compete. Would take comments saying they offered 2-3 times what we did with a pinch of salt. We'll probably have gone up to £5-7k pw and Luton are probably paying him about 8-10 which is around the kind of money their top earners will be on. If he's taking a step down from that sort of money then it puts him firmly back in our sights.

 

 

Fair comment. Definitely the calibre of player we should be looking at these days.

[johnking123]

Think we would have to make Campbell our highest paid player. Will be on a good wage.

[Penrices left boot]

3 hours ago, Batistuta87 said:

This is true actually. Any pairing from Devlin/Beni/Campbell would be pretty awesome. Would love it if we were to sign him. 

 

 

 

 

Be quality.